:00:12. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
:00:16. > :00:18.With me are the Sun's deputy Head of Sport,
:00:19. > :00:21.Martin Lipton and Martin Bentham, home affairs Editor at the Evening
:00:22. > :00:25.Tomorrow's front pages starting with...
:00:26. > :00:29.The Observer says the Prime Minister is under pressure this weekend
:00:30. > :00:33.to announce an emergency NHS rescue plan to parliament.
:00:34. > :00:38.Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Theresa May says the Government has
:00:39. > :00:42.a duty to step in and tackle injustice.
:00:43. > :00:44.The Sunday Times leads with Britain's former ambassador
:00:45. > :00:47.to the EU, Ivan Rogers, meeting with David Cameron before
:00:48. > :00:54.Christmas to warn him that Theresa May was botching Brexit.
:00:55. > :00:57.The Sunday Express says the man set to become Donald Trump's ambassador
:00:58. > :00:59.to the EU has revealed that he supported Brexit
:01:00. > :01:06.The Mail on Sunday features Israeli officials allegedly caught making
:01:07. > :01:12.a vow to 'take down' Boris Johnson's Foreign Office deputy.
:01:13. > :01:15.And The Sun on Sunday feature a story of a man,
:01:16. > :01:17.who was born a girl 20 years ago, being
:01:18. > :01:36.Right. OK let us again. Martin, could you begin for us this time? We
:01:37. > :01:40.have two Martins. We must not get confused. Theresa May in the Sunday
:01:41. > :01:44.Telegraph, setting out her vision for a shared society, and not the
:01:45. > :01:49.big society, which was the tactic of David Cameron. It is a society,
:01:50. > :01:53.unlike the famous quote from Margaret Thatcher although slightly
:01:54. > :01:59.misinterpreted. A big defining.... She said there was no such thing as
:02:00. > :02:03.society. Yes. Everyone is focusing on Brexit but from the point of view
:02:04. > :02:07.of the Prime Minister, her big focus is this idea of trying to present
:02:08. > :02:12.herself and reposition the Tory policy as a party for the ordinary
:02:13. > :02:16.person, a person who was struggling a little with the difficult changes
:02:17. > :02:22.in the workplace and globalisation and so forth and saying here is a
:02:23. > :02:26.government that can intervene and fix broken markets. She talks about
:02:27. > :02:32.promoting American Greste. She talks about education in that respect.
:02:33. > :02:37.Building more houses, addressing the how to sing shortage for people
:02:38. > :02:40.bringing house prices down. All of these different interventionist
:02:41. > :02:46.policies she is alluding to it this stage in her article for the Sunday
:02:47. > :02:52.terra graft. -- Telegraph. She is setting out a big reform agenda over
:02:53. > :02:56.the coming weeks and months. I think this is what she wants her legacy to
:02:57. > :03:02.be rather than Brexit. It is a challenge now to see whether or not
:03:03. > :03:07.she can deliver this. It was not a traditional conservative message.
:03:08. > :03:19.This is pitching a big tent on what should always historically be seen
:03:20. > :03:23.as the labour territory. He used to try and reclaim Tory territory and
:03:24. > :03:26.to move the centre ground on his way. One could argue relatively
:03:27. > :03:30.successfully. Theresa May is now trying to do it on her terms. It was
:03:31. > :03:36.interesting, however, there was talk in this article about, also about
:03:37. > :03:39.Brexit and they call it the quiet revolution by those who thought the
:03:40. > :03:43.system had been stacked against them for too long. This is the central
:03:44. > :03:47.crux, really, they are trying to set out a message which I am not
:03:48. > :03:51.entirely sure comes across particularly strongly or
:03:52. > :03:57.sufficiently well but the premises there that she wants to be seen as
:03:58. > :04:06.someone who understands the concerns and can to some degree and so them.
:04:07. > :04:12.Whether or not she can... There are two things here. An allegation that
:04:13. > :04:16.she is trying to say that the Tory party is not about what it used to
:04:17. > :04:19.stand for, it is about something different. And as you were just
:04:20. > :04:23.saying, Martin, of cores are until now the force of globalisation in a
:04:24. > :04:28.sense, the received political wisdom is that this is how the world is
:04:29. > :04:32.evolving we need to go with it and work with it and you need to adapt.
