:00:14. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to our look at the Sunday papers.
:00:16. > :00:17.With me are the broadcaster and journalist Shyama Peireria,
:00:18. > :00:20.and Peter Conradi, who's foreign editor at the Sunday Times.
:00:21. > :00:28.First up the Observer, it's reporting what it calls
:00:29. > :00:31."unprecedented criticism" by a group of leading retired bishops over
:00:32. > :00:33.the Church of England's stance on lesbian, gay
:00:34. > :00:39.While the Mail on Sunday looks back at a supposed exchange
:00:40. > :00:42.between Diane Abbott and the Brexit secretary David Davis,
:00:43. > :00:44.that's said to have happened after the vote to trigger
:00:45. > :00:47.The Sunday Telegraph focuses on Commons speaker John Bercow
:00:48. > :00:51.and his controversial comments about Donald Trump's visit,
:00:52. > :00:55.also mentioning there that the President may go to areas
:00:56. > :00:59.of the UK that voted heavily to leave the EU.
:01:00. > :01:02.The Sunday Express is also looking ahead to that visit and says
:01:03. > :01:05.Mr Trump will "speak to the people" at a stadium rally with the proceeds
:01:06. > :01:14.Domestic politics take the lead in the Sunday Times,
:01:15. > :01:16.it says secret succession planning is under way for the next Labour
:01:17. > :01:31.Thank you both very much indeed for joining us. Let's start with that
:01:32. > :01:35.story which makes it to quite a few papers, speculating about what is
:01:36. > :01:40.going to happen on Donald Trump's visit. We're hearing on the front
:01:41. > :01:44.page of the Sunday Telegraph that he is going to head to the leave
:01:45. > :01:49.heartland which we know as the Midlands. Exactly. It's great, isn't
:01:50. > :01:54.it? He's thinking that what we in the House of Commons, where can I
:01:55. > :02:01.go? What's more trompe like than a big stadium in the Midlands? It'll
:02:02. > :02:06.be interesting to see what reception he gets. It isn't unprecedented for
:02:07. > :02:13.a state visit to break out of London and speak in a stadium. No, the
:02:14. > :02:18.Indian leader came and addressed a rally in Wembley Stadium and Cameron
:02:19. > :02:23.came on stage at the end of it, so there is the president. It seems
:02:24. > :02:28.curious and at a rally by Donald Trump will be curious. Will Theresa
:02:29. > :02:31.May come on at the end with the final icing on the cake? They seem
:02:32. > :02:36.to be worried about having Donald Trump in London. What makes me laugh
:02:37. > :02:41.is they haven't done the homework because the West Midlands is the
:02:42. > :02:45.heartland of Asian populations and black populations, and what was so
:02:46. > :02:49.surprising is that these strong Labour strongholds all voted leave
:02:50. > :02:53.but they are still Labour strongholds, they are quite
:02:54. > :02:56.open-minded people who, for whatever reason, chose to vote to leave. He's
:02:57. > :03:01.going to have a lot of trouble filling stadiums unless turkeys
:03:02. > :03:09.aren't going to vote for Christmas by going to support a man who's
:03:10. > :03:15.going to ban people who look like them. All these people will come
:03:16. > :03:19.down to this stadium and have the Toronto case, they will start
:03:20. > :03:26.talking in tongues after seeing Mr Trump! You can't imagine it. Once
:03:27. > :03:31.they've finished there, they will be passing out at the alter while he is
:03:32. > :03:35.speaking. A lot of people will come along to hear him for the novelty
:03:36. > :03:40.value. To see this extraordinary phenomenon in the flesh would be...
:03:41. > :03:45.I think it would be fascinating. Lots of people will turn out to
:03:46. > :03:50.protest, it will turn into a huge event. The best way of protesting
:03:51. > :03:54.would be to not turn up, not buy tickets and not be there because the
:03:55. > :03:59.fewer people there are, the less of a story it is. If he does speak in
:04:00. > :04:02.the West Midlands, assuming you're against Donald Trump and not
:04:03. > :04:08.everyone knows, it strikes me the best thing to do is not to go at
:04:09. > :04:13.all. It is very good cause, you see. The proceeds will go to the Poppy
:04:14. > :04:19.appeal. Are you saying the British Legion will say we will take your
:04:20. > :04:24.money? I don't think so, dream on! That's the story the Sunday Express
:04:25. > :04:29.has. President plans spectacular UK rally to help war veterans. Donald
:04:30. > :04:35.Trump will snub parliament, interesting to see which way round
:04:36. > :04:40.that might work. All the proceeds will go to the Poppy appeal. It is
:04:41. > :04:45.going to be hugely controversial, isn't it? Before we get carried
:04:46. > :04:51.away, this story is in two papers, it is thinly sourced, a lot of
:04:52. > :04:54.anonymous people not making very clear what and where we're getting
:04:55. > :05:01.this story from so let's see what happens. Our veterans are veterans
:05:02. > :05:04.because they fought against people who had policy similar to those
:05:05. > :05:09.mooted by Donald Trump and I don't think they'll be wanting his money.
