:00:00. > :00:20.moment on BBC News, it is time for The Papers.
:00:21. > :00:23.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
:00:24. > :00:26.With me are Laura Hughes, political correspondent
:00:27. > :00:40.at The Daily Telegraph and the journalist James Rampton.
:00:41. > :00:42.The Telegraph leads with suggestions that government no longer sees
:00:43. > :00:47.prisons as places for punishment, after the phrase was excluded
:00:48. > :00:51.from the first legal definition of a jail's purpose.
:00:52. > :00:54.According to an investigation by the Times, staff at one
:00:55. > :00:55.of the world's leading drug companies discussed
:00:56. > :00:57.destroying supplies of life-saving cancer medicines.
:00:58. > :01:01.The i reports new claims that more British youngsters than ever
:01:02. > :01:04.are caught in a so-called "age of anxiety".
:01:05. > :01:07.Holiday costs fall by 20% is the headline in the Express.
:01:08. > :01:09.The paper claims summer breaks in Europe are now the cheapest
:01:10. > :01:20.Don't forget, you can see the front pages of the papers online
:01:21. > :01:36.Let's begin with that Sun headline. Laura Hughes, take us to the
:01:37. > :01:46.coverage of this bomb dropped in Afghanistan? So, this is the largest
:01:47. > :01:51.non-nuclear bomb that America has ever used. During his presidential
:01:52. > :01:54.campaign, Donald Trump spoke about how he was going to protect
:01:55. > :01:58.America's's interests, and not really intervene around the world.
:01:59. > :02:03.But this is the second incident in two weeks showing that maybe that is
:02:04. > :02:07.not the case. This maybe is a warning to North Korea, Iran, Syria,
:02:08. > :02:11.that America is taking things really seriously now. And they are
:02:12. > :02:14.prepared, Donald Trump is prepared, to go further than George Bush, he
:02:15. > :02:19.never used these weapons, and also President Obama. May be questions
:02:20. > :02:23.for Donald Trump supporters, who voted for him in the hope that
:02:24. > :02:29.America might take a step back from dealing in these kind of issues. Is
:02:30. > :02:34.that how you see it? Absolutely, it is the largest bomb that has been
:02:35. > :02:38.dropped since blagger hour. Apparently it has caused a lot of
:02:39. > :02:44.consternation within the warring factions in the White House. Steve
:02:45. > :02:49.Bannon, his notoriously hawkish adviser, was apparently advising
:02:50. > :02:56.against attacking Syria last week. I'm not sure he will be that happy
:02:57. > :02:59.about this, either. Because the campaign was all about America
:03:00. > :03:07.first, isolationist in the world sought itself out. But dropping the
:03:08. > :03:11.largest bomb ever of a non-nuclear variety, is NOT not getting involved
:03:12. > :03:16.in the rest of the world! It shows how unpredictable Trump is, and that
:03:17. > :03:20.will make other nations nervous. If Russia and Iran and Syria thought,
:03:21. > :03:23.we can do anything, he doesn't want to intervene, I think this is
:03:24. > :03:30.showing that that's not the case. The target we are told, Caves hiding
:03:31. > :03:39.IS fighters. But this is a device weighing more than 21,000lb. Yeah,
:03:40. > :03:43.it is even heavier than me, it is a really big bomb. But I can sort of
:03:44. > :03:47.understand why they dropped it on those caves. I remember the American
:03:48. > :03:53.special forces after 911 had a heck of a time trying to find Osama bin
:03:54. > :03:58.Laden, who was hiding in the caves in the correct. And in fact they
:03:59. > :04:02.never found him" because it was such a labyrinthine network of places
