01/02/2017

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:00:15. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:19. > :00:21.With me are Susie Boniface, columnist at the Mirror,

:00:22. > :00:23.and Michael Booker, the Deputy Editor of The Express.

:00:24. > :00:27.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...

:00:28. > :00:29.The Daily Express, which campaigned for the UK

:00:30. > :00:31.to leave the European Union, is in jubilant mood and it's

:00:32. > :00:34.summed in its headline: "Now We're On Our Way Out

:00:35. > :00:48.The Daily Mail also backed Brexit and calls the Government win a

:00:49. > :00:49.crushing vote. It has the statue of Winston Churchill on the front page.

:00:50. > :00:52.The Metro is more neutral in its tone on its front

:00:53. > :00:56.The "i" says Britain has taken a step into the unknown and we face

:00:57. > :01:02.a bitter fight with Brussels over a ?50 billion divorce settlement.

:01:03. > :01:08.The Times reports that Tory MPs are threatening to rebel over Brexit

:01:09. > :01:12.unless Theresa May guarantees the right of EU citizens to stay in

:01:13. > :01:17.Britain. According to the Guardian, Labour

:01:18. > :01:21.has its own problems, with a fifth of MPs defying Jeremy Corbyn and

:01:22. > :01:31.voting against the triggering of Article 50.

:01:32. > :01:34.We will put up the front pages of two of the leading Brexit

:01:35. > :01:41.newspapers, you could say. The Daily Mail, there it is. And the Express.

:01:42. > :01:55.The two, side-by-side. There you go. The Daily Mail: We have liftoff. We

:01:56. > :02:03.did it first. It was you that won it. 2010 we started that crusade.

:02:04. > :02:07.400,000 readers of the Daily Express, and we know our readers,

:02:08. > :02:11.that is why we do this, sent in coupons to the paper. We deliver

:02:12. > :02:15.them to Downing Street, we wanted a referendum, they wanted a

:02:16. > :02:22.referendum, the readers. They will be very pleased, I believe, tomorrow

:02:23. > :02:26.morning to read the paper. Susie, there are a lot of people who won't

:02:27. > :02:35.be pleased. But regardless of how he voted, we are all Brexiting now. We

:02:36. > :02:41.should not continue the division. What is interesting, with all due

:02:42. > :02:45.respect, is that the hyperbole that the newspapers have, saying, this is

:02:46. > :02:51.an amazing victory, the Article 50 cases dreadful, and all the rest of

:02:52. > :02:56.it, no, this is not even the start of something. This is a blow to

:02:57. > :03:01.agree that Theresa May can ask for the permission to trigger a process

:03:02. > :03:08.that might or might not end... You know, this kind of headline, you

:03:09. > :03:12.could have had. The readers of the Express and the Daily Mail know it

:03:13. > :03:16.will take a bit of work. I think everyone thinks it's a done deal,

:03:17. > :03:20.and it isn't. I think they would like to see that there is some

:03:21. > :03:26.movement finally happening. When this takes a year, or another year,

:03:27. > :03:31.what happens? The hyperbole has built people up, and if it doesn't

:03:32. > :03:38.happen... Isn't that what tabloid papers do? Where is my gavel? Could

:03:39. > :03:46.I interject a concept here? Isn't the point of today's vote that we

:03:47. > :03:52.are leaving the European Union? No. Up to this point, we could turn

:03:53. > :03:55.back. Theresa May has to go to the European Council and officially say

:03:56. > :04:02.we're leaving. This gives her the permission. It gives the right to

:04:03. > :04:07.trigger Article 50. What today is about is the fact that Parliament

:04:08. > :04:11.said to Theresa May, you cannot use the royal prerogative, the ancient

:04:12. > :04:15.right of kings and queens in this country, to pass a law. That is what

:04:16. > :04:18.the whole Article 50 court case was about, and for the first time in

:04:19. > :04:27.over three centuries, the Prime Minister... It was a done deal

:04:28. > :04:32.anyway. IQ suggesting, Suzy, that at some point down the line, when the

:04:33. > :04:37.negotiations turned to rubbish, and it is all dreadful, we have to pay

:04:38. > :04:43.back ?50 billion, we will somehow decide, we have to have another

:04:44. > :04:50.referendum? No. That is my point. Today, it means we're leaving the

:04:51. > :04:55.EU. The referendum was merely advisory. Though were all those

:04:56. > :04:59.caveats that are now gone. We're leaving, which is why this is such a

:05:00. > :05:09.big day. What has not been approved as the method. That will be the

:05:10. > :05:14.biggest hurdle. Absolutely. We heard the likes of Anna Soubry, who was a

:05:15. > :05:18.remainer from the Tories, talking about a meaningful vote at the end

:05:19. > :05:22.of the process, so we know there will be more hurdles. For these two

:05:23. > :05:31.newspapers, it is legitimate to have these headlines. Even the "i", at

:05:32. > :05:41.the very top of their paper, they said: We're off - Britain takes step

:05:42. > :05:48.into the unknown. The same papers said the same things last year.

:05:49. > :05:53.Suzy, as the "i" says, this is a step into the unknown. When you get

:05:54. > :05:59.divorced, this is the time... Someone says, I think you should go.

