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:00:00. > :00:10.Ladbroke challenge cup is about. It's about going in. It is a it will

:00:11. > :00:11.be hard. Salford had a great win last week against Castleford. He

:00:12. > :00:21.enjoys great success plenty more here on hello and welcome you to

:00:22. > :00:30.look ahead at what the papers will bring us. Welcome to both of you. A

:00:31. > :00:35.look at those front pages first of all. Starting with the match which

:00:36. > :00:37.leads on the decision to ban electronic devices on flights to the

:00:38. > :00:49.UK from some Middle Eastern countries. The i talks about Martin

:00:50. > :00:59.McGuinness as the killer who turn to peace. The Daily Telegraph talks

:01:00. > :01:07.about fears of a new terror plot. In the times, a flight ban on laptops

:01:08. > :01:19.after new bomb fears. In the Daily Express, there is a story about a

:01:20. > :01:24.breakthrough on Alzheimer's. Let's begin with the i. Let's talk about

:01:25. > :01:29.the killer who turned to peace. Absolutely. I do not think there has

:01:30. > :01:33.been some quite so divisive as Martin McGuinness. You can see

:01:34. > :01:38.clearly on the front page can at one point or he is described as an IRA

:01:39. > :01:46.commander. Then the architect of the Good Friday Agreement. It is someone

:01:47. > :01:49.who has had to phases of his life. Juxtaposed there we have how the

:01:50. > :01:54.victims families have reacted to it today with a line here is saying,

:01:55. > :01:59.with his death, the truth is buried. I think we can see he is a hugely

:02:00. > :02:04.divisive character. I am sure there will be a huge mixture of opinions

:02:05. > :02:09.going on for the next few days. It has been a complicate its story to

:02:10. > :02:13.tell. I liked what your correspondent summed up earlier

:02:14. > :02:17.today. A legacy of contradictions was the expression. You know, it is

:02:18. > :02:24.understandable, given on the one hand the background as a provisional

:02:25. > :02:29.IRA terrorist, and the reaction of the families. If you have lost a

:02:30. > :02:34.family member or more than one family member, would you ever

:02:35. > :02:41.forgive Martin McGuinness and the IRA? I very much doubt it. On the

:02:42. > :02:47.other hand, some people have. You know, we have also seen today Colin

:02:48. > :02:52.Parry, who lost his 12-year-old son tragically in Warrington. He met

:02:53. > :02:57.Martin McGuinness. Several times. Then, of course, you hear from the

:02:58. > :03:04.politicians, who while pointing out this black past on Martin

:03:05. > :03:10.McGuinness, some who were involved very closely, who I know were

:03:11. > :03:14.involved in the famous agreement, the Easter agreement, say without

:03:15. > :03:19.Martin McGuinness there would not be the peace there is today. It will be

:03:20. > :03:23.up to the historians I suppose in the future to get to the bottom of

:03:24. > :03:28.it. The idea of without him the peace not been possible is, to an

:03:29. > :03:33.extent, due to what other members of the IRA thought of him. Without him,

:03:34. > :03:40.they would not probably have followed suit, we are told.

:03:41. > :03:43.Absolutely. He is a leading light. That is probably at great personal

:03:44. > :03:46.risk to himself that he pursued the Good Friday Agreement, so when the

:03:47. > :03:55.papers were signed and he led on that issue. I think that he is

:03:56. > :04:00.someone who, historians will look back on him and have different

:04:01. > :04:04.opinions on it and judge. What we can probably safely say is he took a

:04:05. > :04:09.huge personal risk and that has to be commended in some way. Just from

:04:10. > :04:15.looking at the papers as well, people have chosen to follow this in

:04:16. > :04:20.various different ways. The i paper has a picture of him on the front

:04:21. > :04:25.whereas other papers have chosen to show the procession, the Coffin, the

:04:26. > :04:29.flag. The newspaper editors today there is probably a bit of decision

:04:30. > :04:36.on how we will do this, how will put this man on the front of our papers.

