:00:00. > :00:19.Hello and welcome to our look at what the the papers
:00:20. > :00:26.With me are journalist James Rampton and Dave Wooding,
:00:27. > :00:30.political editor for The Sun on Sunday.
:00:31. > :00:33.Good to have the birds looking through the papers with us. Let's
:00:34. > :00:39.have a look at the front pages. The front page of
:00:40. > :00:43.the Sunday Telegraph. The paper leads on the Government's
:00:44. > :00:46.?60 million investigation into historic allegations of abuse
:00:47. > :00:49.in Iraq, the paper says it understands that MPs are due
:00:50. > :00:51.to conclude that it's The Observer reports that
:00:52. > :00:54.Theresa May's Government is going to make a major
:00:55. > :00:56.shift in housing policy away from promoting home ownership
:00:57. > :00:59.and towards better deals Donald Trump appears to have found
:01:00. > :01:02.a new ally in the shape of the former Archbishop
:01:03. > :01:04.of Canterbury, George Carey is quoted in the Sunday Express
:01:05. > :01:07.as hitting out at the 'hysterical' overreactions of the
:01:08. > :01:11.President's critics. The Sunday Times has investigated
:01:12. > :01:16.what it calls 'deficiencies' in Defence procurement,
:01:17. > :01:19.including ships so noisy that Russian submarines can hear
:01:20. > :01:26.them 100 miles away. The photograph is of England player
:01:27. > :01:28.Ben Te'o celebrating victory over Finally, the Mail On Sunday's
:01:29. > :01:34.headline is a story about the former Ukip leader Nigel Farage,
:01:35. > :01:39.and how he is sharing a ?4 million property
:01:40. > :01:55.in West London with his friend, Let's talk about the former
:01:56. > :02:00.Archbishop of Canterbury defending Donald Trump, Donald Trump again in
:02:01. > :02:05.the news in the last few minutes of course because a court in the United
:02:06. > :02:10.States has put a block again on his appeal on the travel ban, a federal
:02:11. > :02:14.appeals court denying the Justice Department's request for a
:02:15. > :02:18.reinstatement of the travel ban. But the former Archbishop of Canterbury
:02:19. > :02:23.saying critics have been too hysterical. Yes, I think this is to
:02:24. > :02:28.terrific extort -- terrific story from the Sunday express, he said
:02:29. > :02:33.critics have had an hysterical overreaction and it is
:02:34. > :02:37.characteristic of those who consider themselves progressive to reserve
:02:38. > :02:42.condemnation for America and ignore much greater evildoers. I think that
:02:43. > :02:46.is an interesting line to take, also the fact that Trump said he would
:02:47. > :02:50.give priority to Christian migrants from some of the Middle Eastern
:02:51. > :02:54.countries, that has played well with Cary, but another religious leader,
:02:55. > :02:59.Cardinal Vincent Nichols, has said Tory political leadership does not
:03:00. > :03:04.play the fear card and that is a really good line, that when we are
:03:05. > :03:07.in the grip of what seems to be a constitutional crisis in the US,
:03:08. > :03:14.this backwards and forwards between the different courts, and the fear
:03:15. > :03:18.of what Trump is going to do, protest everywhere, I think it is
:03:19. > :03:23.scary and don't think it is an hysterical overreaction to what the
:03:24. > :03:33.leader of the free world could do. I think what Mr Carey is doing here is
:03:34. > :03:38.trying to calm down the hyperbole, people are using the word fascist,
:03:39. > :03:42.let's get it straight from a user to fascist, he is democratically
:03:43. > :03:46.elected, and he is not a dictator either because the courts are
:03:47. > :03:50.holding him to account. Although he was criticised for criticising the
:03:51. > :03:56.judge went against him. The so-called Judge! Some people in
:03:57. > :04:02.America saying that is undermining the independence of the American
:04:03. > :04:05.judiciary. The judiciary not quite as independent as ours because they
:04:06. > :04:10.are politically appointed, we the same business with the Brexit boat
:04:11. > :04:15.when some members of Government criticised the media as well for
:04:16. > :04:21.criticising... What George Carey is saying is, let's just calm down the
:04:22. > :04:25.language little bit, yes he is not an ideal president, but there are
:04:26. > :04:29.worse people around. He recalls how, when he was Archbishop of
:04:30. > :04:34.Canterbury, he was asked to supper with some rather odious people like
:04:35. > :04:39.Robert Mugabe, he mentions North Korea, Sudan, Assad, other people...