:05:10. > :05:14.You suspect, though, the team in Downing Street, having rushed out
:05:15. > :05:21.this invitation to Donald Trump rather swiftly compared to those
:05:22. > :05:24.other US presidents, and he is hugely controversial since the ban
:05:25. > :05:28.which is in trouble in the US courts, you suspect Downing Street
:05:29. > :05:34.are going to be working overtime to work out how on earth this visit
:05:35. > :05:38.will work without it becoming too hugely controversial. Exactly. As
:05:39. > :05:43.you see when Theresa May went over to the States recently, the offer of
:05:44. > :05:46.a state visit at such an early stage in the relationship, you can
:05:47. > :05:50.understand with Grexit looming we are looking for friends, and there
:05:51. > :05:56.is a desperate need to ingratiate ourselves. He's already having to
:05:57. > :06:00.backtrack on every single policy that he has raised. He's had to
:06:01. > :06:06.accept one China, he's had to go back on the Muslim ban. By then, he
:06:07. > :06:11.might be lying on the floor of the White House weeping into his Twitter
:06:12. > :06:17.feed, unable to function. Who knows. Wishful thinking, I think. The
:06:18. > :06:22.Sunday Telegraph has this story about hackers targeting our kettles.
:06:23. > :06:26.The alarming prospect that somebody might find out what time I'm making
:06:27. > :06:33.my cup of tea in the morning. It is alarming stuff. It is fridges,
:06:34. > :06:38.driverless cars, what will be next? Bread makers, cappuccino machines?
:06:39. > :06:47.God knows. Underlying this, there is a serious point. This is all about
:06:48. > :06:50.the Security Centre opening up in GCHQ. One of the fears is with the
:06:51. > :06:54.Internet of things, all these appliances in the home that connect
:06:55. > :06:57.to the Internet, there are ways of getting into these devices from afar
:06:58. > :07:02.and turning them around and harnessing all this computing power
:07:03. > :07:08.to attack websites, to bring down websites. On a serious note, we have
:07:09. > :07:14.seen this happen with the Russians involved in attacks on Estonia, in
:07:15. > :07:19.Ukraine also, which, ridiculous as this sounds, you can actually bring
:07:20. > :07:23.down websites and do serious damage. This whole issue of cyber security
:07:24. > :07:27.is quite a serious one. There was an attack on a French TV station last
:07:28. > :07:30.year. I have to say whenever we're talking about terrorist attacks
:07:31. > :07:35.anywhere in the West, I always think what they have to do is bring down
:07:36. > :07:38.the National Grid, isn't it? We were having this conversation outside
:07:39. > :07:43.where we said all you need to do is randomly attack people in cars. Not
:07:44. > :07:49.driverless cars but smart cars. You are on Bluetooth, so your car can be
:07:50. > :07:53.hacked into. If you did ten random people in a major city, it would be
:07:54. > :08:03.chaos. We're not giving people ideas here! That is the way of the future.
:08:04. > :08:08.Of course, the other more immediate future preoccupying everybody is
:08:09. > :08:13.Brexit. The Daily Mail has gone to town... I can say this is the
:08:14. > :08:19.biggest confrontation wincing over Brexit but this was David Davis, the
:08:20. > :08:25.minister in charge of the Brexit process, and his meeting with Diane
:08:26. > :08:29.Abbott after the big vote. Which everybody said was a kiss. And the
:08:30. > :08:34.Mail on Sunday has finally got the truth which, apparently is that
:08:35. > :08:38.David David went to whisper and Diane Abbott's year after she voted
:08:39. > :08:41.to trigger an Article 50, thanks for your support. It may have looked
:08:42. > :08:47.like he was kissing her but he was saying thanks for your support. That
:08:48. > :08:55.was why she said expletive off to him because she was furious. And she
:08:56. > :08:59.was following blindly Jeromy. So it was the wrong Piper coming to thank
:09:00. > :09:04.her for playing the tune. It sounds like an extraordinary altercation
:09:05. > :09:08.because Diane Abbott had missed a previous vote and a lot of her
:09:09. > :09:11.colleagues were accused her of having Grexit flew because she never
:09:12. > :09:16.really wanted to vote the Brexit, then she felt she had to because the
:09:17. > :09:26.Labour leader was urging her to. It is the minute -- malady you get over
:09:27. > :09:30.quickly. It is such a trivial story. Is there nothing else happening in
:09:31. > :09:34.the world all week for the Mail on Sunday to lead on whether or not
:09:35. > :09:38.David Davis tried to give Diane Abbott a hug? It has been a big
:09:39. > :09:44.thing on Twitter, accusing him of sexism. What I think is interesting
:09:45. > :09:48.is that polarisation, where the idea that somebody who is a Tory can't
:09:49. > :09:54.kiss somebody who is Labour... I'm sure if it was Michael Portillo, she
:09:55. > :09:59.would've said fine. I'm sure when her son was in the city of London
:10:00. > :10:02.School, plenty of MPs at parents evening probably kissed her so it
:10:03. > :10:06.was fine. The question is have we got the stage where we can't even
:10:07. > :10:13.kiss someone who doesn't think the as you? The texts seem to have been
:10:14. > :10:20.the rocketry of Diane Abbott. This is just the Twitter effect, put a
:10:21. > :10:25.nonsense. Maybe I'm old-fashioned. A couple more stories. Not on the
:10:26. > :10:29.front page of the Sunday Times but looking at Samantha Cameron's new
:10:30. > :10:35.role. She is now focusing on her fashion label. Her husband is
:10:36. > :10:39.dealing with the childcare. This is great, splashed all over the Sunday
:10:40. > :10:46.Times today and in the style section. It is a launch with
:10:47. > :10:51.Samantha Cameron's clothing range. It gives us an insight into life at
:10:52. > :10:55.the Camerons, which, according to this account, appears to be exactly
:10:56. > :11:00.as you'd imagine it to be. He's saying all the things... He's
:11:01. > :11:03.spending more time with the children before, they are loving it. She
:11:04. > :11:09.comes in the evening and says, I don't think I can do this, darling.