:04:33. > :04:35.She is saying actually there are things that government can do to
:04:36. > :04:43.help and to mitigate some of those big changes. Moving on. Brexit. The
:04:44. > :04:51.elite story in the Sunday Times. Sir Ivanka Rogers who just quit as an
:04:52. > :04:57.ambassador. Apparently he had secret meetings with David Cameron before
:04:58. > :05:01.Christmas. What was said? They are not secret any more. It is
:05:02. > :05:07.interesting. There has been a schism which has widened into a genuine
:05:08. > :05:18.ructions between Theresa May and David Cameron. Ivanka Rogers who, as
:05:19. > :05:21.we know, quit in high dudgeon from his role as EU ambassador. That was
:05:22. > :05:27.Cameron before Christmas and offered some aggressive warnings about the
:05:28. > :05:32.way Brexit negotiations or more negotiations were taking place.
:05:33. > :05:37.Speaking about the fear of mutually assured destruction and the biggest
:05:38. > :05:41.issue is whether we have an orderly or disorderly Brexit and were
:05:42. > :05:44.heading for a car crash, he told David Cameron. David Cameron
:05:45. > :05:47.apparently privately shares those views the Brexit will hurt the
:05:48. > :05:53.economy. We should not be surprised by that, given his stance in the
:05:54. > :05:57.vote. I suspect that people in the inner circle around Theresa May will
:05:58. > :06:03.be particularly angry and feel that once again she has been undermined
:06:04. > :06:07.to a degree by her predecessor. I don't think they will be too say
:06:08. > :06:13.that seeing it come out, either, because it puts a pile of pressure,
:06:14. > :06:18.it keeps the pressure on those who are still in favour of Brexit. I
:06:19. > :06:24.suppose so although I think this is a debate that wants to go away. A
:06:25. > :06:27.very swift appointment of Sir Ivanka Rogers as a replacement to Tim
:06:28. > :06:32.Burrow was obviously designed to try and close the story down because it
:06:33. > :06:41.seemed like a 24 hour was story, to be frankly. A diplomat that no-one
:06:42. > :06:48.heard of leaves in a flurry. An analysis of the e-mail... So this
:06:49. > :06:53.brings it back in a sense that it is perhaps not very helpful. On the
:06:54. > :06:58.other hand, as you say, it perhaps reinforces the view that actually he
:06:59. > :07:03.was not, he was not independent in a sense. It was a very political
:07:04. > :07:10.position. But maybe David Cameron encouraged him... That will be the
:07:11. > :07:15.allegation. Talking about people who go to Europe to native. If that is
:07:16. > :07:20.their argument, perhaps the Brexiteers will be trying to push on
:07:21. > :07:25.point to Sir Ivanka and others. Continuing with Brexit, I'm afraid,
:07:26. > :07:32.it is an interesting story. The UK at risk of a trade catastrophe. This
:07:33. > :07:36.comes from a Canadian gentlemen. You mentioned earlier that this man is a
:07:37. > :07:43.Canadian and he often says what he thinks. Generally speaking Canadians
:07:44. > :07:50.are polite. However this chap, what has he been saying? He was part the
:07:51. > :07:54.negotiation team to deal between Canada and the EU which took nearly
:07:55. > :08:00.a decade to negotiate. He suggests that there is a danger of a
:08:01. > :08:04.catastrophic Brexit because of the government ignoring the concerns of
:08:05. > :08:09.trade experts. We had one man saying we have had too much of experts...
:08:10. > :08:14.The thing is, however, the observer takes a stand because of its stand
:08:15. > :08:20.on Brexit. Conversely if you look at the Sunday Express you have the
:08:21. > :08:24.newly appointed potentially newly appointed US ambassador to the EU,
:08:25. > :08:31.there seems to be incredibly excited at the prospect of Brexit. What that
:08:32. > :08:36.means as both sides are looking for people to bolster their views. The
:08:37. > :08:41.point of this Canadian man is that it is the length of time that it
:08:42. > :08:45.takes. Look at the problem can ever faced. They take an awful lot of...
