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:00:14. > :00:16.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:17. > :00:21.With me are Claire Cohen, Deputy Women's Editor

:00:22. > :00:25.at The Daily Telegraph and Author and journalist, Matthew Green.

:00:26. > :00:31.The Times leads with plans by the European Parliament to offer

:00:32. > :00:36.Britons who would pay an annual fee EU citizenship after Brexit.

:00:37. > :00:40.The i highlights a Black Friday record spending, with British

:00:41. > :00:43.consumers shelling out ?8 billion to kickstart the Christmas season.

:00:44. > :00:47.The Daily Mail talks about Jaguar Land Rover planning

:00:48. > :00:51.to double their production in Britain, creating

:00:52. > :00:55.The Daily Telegraph leads with reports about a leaked memo

:00:56. > :00:58.suggesting that NHS hospitals have been told to outsource services

:00:59. > :01:14.Reports on accusations by Leave supporters that Remainers and EU

:01:15. > :01:18.lead, are plotting to leave Brexit. The Sun implies Darcey Bussell wants

:01:19. > :01:27.the former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls out of the competition. Has

:01:28. > :01:31.she no heart? ! Thirsty, that water's gone already! ? Let's begin

:01:32. > :01:34.with the Daily Mirror. This is an immensely harrowing story that of

:01:35. > :01:39.course has been building over the last couple of weeks. Here is the

:01:40. > :01:44.headline: Robbie Savage, I fear there are hundreds of victims. This

:01:45. > :01:47.is the child abuse scandal within certain football clubs and he could

:01:48. > :01:52.easily be right with that assessment, couldn't he? Yes. He

:01:53. > :01:55.says it could get a lot worse and we have four police forces now

:01:56. > :01:59.investigating these allegations of historical child sexual abuse.

:02:00. > :02:10.Hampshire, Cheshire, Northumbria and the Met now today.

:02:11. > :02:15.Andy Woodward spoke to Victoria Derbyshire on BBC News last week and

:02:16. > :02:19.since then more people have felt able to come forward. But it's so

:02:20. > :02:24.upsetting to hear their testimony isn't it?

:02:25. > :02:27.Yes, it's one of those great collective shadows really in our

:02:28. > :02:31.society that's gradually emerging and we have seen it come in

:02:32. > :02:36.different stages, whether it's been in the church, Catholic Church, some

:02:37. > :02:40.years back, the BBC with the Jimmy Savile scandal and now of course

:02:41. > :02:45.football. One wonders what other institutions could be implicated in

:02:46. > :02:48.the future. I think of course there could be hundreds more cases here

:02:49. > :02:52.but we shouldn't forget there may be many thousands or tens of thousands

:02:53. > :02:56.of people who've been subjected to this who've never been acknowledged.

:02:57. > :03:00.The only hope is that these revelations will finally allow us to

:03:01. > :03:03.kind of cut through that curtain of shame that surrounds this topic and

:03:04. > :03:12.actually bring this to light for some healing. This story is on a

:03:13. > :03:15.couple of other papers as well. Talk of some people being paid off. The

:03:16. > :03:19.Guardian talking about the fact that Crewe Alexandra knew there was a

:03:20. > :03:23.problem and seemed to take no action, so it begs the question

:03:24. > :03:28.about whether there should be some kind of compulsory referral? Oh, I'm

:03:29. > :03:34.sure that's what victims and anyone involved in this harrowing story

:03:35. > :03:37.will be arguing for. More people come forward and certainly not just

:03:38. > :03:41.in football, victims are now seeing that they are being believed and

:03:42. > :03:45.that they are actually can shake off the stigma and come forward. That'll

:03:46. > :03:49.hopefully butt in place or set in motion a number of safeguarding

:03:50. > :03:55.procedures to make this regulated in future. Safeguarding standards and

:03:56. > :03:59.criteria have changed in recent times and we are talking about abuse

:04:00. > :04:05.that, as awful as it was and these men are now coming forward in their

:04:06. > :04:08.30s and #40s to report it, it did take place some time ago when the

:04:09. > :04:13.checks and balances that we have now weren't in place? Yes but I also

