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:00:00. > :00:00.reason to pretend this is a happy day in Brussels, nor in London. --

:00:00. > :00:07.member state. One week on from the terror attack in Westminster, a

:00:08. > :00:22.vigil has been held for the victims. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

:00:23. > :00:27.to what the papers will be pretty tomorrow. We are joined by Henry

:00:28. > :00:31.Manse, political correspondence with the Financial Times. He has taken to

:00:32. > :00:37.this on his first occasion like a duck to water. And alongside him,

:00:38. > :00:43.Caroline Wheeler, the political and outer of the Sunday express. The

:00:44. > :00:47.Telegraph reports jubilation as Article 50 is triggered, but reports

:00:48. > :00:51.immediate tension between Britain and Brussels. The Metro focuses on

:00:52. > :00:55.the Primus to's warning that a failure to reach a deal within the

:00:56. > :00:59.two-year time limit could weaken cooperation in the fight against

:01:00. > :01:02.crime. The Financial Times said Theresa May's letter was seen in

:01:03. > :01:09.Brussels as conciliatory and flexible. The Mirror reports of the

:01:10. > :01:13.tension, with Angela Merkel rejecting an early start to talks on

:01:14. > :01:18.a new trade deal. Nigel Farage beams from the front of the Mail with a

:01:19. > :01:21.celebrant replied. The Times says the row over future security

:01:22. > :01:26.co-operation might attempt by Theresa May to build ridges with the

:01:27. > :01:31.EU. The Guardian says her, as was seen by many in Brussels as black

:01:32. > :01:37.mail. And Nigel Farage is also on the cover of The Express. Let's

:01:38. > :01:42.begin with the Metro. It covers the moment that the letter was handed by

:01:43. > :01:51.Tim Barrow to Donald Tusk. The simple headline is Adieu. It was a

:01:52. > :01:59.bit of a theatre, the way it happened, wasn't it, Henry? It was

:02:00. > :02:06.hand-delivered, Tim Barrow, a lovely bearded man. There was a bit of

:02:07. > :02:10.theatre therefrom Donald Tusk as well, he said that they could not be

:02:11. > :02:13.happy in London or Brussels. This day, which nobody would have looked

:02:14. > :02:17.forward to, they would have looked back to the referendum date as

:02:18. > :02:22.another day. But this is an important staging post for people.

:02:23. > :02:27.And there was a moment where Donald Tusk looked a little flawed. He did.

:02:28. > :02:31.Different papers have used different pitches, some of them with them

:02:32. > :02:36.looking at each other, some walking away from each other. In others they

:02:37. > :02:40.look like they would what having a reprise, without handshake. -- The

:02:41. > :02:44.Express. And there are other pictures of him looking forlorn.

:02:45. > :02:52.There has been some change in sentiment in some way since the

:02:53. > :02:56.attack. -- in the different pictures. We have this Treaty of

:02:57. > :03:04.Rome celebration when it Jean-Claude Juncker who has not been terribly

:03:05. > :03:08.conciliatory to the UK, has said that they are heartbroken that the

:03:09. > :03:13.UK is not there with them for the celebrations of the 60th birthday of

:03:14. > :03:17.the EU. In some ways, they going to miss us, but in other ways, they are

:03:18. > :03:20.still crossed with us for voting to leave and starting the process

:03:21. > :03:27.today. So a mixed message coming from these European leaders, today.

:03:28. > :03:34.Let's look at the Telegraph. They have a bit of the letter there. It

:03:35. > :03:44.starts dear Donald Tusk, a here by notified the council of the UK's

:03:45. > :03:48.intention to leave the European Union. It was such a small thing to

:03:49. > :03:52.say. And they were always the strokes after the referendum, saying

:03:53. > :03:57.could we actually trigger Article 50? But no, it had to be a proper

:03:58. > :04:00.letter, and here it is. And of course, this is the significant

:04:01. > :04:06.paragraph that the Telegraph picks out here. In essence, we declare

:04:07. > :04:09.that we are divorcing ourselves from the European Union. But of course,

:04:10. > :04:16.this was not just a one paragraph letter. It was eight pages? Six

:04:17. > :04:21.pages. Six pages. In that, she was trained to strike their tone. A bit

:04:22. > :04:25.of a divorce, I think. On the one hand, she was saying we don't want

:04:26. > :04:28.to be with you any more, we accept that we have children, we have two

:04:29. > :04:32.have some kind of future together, and actually these are the terms by

:04:33. > :04:36.which we can exist, while at the same time starting negotiations

:04:37. > :04:43.formally by almost putting her first... Laying the first car down.