:04:03. > :04:06.which he knew about and enabled him to evade his pursuers. But some
:04:07. > :04:13.people might say, it is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Laura
:04:14. > :04:19.Hughes, prisons are not for punishment, this is a quote taken
:04:20. > :04:25.from a document about the role played by prisons? Yes. This is the
:04:26. > :04:30.prisons and courts bill. This is the definition of what prison means. And
:04:31. > :04:40.they have taken out the word punishment, which brings up the
:04:41. > :04:43.whole question of what they are for. We know that the prison system is
:04:44. > :04:46.under pressure and it seems to be failing. It seems to be failing
:04:47. > :04:56.prisoners who go on to reoffend. We have seen massive cuts, this is the
:04:57. > :04:59.old argument, what is prison for? If you look at countries across Europe,
:05:00. > :05:04.the Netherlands and Sweden, they have got a bit of a crisis, in that
:05:05. > :05:08.they can't fill prison cells. That is because they have taken a policy
:05:09. > :05:17.of rehabilitation. So, when somebody goes into in the Netherlands or in
:05:18. > :05:22.Sweden, they concentrate on getting them Rhys Gill. What we are seeing
:05:23. > :05:27.is that reoffending rates are rising, crime levels are rising,
:05:28. > :05:31.something is clearly not working. And this subtle removal of the word
:05:32. > :05:34.perhaps signifies the direction of this government and what they want
:05:35. > :05:38.to do and how they want to reform the justice system in this country
:05:39. > :05:42.bridge be working. Liz Truss will be at used by some of going soft? I
:05:43. > :05:48.would say it is a badge of honour for her that she is being attacked
:05:49. > :05:51.by Mick Davies, the Tory MP. He's at using her of being one of the
:05:52. > :05:55.liberal lefties, as he puts it. I don't know what are the sort of
:05:56. > :05:59.lefties there are full stop it is a weird phrase. According to Mr
:06:00. > :06:03.Davies, he says people having their freedom taken away is a punishment
:06:04. > :06:08.in itself. Too many people, it is not. I really can't disagree with
:06:09. > :06:11.that more. As you said, Laura, the point of prison is to stop people
:06:12. > :06:18.going back in prison. Figures show that if prisoners go on
:06:19. > :06:25.rehabilitation programmes and have education, taught music, drama,
:06:26. > :06:30.dropped by 20% or more. We don't dropped by 20% or more. We don't
:06:31. > :06:33.want people to go back to prison. If we are treating them like students
:06:34. > :06:38.in a school of crime, and some of them here have been pictured
:06:39. > :06:43.drinking alcohol and taking drugs, and even frying steaks, they're
:06:44. > :06:48.never going to reform them. It talks about what the victims of some of
:06:49. > :06:52.those criminal acts want to see done to the perpetrators. Of course there
:06:53. > :06:55.is an element of retribution, and that's quite right, particularly if
:06:56. > :06:59.you have been the victim of a terrible crime. However, if you want
:07:00. > :07:07.that person not to commit that crime again, I would argue that you should
:07:08. > :07:11.be treating them as potential reformees rather than as potential
:07:12. > :07:16.criminals. Or as people who have been failed at some point in their
:07:17. > :07:20.life. The question is, why are they there? Inside, this is Justine
:07:21. > :07:30.Greening's views on grammar schools? Yes. I think Justine Greening in
:07:31. > :07:35.many ways is an impressive minister, but she was with John Humphrys this
:07:36. > :07:38.morning, trying to define what it means, ordinary working families.
