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:00:14. > :00:17.to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow.

:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Tom Bergin, who's a business correspondent for Reuters,

:00:21. > :00:24.and the writer and journalist Lucy Cavendish.

:00:25. > :00:30.How lovely to see you both, thank you for coming in. Very autumnal! It

:00:31. > :00:33.has all been thought through! The Telegraph leads with the claim

:00:34. > :00:35.in an article written for the paper by the chair

:00:36. > :00:37.of the Airports Commission that the only viable option

:00:38. > :00:40.for airport expansion is Heathrow. The paper also claims that the

:00:41. > :00:42.arrival of lone child migrants is a Devon town

:00:43. > :00:44.is concerning residents. The Metro too devotes its front page

:00:45. > :00:47.to the migrant story, of what it calls the Calais

:00:48. > :00:50.migrant "shanty town". It says fires blazed

:00:51. > :00:54.as migrants and police clashed. The Guardian's take on the

:00:55. > :00:57.demolition of the Calais camp is to warn of the dangers

:00:58. > :01:02.to vulnerable child refugees. The paper also splashes on calls

:01:03. > :01:05.from Labour MPs to act set by Ched Evans being found

:01:06. > :01:18.not guilty in a rape retrial. Violence amid the closure of the

:01:19. > :01:20.Calais Campbell also dominates the Times' front page, it claims

:01:21. > :01:35.anarchists are staring up trouble. So let's start with Calais, on

:01:36. > :01:39.several of the front pages, as you would expect, as we approach this

:01:40. > :01:44.move tomorrow to close down and dismantled the camp that has become

:01:45. > :01:49.known as the Jungle. They say there are about 7000 people there, some

:01:50. > :01:54.argue it is more like 10,000. A picture here of police and migrants

:01:55. > :01:59.fighting running battles, it says, in Calais around this encampment on

:02:00. > :02:04.these of this enforced eviction. There is a British angle to this, up

:02:05. > :02:09.to 70 teenage migrants have been shipped to one rural town, Lucy,

:02:10. > :02:15.where is it? They have gone to great Torrington in Devon, and there is

:02:16. > :02:20.obviously some concern there, but also lots of people saying they are

:02:21. > :02:26.a very welcoming town and they are happy to have these teenagers there.

:02:27. > :02:31.And that it is a welcoming place for them to be. But it sort of reminds

:02:32. > :02:35.me of a story about families that have been sent up to the middle of

:02:36. > :02:38.Scotland, and they were complaining that they hated it because nothing

:02:39. > :02:43.happened! It will be interesting to see what happens. The pictures on

:02:44. > :02:49.the front pages of the papers are pretty shocking, and it looks

:02:50. > :02:54.horrible, what is actually going on there, so going to Great Torrington

:02:55. > :02:58.will probably be a massive relief. There is criticism of the French and

:02:59. > :03:02.British authorities, that they have not handled this particularly well,

:03:03. > :03:07.even though we have known for quite some time that these young children

:03:08. > :03:11.were going to be coming. Yes, I mean, I suppose like quite a lot of

:03:12. > :03:15.things they could be handled better, but for me, looking at this story on

:03:16. > :03:19.what really grabs me is the amount of attention we are giving to

:03:20. > :03:25.something where the numbers are not that great. For example, 70 people,

:03:26. > :03:29.children, teenagers coming to this area, it seems probably temporarily,

:03:30. > :03:33.they are not going to be in one area, although 70 in one area, it is

:03:34. > :03:37.hard to see how it would create a massive strain on local

:03:38. > :03:43.infrastructure. It is a small place, though. If you put this in the

:03:44. > :03:45.context of the broader problem of migration, and the issue of asylum,

:03:46. > :03:52.Germany received 1 million people last year. This full cap, even if it

:03:53. > :03:56.is 10,000, it is less than 1% of that. It is a strange basis on which

:03:57. > :04:04.to make policy decisions or develop a view of the broader issue of

:04:05. > :04:09.migration. And it feeds in, of course, to the broader perception

:04:10. > :04:13.that there is a pressing problem for us, and maybe it is not compared to

:04:14. > :04:18.what other European nations have to deal with. I think it is because it

:04:19. > :04:21.is the first people we have taken. There has been talk of taking a

:04:22. > :04:26.measly amount of people in terms of Syrian refugees, and very few have

:04:27. > :04:29.come. It is not something that has been talked about. This is the first

:04:30. > :04:33.set of people that have appeared, and obviously there is a hole who

:04:34. > :04:37.hard about weather they are children. I think people were

:04:38. > :04:40.expecting teary six-year-old appearing wrapped up in bundles, and

:04:41. > :04:49.of course it is a different story that has emerged. But what happens

:04:50. > :04:54.tomorrow is an issue, isn't it? The Times is talking about anarchists