:04:44. > :04:46.Sorry that the gauntlet by just saying just to remember that we are

:04:47. > :04:50.significantly comes to the security services, and police, and

:04:51. > :04:55.counterterrorism. We played the role in that and we are just remind you

:04:56. > :04:58.about. So anything about potentially punishing us for leaving, think

:04:59. > :05:03.about what you need from us, in the same way that we need things from

:05:04. > :05:07.you. There was a difference in what she said in a letter, which was

:05:08. > :05:11.watch out, our security information is very useful, and what she said

:05:12. > :05:16.the Parliament, which is now, more than ever, we need European values.

:05:17. > :05:21.Sort of telling MPs not to get too snobbish about Europe and save we

:05:22. > :05:26.are above them and can just deal with it India, China, and the US. It

:05:27. > :05:30.just shows that that sort of tension between one audience and another,

:05:31. > :05:36.and having to say different things to keep everybody happy. Clearly on

:05:37. > :05:39.this point. Let's look at the Financial Times. There is Donald

:05:40. > :05:43.Tusk again looking at the letter that he is just received. The clock

:05:44. > :05:49.is starting to take. These two years that we had to sort out a great of

:05:50. > :05:56.highly complicated pulling apart of this 44-year relationship. You have

:05:57. > :06:09.written a sketch peace, Henry, which was called Dear Europe: Tainted

:06:10. > :06:13.Letters. The other Henry VIII and Edelman around him asking for a

:06:14. > :06:16.divorce from the Pope a few centuries earlier was the engineer.

:06:17. > :06:21.What these letters have in common with Theresa May is that we thought

:06:22. > :06:26.on the side of the channel that we could get our way and influence

:06:27. > :06:33.leaders in that way. It might not play out like that way. It certainly

:06:34. > :06:38.didn't work that way with Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, and

:06:39. > :06:44.Henry VIII. We have started the process with no understanding the

:06:45. > :06:50.full understanding of the details. You think that they have not

:06:51. > :06:55.understood the details? We have had semi- lawyers talking about how

:06:56. > :07:01.difficult it will be to untangle all the ways we are bound to Europe at

:07:02. > :07:04.the moment. -- so many lawyers. I think understanding that will be

:07:05. > :07:09.required is still an ongoing process. We have had voices in the

:07:10. > :07:14.Cabinet. We had Boris Johnson sang we need no deal, will be fine

:07:15. > :07:17.anyway. And his optimism is on the front of the Daily Telegraph.

:07:18. > :07:22.Something about Britain going up into space in a rocket. So you could

:07:23. > :07:26.not ask for a bigger, more brash metaphor. And then Philip Hammond

:07:27. > :07:30.said yes, actually, we need a deal or we're going to get a deal. And

:07:31. > :07:33.let's not talk about the scenario of not getting a deal. So yes, there

:07:34. > :07:45.are less optimistic voices around Theresa May. On pages eight and nine

:07:46. > :07:51.of the Sun, they have little teams of who the main players are. Some of

:07:52. > :07:57.whom I'm sure we will not be very familiar with. It just shows how

:07:58. > :07:59.many people are going to have to be part and parcel of these

:08:00. > :08:05.negotiations. And that does not include all of the negotiations that

:08:06. > :08:08.are going to be required for the aspects of law and immigration,

:08:09. > :08:15.trade, and so on, eventually. Exactly. And here we have the main

:08:16. > :08:22.key players, a lot of the Cabinet ministers, but a lot of the mark in

:08:23. > :08:26.Theresa May's in a circle. You have Philip Hammond, and he's had a

:08:27. > :08:31.distinct voice in terms of fostering bride-to-be to ring of Article 50,

:08:32. > :08:36.much more subdued than the likes of, for example, Liam Fox or Boris

:08:37. > :08:45.Johnson, who were all sort of hooray, it will all be fine. Philip

:08:46. > :08:49.Hammond had always tried to strike a more conservative estimation of what

:08:50. > :08:56.their prospects might be. On the other side, you have Angela Merkel

:08:57. > :09:01.and -- Jean-Claude Juncker. And that is only a tiny part of the picture.

