:00:07. > :00:21.Welcome back. A look at the papers. With me is the former Pensions
:00:22. > :00:28.Minister and from the Evening Standard. Only one story. The
:00:29. > :00:34.Westminster story. A picture of the police surrounding the attacker. The
:00:35. > :00:39.headline on your screen. The Daily Express uses a similar photo. It
:00:40. > :00:45.covers the MP who tried to save the life of police officer Keith Palmer.
:00:46. > :00:53.MP Tobias Ellwood shown helping paramedics. The time is also uses
:00:54. > :00:59.its front page to show a picture of the attack. Here is The Daily
:01:00. > :01:07.Telegraph, opening with Theresa May's message saying that terror is
:01:08. > :01:12.doomed to fail. And The Daily Mirror showing an attack on democracy.
:01:13. > :01:19.Paramedics taking away the attacker on a stretcher. And the Daily Mail
:01:20. > :01:29.has another picture of the attacker. A close-up. Just one more, the i.
:01:30. > :01:35.Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood trying to save Keith Palmer in the
:01:36. > :01:41.aftermath of the attack. Let us begin. Just before we start with the
:01:42. > :01:48.Guardian, we will look at a picture of the day, everyone trying to save
:01:49. > :01:52.poor old Keith Palmer, 48 years old, 15 years of service, a father and
:01:53. > :01:57.husband. What did you hear in your office? Did you know the enormity of
:01:58. > :02:03.what was happening? Not at the time did I realise. I just heard
:02:04. > :02:14.unbelievable commotion and shouting. Now, with hindsight, obviously, the
:02:15. > :02:18.shots and the sirens and helicopters. It was almost instant.
:02:19. > :02:28.It sounded like a demonstration. I have never heard such commotion. Our
:02:29. > :02:34.hearts go out to Palmer's family. These are brave policemen who put
:02:35. > :02:38.their lives on the line to save us. You don't expect these things do
:02:39. > :02:42.happen but when they do, it hits home. It is something else to run
:02:43. > :02:48.towards danger when everyone else goes away from it. Absolutely. And
:02:49. > :02:53.the courage they showed just to keep our society going. Of course, the
:02:54. > :02:58.whole thing does raise questions about security. Shouldn't all
:02:59. > :03:05.policemen at Westminster be armed, because he was not armed. And also
:03:06. > :03:09.security. You are talking specifically about policemen around
:03:10. > :03:15.Westminster, the complex of Westminster. They should always
:03:16. > :03:20.preserve the society we have. But whether we should have better
:03:21. > :03:24.security at Westminster, whether certain areas of Westminster should
:03:25. > :03:29.not be open to the public... I mean, we must look at it. But we must
:03:30. > :03:34.carry on the way we do, of course. With Buckingham Palace and ten
:03:35. > :03:39.Downing St, this is it. It is the heart of our government and the
:03:40. > :03:43.heart of the seat of power, really. What is worrying about this is that
:03:44. > :03:51.this terrorist was armed with a knife which looks like a kitchen
:03:52. > :03:59.knife. A pen knife, almost. And he drove a 4X4. No, it was a big
:04:00. > :04:04.hunting knife. We will look for a picture. This man was running at a
:04:05. > :04:09.man who was crazed and running at him. And he had no defence in that
:04:10. > :04:13.sense. Yet he did not flinch. He went forward to do his job, knowing,
:04:14. > :04:19.probably, that he was certainly putting his life at risk. Our
:04:20. > :04:23.policeman really do guard our Parliament and there are policemen
:04:24. > :04:28.all the time around that area, but not all are armed. It look so this
:04:29. > :04:32.was a weak spot in security. Security around all of the areas of
:04:33. > :04:36.Parliament and Downing Street has been hugely tightened. We should
:04:37. > :04:43.always look at the way, and this happened in Nice and Berlin, how
:04:44. > :05:09.terrorists are using cars. Correct. The way they are using... We think
:05:10. > :05:12.of terror as highly specialised. You know, bombs being made and that sort
:05:13. > :05:15.of thing, and we direct our surveillance to that. It was a
:05:16. > :05:18.Hyundai... How many people have those. They say they know what
:05:19. > :05:28.inspired him. You would imagine someone claims responsibility. It is
:05:29. > :05:38.a year to the day that the attack happened in Brussels. The 22nd of
:05:39. > :05:41.March. The Monis Brown Ideye in -- modus operandi in Nice was clear. We
:05:42. > :05:49.should look at pedestrians, should they get as close to Parliament?
