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:00:00. > :00:12.Now on BBC News here's The Papers

:00:13. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to the The Papers - a look through what the Sunday

:00:16. > :00:20.With me are Prashant Rao, Deputy Europe Business Editor

:00:21. > :00:22.of the International New York Times and Shyana Perera,

:00:23. > :00:30.The Observer says the Prime Minister is under pressure this weekend

:00:31. > :00:34.to announce an emergency NHS rescue plan to parliament.

:00:35. > :00:37.Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Theresa May says the Government has

:00:38. > :00:41.a duty to step in and tackle injustice.

:00:42. > :00:42.The Sunday Times leads with Britain's former

:00:43. > :00:44.ambassador to the EU, Ivan Rogers, meeting

:00:45. > :00:47.with David Cameron before Christmas to warn him that Theresa May

:00:48. > :00:54.The Sunday Express says the man set to become Donald Trump's ambassador

:00:55. > :00:56.to the EU has revealed that he supported Brexit

:00:57. > :01:03.The Mail on Sunday features Israeli officials allegedly caught making

:01:04. > :01:05.a vow to 'take down' Boris Johnson's Foreign

:01:06. > :01:11.And The Sun on Sunday feature a story of a man,

:01:12. > :01:14.who was born a girl - twenty years ago, being

:01:15. > :01:26.Let's have a look at them. Theresa May, we know she will make a big

:01:27. > :01:29.speech at some point on Brexit, but this is an article she has written

:01:30. > :01:33.for the Sunday Telegraph which they feature on the front page saying

:01:34. > :01:38.that it is now the sheriff society not the big society. I think if you

:01:39. > :01:43.read the article which is tucked away inside the Sunday Telegraph,

:01:44. > :01:47.and the size of a normal column by any columnist, all it says is a

:01:48. > :01:54.shared society means a shared society. It does not tell you

:01:55. > :01:56.anything. We will act across as really society to restore the

:01:57. > :02:00.furnace which is the bedrock of the social solidarity that makes our

:02:01. > :02:05.nation stronger. What on earth does that mean? I cannot see a big

:02:06. > :02:08.difference between this and big society which was all about active

:02:09. > :02:15.citizenship and all of that is embedded in this. It is just...

:02:16. > :02:21.Shared his three letters longer than big. It is and to reason may maybe

:02:22. > :02:27.has not actually got a single idea to deliver. That is the problem, we

:02:28. > :02:31.know the political mood not just in this country but across the western

:02:32. > :02:36.world in democracies is very sceptical of politicians and the

:02:37. > :02:41.promises so when you view the big society or shared society and you

:02:42. > :02:45.wonder if going to hospital is a good thing and if you will be seen a

:02:46. > :02:53.lot, there is a disappointing between the reality that many others

:02:54. > :02:56.live in and the politicians. As people are increasingly sceptical of

:02:57. > :03:00.politicians promises, interestingly there is this one sentence that

:03:01. > :03:04.struck me, which was championing this idea of the people just about

:03:05. > :03:08.managing at the idea that these people need an act of governance

:03:09. > :03:12.that. Up, I think that is currently a throwaway phrase but could be

:03:13. > :03:16.interesting about how a Conservative government could be more activist

:03:17. > :03:19.when it comes to industry, added more interventionist than it comes

:03:20. > :03:23.to markets, she talks but intervening in failed markets, that

:03:24. > :03:27.is not the typical rhetoric a year from Conservative government which

:03:28. > :03:32.places more faith in markets and more faith in businesses to figure

:03:33. > :03:38.things out and this kind of line which I find just a little unusual

:03:39. > :03:42.as not quite in keeping with the Conservatives. I thought that was

:03:43. > :03:48.interesting and that the target audience was not the poor but those

:03:49. > :03:52.who some would describe as jams, but normal ordinary working people who

:03:53. > :03:57.think that things have got much more difficult and also our society is

:03:58. > :04:03.quite unfair. To reason me is a great strategist and has crept

:04:04. > :04:07.crab-like across the social spectrum to the side that is normally brought

:04:08. > :04:10.by the Tories are classified -- pacified by the Tories and she's

:04:11. > :04:14.making all sorts of claims about think she will do that do break the

:04:15. > :04:19.model of what Tory prime ministers do but there is not a single piece

