21/12/2016

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:00:14. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Lucy Fisher, senior political correspondent

:00:21. > :00:25.for the Times, and commentator Henry Bonsu.

:00:26. > :00:27.Tomorrow's front pages: The Telegraph leads

:00:28. > :00:32.The paper says the prime suspect for the massacre was under covert

:00:33. > :00:34.surveillance for months as a possible terrorist,

:00:35. > :00:36.but police let him slip through their grasp

:00:37. > :00:43.Anis Amri stares from the front of the Metro.

:00:44. > :00:46.He is now said to be the most wanted man in Europe.

:00:47. > :00:49.The Times says the authorities suspected Amri of preparing

:00:50. > :00:51.a serious crime, endangering national safety, but red tape

:00:52. > :01:00.The i says the German authorities are under pressure after a series

:01:01. > :01:03.of blunders in their hunt for the killer.

:01:04. > :01:05.The FT pictures some of the suspect's different identities.

:01:06. > :01:09.Its main story is that the world's oldest bank is to be rescued

:01:10. > :01:15.The Guardian says Amri was known to multiple

:01:16. > :01:23.And the Sun has a pun on the Queen's cold.

:01:24. > :01:36.Throne a sickie... It is actually quite good, that one. It is actually

:01:37. > :01:39.quite good. But we are going to discuss it a little bit later on.

:01:40. > :01:45.The Berlin massacre suspect was watched for months, on the front

:01:46. > :01:50.page of the Times. We now know a hell of a lot about this guy. A lot

:01:51. > :01:54.coming through compared to what we discussed in the last hour. We found

:01:55. > :01:58.out he was put under surveillance in March earlier this year by German

:01:59. > :02:01.prosecutors, but they abandoned the surveillance after about six months

:02:02. > :02:08.because they decided that although they found out that he planned to

:02:09. > :02:12.break in, taking money for automatic weapons to do one of those roving

:02:13. > :02:16.massacres, when they put him under close surveillance the measures

:02:17. > :02:20.produced no evidence to justify, in their view, any further expenditure

:02:21. > :02:24.and further man-hours. They abandoned it. The same thing

:02:25. > :02:30.happened with the French attackers last year. Initially they came to

:02:31. > :02:33.the notice of authorities and were put under surveillance but then

:02:34. > :02:39.eventually they couldn't justify monitoring them any more. Other

:02:40. > :02:44.things which have emerged, the man's father, Anis Amri, has described him

:02:45. > :02:49.as a violent, drugtaking adolescent and we found out he was in jail in

:02:50. > :02:53.Italy for setting fire to an asylum centre, an immigrant migration

:02:54. > :02:58.Centre. So this picture has emerged of a guy... The classic, you could

:02:59. > :03:02.say, a guy who has left his country, Tunisia, he has come into the

:03:03. > :03:06.European Union and come to the notice of authorities and been put

:03:07. > :03:09.under surveillance. He has done things which may in some

:03:10. > :03:13.jurisdictions have justified and arrest or possibly a trial, but in

:03:14. > :03:18.Italy and then Germany he seems to have moved on and got into the wider

:03:19. > :03:25.community. But clearly he has got a history of crime. A lot of issues

:03:26. > :03:28.there. The authorities in Germany wanted to deport him, even though

:03:29. > :03:32.they couldn't stick the label of terrorist on him, because they kept

:03:33. > :03:36.him under surveillance, they didn't find enough evidence. They wanted to

:03:37. > :03:41.get rid of him but couldn't because the documentation wasn't there. That

:03:42. > :03:45.is what it seems to be. It's extraordinary to find out today that

:03:46. > :03:49.just 44 hours after this atrocity the passport arrived from the

:03:50. > :03:52.Tunisian authorities, which meant the German authorities could have

:03:53. > :03:58.sent him back. I think terror attacks like these throw out these

:03:59. > :04:02.questions between the limits between liberalism, respect for the rule of

