01/04/2017

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:00:16. > :00:18.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:19. > :00:24.With me are Anne Ashworth, who's the associate editor

:00:25. > :00:27.at the Times, and Bonnie Greer, playwright and writer

:00:28. > :00:32.Very glad you have hung around for the next review. I would be no good

:00:33. > :00:35.on my own. The Mail on Sunday

:00:36. > :00:38.continues its campaign against videos on Google and YouTube

:00:39. > :00:40.which show violent or Tomorrow's story highlights a video

:00:41. > :00:44.showing how to penetrate Britain's airports and nuclear

:00:45. > :00:46.power stations need to tighten their defences

:00:47. > :00:48.against terrorist attacks, according to a story on the Sunday

:00:49. > :00:51.Telegraph's front page. British passports

:00:52. > :00:53.could soon be returning to their former dark blue

:00:54. > :00:55.livery following Brexit, The Sunday Times

:00:56. > :00:59.headlines the news that some peers are claiming thousands of pounds

:01:00. > :01:01.worth of expenses for attending the House of Lords, despite making

:01:02. > :01:04.little contribution And the Observer highlights

:01:05. > :01:10.pressures being put on the government by some

:01:11. > :01:12.cross-party MPs who want to guarantee that EU nationals

:01:13. > :01:31.would still be able to work Several Brexit - related stories on

:01:32. > :01:38.the front pages. We will begin with the Observer, NHS recruits given

:01:39. > :01:45.special status after Brexit. This is a cross-party group. It is very

:01:46. > :01:52.logical. I don't know why the government doesn't model the

:01:53. > :01:59.society, why it doesn't make a model of the NHS without EU national is

:02:00. > :02:02.not without immigrants. Let the people see it. Then we can

:02:03. > :02:06.understand the challenge, as opposed to making stories about the

:02:07. > :02:12.problems. It is a simple thing to do. Let's see it, let's see how long

:02:13. > :02:18.it will take you have national strength up to staff the NHS that we

:02:19. > :02:22.need, and let's see the gap in between. That is the reality. These

:02:23. > :02:27.stories are important but they don't move a long, they don't get us

:02:28. > :02:34.anywhere. There is an urgency about this. It seems as if EU nationals in

:02:35. > :02:38.the NHS are going home more than in the past. They are giving up.

:02:39. > :02:46.Thinking they won't have a future in the NHS. It is interesting. All of

:02:47. > :02:50.the debate about EU migrants has focused on hospitality. Their

:02:51. > :02:55.biggest contribution is to the NHS. Exactly. It makes you wonder why

:02:56. > :02:59.this simple modelling isn't done. Why are people debating something

:03:00. > :03:05.that is easy to do? We can find out the gap. We can make a policy about

:03:06. > :03:08.the gap. It could be part of the negotiations. Everyone throwing up

:03:09. > :03:15.their hands saying it will be horrible. It is easy to know. Is it

:03:16. > :03:20.necessary to have negotiations? Car not the government say, we need

:03:21. > :03:26.them. -- cannot the government say. It is about people being told about

:03:27. > :03:32.immigration, if you do something logical, we need these people, it

:03:33. > :03:35.affects the political question. The government is balancing both of

:03:36. > :03:40.these things at the same time. Then you have stories like this. We have

:03:41. > :03:43.a number of issues jostling for prominence in the Brexit

:03:44. > :03:48.negotiation. Remember, an awful lot of people voted to come out of

:03:49. > :03:53.Europe because they thought that there would be an immediate cash

:03:54. > :03:58.injection into the NHS. Now, imagine the dismay if the NHS is dismantled

:03:59. > :04:03.when these - if these people are forced to go home. I think it is a

:04:04. > :04:07.simple thing. If they want to do it, that is the issue which perplexes

:04:08. > :04:12.me. Show people what it looks like. It is not difficult. We have the

:04:13. > :04:20.tools to do that. There is another NHS story not to do with Brexit on

:04:21. > :04:24.the Sunday Times. NHS threatens GPs with closure, this is incorrect,