:04:37. > :04:43.The big question is, what happened a long Martin McGuinness's journey

:04:44. > :04:48.from provisional IRA commander to senior politician, Deputy First

:04:49. > :04:52.Minister of Ireland? What was the catalyst for change? Was it as Lord

:04:53. > :04:56.Tebbit says, he was a coward and saw what was coming down the road and

:04:57. > :05:01.thought, hey, I am a man of peace, as Lord Tebbit put it, rather

:05:02. > :05:09.cynically. But understandably, as I say. Or, was it something better

:05:10. > :05:12.than that? Indeed, what happened to Ian Paisley? A different journey

:05:13. > :05:18.which ended up with the Chuckle Brothers. I think you could say

:05:19. > :05:23.perhaps there was a strategy there and it was to push things to a

:05:24. > :05:27.constitutional agreement. He was successful in doing that. We have to

:05:28. > :05:32.say his last act was actually to bring down the assembly. We are

:05:33. > :05:35.looking forward now to next week and to see how the power-sharing

:05:36. > :05:40.arrangement will be brought back together. Might it be that his

:05:41. > :05:47.legacy, actually, will be to put greater pressure on the current

:05:48. > :05:51.Ulster politicians to reach some sort of agreement again? I wondered

:05:52. > :05:56.if you are hearing anything along those lines at Westminster? It

:05:57. > :06:03.crystallised things today. There will be expediency and speed about

:06:04. > :06:06.it. Very much getting on with it. The Secretary of State for Northern

:06:07. > :06:11.Ireland has been in talks over the last few days, trying to hone in on

:06:12. > :06:16.the process. Do you think it has been, certainly in my lifetime, a

:06:17. > :06:21.lot longer than yours, the most extraordinary thing that has

:06:22. > :06:25.happened politically in my lifetime? The Queen shaking hands with Martin

:06:26. > :06:33.McGuinness. Certainly that. You have followed events over over the years

:06:34. > :06:36.quite closely. You talked about the Chuckle Brothers, the coming

:06:37. > :06:40.together of two extremes politically. Before you had the

:06:41. > :06:47.David Trimble, John Hume combination. It did not quite get

:06:48. > :06:57.there. People forget that there was a previous agreements, of course, in

:06:58. > :07:01.the 1970s, that crumbled because of the opposition from somebody called

:07:02. > :07:07.Paisley. And indeed the IRA, provisional IRA. This could be a

:07:08. > :07:11.fresh start. These are two ladies who could be working together in the

:07:12. > :07:16.future. We have not had that situation before. As we continued

:07:17. > :07:20.talking about him, let's go to the Daily Telegraph rampage. We were

:07:21. > :07:23.talking about different pictures. Here is an example of one where they

:07:24. > :07:27.have shown a picture of his coffin being carried through the streets of

:07:28. > :07:34.Londonderry but also the headline, taking more of this line on the

:07:35. > :07:39.victim 's secrets. Those, David, who are highly critical of him, one of

:07:40. > :07:44.the points he was making was he knew a good deal more than he has ever

:07:45. > :07:54.told us. He did. How many other people did? Having said that, an

:07:55. > :07:58.interesting point. In 2007, it is alleged that Martin McGuinness was

:07:59. > :08:05.not prosecuted for his alleged role in the 1972 bombing because of

:08:06. > :08:08.political pressure. Where that political pressure was coming from

:08:09. > :08:14.within the police and where was the pressure on the police coming from,

:08:15. > :08:19.one wonders? The fragility of that agreement in Northern Ireland is

:08:20. > :08:22.very evident today. Just a final word at Westminster. Sinn Fein

:08:23. > :08:29.representatives have never taken their seats to Westminster. In terms

:08:30. > :08:33.of representation there, working at Westminster, you never see them in

:08:34. > :08:38.the flesh. That is true. You hear from the DUP a lot. They are

:08:39. > :08:44.extremely vocal on the floor of the House of Commons. We have been

:08:45. > :08:49.thrust into a different world. From the Westminster bubble to go back

:08:50. > :08:53.over to Stormont today, it has been interesting. Let's move on to the

:08:54. > :09:00.other big story of the evening. Take us to the front page of the times.

:09:01. > :09:06.Again, what was the catalyst here? What is the catalyst for the

:09:07. > :09:13.security, later security clamp-down? Was it fears of an active terror

:09:14. > :09:18.plot, as some of the newspapers are suggesting today? Or, as the Times

:09:19. > :09:26.is suggesting, is it a more general concern involving Al-Qaeda in

:09:27. > :09:32.Lebanon, not in Lebanon, in Yemen, being desperate to bring down a

:09:33. > :09:42.plane. Your travel experts, there aren't many of them. We found two

:09:43. > :09:47.this evening. You found two. The legendary Simon Calder was battle by

:09:48. > :09:52.it. A bomb is a bomb, whether it is in the hold or the hand luggage, it

:09:53. > :09:57.would seem to me. I have come back in the past few days from the States

:09:58. > :10:04.for .my wife, when she opened her case at home, discovers a letter

:10:05. > :10:10.from the US Department saying that, lucky woman that she is, her case

:10:11. > :10:13.had been taken apart in Miami airport and three packs, rather

:10:14. > :10:18.beautifully I have to say, probably better than the original. That is

:10:19. > :10:22.the level of some of the security in the States. The other point is that

:10:23. > :10:27.people have to have confidence in their being a good reason behind

:10:28. > :10:31.this because it will clearly inconvenienced people. Absolutely.

