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:00:18. > :00:23.But hello and a warm welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will

:00:24. > :00:28.be bringing us tomorrow morning. With me a ballast and broadcaster

:00:29. > :00:33.Sophie, and Robert Fox, the defence editor of the London Evening

:00:34. > :00:37.Standard. Good to have U2. We are going to talk to you and hear your

:00:38. > :00:41.views in just a moment, we are going to look at the front pages so you

:00:42. > :00:44.know what we're talking about as well. The Financial Times leads with

:00:45. > :00:52.the news of a fresh investigation of Hillary Clinton's news of a private

:00:53. > :00:56.e-mail server. The Times says the news has stunned America. The eyes

:00:57. > :01:00.says that Donald Trump has begun to reduce the lead in the polls of

:01:01. > :01:04.Hillary Clinton. The Daily Mail produces criticism of the poor

:01:05. > :01:08.quality for mobile phone users and express carries reaction to the

:01:09. > :01:16.former Prime Minister's Tony Blair called, to remain supporters to try

:01:17. > :01:23.to block Brexit. And the Guardian has talk about you but drivers.

:01:24. > :01:27.Roberts, let us begin with Hillary Clinton, and these e-mails, which it

:01:28. > :01:33.has emerged, actually come from electronic devices belonging either

:01:34. > :01:40.to Clinton aide Huma Abedin for her husband Anthony Wiener. To do with a

:01:41. > :01:44.sexting investigation being carried out entirely separately, but she has

:01:45. > :01:51.been dragged into it. Apparently they found, private e-mails on those

:01:52. > :01:54.particular servers, they came from the private Clinton server which is

:01:55. > :01:59.held in upstate New York and it is Notting Hill it Clinton's name, it

:02:00. > :02:04.is in Bill Clinton's name. Let us go further. I think as a British

:02:05. > :02:12.journalist I can say something that hasn't been said clearly enough, the

:02:13. > :02:15.timing of this is very odd indeed. We have been combing the New York

:02:16. > :02:22.Times that has been very heavy on this kind of thing. We have had

:02:23. > :02:27.people on, I mean get on, say it. I have been a journalist nearly 50

:02:28. > :02:34.years, to come out with this now, on the weekend before polling, you have

:02:35. > :02:38.to do it now because you will get wall-to-wall coverage. Meet the

:02:39. > :02:43.Press, the Twitter sphere has been going bonkers wholly to the benefit

:02:44. > :02:47.of Trump. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy but I think that the

:02:48. > :02:51.director of the FBI must explain itself. He has made this very

:02:52. > :03:00.cryptic Harry Potter remarked saying we have found these things but we

:03:01. > :03:02.cannot go into it. Then, John Podesta, the chairman of the

:03:03. > :03:09.campaign has said that there may be something in it or maybe not. I

:03:10. > :03:13.noticed in your headlines, you assumed they would be huge matters

:03:14. > :03:21.of national security and fold like the whole previous one like

:03:22. > :03:27.Benghazi. What is so surprising, for Komi and I wouldn't give him a

:03:28. > :03:33.further chance of employment, is that, I don't want to... Comey.

:03:34. > :03:38.There is a lot in what he has said which is pure in new window, anybody

:03:39. > :03:45.advising him, he must have political advisers. So you are tipping the

:03:46. > :03:50.hand to Trump, has the Trump camp has picked up? What do you make of

:03:51. > :03:54.it? Everybody is subject to the rule of law in America, the problem is

:03:55. > :03:58.not just the timing but the way it looks and smells. We can all smell,

:03:59. > :04:05.that Donald Trump should not be, would not be, elected, but if there

:04:06. > :04:10.is no one standing against him, my goodness me. This could be safe and

:04:11. > :04:13.nominal. We will never come across this in 200 years. What is proper

:04:14. > :04:18.and right and correct is that the organs of the state should be

:04:19. > :04:23.applicable to whoever, wherever, whatever, even the President-elect,

:04:24. > :04:31.but what could happen, and I mean what could happen if we have Hillary

:04:32. > :04:37.winning, we could have a president being investigated, impeached by her

:04:38. > :04:42.own Congress, and let us not forget, this has happened once to a Clinton,

:04:43. > :04:49.for issues of libido. It appears it may happen to another Clinton. I am

:04:50. > :04:54.so concerned about the way this looks, for other people. Looking to

:04:55. > :05:00.America to see how election should be run. And how democracy should be

:05:01. > :05:05.exercised. It doesn't look right, it doesn't smell right and it jars and

:05:06. > :05:09.feel right. Robert, do you say, I see that John Podesta has

:05:10. > :05:13.effectively said, put it all out and let the American people know.

