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:00:00. > :00:21.And before 11 o'clock, Meet The Author with Rose Tremain.

:00:22. > :00:27.Welcome to our look at what is going to be in the papers tomorrow. With

:00:28. > :00:32.me, the political commentator Lance Price, and the columnist Tony Green.

:00:33. > :00:36.That's why you through the front pages we have them at the moment.

:00:37. > :00:39.The Daily Telegraph leading on Britain accusing Bush of being

:00:40. > :00:47.guilty of war crimes with its bombing in Syria. The Times claims

:00:48. > :00:53.that bombing includes the use of napalm by the Russian-backed Syrian

:00:54. > :00:56.government. Metro focuses on the Labour Shadow Chancellor John

:00:57. > :01:00.McDonnell's refusal to apologise after saying that former

:01:01. > :01:12.Conservative disabilities minister estimate -- Esther McVey should be

:01:13. > :01:17.lynched. In the i, allegations that Theresa May failed to properly back

:01:18. > :01:21.the Remain campaign. The decision to leave the EU is also dominating the

:01:22. > :01:24.Financial Times, reporting fears in the City of London that the

:01:25. > :01:28.Government is leaning towards a so-called hard Brexit rather than a

:01:29. > :01:35.soft Brexit, which it says would damage business confidence. The Sun

:01:36. > :01:38.splashes on its exclusive interview with England footballer Jamie Vardy

:01:39. > :01:43.and his room or over racially abusing a student. And Prince George

:01:44. > :01:53.and Princess Charlotte adorn the front page of the Daily Mail. So,

:01:54. > :01:59.let's kick off. Lance Price, we've got these accusations still rumbling

:02:00. > :02:02.on about Theresa May being delivered, a series of accusations

:02:03. > :02:07.from people close to David Cameron and a reply now from people close to

:02:08. > :02:11.Theresa May - a war of words within the Tory party? It is an

:02:12. > :02:15.extraordinary battle which is being fought out so soon after Theresa May

:02:16. > :02:20.taking over, between her and friends of her predecessor David Cameron.

:02:21. > :02:28.Sparked off by a book by his former director of communications, now Sir

:02:29. > :02:31.Craig Oliver, which set the cat amongst the pigeons by suggesting

:02:32. > :02:35.that Theresa May was not perhaps batting for Brexit as much as she

:02:36. > :02:38.should have been, and as much as David Cameron wanted her to be. But

:02:39. > :02:43.now we have got an argument over how strong she was on controls on

:02:44. > :02:48.migration. Downing Street itself, or friends of the new pram minister,

:02:49. > :02:54.actually issuing memos pointing out that she was arguing for much

:02:55. > :02:59.stronger rules on migration than David Cameron's not saying that she

:03:00. > :03:04.was. So, David Cameron's friends trying to protect his legacy, trying

:03:05. > :03:07.to share some of the blame for the Brexit defeat. And Theresa May of

:03:08. > :03:12.course is absolutely determined that her image as an incoming Prime

:03:13. > :03:20.Minister is not going to be painted by others, and certainly not by her

:03:21. > :03:25.predecessor. So,, Tony, no love lost, it seems? Absolutely and why

:03:26. > :03:29.would there be? We talk about her being Prime Minister, but actually

:03:30. > :03:33.she is not in a strong position if you think about it. She's got a

:03:34. > :03:37.working majority of 16, she's got dozens of MPs whom she sacked who

:03:38. > :03:41.were very loyal to David Cameron and the manifesto of 2015 which did not

:03:42. > :03:47.mention for example grammar schools. She's just announced to the party

:03:48. > :03:51.about the grammar schools. I should also mention the other book, written

:03:52. > :03:55.by my Sunday Times colleague, Tim Shipman, which has caused the most

:03:56. > :03:58.anger, because it alleges that when David Cameron was putting together

:03:59. > :04:01.his negotiation strategy with the European Union ahead of the

:04:02. > :04:06.referendum, but actually it was Theresa May and others who said,

:04:07. > :04:10.don't ask for controls on migration, and that's actually much more

:04:11. > :04:13.damaging, means that Theresa May's attempts to present herself as a

:04:14. > :04:18.strong negotiator with Europe have been trashed. That's one reason why

:04:19. > :04:22.Downing Street have reacted so strongly. Actually what they've done

:04:23. > :04:25.is to produce memos sent between Theresa May and David Cameron from

:04:26. > :04:29.the time, to prove the point that she has been tough on this issue.