:04:25. > :04:31.with the cost of renting property to run a surgery from the NHS. It seems

:04:32. > :04:35.as if the NHS is a landlord to some NHS surgeries. So you have your GP

:04:36. > :04:41.surgery and your landlord is the NHS. There has been more money put

:04:42. > :04:45.into a transformation in technology and it is putting up the cost of the

:04:46. > :04:49.service charges and there is going to be a rebellion over this. I would

:04:50. > :04:55.imagine that there is a generation of doctors and medical people,

:04:56. > :05:00.nurses within the NHS, who think this is absurd. That is basically

:05:01. > :05:04.it. You mean, we will get kicked out because we are not paying your rent?

:05:05. > :05:08.When this surgery is what it is about, not the building. You should

:05:09. > :05:13.be helping us to stay here as opposed to giving us a bill for

:05:14. > :05:17.rent. It doesn't make sense. This is not the point and it might be

:05:18. > :05:20.simplistic, can't you move somewhere cheaper and have a different

:05:21. > :05:27.landlord, or by the building themselves? The technology required

:05:28. > :05:31.as part of the GP role. It is movable, isn't it? You have people

:05:32. > :05:38.who have a client base, maybe they can't move. Maybe they can't find

:05:39. > :05:43.premises. I am a London. It is not easy to find a place. People cannot

:05:44. > :05:48.just move because they cannot pay the rent. I think people probably

:05:49. > :05:53.wouldn't know that they were paying rent to the NHS. It was news to me.

:05:54. > :05:57.It has been a story that has been bubbling under the medical press and

:05:58. > :06:04.is beginning to get national prominence. Exactly. And it is also

:06:05. > :06:08.the issue with the NHS. A lot of us don't know how much it has become

:06:09. > :06:13.privatised. And how much it is being privatised. That is not to do with

:06:14. > :06:19.privatisation, if the NHS owns the building. It is a landlord- tenant

:06:20. > :06:24.tussle. The internal market. It is privatisation by other means. Other

:06:25. > :06:32.people might argue that is not the case. Well, it is. Let's not get

:06:33. > :06:38.bogged down. OK. The Times, ?20 toxic tax for diesel drivers. Not

:06:39. > :06:43.long ago we were advised that diesel was a clean option. And now we worry

:06:44. > :06:47.about what to do with the diesel cars. It will be too expensive for

:06:48. > :06:53.people to drive. We were trying to do the sums outside, with the

:06:54. > :06:58.congestion charge and other penalties to drive certain cars

:06:59. > :07:04.before 2006, plus the ?20 toxin attacks in London and other cities,

:07:05. > :07:08.it might be as much as ?40 a day to drive a car in London and some other

:07:09. > :07:13.cities. It would get you onto the train, wouldn't it, or public

:07:14. > :07:18.transport. Heaven help us. I live a couple of streets from here and it

:07:19. > :07:22.is bad at ten o'clock. There are areas in London that have already

:07:23. > :07:28.hit their yearly pollution level. They hit it into ready for hours.

:07:29. > :07:31.This is extremely serious. I think Siddique Khan is trying to do

:07:32. > :07:39.something about it in London because it cannot go on like this --. This

:07:40. > :07:47.is Andrea Leadsom's mission? Yes. He is one of the drivers. Let's have a

:07:48. > :07:51.look at the Mail on Sunday, a campaign on what gets shown on the

:07:52. > :07:56.websites platforms like Google and YouTube. Google blood money, cashing

:07:57. > :08:00.in on five video showing how to pierce a stab vest, like one worn by

:08:01. > :08:07.the police officer who was murdered in the Westminster terror attack.

