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:00:13. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:16. > :00:19.With me are Michael Booker, Deputy Editor of The Express

:00:20. > :00:21.and Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor

:00:22. > :00:31.Thank you gentlemen for being here. Let's have a look first of all at

:00:32. > :00:32.all of the front pages. Before we get into the details.

:00:33. > :00:35.The Telegraph leads on the latest delay to the decision

:00:36. > :00:37.on whether to build a new runway at Heathrow.

:00:38. > :00:40.The FT reports on the jump in the value of the pound,

:00:41. > :00:42.as investors considered the possibility that

:00:43. > :00:49.MPs may have a vote on the final Brexit deal.

:00:50. > :00:51.The Metro reports on the murder of Elizabeth and Katie Edwards

:00:52. > :01:01.The Express leads on concerns that adult migrants are posing as child

:01:02. > :01:07.The Guardian says Cabinet ministers have been warned that the UK

:01:08. > :01:10.could suffer a sharp fall in GDP if it pulls out of

:01:11. > :01:19.The i leads on the rise in inflation.

:01:20. > :01:22.And the Times leads on accusations that Theresa May has 'fudged'

:01:23. > :01:35.More to come back as well. Gentlemen, let's begin. Michael you

:01:36. > :01:39.will kick as off on the front page of the FT. This is a little bit of a

:01:40. > :01:47.rally for the pound? We are getting the wind of possible fudges. The

:01:48. > :01:51.fears of a hard Brexit have been eased. There are twitchy types in

:01:52. > :01:55.the city at the moment, things are going up and down all the time for

:01:56. > :01:59.that you get the impression until we do actually achieve full Brexit, the

:02:00. > :02:03.FT are going to have headlines reflecting this up and down every

:02:04. > :02:06.time. This time this has come on the back of a lawyer for the government

:02:07. > :02:11.who has told the High Court there will be before a final deal in

:02:12. > :02:16.Brussels, there will be Parliamentary approval given. This,

:02:17. > :02:20.apparently, has given succour to those in the city that think we

:02:21. > :02:24.might not get a hard Brexit or may not get Brexit at all because there

:02:25. > :02:27.might be a vote against it. But any MP that does that, and any

:02:28. > :02:33.parliament that does that, there will be riots on the streets. At the

:02:34. > :02:37.moment the city are just enjoying... They are thinking, finally someone

:02:38. > :02:41.is saying nice things, soft Brexit and are taking some solace in this.

:02:42. > :02:47.But is it just putting it off? You get the impression it is. The

:02:48. > :02:49.crucial thing here is in fact the people who are participating in the

:02:50. > :02:57.court case arguing there should be a vote on triggering the Brexit

:02:58. > :03:00.protest, they argue this vote at the end which the government lawyer has

:03:01. > :03:04.suggested would happen to approve the treaty. If we strike a new deal

:03:05. > :03:08.with the EU there will be a treaty that sets that out. UK law requires

:03:09. > :03:12.parliament to consider that, that probably means a vote and that is

:03:13. > :03:16.what he said. The argument is having triggered Brexit through Article 50,

:03:17. > :03:21.Parliament, if it voted against, then we would just be out anyway

:03:22. > :03:27.without a treaty. So we couldn't fall back on things like the World

:03:28. > :03:31.Trade Organisation. The Remain camp are arguing this is an adequate. On

:03:32. > :03:35.the back of this, the city have suddenly thought, this is positive,

:03:36. > :03:39.it's not going to be as difficult as we thought, therefore the pound has

:03:40. > :03:45.fluctuated up a little bit. Just to add to the confusion, in the FT

:03:46. > :03:49.story here it says Goldman Sachs thinks the pound is still overvalued

:03:50. > :03:55.and should go down further. Another big financial institutional is

:03:56. > :03:58.saying the pound is now the other way round, undervalued and should be

:03:59. > :04:02.going up. These are the great experts and they don't really know!