:11:10. > :11:13.He says, come on, glass of wine, you can do it. It is very
:11:14. > :11:18.upper-middle-class, it delict of life. I think it is lovely, it is
:11:19. > :11:21.very posh and Becks. She is now going into fashion so now will
:11:22. > :11:28.probably have letters from David Cameron saying, why wasn't I made
:11:29. > :11:32.Sir or Lord! I think this is great. It is a great reversal of roles. I
:11:33. > :11:36.think it is completely all right for one partner to step back while the
:11:37. > :11:42.other partner is making their name. And then for that to happen in
:11:43. > :11:47.reverse. I think a wash and go collection from this mother... Is it
:11:48. > :11:53.wash and go? Nothing you have to iron, apparently. Also what I like
:11:54. > :11:59.anyway is just that she is coming into her own. She was raising four
:12:00. > :12:02.children all the time... Obviously, they lost one, sadly, but all the
:12:03. > :12:09.time he was a Number Ten, so this is a woman who was on the edge, you
:12:10. > :12:13.know? Good for her. And she had to fulfil that almost impossible role
:12:14. > :12:17.of Prime minister's wife because it is very difficult to get that one
:12:18. > :12:22.right. It is. It is like being a minor royal. If you don't do
:12:23. > :12:27.something or nothing, you get blamed for it. If you have some alternative
:12:28. > :12:34.career, you are cashing in. Good luck to her. Let's see what Mr may
:12:35. > :12:40.does, can't wait to see what he does next. Let's have a look at the
:12:41. > :12:45.Sunday people. I'll sue Lotto after ?1 million win. I was too young to
:12:46. > :12:49.scoop the jackpot and my life is ruined! Huge sympathy for this
:12:50. > :12:54.woman. This is an extraordinary story. This is a play on money
:12:55. > :13:01.changed my way of life. It has. And we have this wonderful story of what
:13:02. > :13:07.does she do with the money? She won at 17, she bought an ?18,000 purple
:13:08. > :13:12.range Rover. What else? Lots of parties in upmarket places, holidays
:13:13. > :13:15.and so on. But she isn't happy. She thinks boyfriends are after her for
:13:16. > :13:21.her money, friends are treating her in a different way. She just says
:13:22. > :13:25.you should have a higher age limit on it because getting a tad 17, you
:13:26. > :13:31.haven't got a clue and it can ruin her life, which she claims it has
:13:32. > :13:35.because she can only go to upmarket resorts. But it comes after a spat
:13:36. > :13:39.in McDonalds. So she's obviously eating with the rest of us. I'm sure
:13:40. > :13:44.all of us have had those conversations, what would you do if
:13:45. > :13:48.you ?1 million? We talk about the lovely time we'd have. If you've
:13:49. > :13:52.gone from a situation where you have very little and then you have huge
:13:53. > :13:57.pressure on you, everyone is expecting you to donate to their
:13:58. > :14:01.good cause or by the drinks, quite be difficult adjustment make. It's
:14:02. > :14:05.obvious it transforms your life. She was coming from not a wealthy
:14:06. > :14:10.background, living on a council estate in Edinburgh. To have all
:14:11. > :14:14.this money, the positive side is, buried in here, she has bought two
:14:15. > :14:20.flats with the money, she's got a new home for herself. It hasn't gone
:14:21. > :14:24.completely wrong for her. It is important to just create a
:14:25. > :14:32.framework, I think, for the young. And she must continue buying tickets
:14:33. > :14:36.because it pays for our heritage and our arts. Thank you both, Peter
:14:37. > :14:37.Conradi and Shyama Peireria. Thank you for talking is through the
:14:38. > :15:02.Sunday papers. York Minster's own police forces
:15:03. > :15:06.been given the same power of arrest as regular constables within the
:15:07. > :15:08.cathedral and its boundaries. York Minster is only one of five
:15:09. > :15:10.cathedrals in the world