:04:55. > :04:59.coming, the possibility of violence, and the people want to be there with

:05:00. > :05:05.a view to getting into the UK, many of them, and it looks like it could

:05:06. > :05:10.be violent. The Guardian says the Ayr for child refugees if the camp

:05:11. > :05:18.is not broken up, if there is not a proper register of children under

:05:19. > :05:22.18. -- fear. I think that is actually a proper fear, people are

:05:23. > :05:26.going to disappear, and they are not going to say where they have gone,

:05:27. > :05:31.and for a lot of people this will be a disaster, and there is no

:05:32. > :05:37.register, and that is what could happen, it is a real fear. If you

:05:38. > :05:43.have made your way to Calais, your intention was supposedly to end up

:05:44. > :05:47.on this side of the channel. Absolutely, and France is a big

:05:48. > :05:52.country, you could be hundreds of miles away from where you want to

:05:53. > :05:56.be. Maybe other camps will emerge in other areas that will be launching

:05:57. > :06:03.points to the UK. It may not solve the problem in the longer term,

:06:04. > :06:07.having quite a unsafe camp here, it may reappear somewhere else. You

:06:08. > :06:11.could imagine that it might do, because it was an organic thing in

:06:12. > :06:16.the first place - people chose that place to make it across. It may just

:06:17. > :06:22.appear somewhere else, and on it will go. Shall we move onto another

:06:23. > :06:28.story, still on the Guardian? We have to be careful is, of course, it

:06:29. > :06:33.is a legal issue, the case is now resolved. MPs call for legal change

:06:34. > :06:41.after Ched Evans' case. This is a fear that, when the sexual history

:06:42. > :06:45.of the complainant in this trial of Ched Evans, the footballer, of

:06:46. > :06:52.course he was found not guilty on retrial, could set a precedent that

:06:53. > :06:57.it will become open season for a woman's sexual history to be brought

:06:58. > :07:02.up. Who is taking this case, making this challenge? Well, 40 female

:07:03. > :07:06.Labour MPs are cited as having written to the Attorney General

:07:07. > :07:13.asking for a review of the law, doubtless others would support that,

:07:14. > :07:19.I assume it could be a broader group. It is an interesting case. We

:07:20. > :07:22.discussed it earlier, is it a precedent or not? Is it the first

:07:23. > :07:27.time it has happened? We don't know. But the fact that it has happened,

:07:28. > :07:31.it can happen, it is of deep concern to these MPs. And it does seem a

:07:32. > :07:35.little bit unusual. I remember having a conversation some years ago

:07:36. > :07:39.with a doctor who was being sued for malpractice, and the doctor told me

:07:40. > :07:44.that they believed that the claimant, that it was a fraudulent

:07:45. > :07:47.claim, and they believed that the basis that this person had made

:07:48. > :07:52.several claims before against other doctors. And they were not able to

:07:53. > :07:56.bring that history up. So the idea that you are allowed to bring

:07:57. > :08:02.somebody history up willy-nilly is not universal, so that in a brake

:08:03. > :08:05.case, being allowed to do that, bringing up someone's sexual

:08:06. > :08:11.history, it does not follow across other areas of law. The Lord did

:08:12. > :08:15.change to prevent the sexual history being brought up, but this was a

:08:16. > :08:20.very specific case, a very specific reason for it. -- the law.

:08:21. > :08:28.Barristers we spoke to when the case ended said, actually, it will not be

:08:29. > :08:39.subject to case law, to, law - it is a very specific issue that was part

:08:40. > :08:45.of this hearing. -- to will next the -- to common law. The message that

:08:46. > :08:49.is sent out, that women will take from this potentially, which is why

:08:50. > :08:58.the MPs are writing this, it is going to be very difficult to bring

:08:59. > :09:03.allegations of rape with a fear that your sexual history as a woman could

:09:04. > :09:09.be brought up and be cared in public. And I think that is a very

:09:10. > :09:13.dangerous thing to happen. And as they have said, you know, there is a

:09:14. > :09:17.social media thing that goes on, there could be a lot of bullying,

:09:18. > :09:22.all this sort of stuff. I think it is really important. Yes, because

:09:23. > :09:28.complainants and victims are entitled to anonymity, but in this

:09:29. > :09:32.case, this complainant was named on social media. Absolutely, and that

:09:33. > :09:36.makes a massive difference. You are saying this was a very special case,

:09:37. > :09:40.so specific to this case that it would never appear anywhere else -

:09:41. > :09:44.that is something that people get concerned about, because these

:09:45. > :09:50.one-off cases sometimes, you know, end up being replicated. It is hard

:09:51. > :09:56.to say it would not come up again. Let's look at the Times, a few

:09:57. > :10:00.stories here, what is happening in Iraq - Isis leave deadly booby-traps

:10:01. > :10:05.for advancing Iraqi troops. This is the offensive we have been learning

:10:06. > :10:12.about to retake the city of Mosul in Iraq from the Islamic State

:10:13. > :10:15.militants, and of course we know that they have popped up in other

:10:16. > :10:20.places to try to distract forces from what is happening in Mosul.

