:00:00. > :00:00.The action gets under way this afternoon, with coverage on BBC Two.
:00:00. > :00:14.There are also regular updates live on Radio 5 Live.
:00:15. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to our review of The Papers.
:00:18. > :00:20.With me are Josie Delap, home affairs correspondent
:00:21. > :00:21.for the Economist, and journalist Sean Dilley.
:00:22. > :00:24.Let's have a look at today's front pages.
:00:25. > :00:26.The Observer says cancer patients are feeling
:00:27. > :00:29.the brunt of the NHS crisis, with operations being cancelled
:00:30. > :00:35.The Mail on Sunday suggests cutting the foreign aid budget
:00:36. > :00:39.It claims more than three quarters of voters support the idea.
:00:40. > :00:42.Meanwhile, on the same story, the Sunday Mirror has a picture
:00:43. > :00:46.of a two-year-old girl it says had to sit on the floor for eight hours
:00:47. > :00:50.Theresa May's Brexit strategy is the Sunday Telegraph's focus.
:00:51. > :00:56.It says the PM is prepared to lead Britain out of the single market.
:00:57. > :00:58.The "Brexit Battle Plan" is how the Sunday Express put it,
:00:59. > :01:03.saying Mrs May is going to get tough with Brussels.
:01:04. > :01:06.And the Sunday Times carries an image of Prince William who, it
:01:07. > :01:11.says, will be leaving his position as an air-ambulance
:01:12. > :01:13.helicopter pilot to pursue full-time royal duties.
:01:14. > :01:24.The Sunday Telegraph, story reflecting some of the other papers,
:01:25. > :01:29.gamble on a clean the Brexit, Britain could leave customs union to
:01:30. > :01:35.secure better trade talks. They have both parts per, clean Brexit seems
:01:36. > :01:42.to be watches aiming for. Yes, it seems to be a bit of a rebranding,
:01:43. > :01:45.from hard Brexit to clean. The speech will be on Tuesday,
:01:46. > :01:52.ambassadors from the 27 EU states have been invited to attend. She
:01:53. > :01:56.will lay out in more detail than she currently has her plans for
:01:57. > :01:59.Britain's exit from the EU which will include being prepared to leave
:02:00. > :02:06.the customs union as well as the single market. In order to regain
:02:07. > :02:11.full control of borders. To no longer be bound by a European Court
:02:12. > :02:14.of Justice rulings. She is also keen to end the divisive rhetoric of
:02:15. > :02:21.levers and remainders and the insults flung around... A lot of
:02:22. > :02:25.people are keen on that. It is hard to see that happening. This is her
:02:26. > :02:31.trying to answer some of her critics who say she is simply not telling us
:02:32. > :02:36.what she plans to do. Rightly picking up on the clean Brexit, good
:02:37. > :02:41.bit of rebranding, one wonders what a dirty Brexit would be. Without
:02:42. > :02:46.wishing to be too controversial, I am sick of all of the hard Brexit,
:02:47. > :02:52.soft Brexit, clean Brexit, all of this nonsense, insulting rhetoric. I
:02:53. > :03:00.know you are watching, Downing Street. We are not hiring a poet, we
:03:01. > :03:03.would have Shelley to do that. I sympathise to a degree with the
:03:04. > :03:08.Prime Minister because she is being asked and forced into revealing her
:03:09. > :03:15.negotiating position before and it is a really bad idea patented.
:03:16. > :03:21.Legally, can she remove the customs union, article 127, our membership
:03:22. > :03:26.of the single market? There is a campaign and a judicial review going
:03:27. > :03:30.to court led by a PR chap and I believe another. One is a remain and
:03:31. > :03:37.one is a lever. They are trying to argue that it needs another bit of
:03:38. > :03:44.Parliamentary scrutiny. Have we got the patience? The Sunday Times, same
:03:45. > :03:48.story. I want to move onto Donald Trump who is obviously going to be
:03:49. > :03:56.not just the biggest newsmaker this week but probably this year and the
:03:57. > :03:59.Sunday Times says he wants a summit in rhetoric. What do you make of
:04:00. > :04:04.this? Traditionally, in recent years, the President's first
:04:05. > :04:12.international visit has been to Canada, fairly innocuous. The best
:04:13. > :04:20.possible way! Donald Trump is discussing going to Russia, or took
:04:21. > :04:27.recce a third-party location, to meet with Putin -- to Iceland. This
:04:28. > :04:31.seems to have got footage officials quite worried. What exactly it will
:04:32. > :04:42.mean in terms of sanctions on Russia. -- British officials. And
:04:43. > :04:47.tromp-- and Donald Trump's intentions. The more recent ones
:04:48. > :04:55.about hacking and Crimea being occupied. Donald Trump has promised
:04:56. > :04:58.to keep an open mind on this. He has been quite flattering about Putin in
:04:59. > :05:03.recent months so I think this is another sign of his willingness to
:05:04. > :05:07.develop that relationship, something he says is going to be good for
:05:08. > :05:10.America, good for them to have warmer relations. And it could be.