:10:32. > :10:38.It'll be a ban on your tablets. Some of your larger mobile phones, on

:10:39. > :10:42.games. Gaming devices. DVD players. Those are from a lesser point of

:10:43. > :10:46.view, the kind of items you want to keep your family occupied on a

:10:47. > :10:55.really long flight. It will be a huge inconvenience, also for

:10:56. > :10:58.business travellers as well. Not being able to use your laptop. I am

:10:59. > :11:00.sure you do trust the security. The UK is on a severe terror threat

:11:01. > :11:06.anyway. You can understand why these things do come in. They'll be very

:11:07. > :11:12.hard to work with this, I think. I want to squeeze two more stories.

:11:13. > :11:17.You have both picked one. Kate, the front of the capital Telegraph, I

:11:18. > :11:21.would be happy to grow GM crops on my estate, says Princess Ann. If

:11:22. > :11:23.you're going to pick a row with your sibling, I'm not sure I would choose

:11:24. > :11:51.GM crops. On the one hand we have Princess Anne, who says you

:11:52. > :11:53.be happy to grow GM crops on her estate. That contrasts with the

:11:54. > :11:55.Prince of Wales, who was a patron of the soil Association and is

:11:56. > :11:58.well-known for his promotion of organic goods. What I really like

:11:59. > :12:01.about what Princess Anne has to say on GM crops, she says she wants to

:12:02. > :12:04.do this for the right value. She is interested in the cost and trying to

:12:05. > :12:06.make things cost effective for people. She is looking at this from

:12:07. > :12:09.a public perspective. I think she has the mass public in mind when she

:12:10. > :12:12.is talking about it. This is coming from an interview which is coming on

:12:13. > :12:18.Farming Today tomorrow morning. What do you think? Brothers against

:12:19. > :12:23.sisters on something like this. Princess am is quite used to getting

:12:24. > :12:30.a bad press. My instinct is she will get quite a good press on this. It

:12:31. > :12:36.is very unusual for her to join in what could be a press battle with

:12:37. > :12:40.her brother. But, good for her. I think she is misunderstood. She has

:12:41. > :12:45.been misunderstood over the years and has done a lot of very good work

:12:46. > :12:48.for our country. I do not think we would suggest that brother and

:12:49. > :12:52.sister have sat down and had an argument about this. Do you think

:12:53. > :12:59.they might have had a phone call or a chat? You never know. It is fun to

:13:00. > :13:07.speculate. David Guetta a curse to the Express. This is a rail strike

:13:08. > :13:13.on the Grand National day in Liverpool. I am sceptical about how

:13:14. > :13:18.many racegoers at the Grand National use Merseyrail. Let's assume a

:13:19. > :13:27.significant number of them do. You do wonder what genius inside the RMT

:13:28. > :13:36.has decided that the Grand National day is the day to have a strike on

:13:37. > :13:42.those trains? It is... It defeats all logic. If you're trying to win

:13:43. > :13:45.public support, not least on Merseyside, and in the north-west of

:13:46. > :13:55.England full that this is a fantastic day. I shared a government

:13:56. > :14:00.enquiry on the listed events. The one glaring example was called the

:14:01. > :14:04.Grand National. It will be Merseyrail and a really trains north

:14:05. > :14:08.and seven all set to walk out on April eight. No one is here to

:14:09. > :14:14.answer your question otherwise we could have posted. That is it. Thank

:14:15. > :14:18.you both very much indeed. Don't forget you can see the front pages

:14:19. > :14:23.of the papers online on the BBC News website. It is all there. Seven days

:14:24. > :14:28.a week. If you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it later

:14:29. > :14:39.on the BBC I play. Thank you, Kate. Goodbye.

:14:40. > :14:47.Hello. Good evening. More icy conditions overnight across Scotland

:14:48. > :14:48.and some more snow as well, mainly for the hills of northern