:05:50. > :05:54.Those sorts of things will have a proper further review of security. I
:05:55. > :05:59.just feel so terrible for people who have lost their lives, their
:06:00. > :06:03.families and friends, and who are seriously ill. And the visitors on
:06:04. > :06:08.Westminster Bridge who have just walked... I mean, any of us could
:06:09. > :06:14.have been there. Absolutely. Let us look at the Express. Can you see the
:06:15. > :06:21.red ring there? That is the knife. You can see it is almost twice the
:06:22. > :06:25.size of that policemen's boot. It is a substantial weapon. If they know
:06:26. > :06:28.the identity of this man, obviously it will raise questions about
:06:29. > :06:34.whether they missed something. And at what point do you arrest someone?
:06:35. > :06:40.You cannot watch everyone all the time. You absolutely cannot. That is
:06:41. > :06:44.where there is the bravery of our security forces to put themselves on
:06:45. > :06:47.the line, because you know that you cannot save everybody, and they are
:06:48. > :06:55.there waiting to protect people. But as we have seen today, sadly, there
:06:56. > :07:01.are some times you cannot protect without shutting down lives. This is
:07:02. > :07:06.not going to change our way of life. We will never give in to terror. All
:07:07. > :07:10.three of us go to Westminster quite regularly. Presumably we have walked
:07:11. > :07:19.over Westminster Bridge to the Palace of Westminster. Should there
:07:20. > :07:26.be bollards across? Do you just have to accept there is a risk? We need
:07:27. > :07:30.to look at the safety of pedestrians in that area. I will be there
:07:31. > :07:34.tomorrow and I will go over that bridge and I will go through there.
:07:35. > :07:40.We must not let this damage our way of life. But if there are
:07:41. > :07:42.adjustments we can make they will obviously... I think we can minor
:07:43. > :07:49.adjustments which safeguard... We need to make it more difficult for
:07:50. > :07:54.somebody minded to do this to just walk in. At the same time, if we
:07:55. > :07:59.make it completely a fortress, then in a way we have destroyed the
:08:00. > :08:09.idea... Parliament is a place where we should all be able to go. You can
:08:10. > :08:12.do different things. I was that Birmingham Town Hall recently and it
:08:13. > :08:16.has bollards that go up and down. You don't need to obstruct it all
:08:17. > :08:20.the time. You can see still see a wonderful view of Parliament from
:08:21. > :08:23.the other side of the road, not necessarily from the pavement
:08:24. > :08:29.immediately next to Parliament. To stock the car, they would need
:08:30. > :08:36.bollards across Westminster Bridge, which would be an intrusion of the
:08:37. > :08:40.way we live. -- stop. In my opinion. It looks like he was trying to enter
:08:41. > :08:45.the other Muntari estate through the side railings where there are the
:08:46. > :08:49.big black bollards on the street. The railings were too strong for
:08:50. > :08:52.him. Then he ran around because the pavement is right next to
:08:53. > :08:59.Parliament, and get in. But obviously they practise for this an
:09:00. > :09:06.awful lot. You would always hope they never need to use it. But on
:09:07. > :09:10.the weekend. And if you look at the building of Parliament, there is a
:09:11. > :09:14.concrete wall that is huge to stop the public, because they queue up.