:05:11. > :05:14.Someone who has been accused of looking like Vladimir Putin on
:05:15. > :05:19.occasion, particularly from behind, ultimately, whether Russia and
:05:20. > :05:25.America like each other, and they probably don't, historically, let us
:05:26. > :05:28.be honest, it is clearly of benefit to have two world powers, each of
:05:29. > :05:34.whom could be perceived by the other side as being a little bit unstable
:05:35. > :05:39.with nuclear weapons, too... I am doing a Donald Trump! It is going to
:05:40. > :05:44.be fantastic! The British are worried, that is part of the story.
:05:45. > :05:52.So they say. Within the foreign service of the US, the capital of
:05:53. > :05:56.Iceland is remembered from when Ronald Reagan tried to give away all
:05:57. > :06:00.nuclear weapons. One might wish for a nuclear free world, but some of
:06:01. > :06:03.the more hard cases in the Ronald Reagan administration went, my
:06:04. > :06:10.goodness, the president is suggesting the Gorbachev, we get rid
:06:11. > :06:15.of all of the nukes. You have to assume one of the reasons that
:06:16. > :06:18.people in the intelligence committee on foreign service in America are so
:06:19. > :06:23.worried about this is because we simply have no idea of what to
:06:24. > :06:29.expect from Donald Trump and his presidency. The knows what he could
:06:30. > :06:35.say at any moment... On Twitter, probably! Who knows. I think that is
:06:36. > :06:39.one of the most unsettling things for spooks and diplomats who are
:06:40. > :06:47.traditionally quite conservative or like to know very much... They like
:06:48. > :06:53.predictability. He is anything but predictable stock we have seen this
:06:54. > :06:57.week the president elect picking a fight, one might say, or engaging a
:06:58. > :07:02.fight with the CIA, American intelligence, which is a brave thing
:07:03. > :07:08.to do. Secondly, picking a fight with the civil rights community and
:07:09. > :07:11.with, was in John Lewis who is a hero among the civil rights
:07:12. > :07:15.committee in the United States and beyond that because of the way he
:07:16. > :07:21.conducted himself in the early 60s. When we talk about in terms of what
:07:22. > :07:25.he may say, he is limited by the Constitution. An awful lot of people
:07:26. > :07:31.do not like Donald Trump the person but they are dealing with Donald
:07:32. > :07:33.Trump the office also Reverend Jesse Jackson is also involved in the
:07:34. > :07:39.civil liberties much happening at the moment. It is fairly inevitable
:07:40. > :07:42.that they are going to be protests against the person. People have to
:07:43. > :07:48.bear in mind, again, whether people like the result, effectively, they
:07:49. > :07:53.are not protesting against democracy... Well, that is the
:07:54. > :07:57.argument we are having. It is interesting, we will have the
:07:58. > :08:04.president of the United States calling for unity in the United
:08:05. > :08:09.States, one can predict, Theresa May is doing that here, you could say it
:08:10. > :08:17.is wonderful, but it also create social problems. Absolutely, the
:08:18. > :08:23.deep breaths, no matter how much politicians call for unity, it is
:08:24. > :08:28.hard to imagine them going away. -- deep rifts. The differences are
:08:29. > :08:33.fundamental, something like Brexit, as we have seen, it reveals very
:08:34. > :08:37.great divisions. We are a polarised country. You could almost look at
:08:38. > :08:42.the Brexit referendum back in June and the US election and the
:08:43. > :08:46.percentages, they are not far off. Indeed not. This is a story which
:08:47. > :08:53.the health service... The Observer has got it as have other papers in
:08:54. > :08:57.different ways. The Mirror has the human story. The Observer has got,
:08:58. > :09:03.health service in fighters, cancer operations cancelled. Number 10 must
:09:04. > :09:06.face the truth according to a hospital chief. This is something
:09:07. > :09:12.people care deeply about. Absolutely. The point about this
:09:13. > :09:16.story, we have seen it quite a lot, stories about the crisis the NHS is
:09:17. > :09:20.facing, cancer operations have traditionally been protected, if not
:09:21. > :09:24.officially but they have been seen as things you cannot cancel. In
:09:25. > :09:29.December, some hospitals began having to postpone them, if not
:09:30. > :09:35.cancel them. The number of the hospitals doing that has increased
:09:36. > :09:38.in January. So we have got people criticising the Government for