:04:40. > :04:45.But we are talking about the leader of the free world here so we should
:04:46. > :04:48.not put him in the same bracket as those people? Absolutely not but
:04:49. > :04:53.there is a greater point here, people taking to the streets about
:04:54. > :04:58.Donald Trump tend to be people of the left, you don't see them taking
:04:59. > :05:02.to the street about the president of Hungary who was criticised and built
:05:03. > :05:07.a wall of his own against immigrants, and rehab Slovakia,
:05:08. > :05:11.similar outspoken... But we are just a few days into the Trump presidency
:05:12. > :05:16.and we have this legal battle starting to unravel on this travel
:05:17. > :05:21.ban between the president and the courts. What strikes me is how
:05:22. > :05:26.cataclysmic it appears, after only two weeks, it seems there is almost
:05:27. > :05:30.a massive culture war going on in the US, and resonating throughout
:05:31. > :05:33.the world. When you have Chuck Schumer, the Democrat minority
:05:34. > :05:38.leader in the house, in tears talking about the travel ban, the
:05:39. > :05:43.long serving Democrat saying he has served with every president since
:05:44. > :05:49.forward and have never seen such catastrophic... Donald Trump said
:05:50. > :05:53.they were fake tears. Yes, he said, I must consult his acting coach,
:05:54. > :05:59.typically insulting comment in my view. This week we were talking
:06:00. > :06:04.about going down the rabbit hole and coming out at Alice's tea party,
:06:05. > :06:08.that is what I feel we are going through with Trump at the moment.
:06:09. > :06:13.Lord Carey also talks about the considerable list of goods who have
:06:14. > :06:23.served as president, some of whom railed against bids to outlaw
:06:24. > :06:30.slavery back in the day. Well, he is not wrong there! We will not go too
:06:31. > :06:35.far into the American history! John Adams was terrible! He wasn't,
:06:36. > :06:42.actually! The Observer, a story about a shift
:06:43. > :06:47.in Conservative housing policy in favour of people who rent, this is
:06:48. > :06:52.potentially significant? Yes, as they point out in the headline it is
:06:53. > :06:57.a break from the Thatcher homes revolution when she famously in the
:06:58. > :07:00.1980s gave the right to buy the council house tenants. What Theresa
:07:01. > :07:04.May seems to be focusing on with this new policy which will be
:07:05. > :07:09.unveiled on Tuesday is generation rent, she is going to try to bring
:07:10. > :07:14.down rent. Reading the details, not quite clear how she's going to do
:07:15. > :07:19.it, she is having consultations with rental organisations and at the same
:07:20. > :07:24.time trying to flood the market with more affordable rental homes to
:07:25. > :07:27.bring down the cost of rent. In a sense, the Conservatives have been
:07:28. > :07:31.forced into that because young people just cannot afford to buy. I
:07:32. > :07:37.have got three daughters approaching the age when they want to leave home
:07:38. > :07:41.and get wood of their parents! If they live in London, how can they
:07:42. > :07:46.possibly afford the rent on starting salaries? It is impossible. It is
:07:47. > :07:50.interesting that Theresa May is breaking the Thatcherite credo. I
:07:51. > :07:55.remember footage of Mrs Thatcher having a cup of tea in the first --
:07:56. > :08:00.with the first council house owners who had bought the house from the
:08:01. > :08:04.state, said this is a massive philosophical shift, but she has got
:08:05. > :08:08.to build 250,000 new houses a year to meet the target. Bringing down
:08:09. > :08:12.rent is a good thing which will affect lots of people. The
:08:13. > :08:17.underlying problem of homeownership is the number of people owning homes
:08:18. > :08:23.has fallen dramatically since 2010, 380 2000 fewer couples with children
:08:24. > :08:28.now own their own home and that, when we are trying to build a home
:08:29. > :08:33.owning democracy, is important. In other European countries, home only
:08:34. > :08:38.is not such a big deal, people take for granted the fact they will maybe
:08:39. > :08:42.read all their lives. In Germany it is given that you will do that. We
:08:43. > :08:48.have this old-fashioned phrase that an Englishman's home is his castle
:08:49. > :08:53.and I think we do believe we are a property owning democracy, but it is
:08:54. > :08:57.a market as well and if you are priced out of the market, as Theresa
:08:58. > :09:01.May is discovering, you have to find a way around that. Enabled the
:09:02. > :09:05.younger generation who you want to work to be able to live in
:09:06. > :09:09.unaffordable house. Let's go to the Mail on Sunday, Nigel Farage and
:09:10. > :09:12.some salacious allegations about him that we may not go into too much
:09:13. > :09:18.detail on! Do we know any good libel lawyers?