:05:14. > :05:16.Because it is too critical. Is it possible that she will be able to

:05:17. > :05:45.close this down critically? No, no, probably not. What is coming

:05:46. > :05:48.across, I take your point. This is the executive branch and there is a

:05:49. > :05:50.bit of a smell of things, that the executive branch is acting

:05:51. > :05:53.partially. They have got to be very clear and he should have come out,

:05:54. > :05:55.this is what we have found and these are grounds for investigation. He

:05:56. > :05:58.has hinted that it is very serious but he has breached Podesta that it

:05:59. > :06:01.may not be so serious. But there is a serious point against Terry

:06:02. > :06:03.Clinton and that is that she is secretive and she is inept. For

:06:04. > :06:05.goodness say, they went through this and they have the same problem when

:06:06. > :06:08.coding Powell was Secretary of State. As one of her close staff

:06:09. > :06:11.said, she's not bury good and she doesn't even run her own desktop PC.

:06:12. > :06:14.That really is not even good enough today, and it is very, very worrying

:06:15. > :06:20.indeed. You have got somebody who may be in charge of the nuclear

:06:21. > :06:22.codes, nuclear arsenal, in charge of Armageddon waiting to happen and it

:06:23. > :06:28.may be on somebody else's blackberry. That is what the issue

:06:29. > :06:32.is. To take your point, in all my life time of the American elections

:06:33. > :06:37.that I can remember, there is only one word that comes to mind, this is

:06:38. > :06:45.by far and away the weirdest, that I have come across. And now active has

:06:46. > :06:50.been running, we have to get used to that -- the narrative has been

:06:51. > :06:54.running. Two such inept and inappropriate candidates would be

:06:55. > :07:00.hard to imagine. Maybe you get the politicians that you deserve, I

:07:01. > :07:05.don't know. We will find out in ten days or so. Let us move along to

:07:06. > :07:10.look at a couple of stories in the Guardian. The first one has big

:07:11. > :07:13.implications in the UK, you are a barrister by training, what do you

:07:14. > :07:22.make of this ruling by the employment tribunal, that it doesn't

:07:23. > :07:28.by, Uber's defence, that the drivers are agents, and it just is like a

:07:29. > :07:31.meeting point for them. You think the tribunal was right, and whether

:07:32. > :07:37.you think it is right or not, what are the invitations? I think the

:07:38. > :07:41.employment tribunal is right but I also don't think that the decision

:07:42. > :07:45.will stand, it will not stand for two regions. It is because it will

:07:46. > :07:50.affect the economy not just for today and not just for the next

:07:51. > :07:52.quarter but for the next five years. Notwithstanding the fact that now we

:07:53. > :07:57.are in a digital economy, the economy is not moving forward and

:07:58. > :08:02.moving in a traditional manner. Soak each digital year is actually a

:08:03. > :08:06.quarter. The invitations for this is that when the stock market opens

:08:07. > :08:14.tomorrow, you can just wait to see what will happen to these new

:08:15. > :08:19.unicorn type companies many of which have not been floated yet. It will

:08:20. > :08:25.undermine the very basis of our economy. Let us not just look at the

:08:26. > :08:28.other side of this, this new type of work has brought choice, dignity, it

:08:29. > :08:33.has brought hope for many people who want to work, who want this

:08:34. > :08:36.flexibility. You need this flexibility, due to the pressures of

:08:37. > :08:44.the economy and how we are all living. The number of times I have

:08:45. > :08:54.got into Uber cars and found retired people. But it is not just that, it

:08:55. > :08:58.is the whole idea that this small-scale entrepreneurship, we

:08:59. > :09:03.haven't seen this type of thing. Is Uber really this small-scale

:09:04. > :09:08.business? That is the whole idea. I think you are right, I think

:09:09. > :09:11.technically, and you are the lawyer, but probably the tribunal is right,

:09:12. > :09:20.like you I don't think it will lie there. Because it is so, there does

:09:21. > :09:26.seem to be something like King Canute here. We are talking about

:09:27. > :09:31.the economy, you pick up an app, you do something and then you put it

:09:32. > :09:35.down. That is the way it goes. But I do understand the government trying

:09:36. > :09:39.to enforce things like the minimum wage rights, welfare and so one. But

:09:40. > :09:45.coming out of the end of the employment machine, I realise I have

:09:46. > :09:53.been living a version of the economy for the last 1718 years. Why should

:09:54. > :09:59.it be any different, your employment status, just because somebody books

:10:00. > :10:05.you through an app, otherwise I'll be back in the days of the old

:10:06. > :10:10.Labour scheme, the stand-up at the gates and if they don't want to this