:08:08. > :08:12.Without going into too much detail... It is highly unpleasant,

:08:13. > :08:18.shot by some weapons enthusiast, a German guy, about how to penetrate a

:08:19. > :08:23.stab vest. Let's hope it is not still on YouTube after it has been

:08:24. > :08:30.on the front of the Mail on Sunday. He is making money from exhibiting

:08:31. > :08:36.that video. It is just yet another - feeding into all of this. We have

:08:37. > :08:42.allowed Google to rule over us in all of its manifestations without

:08:43. > :08:47.check. Google rules over us. They agree with you again. You're

:08:48. > :08:50.absolutely right. Problem is that Google is born in the first

:08:51. > :08:56.Amendment culture. That is their culture as a company. The issue

:08:57. > :09:05.becomes how to regulate - how can you regulate this behemoth and their

:09:06. > :09:09.ideas about expression, how can you do that in a culture like the UK

:09:10. > :09:14.which regulates what people say, which regulates what goes on air?

:09:15. > :09:18.That is the issue. The pressure is mounting on this country. It is --

:09:19. > :09:26.company. It is a publisher. It doesn't even pay the tax it was

:09:27. > :09:31.supposed to pay. Google, Google - it is not illegal but let's not get

:09:32. > :09:37.into the tax story. This article makes the point that you said it had

:09:38. > :09:41.permanently removed these videos. -- YouTube said. It did not reveal how

:09:42. > :09:45.much money was made from them. A spokeswoman said we have cleared

:09:46. > :09:49.policies against inciting violence and harmful or dangerous activities

:09:50. > :09:53.and remove content that breaks guidelines when we are made aware of

:09:54. > :09:58.it. -- clear. That is the same as Google. They will take down

:09:59. > :10:08.material. Who is meant to police it? Well, again, this culture is a First

:10:09. > :10:13.Amendment culture. How can Google adapt itself to this territory? How

:10:14. > :10:18.can this territory adapt itself to Google? That is the issue. And that

:10:19. > :10:24.is the wall that we are coming up against. We go next to the Sunday

:10:25. > :10:27.Telegraph, airports and nuclear power stations on terror alert. And

:10:28. > :10:32.we knew that not long ago restrictions were in place for

:10:33. > :10:37.taking types of devices on board planes from certain places. And even

:10:38. > :10:42.then some holes were found in that security system. This is a wider

:10:43. > :10:47.issue to do with not just airports, as the headlines has, but nuclear

:10:48. > :10:53.power stations. It will come to the point where ISIS, I call it Daesh,

:10:54. > :10:58.it will get to the point where they can understand and get these

:10:59. > :11:03.entities, these machines, themselves in their possession and build

:11:04. > :11:08.systems that would counter them. That is something that was always

:11:09. > :11:13.going to happen. So, the issue now is how to get up to speed to be

:11:14. > :11:20.faster than they are. That is what they are doing. Their only job is to

:11:21. > :11:26.win this. So they can take a machine, take it back to ISIS hiding

:11:27. > :11:31.hole, wherever they are, and build something that counters it. This one

:11:32. > :11:34.I think they are putting in the battery of the computer it self the

:11:35. > :11:40.bomb. Getting them on board the plane. Yes. And in watches. This

:11:41. > :11:46.huge technical know-how. And their strongholds are under threat. They

:11:47. > :11:50.have to look too different ways to keep and maintain the terror

:11:51. > :11:56.attacks. Well, they are the electronic caliphate now, they don't

:11:57. > :12:01.have any territory. This was always going to be a battle of hearts and

:12:02. > :12:08.minds at the end of the day. The technology - it is a race. Let's

:12:09. > :12:12.stay with the Sunday Telegraph. How the Cabinet plotted to exploit EU

:12:13. > :12:16.defence fears. We soon found out about it, didn't we? It was on the

:12:17. > :12:22.headlines around the world. The idea that because of the importance of

:12:23. > :12:27.Britain sharing intelligence and the security of the EU, that it would be

:12:28. > :12:32.a powerful piece of leverage in the talks. It is just extraordinary,

:12:33. > :12:36.isn't it, just all of the different issues jostling for what is going to

:12:37. > :12:44.be the most important thing. Is it people, is it defence? You know, we

:12:45. > :12:49.have a good name in defence in the EU, you know, this is where we have

:12:50. > :12:54.our strength, and it probably is legitimate to use as a bargaining

:12:55. > :12:59.tool. But Donald Tusk stood up and said he didn't even believe Theresa