:09:15. > :09:27.It was really a weak point on the corner to let it in. A weak point
:09:28. > :09:32.there, because at many times of the day that gate is open because cars
:09:33. > :09:35.have to go in and out. If you allow pedestrians on that side of the
:09:36. > :09:39.road, in theory, like happens today, they would be able to get through,
:09:40. > :09:42.even if they have to wait until the car gets out. Policemen are waiting
:09:43. > :09:45.there, they blew the whistle, and they stop pedestrians coming across
:09:46. > :09:49.the driveway when cars are coming out. But if we have no pedestrians
:09:50. > :09:52.on that particular side of the pavement, then there would not
:09:53. > :09:56.necessarily have been any pedestrians in the way of the car
:09:57. > :10:00.going across, and there would not have been any way in which he could
:10:01. > :10:04.have just run around and gone in that way. But police will be looking
:10:05. > :10:11.at that. We will learn from it. You cannot have 100% security. There
:10:12. > :10:24.will always be someone willing to exploit exploits. At least it was a
:10:25. > :10:28.lone attacker, not a group of people like has happened before. We need to
:10:29. > :10:31.know more about him and whether he had a motivation and whether there
:10:32. > :10:34.is a backup team somewhere. We will find out. We salute the
:10:35. > :10:42.extraordinary bravery of Keith Palmer, but also the selflessness of
:10:43. > :10:48.Conservatives MP Tobias Ellwood. And he lost his brother in the Bali
:10:49. > :10:53.Bombing. It is a former soldier, he would be used to this. All the
:10:54. > :10:59.others were ushering him back and he said "no." He is, apparently
:11:00. > :11:09.according to the reports in the i, he was trying to give life-support,
:11:10. > :11:17.mouth-to-mouth, to PC Palmer. You can see a picture on the back of the
:11:18. > :11:23.i. We heard of MPs being ushered back into Portcullis House, and he
:11:24. > :11:26.went through them, and someone said it looked like was on mission.
:11:27. > :11:32.Having lost a brother to terrorism and having been in the forces, this
:11:33. > :11:38.is something he had seen, and I guess he felt, you know, all credit
:11:39. > :11:47.to him in a way, responsibility. I saw an interview of someone, an MP
:11:48. > :11:52.in the Parliament lockdown, and he said it is less than a year since
:11:53. > :12:05.poor old Jo Cox was murdered, and it is on the back of MPs' minds. We
:12:06. > :12:11.have to have an open mind. There are precautions we can take, but we have
:12:12. > :12:19.to have extra security. Douglas, to a certain extent. If you like the
:12:20. > :12:27.value of what MPs do, well, it has gone down a bit. If you want to
:12:28. > :12:35.encourage the feeling, and I think with Jo Cox and other people, steps
:12:36. > :12:40.need to be taken. When MPs are doing their surgery. We will have to
:12:41. > :12:46.change at some point. But on the other hand, they will not win. We
:12:47. > :12:53.are just going to have another quick look at the Guardian. Because you
:12:54. > :12:59.can see Tobias Ellwood there in the midst of it all with everyone else.
:13:00. > :13:03.Paramedics around as well. He is in the midst of that trying as best as
:13:04. > :13:07.he can. Tonight as he reflects on that, I am sure his family are proud
:13:08. > :13:11.of him, but he might be shocked. It is shocking for everyone. He is
:13:12. > :13:15.sitting there being locked down, not knowing what is going on. It is
:13:16. > :13:19.clear the police and security forces knew exactly what they were doing in
:13:20. > :13:24.their strategy of making sure that anyone who was moving was someone
:13:25. > :13:28.who would not be supposed to be moving. They were worried there was
:13:29. > :13:32.a second attacker around Parliament by the Times, the front page, you
:13:33. > :13:35.can see what we were just talking about. The weak point in the
:13:36. > :13:51.perimeter at if you will. The gates. It goes into New Palace Yard and it
:13:52. > :13:58.is difficult to prevent pedestrians from being in this area. You can see
:13:59. > :14:02.in the top right there, this is the point. Police. Pedestrians either
:14:03. > :14:07.side there as members of Parliament come in or out in their car. It is a
:14:08. > :14:12.car entrance so pedestrians are not the focus. Exactly. A pedestrian
:14:13. > :14:19.could run through, as happened today. It is possible, we were
:14:20. > :14:22.looking at the map of where he crashed into the railings opposite