:06:00. > :06:05.It doesn't quite know what its readers feel. Unlike the Express,

:06:06. > :06:16.which knows its readers. Well, we do. You're the man!

:06:17. > :06:27.Mr Dacre, what's going on there? Let's go to the Times, because this

:06:28. > :06:30.is interesting. We're going to reflect perhaps on Labour's

:06:31. > :06:36.problems, but the Conservatives, a fabulous day it would seem for the

:06:37. > :06:45.majority of those MPs, but Theresa May faces Tory revolt after MPs back

:06:46. > :06:49.Brexit. What do they want? Reassurance that the 3.3 million EU

:06:50. > :06:53.citizens living in Britain will be allowed to stay. Theresa May is

:06:54. > :06:59.holding them as a bargaining chip against all the Brits living in the

:07:00. > :07:04.EU at the moment. These Tory MPs, and I think they are going to throw

:07:05. > :07:07.things in the spokes all the way along, Anna Soubry has said there

:07:08. > :07:10.needs to be a meaningful vote, and people like her and Nicky Morgan

:07:11. > :07:15.will keep coming out with these things. Yes, we are on the way, but

:07:16. > :07:21.there will be problems, and this is key. Have there been any Tory

:07:22. > :07:25.amendments tabled? Don't think so. So this will be pressure behind the

:07:26. > :07:35.scenes? It seems to be, but we don't know yet. We have had these people

:07:36. > :07:40.in the debate so far. They are saying, we're not happy and we want

:07:41. > :07:43.a proper vote. The Tories are massively split ideological year of

:07:44. > :07:47.Europe for 30 or 40 years, and they are still split in the same ways,

:07:48. > :07:59.it's just that now the boot is on the other foot and now it is the act

:08:00. > :08:04.wrenches -- the back benches. The Tories are tearing themselves apart.

:08:05. > :08:09.Labour even more so. When it comes to parties tearing themselves apart,

:08:10. > :08:17.perhaps Labour, Suzy, is in a real bind. A fifth of Labour MPs, the

:08:18. > :08:27.front page of the Guardian, the Fai Jeremy Corbyn, a man -- defy Jeremy

:08:28. > :08:34.Corbyn, a man who has defied his own party many times. It is a massive

:08:35. > :08:38.headache for him. He has to have another reachable. I'm not even sure

:08:39. > :08:41.he finished the last one, so that will be interesting. Labour has

:08:42. > :08:45.traditionally been a coalition of different bits of society, if you

:08:46. > :08:51.like. It has had the working class, poorer paid people, the proper old

:08:52. > :08:56.Labour, as it would be known. Then there is the new Labour side of

:08:57. > :09:00.things, slightly more middle-class, more well-heeled, public sector

:09:01. > :09:03.workers, perhaps. And they find that those two halves probably go to

:09:04. > :09:07.different ways in the referendum, and they are probably finding that

:09:08. > :09:12.those two areas are under attack by the Tories or UK, so how do you get

:09:13. > :09:16.them back under the same umbrella? In the current climate, it is

:09:17. > :09:19.incredibly difficult. Corbyn, to be fair, has an almost impossible job,

:09:20. > :09:24.but he's making such a complete mess of it and cannot control his party

:09:25. > :09:28.or convince them that he has a grand plan as to how to get through the

:09:29. > :09:33.next 5-10 years, or how to become Prime Minister. The headline seems

:09:34. > :09:39.to be this doom for Labour thing, but it feels like that has gone on

:09:40. > :09:43.for a couple of years. This whole thing is deepening the cracks. He

:09:44. > :09:50.will reshuffle and then we will have a different bunch of no marks in

:09:51. > :09:54.there. Labour are making such a complete mess of things, no one is

:09:55. > :09:58.really noticing and a Tory backbenchers who are agitating and

:09:59. > :10:03.may begin a rebel against Theresa May are easier to hold in check,

:10:04. > :10:10.they don't get as much TV time. It doesn't seem quite as bad for

:10:11. > :10:16.Theresa May. At PMQs, again, Jeremy Corbyn had an open goal is to hit,

:10:17. > :10:20.and he didn't do it. Does it make any sense, given everything you

:10:21. > :10:24.describe brilliantly about the Big ten, Labour having all these

:10:25. > :10:27.different sections of society and different points of view, trying to

:10:28. > :10:35.keep it together, did it make sense to come down on one side of this and

:10:36. > :10:40.not allow MPs a free vote? No, it was stupid. Corbyn should be saying

:10:41. > :10:51.we are a big tent. We have remainers and leave sufferers -- and levers.

:10:52. > :10:55.Labour has this huge dichotomy, as does the country, and what you need

:10:56. > :11:02.in an opposition party at this stage is a clear message. I genuinely

:11:03. > :11:06.think, whether Labour had, for or against remain orally, it would have

:11:07. > :11:17.done much better and we would have had a proper opposition. Diane

:11:18. > :11:21.Abbott didn't make the vote tonight. Her constituency voted to remain. I

:11:22. > :11:33.hope she gets well soon. We are moving away from Brexit to another

:11:34. > :11:38.world war, someone is suggesting. Trump to put Teheran on notice after

:11:39. > :11:45.missile test. Do you suggest some skulduggery here? It is not, it is

:11:46. > :11:51.just ineptitude. Buffoonery. Trump has said that Obama's nuclear deal

:11:52. > :11:56.with Teheran and lifting sanctions in order for them to ease back on

:11:57. > :12:02.nuclear power revelation was ridiculous -- nuclear proliferation.