:04:20. > :04:25.of information behind any of this, it is like a Miss world contestants

:04:26. > :04:29.saying I want world peace. It is just where is the basis of any of

:04:30. > :04:34.this? It has been six months, we have not had a single policy that

:04:35. > :04:40.has any value. Is it about changing the subject from Brexit? I think

:04:41. > :04:44.that is interesting, a lot of front pages document Ivan Rogers who

:04:45. > :04:50.continues to dominate headlines,... Right back this is the British

:04:51. > :04:56.diplomatic weight. We see on the front page of the Sunday Times that

:04:57. > :05:00.he secretly met with Cameron at the end of last year, we have stuff here

:05:01. > :05:05.about the front page of the Observer has an op-ed from a Canadian trading

:05:06. > :05:09.official who said it will be difficult and Sir Ivan Rogers was

:05:10. > :05:11.correct, this is still a dominant narrative. I think one of the

:05:12. > :05:16.accusations that has been levelled against the Prime Minister is that

:05:17. > :05:20.the whole Brexit thing has sucked up all the oxygen and has not been

:05:21. > :05:26.enough discussion on other that are happening. The NHS, the education

:05:27. > :05:30.system, all these things ever pressing issues. I thought the front

:05:31. > :05:37.page splash of the mail on Sunday was terrific. Colleagues in Al

:05:38. > :05:42.Jazeera were behind this but the story is as real plot to take down

:05:43. > :05:48.Tory minister. A video cat is the diplomatic conspiring with deputy MP

:05:49. > :05:56.eight two slam a fully minister. You can see let's take down bodices

:05:57. > :06:01.deputy, -- Boris. They have done a good newspaper job. We have done a

:06:02. > :06:07.good newspaper job of ITV job. Let's give credit where it is due. I found

:06:08. > :06:12.this interesting because I did not know Boris and Allen about that

:06:13. > :06:16.important any more, it felt like that is the ministry where we have a

:06:17. > :06:23.couple of puppets and it is being run by someone else. The Israelis

:06:24. > :06:30.suggested that Boris is now was an idiot. That is the court. It is

:06:31. > :06:34.quite interesting, it has been passed on to us and the upgrade

:06:35. > :06:37.relations with visual, everything is fine, which is usual the poetic

:06:38. > :06:46.speak for there is a row behind closed doors. There are two things

:06:47. > :06:49.you, one is the grey minister after Secretary Kenny's speech the

:06:50. > :06:56.pro-minister was more strident in support of Israel, and I think with

:06:57. > :07:00.with British history it is a little bit, its alliance with the US given

:07:01. > :07:07.that she was so critical of the secretary, secretary Kenny, was

:07:08. > :07:12.unusual. We are now hearing more and more about foreign countries tried

:07:13. > :07:14.to intervene in politics. I think this is something of countries

:07:15. > :07:21.elsewhere in the world often suspect of the US and Britain, but now we

:07:22. > :07:25.have the situation with Russia doing things that the allegations that

:07:26. > :07:28.Israel tries to do things in British politics, this is becoming more and

:07:29. > :07:32.more of the narrative. What is interesting about that is to take

:07:33. > :07:37.down a government minister whatever you mean by that, to take down a

:07:38. > :07:42.government minister for believing that Israel's policy of settlements

:07:43. > :07:45.in certain areas is wrong is something that will shock people.

:07:46. > :07:51.Not the side bar stuff about what you think of Boris John is not the

:07:52. > :07:54.idea of destroying someone because you don't like the logical ideas and

:07:55. > :08:03.it is a foreign government doing it, that is the core of this. That is

:08:04. > :08:06.right, but has a long history with Israel and a long leash and ship

:08:07. > :08:11.with Israel and the idea that whether it would be a foreign

:08:12. > :08:15.government intervening to take down a government minister, it is hard to

:08:16. > :08:21.tell what exactly has been done, if anything, with regards to this by

:08:22. > :08:24.the Israeli embassy but even the mere suggestion that this is

:08:25. > :08:29.something that they would want to do. Can you imagine if this was a

:08:30. > :08:32.French diplomat saying they wanted to take down some government

:08:33. > :08:38.minister because they wed in favour Brexit. And you imagine the row? I