:04:03. > :04:06.law and the desire to perhaps be more authoritarian, push measures

:04:07. > :04:11.through and ride roughshod over that. Everyone needs to take a deep

:04:12. > :04:14.breath and a step back a bit. While we are taking a deep rest, we have

:04:15. > :04:20.to look at police procedure. Certainly, and why he was let go and

:04:21. > :04:24.that doubt. Two the police talk about these gold and 24 hours after

:04:25. > :04:28.an incident, and it appears they missed his temporary German

:04:29. > :04:35.resident's permit, in the foot well of the lorry, for 24 hours. And

:04:36. > :04:38.there are forensics all the way around the Christmas market and as a

:04:39. > :04:42.result they pointed the finger at the wrong guy for 24 hours, adding

:04:43. > :04:46.this guy the head start. On the Financial Times, this is a guy who

:04:47. > :04:51.knows how to hide, so even though there is an arrest warrant out for

:04:52. > :04:58.him, Europe wide, wanted Europe wide, with many faces, the thing is,

:04:59. > :05:02.he has got many faces. He knows how to hide, the sky. It is

:05:03. > :05:08.extraordinary looking at these four different mugshots. In some he has

:05:09. > :05:14.put on weight, he seems to be screwing up his eyes, and he has six

:05:15. > :05:19.different names, has posed as a Lebanese national, an Egyptian, as

:05:20. > :05:24.well as Tunisian. In a way he seems to be the perfect criminal. A

:05:25. > :05:28.history of petty crime, violence, drugtaking, as his father said, he

:05:29. > :05:41.also has these bigger connections, to jihadis and Islamic leaders as

:05:42. > :05:47.well. He can do anything now, maybe slimming his face, and this will be

:05:48. > :05:51.a real test of the German authorities. How well do they know

:05:52. > :05:57.their minority communities, their Islamic communities? They will need

:05:58. > :06:01.human intelligence. If he is still in Germany. All the countries

:06:02. > :06:05.bordering Germany, they will co-operate with Germany, and we have

:06:06. > :06:11.Euro poll in the free movement of goods, services and people. Shang

:06:12. > :06:16.will problem we eat toast in a few years time -- Schengen. They need

:06:17. > :06:22.human intelligence to find out where guy is. There will be someone who

:06:23. > :06:29.knows him. That is part of the argument about surveillance in this

:06:30. > :06:32.country, in that there is a sense that the police have more contacts

:06:33. > :06:36.within different communities and there is more of a willingness

:06:37. > :06:40.within communities within this country to turn someone in, whereas

:06:41. > :06:46.that link between officers and the public is not as deep, not there as

:06:47. > :06:50.much, in places like France or Belgium, or indeed Germany. I think

:06:51. > :06:57.that is certainly true. In fact people think that Theresa May during

:06:58. > :07:04.her time as Home Secretary tried to build-up better relations with

:07:05. > :07:06.ethnic communities within the UK. Different countries throughout

:07:07. > :07:12.Europe have different race relations, different underlying

:07:13. > :07:16.tensions between many communities. I think it is absolutely right to say

:07:17. > :07:21.that in some countries those links are not there. It doesn't exist in

:07:22. > :07:27.France, does it? In parts of Paris it just doesn't exist. The reason

:07:28. > :07:31.for that in many European countries as they don't believe in

:07:32. > :07:34.multiculturalism. We want to throw out the baby with the bathwater but

:07:35. > :07:38.one of the reasons we have such strong links between communities and

:07:39. > :07:42.between, you might call it, our institutions and minority

:07:43. > :07:46.communities is because people have a greater sense of fairness. We talk

:07:47. > :07:49.about this system no longer being fit for purpose, multiculturalism,

:07:50. > :07:56.but if we went to French or German way, things might be even worse. A

:07:57. > :07:59.hell of a lot worse. Which takes us to the other story on the front of