:04:14. > :04:17.don't think we can afford to be complacent either and I think if

:04:18. > :04:20.anything good can come out of revelations it's having that debate

:04:21. > :04:24.again more vigorously than we have had it ever before to really figure

:04:25. > :04:28.out the systems and change the culture, just make sure that it's OK

:04:29. > :04:31.to raise these topics, to have these discussions when they need to be

:04:32. > :04:35.had. It isn't just football, we have seen it in swimming and things like

:04:36. > :04:38.that where parents and children need to know that somebody will take note

:04:39. > :04:44.if you come forward with a concern. Absolutely. They need to normalise

:04:45. > :04:48.the procedure for people to be able to raise the flag without fear,

:04:49. > :04:53.stigma, worry, that it will come back on them. Don't you think it's

:04:54. > :04:56.time that we heard from the FA on this? Yes, the Premier League are

:04:57. > :05:00.very concerned, they say, about the allegations that have been made. But

:05:01. > :05:05.yes, of course, it takes leadership doesn't it from the governing body?

:05:06. > :05:09.That's right. We have to have a conversation about how we can best

:05:10. > :05:14.support the victims. People who've suffered this kind of abuse have

:05:15. > :05:18.suffered trauma which leaves an imprint in the psyche and the whole

:05:19. > :05:22.mind-body system that lasts a lifetime. There are therapies now

:05:23. > :05:26.that can be hugely helpful and we need to think about how we can

:05:27. > :05:31.support people to really heal as far as they can from these wounds.

:05:32. > :05:37.A look at The Times, paid to stay in Europe. Britons can buy EU

:05:38. > :05:41.citizenship, well, we can't, it's a suggestion under a plan. Sounds like

:05:42. > :05:47.it's already happening but it isn't. What is this plan? It's only a plan

:05:48. > :05:51.and it's a plan that may never be implemented, but it's been floated

:05:52. > :05:55.before the European Parliament that has part of the Brexit negotiation,

:05:56. > :05:59.individual British citizens who want to live and work in Europe could pay

:06:00. > :06:04.some sort of annual charge to retain some of the rights that they

:06:05. > :06:08.currently enjoy while being a member of the EU, presumably free movement

:06:09. > :06:12.and the right to work anywhere and so forth. It doesn't say much you

:06:13. > :06:15.would have to pay for that and it should be stressed this is very much

:06:16. > :06:18.just at the planning stage and whether it will ever become a

:06:19. > :06:23.reality I think is anybody's guess. It might appeal to some, but there

:06:24. > :06:30.are some MPs who think it would create a two tier citizenship in

:06:31. > :06:34.this country, Claire? Yes, some say it would create two classes of UK

:06:35. > :06:40.citizens and subvert the referendum vote. It would change the nature of

:06:41. > :06:43.EU citizenship to do this and it would involve a treaty change by all

:06:44. > :06:49.accounts to do it. Most things do, don't they? Yes. For this to happen

:06:50. > :06:53.by the deadline is a bit pie-in-the-sky. Yes. We are going to

:06:54. > :06:57.be treated to so many of the incremental stories where some idea

:06:58. > :07:02.is floated then a Euro-sceptic Tory MP's wheeled out to shoot them down,

:07:03. > :07:06.but the cold, hard facts remain that we are going to be pressing the

:07:07. > :07:11.button on a two-year countdown and on current forecasts looking at a

:07:12. > :07:15.very hard Brexit indeed which is going to be extremely painful for

:07:16. > :07:21.Britain. I believe this associate member idea came about from an MEP

:07:22. > :07:25.from Luxembourg who said there would be an amendment, but to what I don't

:07:26. > :07:29.know, that would give the citizenship if you fancy it.

:07:30. > :07:36.Different to your UK citizenship presumably. And I don't know who'd

:07:37. > :07:42.confer it upon you. It doesn't seem to be very clear at the moment. Then

:07:43. > :07:50.we've had the Maltese Prime Minister who is the incoming new EU President

:07:51. > :07:53.in January. He's saying hold on a minute, the European Parliament

:07:54. > :07:58.might vote against the deal that you strike, so don't think it's going to

:07:59. > :08:02.be that straightforward from our point of view either?