:08:39. > :08:41.think there would be a huge row and I find it odd because we are friends

:08:42. > :08:46.of Israel so the idea that they feel they need to take down members of

:08:47. > :08:51.our government is worrying that it makes me think someone has always

:08:52. > :08:57.sat on the fence about as real that perhaps we have gone too far into

:08:58. > :09:02.bed with Israel. Maybe this is a shot across the bow for those of us

:09:03. > :09:06.who have been complacent about it and think it is obvious why we have

:09:07. > :09:11.eggs in this particular basket and are ignoring others. I think it will

:09:12. > :09:16.tip the balance just as I think the Russian hacking as you said will tip

:09:17. > :09:20.the balance. We start to understand, I have just spent the whole

:09:21. > :09:23.Christmas period watching that fact that this is just like homeland.

:09:24. > :09:27.Happening every day in the newspapers. Suddenly you realise

:09:28. > :09:33.that these outlandish narrative you have been watching are happening all

:09:34. > :09:40.the time. We await the French and German elections. I was taken by the

:09:41. > :09:47.study, the Sunday Telegraph says that universities are worn over

:09:48. > :09:53.quoted snowflakes to the hand to Snowflake students in controversial

:09:54. > :09:57.-- is controversial changes to the ranking systems will be approved, it

:09:58. > :10:01.means that student voices as to whether they like the university the

:10:02. > :10:05.art will be taken into account. To dismiss a whole group of people as

:10:06. > :10:10.snowflakes because they happen to be young and have views about how they

:10:11. > :10:14.are mentored -- about how they made doesn't post per year tuition fees

:10:15. > :10:20.are being spread as the raiders. There are two different elements to

:10:21. > :10:22.this that are, I told you about this, as you arrested becomes more

:10:23. > :10:29.expensive because one of a financial decision, it is reasonable to say

:10:30. > :10:33.that, they are kind of customers in a way, that they have some say over

:10:34. > :10:37.the product they are paying for. But at the same time there is also the

:10:38. > :10:41.element that university is a place where you're meant to be challenged

:10:42. > :10:46.and you have to ask questions of yourself and questions the -- that

:10:47. > :10:50.you ask of others that are demanding. The ability to be

:10:51. > :10:56.challenged is a fundamental part of it you come across ideas you don't

:10:57. > :11:00.like. Yes but the ship your views. That was something about my

:11:01. > :11:04.experience in university that I treasure and if that is eroded you

:11:05. > :11:08.lose something. Take your point but the idea that this is a generation

:11:09. > :11:11.of tender little plan to cut the top of this, there are some people who

:11:12. > :11:15.complain about people having different views having a platform.

:11:16. > :11:21.Yes and that is that I would disagree completely about bowing to

:11:22. > :11:24.Snowflake students demand, if they are basing their satisfaction on

:11:25. > :11:30.whether and not the university allows free debate or not,... Or

:11:31. > :11:37.doesn't challenge the prejudices. I am looking for similes but it is

:11:38. > :11:42.like going into Falkland and Mason and complaining they have kangaroo

:11:43. > :11:46.nose and potato root on the shelves. Say well I know it is a well in or

:11:47. > :11:49.to the fancy food store but actually I don't want you to get me fancy

:11:50. > :11:55.food. Whole point of education and I envied each of people now, not the

:11:56. > :11:59.fees are lass but the fact that so many are able to go to university,

:12:00. > :12:03.to be stretched, to be challenged, to be forced to look of things they

:12:04. > :12:07.don't like. To be fair to most students that is what they want.

:12:08. > :12:14.That is the point I was trying to make, it is a very small minority

:12:15. > :12:19.who would fit into that category of so-called snowflakes. That is true.

:12:20. > :12:25.The danger is to castigate an entire group of thousands of aspiring young

:12:26. > :12:27.people who want to be challenged as snowflakes, but there is a decent

:12:28. > :12:31.number of anecdotes that make you a little bit worried about people who

:12:32. > :12:35.are, we see this all the time, people who want to stay in the

:12:36. > :12:40.bottles and don't want to be challenged. It is coming to the NUS

:12:41. > :12:43.which is not a small, might be a small organisation as a whole

:12:44. > :12:51.likeable and many members at hazard has a huge voice and huge influence.