:09:19. > :09:24.He has gone from politics but haven't gone, in a sense. He is a
:09:25. > :09:28.colourful character, always good value and everything he does is
:09:29. > :09:33.looked at quite closely. He was asked by the Mail On Sunday a few
:09:34. > :09:39.weeks ago whether he had left his wife and said, no, we bumble along
:09:40. > :09:44.like any other couple, and now it appears he has a political friend, a
:09:45. > :09:48.bit younger than him, staying in the ?4 million bachelor pad where he
:09:49. > :09:55.spends his weekdays. He has insisted she is a friend who is staying there
:09:56. > :10:02.purely because she has nowhere else to stay at the moment, but she was
:10:03. > :10:07.involved in this funding issue which was dealt by the European Union some
:10:08. > :10:13.other time. Let's move the Sunday Times, huge gaps in British
:10:14. > :10:18.defences, all to do with defence procurement, allegations about some
:10:19. > :10:23.of our submarines which are rather noisy, apparently, the Russians can
:10:24. > :10:28.hear them from 100 miles away! I think this is a great story, it
:10:29. > :10:32.makes the MoD look a bit like the comedy of errors, in a way. Russian
:10:33. > :10:36.submarines can hear these clunky ships which sound like a box of
:10:37. > :10:43.spanners underwater from 100 miles away, and they are costing billions
:10:44. > :10:49.of pounds. There are also things about the front-line tanks that have
:10:50. > :10:53.been too polite and can't fit properly into the transporters. It
:10:54. > :10:57.is absolutely absurd that they didn't check these things before.
:10:58. > :11:03.And after all, it is our money, isn't it, and it seems Ms blue-eyed
:11:04. > :11:09.thing, oh, if this takes nine years and we have to reduce the size of
:11:10. > :11:13.the AV -- the Navy or the air force, it doesn't matter, but it does, the
:11:14. > :11:17.MoD is one of the biggest spending departments. They are staggering
:11:18. > :11:20.sums in terms of their procurement Budget, billions and billions of
:11:21. > :11:24.pounds. The last Labour Government ran into difficulty with the
:11:25. > :11:28.overspend of the Budget. ?1.2 billion worth of drones which have
:11:29. > :11:34.not been used yet because they don't work. These armoured vehicles which
:11:35. > :11:39.are faulty. One of the people interviewed here talks about how in
:11:40. > :11:44.submarines they were sticking with wooden wedges in the hatch to stop
:11:45. > :11:49.it rattling so it could not be heard by Russian submarines. He said that
:11:50. > :11:54.was a very good way of sorting the problem out! It seems very Heath
:11:55. > :11:58.Robinson. The MoD apparently as justified these noisy ships by
:11:59. > :12:05.saying, when they were ordered X years ago, we did not think we had
:12:06. > :12:09.the Cold War again, but, hello, Ukraine, increasing influence in
:12:10. > :12:14.Syria, it is very much a Cold War back on the agenda. So you think it
:12:15. > :12:19.matters if the Russian submarines can hear our ships? I do, because
:12:20. > :12:22.they have this new ship called the Black hole which is absolutely
:12:23. > :12:27.terrifying, you cannot hear it coming, it is like Harry Potter and
:12:28. > :12:32.an invisible cloak, he is there and has got you before you can see him!
:12:33. > :12:38.I thought that was the idea of submarines?! It is, but the MoD have
:12:39. > :12:43.not worked that out! They have, but the Russians have leapt ahead with
:12:44. > :12:47.their technology. The Sunday Telegraph, the Government's ?60
:12:48. > :12:52.billion investigation into those allegations of abuse in Iraq has
:12:53. > :12:55.been unfit for purpose according to a Parliamentary inquiry.