:13:00. > :13:03.May actually used security as a bargaining tool. He said he can't

:13:04. > :13:06.believe she did it and he totally dismissed the fact that she might

:13:07. > :13:12.have done. This story says this was discussed. She was a former Home

:13:13. > :13:15.Secretary. Exactly. She made the point in the run-up to the

:13:16. > :13:19.referendum that security was an important part of the two operation

:13:20. > :13:25.with the EU. Would she sacrifice that? I suppose it was - will you

:13:26. > :13:29.put that on the table? You are going to share intelligence if we don't do

:13:30. > :13:35.what you say? That is how it is. We are still in Nato. Not only that, a

:13:36. > :13:39.lot of other things, and we are a leader in defence, a round-the-world

:13:40. > :13:44.and in the EU, and it is quite frightening, actually -- around the

:13:45. > :13:47.world. And what is also surprising is people didn't think that there

:13:48. > :13:52.would be pushed back about it. Because headlines around the world

:13:53. > :14:00.were basically, what the heck, that the UK would put it on the table.

:14:01. > :14:05.More Brexit stories on the Express, Wi-Fi on the trip to the dentist,

:14:06. > :14:09.and things we have to pay for in this ?50 billion except Bill,

:14:10. > :14:14.including Polish roads, rail routes and dentists in Bulgaria. All of the

:14:15. > :14:19.stuff we have to pick up the tab for after we leave including projects

:14:20. > :14:24.that have not even begun. But we did agree to help fund them because they

:14:25. > :14:32.were still in. It is a contract. It is so cut and dry. They are able to

:14:33. > :14:37.deduct... Is it cut and dry? Yes. I think everything is up for argument.

:14:38. > :14:41.Let me put it this way, the way they came up with a ?60 billion, 60

:14:42. > :14:46.billion euros thing or whatever, they deducted certain things that

:14:47. > :14:53.the UK promised to do and it came out to 60 billion euros. Now,

:14:54. > :14:57.whether that is going to be paid is another thing. It is not hard to

:14:58. > :15:01.find out what it is. It is a list. It is there. It does exist. It is

:15:02. > :15:06.all a lot of creative accounting going on. There are numbers all

:15:07. > :15:10.across these stories and you think, really, is it the full truth of what

:15:11. > :15:14.we have to pay? And whether we will have to pay for some of the other

:15:15. > :15:19.projects that it has already committed to pay for. If anyone

:15:20. > :15:23.thinks it will be clean, done and dusted... And that it will last two

:15:24. > :15:28.years. Someone says, signed the cheque and then we will talk.

:15:29. > :15:33.Finally, the fun of the Sunday Express, true blue passport reborn.

:15:34. > :15:40.Apparently the iconic dark blue passport that someone might remember

:15:41. > :15:45.will make a comeback, and the conservative MP who chairs the flags

:15:46. > :15:52.and heraldry committee... Did you know? No. He says it is a matter of

:15:53. > :15:59.identity, having the pink passport. Are you colourblind? It is maroon.

:16:00. > :16:03.It has merged us into one European identity which isn't what we are.

:16:04. > :16:08.People were unhappy about giving up the dark blue passport. Did you

:16:09. > :16:16.really? There is also a percentage of the population - I have never had

:16:17. > :16:21.won. I have a pink one, that is for sure, I don't like pink. Burgundy,

:16:22. > :16:25.that is yours. Liz Hurley is looking forward to the return of the navy

:16:26. > :16:31.blue passport with the crest. She wants deutschmarks as well, she

:16:32. > :16:38.wants francs. Does it matter if you are stopped and you have to join a

:16:39. > :16:41.long queue? It is - nationhood exemplified by the navy blue

:16:42. > :16:53.passport. Is it worth a 500 million at? You see, I am hugely suspicious

:16:54. > :16:58.-- ?500 million of effort? I think it would be worth much more. Much

:16:59. > :17:04.more. That is it, that is the papers for tonight, thank you, Anne and

:17:05. > :17:08.Bonnie. It works so well because they talk to each other, you see?

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