:12:03. > :12:06.What has happened now is that his security adviser, Michael Flynn, has

:12:07. > :12:10.said that Iran has been acting up, doing various bits of insurgency

:12:11. > :12:15.tactics and things the Americans don't like, boarding frigates and so

:12:16. > :12:19.on, so we are going to tell you off, basically. He has put them on

:12:20. > :12:26.notice, gave no details about how that would happen. It is basically

:12:27. > :12:30.an empty threat. Then Sean Spicer, he said the president wanted to sure

:12:31. > :12:38.the Iranians understood we are not going to sit by and not act, then

:12:39. > :12:44.didn't act. Do you really think Donald Trump is going to say, all

:12:45. > :12:48.right Ayatollah... These are not scary, they are just bad. At the

:12:49. > :12:53.same time, he labelled Iran as a threat and he's making it clear that

:12:54. > :13:00.he is keeping an eye on them. It is what his supporters want. We hope we

:13:01. > :13:04.are going to say that he knows what he's doing at some point. We hope

:13:05. > :13:10.that is the case. Michael Flynn is very hawkish in himself anyway.

:13:11. > :13:13.Donald Trump is saying these things, and it is so vague as a statement

:13:14. > :13:17.that it could almost be a declaration of war are just finger

:13:18. > :13:24.wagging. We don't know what level to take from Donald Trump at the

:13:25. > :13:29.moment. If you have HN, you are going to get a smack on it by

:13:30. > :13:32.somebody. America has been this super power for so long and wants to

:13:33. > :13:38.rattle Bebear's cage. If you look for a fight, someone will eventually

:13:39. > :13:47.say, all right, I will take you in handicaps. A very good analogy.

:13:48. > :13:54.Meanwhile, in France... Let's go to the front page of the Independent.

:13:55. > :14:01.Marine Le Pen is riding high in the polls. She is extending the lead,

:14:02. > :14:14.particularly against the fact that the right-wing candidate who was

:14:15. > :14:19.likely to do very well, Fillon, is an mired in -- is mired up in a

:14:20. > :14:24.scandal. She clearly seems to be the world think she's clothing and seems

:14:25. > :14:30.to be trying to adopt the softness of policy and image as well. You

:14:31. > :14:33.hope to God that the French see through it. At the moment, it seems

:14:34. > :14:41.to be building up. She is on a populist way. There was a popular

:14:42. > :14:44.French newspaper editor sometime last year that might have said the

:14:45. > :14:50.same thing about Nigel Farage in the UK. The parties are slightly

:14:51. > :14:55.different, to be honest. I am not Ukip voter. The upshot is, there is

:14:56. > :15:02.very real possibility, probably for the first time in history, of the

:15:03. > :15:06.far right - not the first time in history, don't want to go back to

:15:07. > :15:11.World War II - doing very well in the election of potentially winning.

:15:12. > :15:21.The Europe has a nasty habit of voting in the far right will stop --

:15:22. > :15:34.the far right. Finally, to send you all to bed with a nice rosy glow,

:15:35. > :15:40.someone is having twins. What do I say now? Clive didn't want to do

:15:41. > :15:47.this story. The interesting thing is, she announced her pregnancy in

:15:48. > :15:50.the style... When I announced that I put the baby scan on Facebook. She

:15:51. > :15:54.announced that by stripping down to her smalls, putting a yellow net

:15:55. > :15:57.curtain over her head, posing in front of what looked like a funeral

:15:58. > :16:03.wreath and releasing it on Instagram. And some people haven't

:16:04. > :16:12.putted on the front page. 'S! Al tell you what is frightening, Ed

:16:13. > :16:17.Balls. Front page of the Metro. Everyone likes him now. Maybe you

:16:18. > :16:28.will put them on the front of your newspaper. He was not a pin-up. He

:16:29. > :16:37.said, if I was trying to get back into politics, I wouldn't have worn

:16:38. > :16:47.a yellow suit. It is not a definite. He might be back, folks. He is

:16:48. > :16:53.flirting with us. Silence! Thanks for looking at the stories behind

:16:54. > :16:56.the headlines. It was a pleasure. Before we go, these front pages have

:16:57. > :17:04.come in while we've been on air. The FT leads on the votes to trigger

:17:05. > :17:10.Brexit. The Sun leads with the story of a judge who was furious with a

:17:11. > :17:17.woman who was called before the court for calling a man a pussy. If

:17:18. > :17:21.you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it endlessly on

:17:22. > :17:42.iPlayer. I do. I don't! Goodbye. Good evening. We are monitoring

:17:43. > :17:46.developments in the Atlantic closely. There is a potential storm

:17:47. > :17:47.for Friday. Thursday will be wet and windy enough for