:08:46. > :08:50.And that in itself is a dangerous business. There is some
:08:51. > :08:54.justification in that but it is not a simple thing to get a trade deal
:08:55. > :08:58.on the government itself has indicated there may have to be a
:08:59. > :09:01.transitional deal with the EU. Of course, achieving a true that
:09:02. > :09:07.additional bill is also problematic. Some of his warnings could be
:09:08. > :09:10.justified. I'm not sure that his allegations about the inattention of
:09:11. > :09:14.the government is valid I think the government is well aware of that
:09:15. > :09:18.risk and doing its best to deal with it. Whether they can not is another
:09:19. > :09:22.issue altogether and we will have to see what happens over the coming
:09:23. > :09:27.couple of years. Continuing on. The Mail on Sunday has a curious
:09:28. > :09:32.complicated story but it has the scoop on its hands here. An Israeli
:09:33. > :09:37.Embassy official apparently targeting, saying they wanted to
:09:38. > :09:45.take down the Foreign Minister, a junior minister in the Foreign
:09:46. > :09:50.Office department. They have filmed at... What a curious business. I
:09:51. > :09:56.think this is the story of the night. You have a diplomat from the
:09:57. > :09:59.Israeli embassy saying that because Alan Duncan, the number two in the
:10:00. > :10:05.Foreign Office is no truth pro- Palestinian views, saying at this
:10:06. > :10:08.dinner where he was recorded overtly by somebody who didn't realise he
:10:09. > :10:15.was a journalist, suggesting, in fact wanting somebody else to take
:10:16. > :10:19.down Sir Alan Duncan and, indeed, other MPs who were deemed to be not
:10:20. > :10:24.favourable to Israeli interests. That is quite a statement and
:10:25. > :10:27.Israeli Ambassador apparently has now run up Alan Duncan and
:10:28. > :10:31.apologised for this and said that the comments were completely
:10:32. > :10:36.unacceptable. He put out a statement which we should emphasise that they
:10:37. > :10:41.have said. The transcript on the tape is at least somewhat accurate
:10:42. > :10:45.in terms of what was said. It is interesting. I think there will be
:10:46. > :10:50.so difficult conversations for the aid to another junior minister who
:10:51. > :10:55.appears to have been the second party in these conversations. We
:10:56. > :10:58.must be very cautious about that. We do not have independent
:10:59. > :11:03.verification. But she will be asked to give more information about what
:11:04. > :11:10.was and wasn't said at the dinner. But there is clearly... The
:11:11. > :11:13.Arab-Israeli issue remains at the heart of politics in this country
:11:14. > :11:20.and probably always will because there are two very divergences
:11:21. > :11:23.views. Diplomacy is taking a great turn. We have an Israeli wanting to
:11:24. > :11:29.take down our minister. You have Donald Trump telling us to an point
:11:30. > :11:32.as ambassador. We have the EU and battered resigning in high dudgeon.
:11:33. > :11:37.Diplomacy is to be quiet behind-the-scenes and at the moment
:11:38. > :11:43.it is spectacular. The Sunday Times has a picture of a young lady on the
:11:44. > :11:48.front page and a chap with a very alarming looking rifle. British
:11:49. > :11:54.bride of Isis chief. Can you explain this one to us? They are talking
:11:55. > :11:58.about a white American convert who was a leading figure in Isis who
:11:59. > :12:05.married a British woman and went out to Syria, she divorced him and came
:12:06. > :12:09.back. It is talking here, a fairly straightforward story in that sense.
:12:10. > :12:15.It illustrates, albeit that she has let them come back. It does
:12:16. > :12:32.illustrate this continuing danger of British people, women as well as men
:12:33. > :12:36.People from, who you would never People from, who you would never
:12:37. > :12:41.think are going to go out there. This particular chap, we were
:12:42. > :12:44.talking about the man, he came from in a very prominent American
:12:45. > :12:50.military family, apparently, according to the story. Quite an
:12:51. > :12:53.amazing background he has. It does seem bizarre that somebody who
:12:54. > :12:58.appears to have had his roots embedded deep in the American
:12:59. > :13:01.military structure, an American family and obviously he has had
:13:02. > :13:06.plenty of involvement in the army, should end up being a key Isis
:13:07. > :13:15.recruiter. It is remarkable. But then again, a number of the sort of
:13:16. > :13:18.Western born Jihad as, you would never have imagined from their
:13:19. > :13:22.background that they would end up being... Quite a few converts go.