:08:03. > :08:07.Straightforward and Brexit are not two words that belong in the same

:08:08. > :08:13.sentence. Before we even start talking about the 40 years of law

:08:14. > :08:16.that's grown up out of our membership and unpicking that with

:08:17. > :08:21.the great Repeal Bill and all the rest of it? Yes. One commentator

:08:22. > :08:26.said essentially Brexit needs to be rebooted, we need to start it again

:08:27. > :08:30.from scratch. Preferably just the side that perhaps will just have

:08:31. > :08:34.blue passports back, maybe imperial measures and call it a day there and

:08:35. > :08:41.carry on as before. That would be an ideal solution. Do you think? Yes.

:08:42. > :08:46.Hard Brexit, soft Brexit and rebooted Brexit too. Who knows!

:08:47. > :08:59.Here it is! We can't even move on that quickly. The Daily Mail,

:09:00. > :09:02.Jaguar's Brexit boost. Retail export figures up and Jaguar Land Rover

:09:03. > :09:10.plans 10,000 new jobs it says, what's not to like? ! This is a kind

:09:11. > :09:14.of case study isn't it of yet more dishonest reporting by the Daily

:09:15. > :09:19.Mail related to Brexit. Why is it dishonest? Because the story is

:09:20. > :09:25.saying Jaguar is planning 10,000 new jobs, what actually happened is that

:09:26. > :09:31.yesterday the CEO of Jaguar Land Rover said that the company may

:09:32. > :09:34.consider investing in the UK if the Government stumps up ?450 million of

:09:35. > :09:39.infrastructure investment to support them. That's a lot of money for a

:09:40. > :09:46.Government which is already facing a growing bill from Brexit. So to

:09:47. > :09:52.present this very speculative remark by the Jaguar CEO as some kind of

:09:53. > :09:57.Brexit boost is dishonest. Well, the BBC's been reporting as well that

:09:58. > :10:02.it's predicated upon infrastructure improvements. Which the Daily Mail

:10:03. > :10:09.makes no mention of. But since when have we gone to the Daily Mail to

:10:10. > :10:13.tell us facts act Brexit. We are seeing the residue presented by the

:10:14. > :10:17.guy's psyche, it's not a guide to reality. Everyone watching would

:10:18. > :10:22.agree with me I think. Hold on. Everyone? ! I'll wait for the

:10:23. > :10:27.Twitter feed. Steady! That is an exaggeration. A lot of people would

:10:28. > :10:33.agree. Some. I'll say some. But, they are right aren't they, you

:10:34. > :10:38.know, it's good news. No, they are not right, Martine. There is no

:10:39. > :10:43.boost and it's a purely speculative remark taken out of context and

:10:44. > :10:47.slapped on the front-page. Look at the other headline, there are bullet

:10:48. > :10:54.points that cub taken as good news. Treat us to those, lair? Exports

:10:55. > :11:01.rose by 0.7%, helped by the weaker pound we are told. This is a big

:11:02. > :11:08.one, the Bavarian economics minister called for a comprehensive trades

:11:09. > :11:12.meeting with Britain. It's post-facts reality. Isn't this

:11:13. > :11:16.though Jaguar doing a Nissan and saying we are happy to stay...

:11:17. > :11:20.Trying to cut a sweetheart deal which isn't disclosed to Parliament

:11:21. > :11:23.as some kind of under-the-table negotiation which every company will

:11:24. > :11:29.be queueing up for. Not a very seemly sight is it? Let's look at

:11:30. > :11:35.the Telegraph, NHS to use private firms to beat the winter crisis, a

:11:36. > :11:39.leaked memo? It is a leaked memo. Another winter crisis. We haven't

:11:40. > :11:47.heard that one before have we? ! We are told this winter crisis is worse

:11:48. > :11:56.than ever. It says we have the highest level occupancy of hospital

:11:57. > :12:00.beds in the run-up to winter ever. NHS hospitals have been ordered to

:12:01. > :12:08.turn over some surgery to the private sector, we are told. Hip and

:12:09. > :12:11.knee replacements outsourced to private firms. At some cost.