:12:52. > :12:55.The one thing I worried about as being one of those people who say it

:12:56. > :13:00.was better in my day! Don't want to be that person but that is my

:13:01. > :13:08.concern. Fish stocks if I can find it, the story says, it is somewhere

:13:09. > :13:14.in the Observer, the point of the story, thank you very much, how

:13:15. > :13:18.warming seas are forcing fish to seek new waters. And not by a number

:13:19. > :13:22.of things about this. Climate change is affecting the fish we have in

:13:23. > :13:27.British waters, cold is further north and this is more difficult to

:13:28. > :13:31.get. That said coming soon, squid suppers. We are plenty of squid, not

:13:32. > :13:38.so much cod, will be changing dietary habits because of this? Are

:13:39. > :13:44.you? I'm not. You will live cod suddenly goes up in price. I suppose

:13:45. > :13:48.the Scottish will start on it and pass it down, they like haggis, the

:13:49. > :13:54.like squid. Pass over the border and we will all start eating it because

:13:55. > :14:00.there is no more cod. I am a Scottish squid lover so I am happy

:14:01. > :14:04.to have squid and chips. How about you, Prashant? It is interesting

:14:05. > :14:08.because cultures cuisines do change over time depending on what is

:14:09. > :14:12.available economically and as the climate changes, so wouldn't be

:14:13. > :14:16.surprising. It would be unusual and fun to shake up some of these

:14:17. > :14:25.recipes. Can you imagine it with vigour can? Whatever Sunday roast

:14:26. > :14:28.was built around squid? What would that is why? The Sunday roast is not

:14:29. > :14:34.something that people have on Sundays very often any more. It was

:14:35. > :14:38.something 50 years ago. Our tastes have changed. The Indian

:14:39. > :14:42.subcontinent, her favourite meal is supposed to be checking taken the

:14:43. > :14:50.salad. And it probably is. -- chicken taken masala. This is harder

:14:51. > :14:52.because if you cannot afford because you can go for something else.

:14:53. > :14:58.Whenever fish has become fashionable it has always been fish that we

:14:59. > :15:02.have, sea bass has become fashionable, then monkfish, you

:15:03. > :15:09.don't really see the local fish becoming fashionable. Cod you tend

:15:10. > :15:16.to get into peace, hadn't you get in chickpeas, so I guess the squid will

:15:17. > :15:20.go into the chip shop. Is squid is good? You're Scottish. Don't hold it

:15:21. > :15:26.against me. I am not of the snuffly generation so I can take it. To

:15:27. > :15:34.pursue the fish angle, Salmond has made a huge comeback. 50 years ago

:15:35. > :15:42.it was expensive and now it is quite cheap, it is a good fish to eat. I

:15:43. > :15:48.preferred the Atlantic salmon. Farmed salmon is a bit flabby. I

:15:49. > :15:52.don't know quite where going. The other big story this month is

:15:53. > :15:56.obviously the presidency of the United States. Club tweets in the

:15:57. > :16:05.world jobs, this is inside the Observer. Now, the Sunday Times.

:16:06. > :16:09.What is interesting about this issue is a man who makes the news by

:16:10. > :16:13.sitting on his phone and quite often if you follow the news he is making,

:16:14. > :16:18.commenting on TV programmes and new shoes he is watching, this is a

:16:19. > :16:23.president unlike any other we have ever seen. It is easy to talk about

:16:24. > :16:30.that, the more concerning stuff is his tweets have aside from the

:16:31. > :16:35.lyrical impact, we saw the past week he was tweeting about General Motors

:16:36. > :16:41.fortitude, the company had to dramatically change the strategy or

:16:42. > :16:43.at somatic changes, otherwise, it is easy to forget that these companies

:16:44. > :16:50.employ hundreds of thousands of people with real jobs, and being

:16:51. > :16:55.affected by 140 characters that the President-elect puts out. Maybe the

:16:56. > :16:58.share price of these companies bounces back but they suddenly have

:16:59. > :17:02.to veer off course. The impact of these tweets are fascinating because

:17:03. > :17:08.how does the PR industry do with this? If you are the PR for Toyota

:17:09. > :17:13.and you're waiting on tenterhooks for what the President-elect might