:09:02. > :09:04.At the end of the day, it also involves all the other countries,

:09:05. > :09:08.and they have their own voices and want different things from the UK in

:09:09. > :09:13.terms of what their Brexit will look like or what they want to establish

:09:14. > :09:18.in any ongoing partnership with them. So this is tiny. The other

:09:19. > :09:23.thing is, the negotiators themselves, we have the Department

:09:24. > :09:26.for International trade basically hiring hundreds of trade

:09:27. > :09:32.negotiators, boring zone from Canada. There is a whole to people

:09:33. > :09:35.that will be in this, many of whom we will not see their faces, but

:09:36. > :09:44.there will be flying around Europe and to other parts of the world. And

:09:45. > :09:50.of course, Francois Hollande is about to lose elections. He is

:09:51. > :09:58.definitely out. Angela Merkel has a yellow card that because she could

:09:59. > :10:02.be out as their election is coming up next year, I think. There will be

:10:03. > :10:10.interesting who becomes a household name amongst the European players.

:10:11. > :10:14.People know Jean-Claude Juncker, but perhaps not Donald Tusk as much.

:10:15. > :10:19.Will they do it every two year process, I think they should become

:10:20. > :10:26.familiar to readers of British newspapers. Yes, let's look at the

:10:27. > :10:32.Daily Mail, and this is a man we are familiar with. Nigel Farage they're

:10:33. > :10:40.holding a pint, and cheers to a great British future. But he is

:10:41. > :10:48.ready whaling on day one about the prime and so's letter. This could be

:10:49. > :10:55.a photo from any time in the past ten years. But we assume it is from

:10:56. > :11:06.today. I think Theresa May has two set out the few strength of the has

:11:07. > :11:10.-- that she has in this situation. -- to set out. Security information

:11:11. > :11:14.that British agents have a great trepidation for and do great work in

:11:15. > :11:19.the Middle East and elsewhere, that is a another card you can play. When

:11:20. > :11:23.you see that as blackmail or if you CV European Union's response as

:11:24. > :11:28.whaling, that is up to you. But I think it is not surprising that she

:11:29. > :11:32.is mentioned it. It is not a trump card to start off with in terms of

:11:33. > :11:36.saying actually, trade negotiations are going to be about give-and-take,

:11:37. > :11:40.and what have you got that we want, and what have we got that you want?

:11:41. > :11:45.And what she is saying here is that our security services and our sort

:11:46. > :11:49.of import to make input is substantial, and sort of trumps

:11:50. > :11:56.those of neighbouring countries. -- sort of input is substantial. Nico

:11:57. > :12:02.describe it as blackmail. Simile, on the other side, what we are hearing

:12:03. > :12:07.from Angela Merkel and the French government, this is the sort of

:12:08. > :12:15.thing where if we do not settle the Brexit divorce deal, where all sorts

:12:16. > :12:20.of figures have been banded around. -- And you describe. Similarly. You

:12:21. > :12:30.could say that what they are saying is blackmail, too. EU warns, it

:12:31. > :12:34.don't blackmail us. That is because of the security issue. We have

:12:35. > :12:38.security cooperation with all sorts of countries, though we? The idea

:12:39. > :12:42.that it would automate and not continue if we were outside of the

:12:43. > :12:46.EU, as you said, there is more at stake than membership of the union.

:12:47. > :12:50.I figure is difficult for Theresa May, who is a Home Secretary by

:12:51. > :12:55.background, and said that politics is not a game. Think it is I hard to

:12:56. > :13:06.make difficult for her to play this card too strongly to early. Given

:13:07. > :13:11.what has happened in London, Paris, Brussels, and so on. And then that

:13:12. > :13:15.we have British citizens living in these countries, and you've been a

:13:16. > :13:18.dicey situation if you did that and ended up inadvertently with your own

:13:19. > :13:21.British citizens being injured in those attacks, should they happen on

:13:22. > :13:25.foreign soil. That was the last bargaining chip. This is the new

:13:26. > :13:30.one. I think there are enough for them to raise it, but they have to

:13:31. > :13:38.be catalogued the tone, and I think that the Daily Mail's idea of

:13:39. > :13:41.whaling is the Guardian's idea of a normal part of negotiation. We can

:13:42. > :13:48.see where the blackmail line has come from.