:13:23. > :13:25.That is one of the things that happens. Of course there are people
:13:26. > :13:33.who come from those type of backgrounds. They started off from
:13:34. > :13:40.white middle-class backgrounds and convert and become far more radical
:13:41. > :13:44.than the average person. Now I think this is very much one for you to
:13:45. > :13:51.talk about, Martin Lipton. Many pictures are round of Wayne Rooney
:13:52. > :14:00.is all over the back pages. Why? It is a good story. He's got his 249th
:14:01. > :14:04.goal for Manchester United which means he is the joint record
:14:05. > :14:08.goalscorer. A few months ago he scored his 50th goal for England so
:14:09. > :14:13.here's the record goalscorer for England. In both case he took the
:14:14. > :14:16.record that had been set by Sir Bobby Charlton who was there
:14:17. > :14:21.watching the match today. I think it is fitting that Wayne Rooney should
:14:22. > :14:25.do it at Old Trafford in a home game rather than away in some far reaches
:14:26. > :14:28.of Europe which it may have been the other week when they played in the
:14:29. > :14:31.Ukraine. He has been the dominant English footballer of the last
:14:32. > :14:36.decade. We may argue, well, he should have achieved more in did not
:14:37. > :14:41.achieve what he could have been and is not a superstar. He nevertheless
:14:42. > :14:45.has been England was the best player. A record goalscorer another
:14:46. > :14:51.record goalscorer for the most hated club in English football. And a
:14:52. > :14:58.record number of games and all of that. -- for the most celebrated
:14:59. > :15:04.club in English football. They probably say the same as us,
:15:05. > :15:11.actually. He has done quite well. "Quite Does quote well? Apparently
:15:12. > :15:14.he has 26 penalties and Bobby Charlton had nine although you say
:15:15. > :15:22.he played far fewer games that sort of even set out. The 249th goal, I
:15:23. > :15:28.think was not actually a key grey-haired or anything. It was...
:15:29. > :15:33.It was not the cleanest strike. It sort of floated off his shin, really
:15:34. > :15:42.as the ball came in. These need, I read. He guided towards the goal and
:15:43. > :15:48.he will take it. He's got fantastic goals as well. Some brilliant
:15:49. > :15:54.strikes and cabins. He scored 249 goals, 12 years. Longevity is
:15:55. > :15:58.impressive in itself. And he remains an iconic English football player.
:15:59. > :16:04.He may not be the player he was but here still something special. And
:16:05. > :16:11.very quickly. From the Sunday Telegraph, ABC breakfast time. My
:16:12. > :16:21.lovely colleague misidentified a couple of people he was about to
:16:22. > :16:25.interview. Explain to as what happened. He was supposed to be
:16:26. > :16:29.interviewing a former soldier who climb Mount Everest and in fact he
:16:30. > :16:36.got an academic who was considerably older and not quite as athletic.
:16:37. > :16:40.Unfortunately he did not realise that he had the wrong person in
:16:41. > :16:49.front of him until, well, he realise quickly, I think... It does show
:16:50. > :16:55.actually how fraught live television can be. It can be indeed, especially
:16:56. > :16:59.when you have two people called Markson. Thank you very much,
:17:00. > :17:03.gentlemen. Well done, John Kay handled well in the end.
:17:04. > :17:08.Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website
:17:09. > :17:11.where you can read a detailed review of the papers.
:17:12. > :17:13.It's all there for you - seven days a week at
:17:14. > :17:16.BBC.co.uk/papers and you can see us there too -
:17:17. > :17:18.with each night's edition of The Papers being posted
:17:19. > :17:20.on the page shortly after we've finished.
:17:21. > :17:23.Thank you, Martin Lipton and Martin Bentham.