:09:39. > :09:44.failing to acknowledge the scale of the crisis, which is nothing new. It
:09:45. > :09:50.is against the backdrop, we were talking a few moments ago before
:09:51. > :09:54.coming on air, GPs being told they have to stay from ATM until 8pm, it
:09:55. > :09:59.is no win for anybody because if you are not a Doctor Barbara, even if
:10:00. > :10:02.you are, I guess, but maybe you have got more time, it is virtually
:10:03. > :10:09.impossible to get any form of GP appointment unless you queue up --
:10:10. > :10:16.Doctor bother. Theresa May is saying that by having the surgery is open
:10:17. > :10:18.it will ease the crisis. But GPs, professional bodies, friends of
:10:19. > :10:25.mine, they feel they are slightly picked upon. Whether that is fair is
:10:26. > :10:32.wide of the debate. You cannot put it all on them. You covered this
:10:33. > :10:37.endlessly, the Economist. It is not new to this government, however we
:10:38. > :10:43.can attract Jeremy Hunt, not the most loved person in the country,
:10:44. > :10:47.very few people who do that job are loved by doctors and therefore by
:10:48. > :10:50.those of us who like our doctors. What is true about the current
:10:51. > :10:54.situation is Britain was not spending on health services is
:10:55. > :10:58.falling behind other rich countries. We are spending less in comparison
:10:59. > :11:03.to other places. The difficulty with health care spending compared to
:11:04. > :11:07.something like criminal justice spending, which Theresa May was in
:11:08. > :11:13.charge before, is that you can decide, I am simply not going to
:11:14. > :11:17.send people to prison, I am going to... I'm going to make these
:11:18. > :11:24.crimes, they are no logo going to be crimes. You cannot do that with
:11:25. > :11:26.health care services. -- no longer. We have an increasingly sick
:11:27. > :11:32.population. This is only going to be a bigger problem. Also, as you know,
:11:33. > :11:38.governments talk about more money for the health service, but there
:11:39. > :11:41.are more of us, the biggest success of British art in the past 50 years,
:11:42. > :11:45.we are living longer, great success story, except if you happen to need
:11:46. > :11:55.a doctor in your lady bloomer and you need more than ten minutes. The
:11:56. > :11:59.figures as well -- in your 80s. There is more money being siphoned
:12:00. > :12:02.off for social care and the like. Maybe five years ago, are member
:12:03. > :12:09.interviewing the Health Secretary at the time, 103 billion, so the amount
:12:10. > :12:12.is increasing. To be frank, it is really difficult. I have sympathies
:12:13. > :12:18.with both sides. The NHS is being cut and they are feeling the
:12:19. > :12:20.squeeze. But if you say, here is ?300 billion, which would be a
:12:21. > :12:24.little bit under half of what the entire Treasury is worth, 768
:12:25. > :12:29.billion, we would still have people surely wanting more budget and it is
:12:30. > :12:34.natural because we want to help people. It is true, going back to
:12:35. > :12:38.your point, if you look at Jeremy, per capita, they have almost three
:12:39. > :12:41.times the number of hospital beds available because they have a
:12:42. > :12:46.different system and they spend more money on it -- if you look at
:12:47. > :12:50.Germany. The NHS used to be the envy of the world. It has not been
:12:51. > :12:55.replicated though. Exactly. When we talk about it, it is difficult. We
:12:56. > :12:58.talk about the NHS and the NHS budget as though it is one
:12:59. > :13:03.monolithic organisation and it is many different organisations and
:13:04. > :13:07.many different things have money spent on them. Social care, that has
:13:08. > :13:11.been cut. The knock-on effects of that in terms of elderly people
:13:12. > :13:13.getting sick at home and needing to come into hospital, putting pressure
:13:14. > :13:20.on hospitals, it is something that is a very complex ecosystem. Moving
:13:21. > :13:27.the Telegraph, Facebook and fake news. I love this story! Let me that
:13:28. > :13:35.it! Parliament to grill Facebook chiefs over fake news. This is the
:13:36. > :13:39.stories which you can see on social media and elsewhere. I am going to
:13:40. > :13:43.be very cynical now and point out there is a business model that works
:13:44. > :13:49.for online papers were the headline is so outrageously devoid from the
:13:50. > :13:55.reality, the reality is the last paragraph, accusing the Prime