:13:49. > :14:00.He said he was being nice so he did not use the word blackmail. Maybe it

:14:01. > :14:04.was an inaccurate translation. You would have to be naive to think they

:14:05. > :14:13.did not think about it. The Guardian, page three, the diplomats

:14:14. > :14:20.of Tim Barrow. He held Theresa May's handbag. Can we also showed the

:14:21. > :14:30.picture and draw a parallel, look at his legs! Look at his derrier. Even

:14:31. > :14:39.in up the sexism? A nice suit. What do you think? That is standard EU

:14:40. > :14:52.issue? Do you think is legs are nicer than his? I'm glad mine are

:14:53. > :14:56.under the desk. Strike a deal. The Chancellor rejects call for early

:14:57. > :14:59.trade talks. I wonder if they are going to get any traction with this

:15:00. > :15:05.idea of starting trade talks before the terms of our exit are really

:15:06. > :15:10.settled. It has always been said that you cannot have that in tandem,

:15:11. > :15:13.you have to wait for any new trade deals to be... You cannot start

:15:14. > :15:21.talking about them until we have left. There will be lots of fudging

:15:22. > :15:27.around even these headlines, they say Angela Merkel rules out this and

:15:28. > :15:31.we have to pay X by X day. What Angela Merkel said on the Brexit

:15:32. > :15:36.bill is let us get clarity on the kind of principles you have to abide

:15:37. > :15:40.by as a member leaving the club. What things have you committed to

:15:41. > :15:47.paying that you are going to keep an? The same with trade talks. --

:15:48. > :15:53.paying. Formal discussions. And like Brazil and India. You cannot talk

:15:54. > :15:56.about it. We have seen a lot of it already. We have set up working

:15:57. > :16:01.groups through the country already including in the US where Theresa

:16:02. > :16:05.May went to see Donald Trump and a working group was set up in America.

:16:06. > :16:09.There were raised eyebrows, saying, hang on, were we supposed to not

:16:10. > :16:15.formally set up any formal trade links? Is this going against that?

:16:16. > :16:22.Who turns what has formal and informal? -- terms. In terms of

:16:23. > :16:26.trade deals in general, we obviously have to start the negotiation with

:16:27. > :16:30.the EU because we want a trade deal and Theresa May said that very

:16:31. > :16:34.clearly again today. But at the same time, there is the rest of the

:16:35. > :16:38.world. I suppose we have to do something while we wait for the two

:16:39. > :16:45.years to pass. Brexit begins, trading blows, Theresa May and her

:16:46. > :16:49.early talks on the single market. So much to talk about in terms of

:16:50. > :16:53.immigration and freedom to travel. It will all have to be dealt with.

:16:54. > :16:59.That will surely affect the nature of trade and the nature of labour

:17:00. > :17:03.movement. The government does not like the idea of a transition deal

:17:04. > :17:07.and like to talk about things being phased in. Actually, for all the

:17:08. > :17:15.talk of a two year period, being out in the 29th of March, 2019. There is

:17:16. > :17:21.a lot of continuity. The Sun is talking about the European Court of

:17:22. > :17:26.Justice and the obscurity of what will happen with that. At what point

:17:27. > :17:30.do we were talking about this before. How do you decide today we

:17:31. > :17:36.will talk to this country about this issue. About whether it is about the

:17:37. > :17:42.rights of EU citizens and trade deals We know there are many battles

:17:43. > :17:45.going on, we can see that in the papers today, about trade and

:17:46. > :17:50.security. But what about when do you even consider the rights of EU

:17:51. > :17:57.citizens, whether they stopped today, Brexit Day, or the day that

:17:58. > :18:01.we formally Brexit. A poll suggested many people thought that as of

:18:02. > :18:08.today, if you were British you would need a visa to go and visit France

:18:09. > :18:12.or Germany. No, really, it is all fine, you are still free to go. The

:18:13. > :18:16.Daily Express. No turning back on EU Brexit. I wonder how true that is.

:18:17. > :18:20.If they were to turn their back on Brexit there would be an outcry as

:18:21. > :18:27.people feel that is what they voted for. But technically, as remote a

:18:28. > :18:31.possibility as it is, Article 50 is a grey area, isn't it? It is such a

:18:32. > :18:35.small clause. There is not complete clarity on whether you couldit or

:18:36. > :18:42.reverse it. Nobody thought this clause was going to be needed. They

:18:43. > :18:46.thought the EU would get bigger and incorporate places in Eastern Europe

:18:47. > :18:51.and maybe even Turkey. This is a grey area. In these places of law,

:18:52. > :18:56.if there is a political will to make something happen, it can happen. The

:18:57. > :19:00.difficulty is seeing how in a very short period, well, it is a short

:19:01. > :19:04.period, British politics could turn on its head and there could suddenly

:19:05. > :19:08.be a kind of vote which would override the referendum last year.

:19:09. > :19:12.And of course it would be seen as a massive slap in the face of those

:19:13. > :19:17.who voted for the referendum, the suggestion being that the elite that

:19:18. > :19:20.they like to talk about so much is not listening to the voters and

:19:21. > :19:26.their expression of their will, trying to negate what they are

:19:27. > :19:30.voting for. It would be hard to do that with the General Election.