:14:23. > :14:27.portcullis house, around the corner, it is possible they reacted to that,
:14:28. > :14:32.as you would. And they were somewhat distracted as he ran around the
:14:33. > :14:36.corner. Which is why we need to find out if that was the plan, he had
:14:37. > :14:44.planned to cause a distraction for those and then get into Parliament
:14:45. > :14:51.in that weak spot. The carriage gates are left slightly ajar because
:14:52. > :14:55.they are allowing cars in and out. A car does not fill up the entire
:14:56. > :14:59.space when the gates open, a person could run in an hour but then there
:15:00. > :15:04.is a policeman they're supposed to stop them. What you also see in that
:15:05. > :15:09.picture are number of armed officers, I can see maybe for all
:15:10. > :15:13.five of them there. The guys in the yellow jacket, they are an unarmed
:15:14. > :15:19.which underlines what you are saying earlier for you and these security
:15:20. > :15:21.men arrived quite quickly. The noise that went on the helicopters, there
:15:22. > :15:21.were sirens there were people running. It was a
:15:22. > :15:36.rapid response. Normally our police are an unarmed
:15:37. > :15:40.and that is something that should not change. But in this sort of
:15:41. > :15:45.situation, at Westminster maybe we should think of that. They will be
:15:46. > :15:48.looking into that. There is no doubt that the government will react
:15:49. > :15:54.quickly, that Parliament will react quickly. Theresa May said tonight
:15:55. > :15:58.that Parliament is ingrained with the freedom spirit. And one thing a
:15:59. > :16:04.hessian social media over the last few hours is this picture. We are
:16:05. > :16:12.not afraid. It underlines what we have both been saying that we cannot
:16:13. > :16:16.be cowled by this sort of thing. Again, on the front of the metro
:16:17. > :16:22.there. The knife by the boot. This echoes what was said when Parliament
:16:23. > :16:27.was bombed during the war. Churchill said we would rebuild Parliament
:16:28. > :16:32.exactly as it stood. Just to emphasise that things will not
:16:33. > :16:42.change. We are not afraid. Can we put the other side to this, 40
:16:43. > :16:52.people have now been injured and as we said, stopping cars is very
:16:53. > :16:57.difficult. People will all be standing firm and etc but people
:16:58. > :17:00.will be unnerved. In the grand scheme of things we live in a
:17:01. > :17:05.dangerous world and we know that there are bad people out there but
:17:06. > :17:10.we must not let it change our way of life. And we have got fantastic
:17:11. > :17:16.security forces. Fantastic belief forces. They will learn and they
:17:17. > :17:21.will adjust and they are doing their utmost to keep the public safe.
:17:22. > :17:26.There will always be accidents that happen in a different way people 's
:17:27. > :17:31.lives are sometimes at risk. But if you let that put you off your daily
:17:32. > :17:36.life, if you let that stop you from doing what we want to do which is to
:17:37. > :17:44.enjoy our freedom. We have eight free society which... Which comes
:17:45. > :17:47.with certain risks. It does have certain risks and we must make sure
:17:48. > :17:53.that we protect ourselves as best we can. The front of the Mirror has not
:17:54. > :17:59.hidden the identity of the attacker, possibly the best image of him
:18:00. > :18:05.moments before he died. Some people commenting that he is Asian, that
:18:06. > :18:10.does not seem so to me, we will leave that up in the air. It is
:18:11. > :18:19.difficult to see from this angle. He has a beard. We should not judge his
:18:20. > :18:25.ethnicity. In fact, that is a very good point. In the attack in Nice,
:18:26. > :18:31.it is one thing to be inspired by Islamic State and another thing to
:18:32. > :18:35.be associated. Many people have mental problems, alcoholism,
:18:36. > :18:39.depression, whatever, whose find inspiration from these groups but
:18:40. > :18:46.are not in direct contact. This again raises the question that we
:18:47. > :18:50.still have to look at our society as this person is someone from our
:18:51. > :18:55.society and as why he wants to do this. That battle to make sure that
:18:56. > :18:58.the younger generation is not influenced by this. We must keep
:18:59. > :19:06.doing that. They must share our belief. Increasingly, the focus here
:19:07. > :19:14.is an petty criminals were going into prison and being radicalised.