:04:03. > :04:06.That's what we're seeing, lots of uncertainty. It seems ever seen the

:04:07. > :04:12.vote no one has a clue, particularly those in the city. The way they are

:04:13. > :04:15.reacting to every bit of news... And we had that Flash plunge of the

:04:16. > :04:19.pound the other week, which was done by a computer. This is what we're

:04:20. > :04:23.relying on at the moment in the city. You can see this is going to

:04:24. > :04:27.be happening time and again until something actually happens. This is

:04:28. > :04:32.where the Prime Minister is right, in fact if every cough in space is

:04:33. > :04:36.talked about... She said we don't want a running commentary on

:04:37. > :04:40.negotiation. Of course there should be scrutineering discussion, but on

:04:41. > :04:44.the other hand, people can overinterpret every little sign and

:04:45. > :04:48.then has this affect. Looking in terms of the FT themselves, they

:04:49. > :04:58.wanted to stay in. They campaigned to stay in that, so headlines like

:04:59. > :05:01.this, it's almost then mopping their own browser. If we are going to talk

:05:02. > :05:03.about every nuance that comes up, the Guardian has picked up this

:05:04. > :05:11.customs union issue, and how things might look if we pulled out of it.

:05:12. > :05:14.It's a little bit... It is a little what if. It's one of the

:05:15. > :05:19.possibilities and it goes into talking about less obtuse things,

:05:20. > :05:24.like if there was a new customs barrier, we'd need another car park

:05:25. > :05:28.at Dover. Because there is an proper space for the car parking delays

:05:29. > :05:35.that would be required to get through. The practicalities, isn't

:05:36. > :05:39.it? I'm quite sceptical. It is on papers drawn up before the vote and

:05:40. > :05:45.it's just a theoretical scenario, and it says here it could lead to

:05:46. > :05:48.4.5% fall in GDP by 2030. I would like to know precisely, we don't see

:05:49. > :05:52.this in the story, but this has a ring of being similar to the

:05:53. > :05:57.Treasury forecast, that we will be worse off, each household ?4300

:05:58. > :06:00.worse off. When you looked at it wasn't people would be worse off

:06:01. > :06:03.than today, but the increase in wealth was going to be less than it

:06:04. > :06:08.would otherwise have been if we stayed in. I wonder if that's still

:06:09. > :06:13.growth, still the country growing but theoretically not as much. The

:06:14. > :06:18.key thing to discover these reports came before the referendum. Why are

:06:19. > :06:25.they still looking at these outdated reports? The entire story seems to

:06:26. > :06:31.be repackaged... This idea that if we suddenly have to have customs

:06:32. > :06:35.checks, at our borders, the backlog of things that have to go through

:06:36. > :06:41.our extreme. Do think they pick on is the extra car parking spaces.

:06:42. > :06:46.There is some investment for car parking companies and tarmac. Glass

:06:47. > :06:48.half full. It is a legitimate concern on something the Prime

:06:49. > :06:53.Minister and government team will be dealing with, but it is a long way

:06:54. > :06:59.from happening. A teasing out a more minor issue. Let's stay with

:07:00. > :07:02.politics. The Daily Telegraph, they have got may delays Heathrow

:07:03. > :07:06.decision for you. We thought this couldn't take any longer to make a

:07:07. > :07:11.decision on new runways but we're still going. To be fair to Theresa

:07:12. > :07:15.May she has some huge things on her desk when she moved in. This is

:07:16. > :07:19.another one. What I like about this is it is full of vagaries. People

:07:20. > :07:24.say this is just kicking the can down the road and fudging but it is

:07:25. > :07:28.good political fudging. The fact she said she is going to give colleagues

:07:29. > :07:32.the freedom to voice opposition, but with a number of caveats. The

:07:33. > :07:37.caveats to me are fantastic. A number... You have to have

:07:38. > :07:41.previously voiced opinion on the matter, have constituencies close to

:07:42. > :07:47.the affected airports, banned from campaigning actively, can't publicly

:07:48. > :07:49.criticise the decision-making process and barred from speaking

:07:50. > :07:54.against the government's position in the Commons. You can say whatever

:07:55. > :07:59.you like... Had a nice little dinner party at your house. It's clever.