:10:21. > :10:25.Tell us what is happening as they leave the city behind. Well, it

:10:26. > :10:30.seems to be quite a horrific situation. Already, we have seen the

:10:31. > :10:35.Isis forces have set fire to a sulphur plant, and we can imagine

:10:36. > :10:39.what that is like, up to 1000 people have had to be treated for the

:10:40. > :10:44.abuse. There is talk about vast quantities of explosives being set

:10:45. > :10:53.up, booby-traps being rigged, trenches full of oil, the horrors

:10:54. > :10:56.that we have seen in the past that IS has set up on the population in

:10:57. > :11:01.the areas that it has occupied - we can only imagine what brutality as

:11:02. > :11:06.possible. So it looks like it could be a very difficult attack, they say

:11:07. > :11:11.it is going well for the Allied forces, but it is a difficult area.

:11:12. > :11:15.I was in Kurdistan a few years ago, before Isis, and even then most was

:11:16. > :11:22.perceived to be a place high volatility. -- Mosul. The population

:11:23. > :11:27.is quite hostile at the best of times to the central government, so,

:11:28. > :11:33.you know, the early signs are for the Western backed forces of

:11:34. > :11:38.advancement might not continue at the same pace. And the fear is, if

:11:39. > :11:41.they are pushed out of their strongholds, they could pop-up

:11:42. > :11:46.elsewhere - not just in the Middle East, Iraq and Syria but here. A

:11:47. > :11:50.really good piece in the Times, you do not see this with war reporting

:11:51. > :11:55.very much anymore, a very experienced reporter does say in

:11:56. > :11:59.this piece that, Rory Stewart is saying that one of the concerns is

:12:00. > :12:03.that militants will launch terrorist attacks here as they are pushed out.

:12:04. > :12:10.A very difficult and dangerous situation. We mentioned Moscow to

:12:11. > :12:15.Chris Hughes in the Mirror, he has been on the front line, some

:12:16. > :12:21.detailed reporting coming from him as well. -- we mentioned Mosul.

:12:22. > :12:25.Pointless treatments are costing the NHS ?2 billion a year, which

:12:26. > :12:30.treatments are these? Oh! I should not laugh about this, but I have so

:12:31. > :12:35.much experience of the sort of placebo thing, people going in and

:12:36. > :12:41.saying, I am ill, being given some kind of... Sugar pill. No, actual

:12:42. > :12:50.treatment... What sort of conditions? Go go crazy is, back

:12:51. > :12:56.pain, terminal cancer is awful, using saline solution, no difference

:12:57. > :13:01.between using that and tap water. -- raises. It is calling all this

:13:02. > :13:09.money, lots of plaster casts when people do not need them. It is a

:13:10. > :13:15.ethical thing... I think it makes the patient feel better, do you not

:13:16. > :13:20.know people like that? The antibiotics is a problem, lots of

:13:21. > :13:26.people have insisted they wanted when they have the common cold and

:13:27. > :13:31.we know it does not work. It is an interesting thing, why are we using

:13:32. > :13:36.saline solution? Because the patient feels better, much more

:13:37. > :13:45.professional, but actually you can use tap water to clean your cuts. I

:13:46. > :13:48.do a lot of reporting, I had a conversation with an NHS Direct are

:13:49. > :13:53.a couple of months ago, I said I would love to be doing investigative

:13:54. > :14:00.reporting on this kind of thing. -- an NHS director. In the US, you can

:14:01. > :14:05.get this data, you can see how much money is being wasted, and even

:14:06. > :14:07.where it is being wasted. They can find doctors in Florida who are

:14:08. > :14:13.doing vast quantities of fillings that do not need to be done. So we

:14:14. > :14:20.have the academy of Royal Court is to thank. This information should be

:14:21. > :14:24.available on the intranet. They do not seem to be keen to release this

:14:25. > :14:28.information that would allow someone like me to assess their efficiency,

:14:29. > :14:34.one wonders why they do not want to have that scrutiny! But it is partly

:14:35. > :14:40.our fault as patients? That we insist on stuff? We need to grow up

:14:41. > :14:43.a bit? Yes, I don't, because I am very hearty, and we don't do that

:14:44. > :14:53.Sword of State in my family! No, we just don't. -- we don't do that sort

:14:54. > :15:00.of stuff in my family. I want the least amount of medicine in my body!

:15:01. > :15:11.So do I! Aren't we good, saving all this money for the NHS?! We are back

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