:13:56. > :14:03.Minister still linked the lemur Christine Yate cupcake and a great
:14:04. > :14:07.big hole thing and then they say, the Daily Mail, any other
:14:08. > :14:15.publication, the prime Mr was in Jersey that day and could not have
:14:16. > :14:22.been there -- the Prime Minister stealing a cupcake. There is a claim
:14:23. > :14:26.and a counterclaim and here is our research. The answer to so-called
:14:27. > :14:38.fake news is to do news accurately, to have journalists, not
:14:39. > :14:42.churnalists. And have an editor. I am sorry, it was in the Telegraph a
:14:43. > :14:49.while ago, a story which said, could previous lovers change how your
:14:50. > :14:56.future children will look? In paragraph six, the research was
:14:57. > :15:00.based on fruit flies. Intriguing. I thought, what is fake news? That is
:15:01. > :15:04.one of the crucial questions. We know that there have been stories
:15:05. > :15:08.that have been utterly false that people take very seriously and it
:15:09. > :15:12.affects how they might vote and how they view the world and it is
:15:13. > :15:20.something to take very seriously. We have to be very careful also about
:15:21. > :15:24.what we label fake news and who label is something fake. Donald
:15:25. > :15:28.Trump says CNN is fake news because he does not like it. It creates
:15:29. > :15:33.biblical aspect to a genuinely difficult story. Do you mean
:15:34. > :15:39.propaganda? -- it creates a difficult aspect. A story that the
:15:40. > :15:46.BBC is to launch a fake news unit. Actually, I think it... It is
:15:47. > :15:53.supposed to be anti-fake news. It is a fantastic idea. The problem is, it
:15:54. > :15:56.is using rhetoric. To give you an example, with huge respect to
:15:57. > :16:00.anybody in public service, the former prime Mr David Cameron said
:16:01. > :16:08.that journalists should refer to the organisation that itself the Islamic
:16:09. > :16:12.State as so-called Islamic State, I can tell you that I refused to use
:16:13. > :16:15.the term the prime Minster said we should use because there should be
:16:16. > :16:20.an unhealthy tension. I said the organisation called itself the
:16:21. > :16:26.Islamic State and thereafter you call it IS or Islamic State. There
:16:27. > :16:29.is a danger, not just when politicians tell the media what
:16:30. > :16:36.language they should use, we need to have independence. Anti-fake news
:16:37. > :16:41.unit is a brilliant idea. Front page of the Telegraph, 50 Conservative
:16:42. > :16:49.MPs have demanded the Government brings in tougher strike clause --
:16:50. > :16:53.laws. This is an old chestnut, very interesting because the Southern
:16:54. > :16:58.Rail strike has caused such misery. Absolutely. 50 MPs saying that
:16:59. > :17:04.strikes on critical public infrastructure such as train and bus
:17:05. > :17:08.services should only be allowed if they can be deemed reasonable and
:17:09. > :17:14.proportionate by a judge and if they are allowed to go ahead, unions have
:17:15. > :17:20.to provide a skeleton service. What is striking about this, pardon the
:17:21. > :17:24.pun... Well done! They have caused enormous misery, the strikes, but
:17:25. > :17:29.the numbers of workers who are members of the unions and the number
:17:30. > :17:33.of days lost to strikes has declined dramatically. We are left with a few
:17:34. > :17:38.strikes that cause a lot of misery because they are in very high
:17:39. > :17:41.profile industries, where it is very difficult to get workers to stand in
:17:42. > :17:47.when you go on strike. We have to remember, when you have MPs calling
:17:48. > :17:53.for widespread laws about strikes, this is a smaller and smaller issue.
:17:54. > :17:57.What do you make of it? I am loathe to taking any more rights away or
:17:58. > :18:02.creating more laws because successive governments like doing
:18:03. > :18:05.that. I have a little bit of sympathy, I do not tend to use that
:18:06. > :18:10.train network, but I have a little bit of sympathy. For example
:18:11. > :18:14.policing, I do not know if you would call it an industry, but they are
:18:15. > :18:19.not allowed to strike because we need a police service. It is a
:18:20. > :18:26.privately run company, that is the other argument. You cannot go on
:18:27. > :18:29.another railway to come up from Brighton. The devil is in the detail
:18:30. > :18:34.and it is about negotiation. We have to leave it there. That is it. Thank
:18:35. > :18:44.you to Mevlut Mert Aydintas and Ariel Zurawski. -- thank you to Sean