:07:39. > :07:43.The phrase makes my skin creep. What does ordinary means? It has smacked
:07:44. > :07:49.of patronising, I think. And also, it seems to exclude the very
:07:50. > :07:52.disadvantaged, because it's people with a household income of around 30
:07:53. > :07:56.3000. There are many people unfortunately are much less than
:07:57. > :08:01.that. Is she saying she's only going to be interested in those people,
:08:02. > :08:08.give them this supposedly up, and she is declining to say whether they
:08:09. > :08:13.would be quotas? If she does want to change the class, if you like, all
:08:14. > :08:16.those people who are admitted? That is the point, how do you redefine
:08:17. > :08:22.policy to be seen through? And she policy to be seen through? And she
:08:23. > :08:26.would not go that far this morning, when she was pushed! She said, we
:08:27. > :08:29.will be setting it out in the white paper in due course. But something
:08:30. > :08:33.is going to have to change. If you have grammar schools, often it
:08:34. > :08:39.becomes a more affluent area, and it pushes people out. So children from
:08:40. > :08:43.poorer families aren't living in the areas where they would have access
:08:44. > :08:46.to grammar schools. If you have a bit of money, and you know there is
:08:47. > :08:50.probably try and move there to send probably try and move there to send
:08:51. > :08:54.your child there. And if you can afford to do so, you will then pay
:08:55. > :09:00.for tutoring. That is the argument. The criticism of this policy, of
:09:01. > :09:03.Labour, and of the teaching unions, is that actually we are seeing huge
:09:04. > :09:06.cuts in schools, shouldn't we be focusing on putting more money into
:09:07. > :09:10.the state system instead of building a whole new raft of new schools,
:09:11. > :09:17.when the ones we've got already aren't doing the job they are meant
:09:18. > :09:21.to be doing? Good points, yes. Let's take the front page of the
:09:22. > :09:26.Independent, this picture of President Assad, the interview he
:09:27. > :09:30.has done nearly he has gone arguably further than he has gone before, in
:09:31. > :09:35.suggesting that the attack that we have all seen pictures of didn't
:09:36. > :09:38.happen at all. I thought I could no longer be horrified by President
:09:39. > :09:46.Assad, but I was when I saw this interview today. I was genuinely
:09:47. > :09:48.shocked that he should claim it's fake news, and the outrageous
:09:49. > :09:52.suggestion that somehow these children were pretending to be dead.
:09:53. > :09:58.I think that's absolutely disgusting that he said that and I'm not saying
:09:59. > :10:03.that I have the to that problem, but he is clearly, in my eyes, not the
:10:04. > :10:08.solution. It's such a vile man and he has created such misery, half a
:10:09. > :10:12.million people have been killed, half the population has been turned
:10:13. > :10:15.into refugees. He is an absolute monster, as President Trump said the
:10:16. > :10:21.other day, and today's interview only confirm that. In the Daily
:10:22. > :10:26.Telegraph today, we are now referring to him as Assad, not Mr
:10:27. > :10:31.Assad. Really? And that is something we only do for criminals. That's
:10:32. > :10:38.very interesting. The Times, two stories I want to mention, Facebook?
:10:39. > :10:42.The Times have been really going on this, and rightfully so. They
:10:43. > :10:47.reported to Facebook that they could see inappropriate images of
:10:48. > :10:52.children, child abuse, on Facebook, alerted the organisation to these
:10:53. > :10:59.images, and yet they still were not reviewed. The NSPCC today are
:11:00. > :11:03.calling for there to be a statutory code of conduct, so that these
:11:04. > :11:09.social networking sites have to comply with certain standards. At
:11:10. > :11:17.the moment, it seems they are making up the rules and constantly being
:11:18. > :11:21.alerted and not taking action. You sense pressure is growing along
:11:22. > :11:25.these lines? You do, and it plays to the idea that the internet to a
:11:26. > :11:27.degree is still the wild west and that people do what they like and
:11:28. > :11:32.think they can get away with it. Louise Haig, the shadow digital