:04:30. > :04:33.But she faces enemies everywhere she looks. Talking about her negotiating

:04:34. > :04:37.stand, the Financial Times have got this story about what kind of Brexit

:04:38. > :04:41.it will be, which we still don't really know. Will it be hard or

:04:42. > :04:46.soft, a bit like how you like your boiled eggs? DFT saying that the

:04:47. > :04:51.City fears that No 10 is shifting towards a hard Brexit? The problem

:04:52. > :04:55.of course which everybody has is that no-one knows where No 10 is

:04:56. > :04:58.heading, because perhaps quite rightly, she may not have any

:04:59. > :05:07.choice, that Theresa May is keeping her cards close to her chest on

:05:08. > :05:10.this. The fear is that the strong Brexiteers she has put in place,

:05:11. > :05:15.including the Foreign Secretary, Liam Fox, David Davis, they

:05:16. > :05:21.recognise that there isn't a third way. Either you're going to leave

:05:22. > :05:25.the single market, and you're going to take everything that goes with

:05:26. > :05:30.that, and that probably involves leaving the customs union as well,

:05:31. > :05:33.that's hard Brexit, or you stay inside the single market and you're

:05:34. > :05:37.very close to the situation which we have at the moment, which would not

:05:38. > :05:42.be acceptable to the hard Brexiteers. And so she's caught in

:05:43. > :05:47.this cleft stick. Everyone is pushing her one way or the other.

:05:48. > :05:53.Weakness of her position is that she refuses to put any meat on the bone.

:05:54. > :05:58.Will it be her that decides, or will it be that trio of Brexiteers? It

:05:59. > :06:01.certainly will not be then, she will be making the decision, she chairs

:06:02. > :06:05.the committee which will make the final decisions. We may get some

:06:06. > :06:10.clarity this week. On Tuesday, Liam Fox, the Secretary of State for

:06:11. > :06:12.Health and national trade, will be making a speech at the World Trade

:06:13. > :06:17.Organisation. We are expecting him in that speech to talk about the

:06:18. > :06:21.fact that effectively, if the UK wants to do its own trade deals

:06:22. > :06:24.around the world, it will have to leave the customs union. I think

:06:25. > :06:28.there is a lot of nonsense spoken about the single market. There's a

:06:29. > :06:32.big fence between being a member and trading with the single market.

:06:33. > :06:35.China and the United States manage to trade with the European Union

:06:36. > :06:41.whilst not being involved with every single piece of regulation. Some as

:06:42. > :06:45.an lots of uncertainties ahead. But I think you're right, the third way

:06:46. > :06:50.was a good analogy. There isn't a third way. If we want to control

:06:51. > :06:53.immigration, we can't have access to the free market in the way that we

:06:54. > :06:56.have now. So the UK needs to decide what it once and how much it is

:06:57. > :07:00.going to get out of the European Union. But I think we need to start

:07:01. > :07:04.pivoting our thinking to the vast majority of the world's population

:07:05. > :07:08.that are not in the European Union, and the trading opportunities which

:07:09. > :07:11.could be out there for us IF these three ministers do their job

:07:12. > :07:16.properly. Let's go back to The Times, which has a top story saying

:07:17. > :07:22.that Russia is accused of a barbaric napalm attack on civilians in

:07:23. > :07:30.Aleppo. Saying that not only that, they have dropped not only napalm,

:07:31. > :07:36.but cluster bombs and bunker busting happens as well. It is an absolutely

:07:37. > :07:39.appalling situation in Aleppo. What is interesting to date is what the

:07:40. > :07:43.international community are trying to do about it. Really, they have no

:07:44. > :07:48.cards left. They have been trying to hold Russia and Syria to account at

:07:49. > :07:53.the United Nations, with some extraordinarily strong words.

:07:54. > :07:55.Britain's representative even walking out of a meeting when the

:07:56. > :08:04.Syrian foreign minister was about to speak. But with such an onslaught

:08:05. > :08:10.going on from the air, including these appalling bunker buster bombs,

:08:11. > :08:12.they have put hospitals and schools Underground, which are now being

:08:13. > :08:19.threatened by these penetrating bombs... It seems very unlikely that

:08:20. > :08:24.any talk of war crimes is going to stop that. They will push it as far

:08:25. > :08:27.as they possibly can. Let's go to the Guardian, Labour Party

:08:28. > :08:30.conference obviously in Liverpool, Jeremy Corbyn easily being

:08:31. > :08:33.re-elected to the leadership. The question of course, what happens

:08:34. > :08:41.next? Talk about wiping the slate clean and party unity, but the

:08:42. > :08:48.Guardian headline is, Corbyn foes refusing to be silenced. Can I say

:08:49. > :08:51.one thing, these rebels, which is actually three quarters of the

:08:52. > :08:54.Parliamentary party, have just failed to deliver on one of the most

:08:55. > :08:58.farcical leadership campaigns I've ever seen. We have some of on

:08:59. > :09:03.Corbyn, with the party presenting this awful candidate, Owen Smith,

:09:04. > :09:07.who appears to be some kind of gaffe machine. His pitch seems to be, I

:09:08. > :09:15.have exactly the same ideological principles of Jeremy Corbyn, but I

:09:16. > :09:19.am slightly more presentable, apart from all the gaffes that I do! They

:09:20. > :09:24.need to have a long think about what they're trying to do. Corbyn has

:09:25. > :09:28.trashed them. Lance, you are an expert on Labour Party internal

:09:29. > :09:31.politics, for your sins, what they can do? I identify I guessed with

:09:32. > :09:36.those moderates. My friends in the party are having to do some very,

:09:37. > :09:45.very hard thinking. With these two rallies today, Progress and Labour