:19:31. > :19:38.Another party would use that has a mandate. Prime Minister Tim Farron

:19:39. > :19:41.or something like that. To say no turning back is wrong, because we

:19:42. > :19:48.are turning back the clock in doing this. We decided to join, we held a

:19:49. > :19:52.referendum to go into Europe, and we are turning back the clock and going

:19:53. > :19:56.out of it. Over a long period of time. Of course. The reason they

:19:57. > :19:59.said no turning back as the headline is because that is the actual

:20:00. > :20:03.language she used today, almost reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher.

:20:04. > :20:08.Trying to go with that. It is worth pointing out that in terms of the

:20:09. > :20:12.Daily Express, the reason it uses these headlines day in and day out

:20:13. > :20:16.is because it started these headlines in the first place. Others

:20:17. > :20:21.picked it up along the way and supported Brexit, but the Daily

:20:22. > :20:26.Express with its 213 days after it started its campaign it has

:20:27. > :20:33.succeeded in this pointing out it was the original champion of this

:20:34. > :20:38.issue. They will be very pleased, won't they, without comment? And The

:20:39. > :20:51.i has different versions of the -- goodbye from different countries.

:20:52. > :20:58.Jeremy Corbyn backs referendum. Just briefly, the ramifications for the

:20:59. > :21:05.different parts of the United Kingdom are immense in leaving the

:21:06. > :21:08.EU. Indeed. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, there is a greater

:21:09. > :21:12.possibility they will be leaving the UK in some way. The clear

:21:13. > :21:17.possibility is with Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May still

:21:18. > :21:23.disagreeing on when a referendum for Scotland should be held. Probably

:21:24. > :21:26.after Brexit. And whether enough people want independence in

:21:27. > :21:30.Scotland, even now. The polls do not suggest there would be enough...

:21:31. > :21:35.Well, it is a dangerous game for her to play as topic she knows the

:21:36. > :21:40.second numbers of SNP voters actually voted for Brexit

:21:41. > :21:45.themselves. It is not a given that necessarily she would get enough

:21:46. > :21:49.votes. She is putting it on the table, why wouldn't see, it was

:21:50. > :21:52.clear she was going to do this all the way from the beginning, because

:21:53. > :21:57.she felt that because Scotland was not as supportive in the main Brexit

:21:58. > :22:03.as England, that gave a mandate to support a referendum. It was two

:22:04. > :22:08.years ago she said she would not call for another referendum in a

:22:09. > :22:12.generation. I am not sure if I am counting correctly, but two years is

:22:13. > :22:21.not a generation. One more story before we finish. The i. Thousands

:22:22. > :22:33.join hands in a Westminster vigil as the right inquests into how people

:22:34. > :22:37.died a week ago as Khalid Masood did what he did. Ordinarily there would

:22:38. > :22:42.be much more coverage of this. By the coincided with Article 50.

:22:43. > :22:50.Exactly right. We were thinking about the ramifications of whether

:22:51. > :22:54.it was a cell or a group of people acting in a particular way. There is

:22:55. > :23:01.still a large ongoing enquiry into that. But there are questions about

:23:02. > :23:08.how are you detect Parliament and -- detect Parliament. You are both in

:23:09. > :23:16.the Houses of Parliament last week, where are you? Of course, it was an

:23:17. > :23:19.attack on our seat of democracy. But today it was absolutely full of MPs

:23:20. > :23:26.and years hearing statements he made about triggering Article 50. --

:23:27. > :23:33.peers. That is right. What was significant was we were locked in a

:23:34. > :23:37.secure zone, I don't know where you were, but we weren't able to get out

:23:38. > :23:41.because we did not know who was out there and we were being kept safe.

:23:42. > :23:46.The fact that announcement came three even when we were leaving at

:23:47. > :23:50.eight o'clock last night and the announcer said both houses will sit

:23:51. > :23:53.as normal the next day, it was really a signal that we weren't

:23:54. > :23:58.going to let this particular individual disrupt our way of life

:23:59. > :24:03.and our British values. -- through. They are very much entrenched in our

:24:04. > :24:07.democratic processes. Thank you. That is it.

:24:08. > :24:14.That's it for the papers tonight. Don't forget you can see the front

:24:15. > :24:14.pages of the papers on line on the BBC News website.

:24:15. > :24:17.It's all there for you, seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers

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:24:22. > :24:23.Thank you, Henry, thank you, Caroline.

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