:10:11. > :10:14.and you. That is the whole idea, Britain has been at the forefront of

:10:15. > :10:17.legislation that sets the rights and responsibilities between employers

:10:18. > :10:21.and employees. For the matter is not just of health and safety but once

:10:22. > :10:26.you improve the conditions of the people, where and how they work,

:10:27. > :10:32.society has taken huge leaps forward. This judgment has put this

:10:33. > :10:35.whole idea, are we moving forward. Notwithstanding the whole issue, I

:10:36. > :10:41.pointed this out to a man, to my taxi driver, that once you are

:10:42. > :10:46.employed by Uber, you are going to have a lot more women thinking I'm

:10:47. > :10:49.going to get into my cab, try the round, the school run because I will

:10:50. > :10:56.get maternity leave for the first time. Should we have an economy that

:10:57. > :11:01.is based on employees rights, or employers responsibilities. And of

:11:02. > :11:09.course the big elephant in the room, is the tax word. Who is paying for

:11:10. > :11:13.our roads, who is paying for our schools and hospitals, should it be

:11:14. > :11:20.big, mammoth, lumbering corporations which is found now on every phone,

:11:21. > :11:27.you and I, her and him, do not have the rights, can't take a holiday.

:11:28. > :11:34.The Guardian, has a thing, saying Uber drivers triumph. Do you think

:11:35. > :11:41.they have triumphed? In 20 years' time, the question on every A-level

:11:42. > :11:44.will be, did the decision in 2016, fundamentally changes economy and I

:11:45. > :11:47.think it will because it will finally have that debate that we had

:11:48. > :11:52.in Parliament and on the street and now it is going to go down to the

:11:53. > :11:55.law. Is this going to be the new factory act, where we think we have

:11:56. > :12:04.got to deliver yet what people deserve from their employers and

:12:05. > :12:10.what they should give back. But nothing stays and this is a question

:12:11. > :12:15.of manoeuvre. You can bet that Amazon, Google, Uber will be

:12:16. > :12:19.manoeuvring around this. You are absolutely right, this is the

:12:20. > :12:24.beginning of another phase. Very interesting, let us move on to the

:12:25. > :12:28.other stories, there is a picture of Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton,

:12:29. > :12:33.turning into some of the not so secret weapons of Hillary Clinton.

:12:34. > :12:36.But there is this story about Isis potentially using civilians as human

:12:37. > :12:43.shields as it tries to retain control of Mosul? I find this story

:12:44. > :12:48.but will drink, I am not there, I have been in Mosul, two or three

:12:49. > :12:57.years ago, and more than that, but I know, that area a bit. I find Isis,

:12:58. > :13:03.has been seriously underestimated. Because it operates a similar

:13:04. > :13:07.different levels. Technically, as a gorilla -based military, it is

:13:08. > :13:12.terribly good, at this kind of thing. Yes it can sacrifice human

:13:13. > :13:18.life but they have built tunnels, they are using, we call them IED 's,

:13:19. > :13:21.booby traps, they say on industrial scale. They picked up all of the

:13:22. > :13:27.knowledge from Iran, there have been real advances and why we were

:13:28. > :13:30.kidding that within 40 days we could be in Mosul, that is the Alliance

:13:31. > :13:36.and its friends, it would all be over. Unfortunately it is so

:13:37. > :13:40.complicated, Isis can fight a sort of Alamo fight in Mosul if it wants

:13:41. > :13:44.to but it is already prepared to go out in the desert, it has done it

:13:45. > :13:50.before. The real worry about this is who occupies in the end. Either way,

:13:51. > :13:56.a different way but it is the same question over a lap over. Suppose

:13:57. > :14:00.you occupied eastern Aleppo, who is going to occupy it, and the Russians

:14:01. > :14:05.know, that is why they are having a pause at the moment that they will

:14:06. > :14:09.have two back the troops there. The argument is made by some people are

:14:10. > :14:16.frankly anything is better than Isis. Get Isis Haupt, that is the

:14:17. > :14:21.priority? That is far too simplistic, a linear argument

:14:22. > :14:24.because what seems to be going on in northern Iraq is fragmentation,

:14:25. > :14:28.atomisation and what we are witnessing is the atomisation of

:14:29. > :14:33.Sunni communities, even the tribal system seems to be breaking down and

:14:34. > :14:36.subdividing, which means you won't get a unified aura unitary Iraq.