:08:00. > :08:05.the Financial Times, the European Court rules the indiscriminate mass

:08:06. > :08:08.surveillance law to be illegal. Some things we have been seen in the news

:08:09. > :08:16.suggest that tracking someone like this guy will be made much more

:08:17. > :08:21.difficult if this ECJ ruling stands. It is a tricky one. The proposal

:08:22. > :08:26.behind this law is it would allow authorities to track everyone's data

:08:27. > :08:30.and forced telecommunications companies to keep records for 12

:08:31. > :08:35.months of the websites every single Briton has visited, and their phone

:08:36. > :08:39.records. It has been judged to be too illiberal in that it is not

:08:40. > :08:44.targeted, it affects absolutely everyone, and in that way it is too

:08:45. > :08:48.general and indiscriminate. What is interesting is that with many of the

:08:49. > :08:53.terror suspect and proven terrorists in the last few years, the problem

:08:54. > :08:55.has not been that they were not flagged up, the authorities were

:08:56. > :08:59.tracking them with covert surveillance, but they slipped the

:09:00. > :09:04.net. I think there are arguments on both sides here about whether we

:09:05. > :09:10.need to have this dragnet that takes in the entire population. And what

:09:11. > :09:15.is fascinating about this story is that David Davies on the back bench,

:09:16. > :09:21.a champion of civil liberties, he brought this court case to the ECJ.

:09:22. > :09:25.He ducked out of it since he became a minister. And he has said the ECJ

:09:26. > :09:30.is not fit for purpose. He has moved on. And there is nothing wrong with

:09:31. > :09:35.that, David, if you are watching. And if every website we visited and

:09:36. > :09:40.all the data we have looked at was being tracked and held by all

:09:41. > :09:44.these... Don't look at me like I have been looking at dodgy website!

:09:45. > :09:47.By these organisations and telecommunication companies, the

:09:48. > :09:56.kind of institutions which will have access to this data, HMRC,

:09:57. > :10:01.intelligence agencies, the NHS, you were uncomfortable with this in the

:10:02. > :10:04.last hour, nor am I in this hour. We assume that everyone working for

:10:05. > :10:11.these organisations is untouchable, like Eliot Ness. But you can't trust

:10:12. > :10:16.everyone with this information. I think this is a really interesting

:10:17. > :10:25.story in the Guardian. Corbyn critic quits and triggers an election test

:10:26. > :10:29.for Labour. Jamie Reedy was a critic of Jeremy Corbyn and is standing

:10:30. > :10:33.down. He has had conflicts with Jeremy Corbyn over the nuclear

:10:34. > :10:39.issue. The by-election is the interesting thing, I think, because

:10:40. > :10:44.this will be a real test for Jeremy Corbyn and for Labour. And a test

:10:45. > :10:49.for UKIP as well, it is a fascinating seat, Copland, in the

:10:50. > :10:53.north-west. There are only about 2500 votes in it, it is very

:10:54. > :10:58.marginal. The Tories in second place and UKIP not very far behind. It is

:10:59. > :11:01.a golden opportunity for the Conservatives. It has been

:11:02. > :11:05.interesting today to see how people have come out. Labour has been on

:11:06. > :11:09.the defensive back foot. Conservatives have been quite

:11:10. > :11:13.bullish, saying this could be a golden ticket for them and many

:11:14. > :11:17.Labour MPs, perhaps trolling Jeremy Corbyn, have pointed out that this

:11:18. > :11:22.will be the first time since 1983 that the governing party has won a

:11:23. > :11:28.by-election when the main opposition party has resigned. I happen to be

:11:29. > :11:32.at Euston station earlier, and Paul muscle was buying a ticket to

:11:33. > :11:41.Copland. I made that up! But I would not be surprised if he is on a train

:11:42. > :11:46.up their pretty soon. And I hear that this was a Brexit constituency.