:12:12. > :12:19.Wouldn't people rather get the treatment? Yes. The NHS is currently

:12:20. > :12:26.half way through its most austere decade Since the end of World War

:12:27. > :12:37.II. It's not surprising we are heading into a critical winter for

:12:38. > :12:40.the NHS. The real issue is the Government's cut back so much on

:12:41. > :12:44.social care spending that the hospitals are full of people who are

:12:45. > :12:51.well enough to go home but there's nowhere for them to go to. Until we

:12:52. > :12:54.sort out this whole mess with paying and properly funding social care, we

:12:55. > :12:59.are going to see stories like this again and again? There's been talk

:13:00. > :13:05.about trying to merge social and health care but it's such a huge

:13:06. > :13:11.problem to tackle and expensive? It is. We are talking about the winter

:13:12. > :13:16.crisis, it seems as though the NHS is in perpetual winter, it's always

:13:17. > :13:22.Narnia. And no mention in the Autumn Statement a few days ago. The Health

:13:23. > :13:25.Service is running very hot and patients are obviously going to pay

:13:26. > :13:29.the price for that. We are going to need to have a proper national

:13:30. > :13:33.debate in the UK about what we expect as citizens from the Health

:13:34. > :13:37.Service, how much we are going to be prepared to pay for that. Until that

:13:38. > :13:40.happens, it's going to be tough to go for that fundamental reform you

:13:41. > :13:45.have been talking about. And how much we are happy to have the

:13:46. > :13:48.principles eroded or compromised. After Brexit though, everything's

:13:49. > :13:58.got to wait until after Brexit. Once we have paid off the extra billions

:13:59. > :14:04.of debt. Not all due to Brexit. I digress. Bosses' pay in the MP's

:14:05. > :14:09.sights where company bosses, private company bosses should have to

:14:10. > :14:13.operate to the same rules as public companies, is that right? Yes. A lot

:14:14. > :14:20.of people will be cheering about this one. A reigning in of the fat

:14:21. > :14:29.Cats. Bosses such as Phillip Green it says here, are going to be... No

:14:30. > :14:33.relation? No relation! Are going to be bound, their salaries will be

:14:34. > :14:41.bound, bound by corporate governance essentially. Sounds like a good idea

:14:42. > :14:44.doesn't it? It does. We saw what happened at BHS and the idea that

:14:45. > :14:50.company bosses who own private companies can be held to a lesser

:14:51. > :14:53.standard than those who run publicly listed corporations does seem wrong,

:14:54. > :14:56.seems like a step in the right direction. On the other hand, you've

:14:57. > :15:01.got to look at the bigger picture haven't you? Theresa May's come out

:15:02. > :15:04.on this more populist platform since the Tory conference but we've also

:15:05. > :15:07.seen decisions where Local Government's been rolled over in

:15:08. > :15:12.favour of corporate interest, for example in Lancashire there's been a

:15:13. > :15:14.huge upwelling of opposition to fracking but the Government's

:15:15. > :15:18.approved that very swiftly. So it's easy to make these rather cosmetic

:15:19. > :15:23.changes but the real challenge will be whether the Government stands up

:15:24. > :15:27.on behalf of local people in the face of the bigger corporate

:15:28. > :15:34.interests. Miles Wilkinson agrees with your man on the papers! Thank

:15:35. > :15:42.you, Miles. No surprise. No relation? ! You are telling me The

:15:43. > :15:48.Express is next. Going back to the Express. My favourite subject. I

:15:49. > :15:52.haven't got this in my paper, sorry. The voices in my head pointing me in

:15:53. > :15:57.another direction. I don't think we'll have time for all of this.

:15:58. > :16:03.Plot to sabotage a US exit, who, how? There is no plot to sabotage EU

:16:04. > :16:08.exit is there, it's something that is being negotiated in disgust. The

:16:09. > :16:14.Daily Express will scream something until people start to believe it's

:16:15. > :16:19.true. This is referring to the Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat

:16:20. > :16:22.who has said it might not be simple, the European Parliament might have

:16:23. > :16:26.something to say about it. That would frustrate things somewhat. It

:16:27. > :16:34.would but did we ever think it would be simple. It's like a pantomime.