:12:56. > :13:01.All the expected conclusion of a Parliamentary inquiry. Does that
:13:02. > :13:06.surprise you? No, it is the league of an inquiry due to come out
:13:07. > :13:11.shortly, it comes in the wake of Phil Shiner, the lawyer who was
:13:12. > :13:15.struck off last week, I think he claimed ?1.6 million in fees using
:13:16. > :13:19.legal aid to drum up false allegations against our service men
:13:20. > :13:28.and women serving in Iraq, and it now seems that he was being funded
:13:29. > :13:34.to the tune of ?200,000 to his legal firm and ?110,000 I think it was
:13:35. > :13:38.wedged to this Iraqi fixer who went around drumming up business. Some of
:13:39. > :13:43.the British soldiers in the frame for this have spoken movingly about
:13:44. > :13:46.the stress it has put them under, often already suffering various
:13:47. > :13:50.kinds of post-traumatic stress anyway and then the stress of the
:13:51. > :13:55.legal battles... Absolutely, I do think that the word witch hunt is
:13:56. > :13:59.strong but I think it is justified in this case. Shiner launched nearly
:14:00. > :14:11.2500 criminal complaint against troops and so far there have been no
:14:12. > :14:14.successful prosecutions in seven years. That is an extraordinary
:14:15. > :14:18.failure rate and it does raise questions about why the MoD actually
:14:19. > :14:22.funded him and his agents to mount what may well be a witchhunt and has
:14:23. > :14:26.caused very, very unnecessary degrees of stress. It is quite right
:14:27. > :14:29.if it is going to be so strong attacking the MoD for doing that.
:14:30. > :14:33.The press have campaigned quite happily on this, on behalf of
:14:34. > :14:37.British soldiers, saying they have been unfairly, had a witchhunt
:14:38. > :14:45.against them. The MoD have said that they take the way our troops behave
:14:46. > :14:50.in theatre seriously because we are a civilised country and we look at
:14:51. > :14:55.these things. The problem is it has dragged on too long, it has been on
:14:56. > :14:59.an industrial scale, and like you, I have been out on these operations
:15:00. > :15:03.and they are very professional, by and large. What some of them were
:15:04. > :15:07.saying, I was hearing in interviews last week, that commanders make them
:15:08. > :15:11.think twice about the decisions they make in the heat of battle, trying
:15:12. > :15:15.to second-guess what kind of legal consequences they might face. It is
:15:16. > :15:19.like doctors now thinking twice about taking certain procedures
:15:20. > :15:24.because they are worried about legal action. I would say it is absolutely
:15:25. > :15:28.right that we do take action when there is evidence of wrongdoing,
:15:29. > :15:32.like in the Baha Moussa case, the Hotel receptionist who was beaten to
:15:33. > :15:36.death, quite right that people were brought up about that. It is what
:15:37. > :15:41.distinguishes us from the terrorists, the fact that we have a
:15:42. > :15:44.rule of law that we adhere to, we don't behead people we disagree
:15:45. > :15:50.with, they go through due process and I think it is right that we do
:15:51. > :15:54.that, but this seems to have gone over the top. Speaking of rules,
:15:55. > :15:58.Dave, there are certain rules to be observed will be talked about
:15:59. > :16:01.chocolate bars, which I know is a subject close to your heart!
:16:02. > :16:06.Apparently they are shrinking by credible event in a war on sugar?
:16:07. > :16:12.This is the next tabloid campaign! They will cut the size of bars by
:16:13. > :16:20.20%, I am surprised they have not blamed it on Brexit. When all is
:16:21. > :16:25.said and done people said those who voted Brexit were fruit and nut
:16:26. > :16:31.cases! But will they cut the cost of the bar by 20%? I think that is
:16:32. > :16:39.unlikely. In which case we are all being diddled. I think this is a
:16:40. > :16:43.huge scandal, the manufacturers have said, and I apologise to people
:16:44. > :16:47.having breakfast, they have not been able to do this before because the
:16:48. > :16:50.artificial sweeteners have an unfortunate effect on your stomach.
:16:51. > :16:57.God forbid chocolate causes harm because it is one of the best parts
:16:58. > :17:03.of life! I don't think we have only now, it is a little bit early! Thank
:17:04. > :17:09.you Bob, that is The Papers for now, and we will take a look at
:17:10. > :17:13.tomorrow's print pages every evening at 10:40pm here on BBC News.