:11:33. > :11:35.minister, has written to Facebook saying that she thinks their
:11:36. > :11:40.reporting regime is obviously flawed and has multiple failures. And
:11:41. > :11:43.certainly the evidence uncovered by The Times and the NSPCC would back
:11:44. > :11:51.that up. The other story on The Times front page is this drug
:11:52. > :11:59.giant's secret plan to destroy cancer medicine...? I sound like I
:12:00. > :12:06.made chuntering kernel from royal Tunbridge Wells, but I am very
:12:07. > :12:10.shocked by this story as well! You're going to be constantly
:12:11. > :12:14.shocked by everything we have! I am really shocked by this, the
:12:15. > :12:22.allegation is that a drugs company has been possibly deliberately
:12:23. > :12:30.hiking the price, and even, it is suggested, destroying a life-saving
:12:31. > :12:35.drug, in order to facilitate a 4000% price-wise on a cancer drug. I find
:12:36. > :12:41.that truly horrendous. I think it was that 4000% figure which struck
:12:42. > :12:47.you both, Laura? Yes. It's just... It is truly horrifying, and there is
:12:48. > :12:53.actually a lot in the paper that you want to get through. They have got a
:12:54. > :12:56.printout of the e-mails. It is quite an extensive investigation? They
:12:57. > :13:00.have done a good job. It says, I think the only option would be to
:13:01. > :13:06.donate or destroy the stock. The e-mail ends, let's celebrate. It's
:13:07. > :13:13.pretty sickening. But are other companies doing this? After 20
:13:14. > :13:15.years, I think other companies cannot even buy the patent of a
:13:16. > :13:20.drug, and therefore the competition has gone, and they can set the
:13:21. > :13:22.prices. I believe there is some legislation going through Parliament
:13:23. > :13:26.now which will allow the Government to intervene and make prices lower
:13:27. > :13:31.if they think they are excessive. In the interests of fairness, the
:13:32. > :13:35.company in question, the chief executive has said this, and I
:13:36. > :13:40.quote... The price rises were at levels appropriate to promote
:13:41. > :13:43.long-term, sustainable supply to patients and had been increased
:13:44. > :13:49.from, quote, a very low and unsustainable base. You both seem
:13:50. > :13:54.keen to talk about this, life on Saturn, possibly, from the Daily
:13:55. > :14:00.Mail! Can you sing it to the tune of life on Mars?! No, actually! Even
:14:01. > :14:07.with the quake and on the piano, that would be difficult. That's a
:14:08. > :14:17.joke for the older viewers! Straight over my head! This is one of
:14:18. > :14:28.Saturn's I icy moons. Called Enceladus. It sounds like a Rick
:14:29. > :14:32.Wakeman album! They have found all the right elements, the water, the
:14:33. > :14:41.ice, geothermal activity... They will find a shopping centre there!
:14:42. > :14:45.With abandoned trolleys - in the icy Lake! I find it hard to get worked
:14:46. > :14:49.up about this. We have got Nasa saying it is a new frontier. But
:14:50. > :14:51.there is so much going on on our planet that I'm worried about. We
:14:52. > :14:55.have got Mr Trump cropping the have got Mr Trump cropping the
:14:56. > :15:02.largest bomb since the Second World War. The fact that there is an icy
:15:03. > :15:07.like on Saturn... Mind you, if there was life on Saturn, that could be a
:15:08. > :15:12.nice distraction. Talking of nice destructions, we have 30 seconds to
:15:13. > :15:16.talk takes, break-off, Channel 4, etc? I love the fact that somehow
:15:17. > :15:20.the Daily Telegraph has managed to concoct a row about it already. This
:15:21. > :15:25.is massive, because the scrums are the Cornish fashion, which is jam
:15:26. > :15:35.before Queen, and of course, that is heresy, if you are from Devon. --
:15:36. > :15:39.jam before cream. And I don't think he has overstated this at all! Have
:15:40. > :15:48.you got a strong view on it, Laura? It is jam on cream. So I think I am
:15:49. > :15:51.Cornish on this one! I'm very glad that we're discussing this when the
:15:52. > :16:01.world is being systematically destroyed! And possible life on
:16:02. > :16:05.Saturn. , but there is nothing so important as the Devon versus
:16:06. > :16:11.Cornwall scone row. Don't forget, you can see the front
:16:12. > :16:15.pages of the papers online