:16:35. > :16:38.It's like, will they won't they. Are you doing a map cartoon now? My list

:16:39. > :16:52.doesn't show a fraction of these things. Keeping you on your toes.

:16:53. > :16:56.This is a ballot form saying Blair's referendum question. Are you very

:16:57. > :17:02.sorry you voted to leave the EU? One box says yes, I hate myself, the

:17:03. > :17:10.other box says, ask me again later. Discuss? I assume Matt is making the

:17:11. > :17:15.point that those of us who question the wisdom of leaving the EU

:17:16. > :17:21.certainly on hard Brexit terms, will just keep continuing to keep making

:17:22. > :17:26.this point again and again until eventually people start to agree

:17:27. > :17:30.with us. But yes, I mean, whether we want people to mate themselves for

:17:31. > :17:34.voting to leave is questionable -- hate themselves.

:17:35. > :17:40.It seems to imply to me that it's never over there,'s always another

:17:41. > :17:47.thing. Yes. We have drawn that story from the conclusions we have looked

:17:48. > :17:51.at tonight. It keeps us busy here. Ultimately, now it's bleak Friday,

:17:52. > :17:56.how the high street turned into a guest town. It would seem a lot of

:17:57. > :18:03.people weren't in a hurry to get out and buy a cut-priced deep fat frier

:18:04. > :18:08.like last year? If people weren't beating each other up at 5 o'clock

:18:09. > :18:13.this morning. The Male reports there were not queues outside shops in the

:18:14. > :18:18.wee hours but we are told we spent #137bedn the 2 billion online which

:18:19. > :18:24.would suggest the spending power on the Internet has lost none of its

:18:25. > :18:30.potency -- ?1.2 billion. I tried to buy a few things today, sold out,

:18:31. > :18:34.sold out. I bought this shirt and tie on Black Friday today. Was it a

:18:35. > :18:39.bargain? I hope the viewers at home are equally grateful. Of course they

:18:40. > :18:45.are. It was 20% discounted and I picked up two. My daughter who is

:18:46. > :18:51.only 12 told me today that every shop would have at least a 30%

:18:52. > :18:56.discount. No. We have to wait for Brexit to come before we get that.

:18:57. > :19:05.You were ripped off. You were, yes. Let's finish with a story that

:19:06. > :19:10.concerns me. Off with easy Ed. Darcey Bussell suggesting Ed Balls

:19:11. > :19:15.should leave the Strictly show. He's on three front-pages. He is. I know.

:19:16. > :19:19.Was he ever on three front-pages before, I don't know. Not even when

:19:20. > :19:24.he was in Government, probably not, I don't know. He's saying he's camp,

:19:25. > :19:30.he's got a spray tan and he's loving it but Darcey thinks it's time. Why?

:19:31. > :19:35.It's a bit to-faced isn't it Darcey I think. She says that the

:19:36. > :19:42.implication is that he's a novelty act and she wants to get back to

:19:43. > :19:46.serious dancing. What is wrong with novelty act on a Saturday night

:19:47. > :19:53.light entertainment night? Anne Widdecombe is quoted in the story.

:19:54. > :19:56.Which I love. Saying, the show's most successful multi-act. John

:19:57. > :20:03.Sergeant might have something to say about that! It would look good on

:20:04. > :20:08.your gravestone. Closely followed by John Sergeant who was described as a

:20:09. > :20:12.pig in Cuban heels, terribly unkind. It didn't matter, they kept him in

:20:13. > :20:18.for ages. We'll see, there is no plot apparently to get rid of him.

:20:19. > :20:23.He's great fun. We all loved Gangnam Style. We did! That's the papers.

:20:24. > :20:27.Front-pages online on the BBC News website where you can read the

:20:28. > :20:35.detailed review, there for you seven days a week. You can see us there

:20:36. > :20:39.too each night with the editions posted shortly after we are

:20:40. > :20:43.finished, posted on iPlayer too. Thank you Matthew and Claire. We

:20:44. > :20:47.appreciate you going to the extra trouble with your shirt and tie.

:20:48. > :20:48.Thank you very much. Coming up, the headlines shortly and the