:11:47. > :11:50.Exactly, it makes it even more interesting. It is a test of Jeremy

:11:51. > :11:56.Corbyn's attitude towards Europe, and his Shadow Home Secretary's

:11:57. > :12:00.attitude towards the free movement of people. There are a number of

:12:01. > :12:08.people, not least the head of Unite, Len McCluskey, who would want to end

:12:09. > :12:16.free movement. This could be really bad for foreign Labour. When the

:12:17. > :12:21.Times cover this? A couple of months? It could be shorter than

:12:22. > :12:28.that. It is up to Labour to move the writ, but I think we could see it

:12:29. > :12:33.taking place in January -- what is the timetable to cover this. They

:12:34. > :12:38.could allow a longer lead time and allow their rivals time, less to get

:12:39. > :12:43.on with it. Very quickly, I wonder whether Jamie Reedy will be the

:12:44. > :12:49.last? There has been a lot of suggestion today it is a chicken

:12:50. > :12:55.run, others will start to fall. Most of us get a cold, we are laid out

:12:56. > :13:01.and it is no big deal. But the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh falling

:13:02. > :13:08.ill, it is front-page news. I thought this is kind of tricky,

:13:09. > :13:15.throne a sickie. It is quite amusing in a way. I suppose you can tell

:13:16. > :13:24.that arch royalist... We are only express now. Health scare for Queen

:13:25. > :13:29.and Philip. Yesterday or the day before we heard from Nicholas

:13:30. > :13:32.Witchell, the Queen is dropping her patronage of 25 major charities and

:13:33. > :13:37.people were saying does this mean she is going to start winding down?

:13:38. > :13:43.Even though she is in rude and robust health, she is 90. Even

:13:44. > :13:46.though they missed their usual getaway to Sandringham, at the

:13:47. > :13:54.moment they are staying firmly put in Buckingham Palace, which means

:13:55. > :13:58.they must be properly ill. You say properly ill, let's not cause anyone

:13:59. > :14:02.there to drop their cocoa or whiskey or whatever you have in your hand at

:14:03. > :14:09.the moment. Buckingham Palace says it is all fine. They will be

:14:10. > :14:15.travelling in a few days. And of course, Sandringham a very big part

:14:16. > :14:21.of Christmas for both of them. I just taken aback by what you just

:14:22. > :14:28.said, not proper ill, don't worry! It is a cold. So yes, it is the kind

:14:29. > :14:33.of thing which will be big news, considering he is 95 and the Queen

:14:34. > :14:40.herself is in her 90s. It is true, and it's interesting, because royal

:14:41. > :14:44.family worked like clockwork, it is such a tradition for them to go to

:14:45. > :14:48.Sandringham at this time of year. It reminds me how much they are part of

:14:49. > :14:52.the routine at Christmas. We are so used to the Royal Family, especially

:14:53. > :14:57.the Queen, doing the same thing, that it feels a real disruption of

:14:58. > :15:02.the norm. That is a good point, you get the turkey and open the presents

:15:03. > :15:06.and the Queen is at Sandringham. Now the sun have a headline on this, and

:15:07. > :15:12.I pooh-poohed this at the beginning, I have to say, but looking at it on

:15:13. > :15:20.reflection, it is not that bad. What do you think, throne a sickie? It is

:15:21. > :15:25.not too bad. We don't want to be flip with the Queen and Prince

:15:26. > :15:30.Philip having a cold but as someone who never throws a sticky... Are you

:15:31. > :15:39.suggesting, the implication from this headline, from the Sun, the

:15:40. > :15:43.most widely read paper in the country is that they are bonking off

:15:44. > :15:50.somehow? They just can't be bothered going to Sandringham this year? If

:15:51. > :15:54.they were genuinely concerned for the health of the royal couple, they

:15:55. > :16:00.would not be as flip is that. And the nation is reassured. It has been

:16:01. > :16:01.great having you in to look at the stories behind the headlines. Many

:16:02. > :16:09.thanks. Don't forget you can see us online

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