:19:15. > :19:18.Social media as well. Many people are being converted in prison to
:19:19. > :19:22.Islam. There are many things going on in prison that we don't know
:19:23. > :19:25.enough about. I think that is why we are looking to build new prisons. We
:19:26. > :19:31.know that the overcrowding in prisons can bring certain
:19:32. > :19:38.unfortunate relationships and radicalisation is more likely in far
:19:39. > :19:45.more overcrowded conditions. I love this picture at the top of the
:19:46. > :19:53.mirror. The sunset over Parliament. A beautiful sky. The Parliamentary
:19:54. > :19:58.building is wonderful. Not broken. 13 terror attacks in four yes. We
:19:59. > :20:04.have had, what, three now that have been successful? The ratio, when you
:20:05. > :20:09.compare it to European countries, is astonishingly good. Yes. Far better
:20:10. > :20:17.than France. This is the worst since 2005. Fill in that sense we must not
:20:18. > :20:22.be complacent. But we need to give credit to our security service.
:20:23. > :20:29.There will be focus again on this attackers associate, whether
:20:30. > :20:33.opportunities were missed. Security services working day and night on
:20:34. > :20:37.this and there is so much happening that we are not told about that we
:20:38. > :20:42.may not know about. One policeman described it tonight as having
:20:43. > :20:46.certain people who will drift into the upper echelon who must be
:20:47. > :20:53.watched 24 hours and then some will drop down list of priority and they
:20:54. > :20:56.had and flows and it may be that he was someone that they were watching
:20:57. > :21:01.who disappeared off the radar and suddenly re-emerged. There is no
:21:02. > :21:05.accounting for that. And surveillance must have limits on our
:21:06. > :21:11.society. We would not want to become a police state. There needs to be a
:21:12. > :21:15.balance. This is what the French Tom Lee, they have a list as long as
:21:16. > :21:20.your arm. If you were to staff offices around the clock on each one
:21:21. > :21:25.of them, you would need an army. Let's have a look at the Telegraph.
:21:26. > :21:32.They carry a quote from the Prime Minister "We will never allow evil
:21:33. > :21:37.to drive us apart. You both pick out this part which... The weak spot,
:21:38. > :21:42.the Telegraph makes mention of it. A very good report about the carriage
:21:43. > :21:47.Gates. It mentions the fact that the gate, known as the carriage Gates,
:21:48. > :21:50.is always manned by two police officers who normally leave it
:21:51. > :21:55.slightly ajar because it is so frequently used. Again, I am sure,
:21:56. > :21:59.there will be a long investigation on what happened and measures may be
:22:00. > :22:06.taken and maybe that is the weak spot that this terrorist knew about.
:22:07. > :22:12.This is what it could be. But, as the Prime Minister said, you know,
:22:13. > :22:16.we are going to be defiant. I will be at work tomorrow. We will all be
:22:17. > :22:21.that there tomorrow to show that this does not the rail, in any way
:22:22. > :22:26.at all, our democracy, the worker Parliament does on behalf of the
:22:27. > :22:30.people of this country and the work that all of the security forces and
:22:31. > :22:35.policeman do. But we will be starting with prayer, I believe, for
:22:36. > :22:39.all of the victims and for their families. It has been very good
:22:40. > :22:43.having your company here this evening. Before we say goodbye,
:22:44. > :22:47.let's just have a look at of Westminster this evening. There it
:22:48. > :22:54.is. A splendid scene in Westminster on such a sad day but, our ministers
:22:55. > :22:59.will be there in their offices tomorrow. They all have great
:23:00. > :23:06.stamina and we will be reporting from Westminster tomorrow as well.
:23:07. > :23:08.More to come on this story no doubt. Coming up next we have the weather
:23:09. > :23:12.for the week