:08:00. > :08:03.It's going to put it off again until next winter, which is incredibly

:08:04. > :08:06.vague. We are going to hear the government position before the end

:08:07. > :08:11.of the month. The end of next week, I think. In a sense there is

:08:12. > :08:16.progress, albeit slow. I think these are almost Boris causes. Another

:08:17. > :08:19.cabinet minister with a London constituency who is opposed to

:08:20. > :08:24.Heathrow, which is what it looks like it's going to be. At the same

:08:25. > :08:27.time I suspect... There is a political desire to keep those

:08:28. > :08:31.people within the cabin and not force them into a corner, so they

:08:32. > :08:34.will allow them to voice their concerns, at the same time I suspect

:08:35. > :08:39.there is a degree to which the government wants to make sure they

:08:40. > :08:41.are, it sounds ridiculous, shown to be consulting properly, as if that

:08:42. > :08:44.hasn't been enough consideration. From a legal point of view, I think

:08:45. > :08:51.the government does need to be absolutely sure it shown every

:08:52. > :08:56.effort to consult and account of all opinions otherwise they will face

:08:57. > :09:00.legal battles, judicial review of the legal making process. We were

:09:01. > :09:03.saying earlier she did the same with Hinckley. Looking around at all the

:09:04. > :09:07.issues she's inherited and she has to do the same at this. Not start

:09:08. > :09:12.from scratch but given careful consideration. Michael, take us to

:09:13. > :09:16.the Daily Express, your paper, what is your lead story? In the last

:09:17. > :09:21.couple of days we have seen the child migrants who have been coming

:09:22. > :09:25.over from Calais as the jungle camp is dismantled. Most British people

:09:26. > :09:31.will be glad to trying help out kids coming over here who have got

:09:32. > :09:33.families here already. We've been told they are looking at the

:09:34. > :09:37.vulnerable children still over there. When some of the pictures

:09:38. > :09:42.came out in the last 24 hours or so, some Tory MPs, we had quite a lot of

:09:43. > :09:45.readers contacting us today saying, we are also vulnerable kids being

:09:46. > :09:49.brought over here when we see the pictures of kids blown up in Aleppo

:09:50. > :09:53.and things like that, orphans there, then we see some of the ones here

:09:54. > :09:57.and a lot of them do look a lot older. The Home Office say they have

:09:58. > :10:00.given as many checks as they can, but the anger here is at least

:10:01. > :10:04.checks. If they don't have any papers on them, which a lot of them

:10:05. > :10:09.don't in the camps, then it's just done on a visual look at these

:10:10. > :10:12.people. If their physical appearance or demeanour suggests to them they

:10:13. > :10:16.are definitely not over 18, then they have been allowed through. Some

:10:17. > :10:31.people are saying, particularly Tory MP David Davis, he is saying we are

:10:32. > :10:35.giving hospitality to hulking young men. He is going to the extremes,

:10:36. > :10:38.but I think... It is a thorny issue. We have a duty of care to a lot of

:10:39. > :10:41.these people, but if it is these people who are pretending to be

:10:42. > :10:43.children getting in, we have a problem because they're taking the

:10:44. > :10:45.place of honourable children. Is tricky. It is, a problem the Home

:10:46. > :10:47.Office has faced with people on the borderline between being children,

:10:48. > :10:51.16-17 and slightly older or a fair bit older than that. Having been in

:10:52. > :10:55.Afghanistan a few times, sometimes people there do look quite old when

:10:56. > :10:59.they are not very old. You discover sometimes they are not very clear

:11:00. > :11:04.themselves, to be frank, about when their birthday originally was. There

:11:05. > :11:08.is some confusion in this. Clearly there are a lot of honourable people

:11:09. > :11:11.there. It's good that we're taking at least some of them, some people

:11:12. > :11:15.are saying we're not doing enough and there is still this ongoing

:11:16. > :11:18.problem of what will happen to the people who are not automatically

:11:19. > :11:22.entitled to come here, have no family connections here, who are in

:11:23. > :11:27.the Calais camp and what will happen to them. That is an open question.

:11:28. > :11:31.The plan is now the jungle is being dismantled but there doesn't seem to

:11:32. > :11:39.be much of a follow-up plan? Not at the moment, they seem to disperse

:11:40. > :11:41.people and it's just luck. This has been an ongoing issue. There were

:11:42. > :11:46.some figures earlier on, for 2015 there was for asylum seekers here in

:11:47. > :11:50.many cases 571 age disputes about people claiming asylum. Out of them

:11:51. > :11:55.371 were found to be adults. There are people who have been trying to

:11:56. > :11:58.exploit this. Putting yourself in their position, if you have a chance

:11:59. > :12:02.of a new life, maybe you would lie as well. If it is taking the places

:12:03. > :12:06.of honourable children, it is a problem. Normally you would be

:12:07. > :12:10.entitled to asylum regardless of your age, if you met the criteria.