:09:46. > :09:49.First, very well attended, spilling into the street. You saw people like

:09:50. > :09:52.Angela Eagle, Hilary Benn, making it pretty clear that they will stand

:09:53. > :09:59.and fight for their vision of what the Labour Party should be. I agree

:10:00. > :10:02.with Tony that it was an ignominious election campaign, it did nobody any

:10:03. > :10:06.favours at all, certainly not the Labour Party. But nor did it really

:10:07. > :10:11.resolve anything. Chiefly, will the party stick together? A lot of talk

:10:12. > :10:15.that it was going to split? If you split, or you do is help the Tories,

:10:16. > :10:19.and nobody wants to do that. We've got John McDonnell, the Shadow

:10:20. > :10:24.Chancellor, refusing to say sorry for suggesting, for talking in

:10:25. > :10:32.pretty dramatic terms about Esther McVey, the Conservative Party

:10:33. > :10:39.member, that she should be lynched. He would not go back on this? And

:10:40. > :10:43.that's a disgrace. Can I just remind you, I work with MPs every day.

:10:44. > :10:48.We've had an MP murdered in our constituency. Labour MPs coming

:10:49. > :10:53.under daily abuse and threats. I spoke to a Labour MP couple weeks

:10:54. > :10:55.ago who said angry, and told me, someone has just found up my

:10:56. > :10:59.constituency office and screamed abuse down the phone about how they

:11:00. > :11:04.were going to kill them. That's the toxicity in our politics. For this

:11:05. > :11:07.arrogant man, this IRA apologist, to say he will not apologise for

:11:08. > :11:13.comments which were ridiculous, lynching a female MP... And this is

:11:14. > :11:19.the problem for two Labour, where do you go from here? Says, sometimes

:11:20. > :11:23.you need to Express your anger. This man is the Shadow Chancellor, he

:11:24. > :11:26.needs to start showing that. And Jeremy Corbyn needs to make it

:11:27. > :11:31.absolutely clear, and he needs to slap down his one close friend in

:11:32. > :11:34.politics, John McDonnell. Was Jamie Corbyn does not go in for this kind

:11:35. > :11:38.of language and he doesn't set a different kind of example, and

:11:39. > :11:41.that's how he says he wants the Labour Party to conduct itself. I'm

:11:42. > :11:44.afraid John McDonnell is a very, very nasty piece of work, and his

:11:45. > :11:49.style of politics is incompatible with what Jeremy Corbyn says he

:11:50. > :11:53.wants, but doesn't take action to incest that everybody else does the

:11:54. > :12:00.same. Somebody else who uses colourful language, of course,

:12:01. > :12:04.across the Atlantic is Donald Trump. And there is the key TV debate

:12:05. > :12:07.tomorrow night, the first of three, which could be critical. Do you

:12:08. > :12:11.think this one will be critical? I don't know. We will see what

:12:12. > :12:14.happens. One thing to consider is that almost as much as three

:12:15. > :12:18.quarters of Americans may be tuning in at some point, so the first

:12:19. > :12:22.debate is really critical. It's critical for Hillary. The thing

:12:23. > :12:27.about Trump is, it's anti-politics. In the past, candidates would have

:12:28. > :12:31.spent weeks preparing, getting someone in to play their opponent,

:12:32. > :12:35.thinking about the questions - Trump does not do that, he's

:12:36. > :12:40.anti-politics, he will just turn up and answer questions. It's scary but

:12:41. > :12:48.refreshing. A lot of undecided voters still? There are some. The

:12:49. > :12:51.poles are showing that they are narrowing, so this could be crucial?

:12:52. > :12:55.It's crucial for Hillary Clinton. She's in that difficult position of

:12:56. > :12:59.being far and away the best qualified candidate to be president

:13:00. > :13:05.- I don't think any impartial observer could say otherwise - and

:13:06. > :13:09.yet he could go in and walk away with it. The barrier for success for

:13:10. > :13:13.him is incredibly low. All he has to do is not insult of the population

:13:14. > :13:18.of America during the course of the debate, and look vaguely as if he

:13:19. > :13:22.could be vaguely presidential, and people will say, this is a triumph.

:13:23. > :13:26.Will he be trying not to say something outrageous, do you think?

:13:27. > :13:30.Who knows? Tone is white, which Donald Trump will each be? His

:13:31. > :13:34.advisers will be hoping that he doesn't say anything outrageous,

:13:35. > :13:40.he's already said, I can say what I like. And that's what his supporters

:13:41. > :13:44.like. Yes. If he thinks that's his route do victory, he will carry on

:13:45. > :13:49.with it. That makes it very, very hard for Hillary Clinton to respond.

:13:50. > :13:52.Both of you, for the moment, thank you very much for being with us.

:13:53. > :13:58.They will both be back at half past 11 with another look at the stories

:13:59. > :14:06.making the news tomorrow. Coming up - it's Meet The Author.

:14:07. > :14:10.In the first sentence of Rose Tremain's novel,

:14:11. > :14:13.In the first sentence of Rose Tremain's novel

:14:14. > :14:17.The Gustav Sonata, we are told that Gustav loves his mother