:14:37. > :14:43.That will have a colossal impact throughout the Arab world. That is

:14:44. > :14:49.why, we see tough military regimes like Egypt, it will shake them as

:14:50. > :14:57.well, this is deep rock mating but -- Epoque making. The forces that

:14:58. > :15:02.are going in are trying to manage the narrative and they are not

:15:03. > :15:07.succeeding. But they are not succeeding and we know how cunning

:15:08. > :15:11.Isis and Isil and Daesh or whatever you call them harder at managing

:15:12. > :15:17.their own narrative. It ain't over and the idea that by plonking

:15:18. > :15:22.yourself in Mosul and in Raqqa it is all over, please forget it. It is

:15:23. > :15:29.very dangerous and very delicate and it will have ramifications. Do you

:15:30. > :15:32.want to say a word briefly on this? Two years ago I sat here and I said

:15:33. > :15:36.is that the worst thing about Isis is it will not be door-to-door

:15:37. > :15:42.fighting, it would be the Digital fight, they are in every home, their

:15:43. > :15:47.videos, are impregnating every boy 's bedroom. We see this, we know

:15:48. > :15:50.what is happening, the push and full of this community and

:15:51. > :15:54.notwithstanding that this issue, I'm aware that the European Parliament

:15:55. > :16:04.awarded some of the women that escaped this area, they awarded them

:16:05. > :16:07.a prize, to standing firm in their communities. What worries me about

:16:08. > :16:15.this is that this war will not just be for this generation, my children

:16:16. > :16:20.will be sucked into this because, we won't even talk about Yemen. The

:16:21. > :16:26.whole of the Middle East. 100 years after the settlement in 1916, has

:16:27. > :16:32.been ripped apart. Time for two more stories. Front of the FT, Nissan

:16:33. > :16:37.warned ministers that it would leave the EU without Brexit guarantees.

:16:38. > :16:42.Everybody has been desperate to find out exactly what was said but what

:16:43. > :16:46.is interesting is that, pretty much, Nissan said if we don't get

:16:47. > :16:52.guarantees, then we are moving our work to Spain and France. Their

:16:53. > :16:57.existing plants. It sounds like it was a pretty straightforward threat.

:16:58. > :17:02.Li when this news first came out, we had spokesmen speaking and

:17:03. > :17:07.reasoning, it was clear, there is a deal. If Mrs made us think a deal,

:17:08. > :17:14.certainly Nissan thinks there is a deal. Then be get me to, Talia at

:17:15. > :17:19.hand Honda and Ford and everybody else. And at the bottom of this,

:17:20. > :17:26.Nissan have spotted this, they want a tariff deal and access to the free

:17:27. > :17:34.market, and the European single market. And, the four freedoms and

:17:35. > :17:37.they will not get around it. One thing that is clear, it is like a

:17:38. > :17:47.very badly Bilyk -- badly built Lego. I think this

:17:48. > :17:51.will go on and on, it is going to be such fun for the mischievous, Tony

:17:52. > :17:57.Blair is right about this, there will be a general election probably

:17:58. > :18:04.earlier than we think. On the terms. For me, this reads as if this is a

:18:05. > :18:07.diktats by oligarchs and corporations and interests, it is

:18:08. > :18:12.the sort of thing that we were accusing Europe of Comet is now

:18:13. > :18:18.happening in our own back door. As a lawyer you would love to see small

:18:19. > :18:22.print? Let me finally move on to the Times, a lovely photograph on the

:18:23. > :18:28.front, Ed Balls and his dancing partner. Ed Balls in a vivid blue

:18:29. > :18:33.suit, there he is. Not his yellow suit, and on the inside, says the

:18:34. > :18:40.country has huge issues. He should be doing it with you. But, are you

:18:41. > :18:46.missing him as a politician, or is he a better media personality? Well

:18:47. > :18:51.he is speaking chapter and verse again about why Labour failed in its

:18:52. > :18:58.ambitions to win the last general election. He appeals back as it

:18:59. > :19:04.were. The whole infighting between the last Shadow Cabinet and the last

:19:05. > :19:08.administration, and what you can see, is, hey man reborn. If Ed Balls

:19:09. > :19:13.had shown this much personality and panache and wonderful pussyfooting

:19:14. > :19:18.manoeuvring at the time, he could have been Chancellor. But he is

:19:19. > :19:24.actually showing, the importance of two things, personality built

:19:25. > :19:30.politics can actually change how people see you. It is a good full to

:19:31. > :19:34.end on, thank you so much. We will have two move off, that is it for

:19:35. > :19:39.the papers, before you go, the front pages. The Mirror reports that ten

:19:40. > :19:43.terror plots by Stanek State have been foiled in the last see and the

:19:44. > :20:00.sun has a same story with the big photograph Cheryl Cole.

:20:01. > :20:04.Thanks for your company, high will be back with the news at the top of

:20:05. > :20:08.the hour.