:17:14. > :17:18.tweet, it could completely upend your strategy overnight. It is

:17:19. > :17:22.fascinating. And also he has been, Mr Trump has been derided for using

:17:23. > :17:28.these tweets, I would suggest he is very smart because you don't get

:17:29. > :17:32.challenged or you ignore the challenges, everybody takes this as

:17:33. > :17:39.news value, and he cannot be interrogated on it. You can't

:17:40. > :17:43.question. He tweeted about how delighted he is to meet Theresa May

:17:44. > :17:48.later this spring, but is a great ally. Well that is fine but when it

:17:49. > :17:54.comes to what Toyota should do, what car company should do, we get into

:17:55. > :18:01.different territory. He has the ballast of being himself, so we

:18:02. > :18:04.can't write it off as easily as we would if it were seen President

:18:05. > :18:09.Obama who was tweeting. It is interesting because he's absolutely

:18:10. > :18:15.a president for the modern age, he is able to first of all encapsulated

:18:16. > :18:22.things and short pithy sentences and he is able to control and terrorise

:18:23. > :18:28.via Twitter which is really a gift I think Mrs Thatcher would have been

:18:29. > :18:33.like this. This is a man who doesn't sleep. In mind that is cause of the

:18:34. > :18:36.working sometimes it is making -- working positively and a lot of the

:18:37. > :18:39.time it is working negatively in some danger not sure it is working

:18:40. > :18:43.but the result was something going on and I think this is exciting and

:18:44. > :18:50.interesting, because I'm not affected by it I guess, the moment.

:18:51. > :18:58.I find this endlessly interesting and entertaining and enlightening,

:18:59. > :19:00.actually, that somebody can be so powerful and there must be some

:19:01. > :19:05.truth in some of the things he's saying for companies and people to

:19:06. > :19:10.respond in the way that they do. The other but I was struck by if we have

:19:11. > :19:13.a look on this, this is the Telegraph cartoon and you will see

:19:14. > :19:19.the President-elect of the United States being sworn in and he is a

:19:20. > :19:27.glove puppet with Vladimir Putin with his hand inside a glove. That

:19:28. > :19:30.is a very interesting, obviously a cartoonist 's take on a very

:19:31. > :19:38.interesting story. Relations Russia in 2017. It is like with it the

:19:39. > :19:41.tweets, it is anyone's guess. It is clear that the President-elect is

:19:42. > :19:48.certainly more open to good relations with Russia and sees

:19:49. > :19:51.Russia in a different way than I think most are at least the loudest

:19:52. > :19:58.portion of the US foreign policy community views Russia, I think this

:19:59. > :20:01.will be tricky because his nominee for Secretary of State has garnered

:20:02. > :20:05.some opposition from within his own party because of Rex Kellas and's

:20:06. > :20:09.relationship with Russia. As time goes on and this is going to be one

:20:10. > :20:13.of the fascinating narratives of the Trump presidency, he really should

:20:14. > :20:18.chip in Russia that will be arguably the most important relationship and

:20:19. > :20:30.how it stays -- shapes the security climate. The sound ramifications for

:20:31. > :20:35.the whole world, doesn't it? It is a Mexican stand-off between these two

:20:36. > :20:39.superpowers. I think there's something that is incredibly

:20:40. > :20:47.positive about it actually, I like the fact that Trump is suggesting he

:20:48. > :20:50.is open -- using opening, what is scary as the curtain suggested that

:20:51. > :20:58.perhaps he's been manipulative, but if ultimately there is some sort of

:20:59. > :21:02.agreement, if there is some sort of, think the word I looking for is

:21:03. > :21:07.Congress but I don't think that is the correct word, but finding that

:21:08. > :21:12.equilibrium between the two superpowers, think it would be

:21:13. > :21:21.fantastic. On that happy note, that isn't the papers. Our FAQs to

:21:22. > :21:22.Prashant and Shyana. We take a look at tomorrow's front pages every

:21:23. > :21:38.evening on BBC News. Good morning. Another fairly quiet

:21:39. > :21:42.weather day, it is misty and create the Iliad have some freezing fog and

:21:43. > :21:48.avail of York but it will be all change this week. Already the

:21:49. > :21:49.elements line up to the west of the UK every cDNA of low pressure