:12:11. > :12:14.The difference is how they are treated in this particular scheme,

:12:15. > :12:20.it's meant to be about children rather than adults. Martin, take us

:12:21. > :12:25.back to the FT. They have a picture of President Obama, changing tack

:12:26. > :12:29.completely going overseas, a large election coming up. Weighing in

:12:30. > :12:32.today is President Obama, who has a message to Donald Trump to stop

:12:33. > :12:36.whining. He has a message but I don't think it will get through.

:12:37. > :12:41.Telling him to stop whining because Donald Trump has been going round

:12:42. > :12:45.ever more vehemently insisting the election is ripped against him,

:12:46. > :12:48.everything is against him in effect, and creating his defence in advance

:12:49. > :12:54.of what's looking more likely to be a defeat by the day in the

:12:55. > :12:59.presidential poll when it comes. And so Obama saying exactly that, should

:13:00. > :13:02.be concentrating on fighting the election, trying to gather votes.

:13:03. > :13:05.Obviously he doesn't want him to get many votes, but he's telling him to

:13:06. > :13:10.do that rather than spend all his time with great conspiracy theory,

:13:11. > :13:14.which is simply that, I think. That could be explosive, at the end of

:13:15. > :13:19.the day. If he keeps saying this. If the Democrats... They look like

:13:20. > :13:23.there are increasingly confident, but if it gets to the point where he

:13:24. > :13:26.is still talking this rhetoric am election dates and he is still

:13:27. > :13:29.saying it's being raped, then you have people, is very angry people

:13:30. > :13:41.over bets, it could be a flash point. -- saying it's being rigged.

:13:42. > :13:45.We finish with the Telegraph, a story that will raise an eyebrow.

:13:46. > :13:50.Fashion eating this one, brushing teeth could prevent heart attacks.

:13:51. > :13:55.Wake your kids up and tell I will be brushing my teeth before I go to

:13:56. > :13:58.bed. The experts, the boffins in the States believe that brushing your

:13:59. > :14:04.teeth thoroughly, it brings down inflammation in the body, similar to

:14:05. > :14:07.what statins do. They say it is almost as effective as statins in

:14:08. > :14:10.bringing down inflammation, linked to a high prevalence of heart

:14:11. > :14:15.attacks. They've been able to do this with people pass by putting

:14:16. > :14:19.some special to space to show whether plaque is, you brush had

:14:20. > :14:24.out, get that off, your information goes down all through your body and

:14:25. > :14:28.less chance of a heart attack. A description of a tube of toothpaste

:14:29. > :14:32.blue incredible, the person that led this, and medical professor from

:14:33. > :14:37.Florida, apparently he's part of the team that worked out the benefits of

:14:38. > :14:43.aspirin. He is clearly a very serious... Player on information. He

:14:44. > :14:49.says exactly that, it's a very simple thing to do, could have a big

:14:50. > :14:54.impact and no side-effects... I consider we've done everyone a

:14:55. > :14:57.public service. Four minutes to 11, almost bedtime, go and get your

:14:58. > :15:02.toothbrush. My thanks to Michael Booker and Martin Bentham for coming

:15:03. > :15:03.to talk me through the papers this evening. That is all from us

:15:04. > :15:04.tonight. Don't forget all the front pages

:15:05. > :15:07.are online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review

:15:08. > :15:09.of the papers. It's all there for you -

:15:10. > :15:12.7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers, and you can see us there too,

:15:13. > :15:15.with each night's edition of The Papers being posted

:15:16. > :15:24.on the page shortly after we've Thank you once again to Martin and

:15:25. > :15:33.Michael foot of the weather coming up next.

:15:34. > :15:39.A day of sunny skies and clear air for many of you but for others

:15:40. > :15:41.dramatic skies and spectacular rainbows. Quite a few