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:00:00. > :00:22.of a sense of people coming together after the Brexit vote.

:00:23. > :00:25.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

:00:26. > :00:28.With me are John Crowley, who is editor-in-chief

:00:29. > :00:31.at the International Business Times, and Tim Stanley, the leader writer

:00:32. > :00:33.and columnist for the Daily Telegraph.

:00:34. > :00:36.Let's have a quick look at some of the front pages

:00:37. > :00:40.The Telegraph has an interview with Prince Harry, who talks

:00:41. > :00:42.about how he sought counselling to cope with the death

:00:43. > :00:47.The Guardian reports on the vote in Turkey giving President Erdogan

:00:48. > :00:48.the power for major constitutional reform.

:00:49. > :00:51.The Times leads with North Korean defiance in the face of pressure

:00:52. > :00:55.The i also leads with the tension in North Korea,

:00:56. > :00:57.reporting that China and America are working together

:00:58. > :01:01.The Mirror reports on President Trump's message that he is poised

:01:02. > :01:07.They say that the Americans caused the North Korean missile

:01:08. > :01:11.The Mail lead with the deterioration in UK Russia relations,

:01:12. > :01:16.And The FT focus on US commerce secretary Wilbur Ross,

:01:17. > :01:33.rubbishing International Monetary Fund claims of US protectionism.

:01:34. > :01:39.Many of the stories we have been reporting on today feature on the

:01:40. > :01:43.front pages, but we start with an exclusive in the Daily Telegraph, an

:01:44. > :01:47.interview with Vince Harry talking about how he has coped with the

:01:48. > :01:52.death of his mother. It was 20 years of not thinking about it, he said,

:01:53. > :01:58.and to make use of total chaos. A very, very frank, no holds barred

:01:59. > :02:05.interview that the Daily Telegraph has managed to secure. Our columnist

:02:06. > :02:08.has a new pod cast in which she talks to famous people about their

:02:09. > :02:13.mental health, and their first guest is, amazingly, Prince Harry, who has

:02:14. > :02:17.talked in this very unfiltered, honest, dramatic way about the

:02:18. > :02:21.anguish and the grief over his mother's death. It won't surprise

:02:22. > :02:26.anyone to know that he has been struggling with this. He lost his

:02:27. > :02:31.mum when he was 12 years old, and he has had to deal with that, and live

:02:32. > :02:36.with that, in the public eye. What really is astonishing, what makes

:02:37. > :02:40.the interview historic, is a member of the Royal Family talking in such

:02:41. > :02:45.a candidate and frank matter about so private a subject. He goes on to

:02:46. > :02:50.say later in the article, on the front page, which advertises the

:02:51. > :02:53.piece that he has done, the experience I have is that once you

:02:54. > :02:57.start talking about it, you realise that you are actually part of a big

:02:58. > :03:02.club. But it is that silence, isn't it, that people feel unable to share

:03:03. > :03:07.with each other. The trauma, the upset, the grief that they have gone

:03:08. > :03:11.through. Mental health issues are... It is still the boot, I think. But I

:03:12. > :03:17.think this historic interview will go massively fire to breaking down

:03:18. > :03:23.those issues that people have about talking about it, as well -- taboo.

:03:24. > :03:30.It is immensely brave, and he is using an princely language, using

:03:31. > :03:36.very visceral, human terms -- unprincely. He said he wanted to

:03:37. > :03:42.punch someone out, all the time. And you look at him now, I think, in a

:03:43. > :03:47.completely different light than before, when he made this interview.

:03:48. > :03:50.He is very much his mother's son. You are saying in the first part of

:03:51. > :03:54.this programme that it was reminiscent of his mother's frank

:03:55. > :04:01.interview about the divorce. It is also reminiscent to me of his mother

:04:02. > :04:04.reaching out to AIDS victims, a willingness to go somewhere where

:04:05. > :04:07.everyone is a little bit uncomfortable, the media, the

:04:08. > :04:13.establishment unwilling to break it to do, crossed a line, and talk

:04:14. > :04:21.frankly, without any elitism whatsoever -- breaker taboo. Being

:04:22. > :04:29.willing to go there and talk about it, in the same way she did with

:04:30. > :04:33.AIDS. How much of risk it that he has done this interview? I don't

:04:34. > :04:36.think this is a risk at all. I think people will praise him for his

:04:37. > :04:41.bravery in speaking about this. We were talking offset about whether

:04:42. > :04:45.Clarence House had seen this or not. Remember, he is moving into a new

:04:46. > :04:51.phase of his life, he has a girlfriend, but in November he spoke

:04:52. > :04:55.out quite extensively about media intrusion into his partner's

:04:56. > :04:59.personal life as well. It was said at the time that it didn't seem to

:05:00. > :05:02.have gone through Clarence House. There were a few ruffled feathers

:05:03. > :05:09.about how he had gone out an attack the media, and I wonder, with this

:05:10. > :05:12.interview, whether maybe he was shooting from the hit a little bit

:05:13. > :05:20.himself. So maybe there is that question about, wow, you have spoken

:05:21. > :05:24.so rawly about this, but I can't see any downside for him. He will get

:05:25. > :05:29.praised for this. You can't really do an interview on the subject, can

:05:30. > :05:34.you, without laying it all out? Absolutely. I guess if there is any

:05:35. > :05:37.risk, it is not about anyone thinking less of him for talking

:05:38. > :05:41.about the subject, if there is any risk it could be that some less

:05:42. > :05:45.scrupulous people in the press will take the view that he has opened

:05:46. > :05:49.himself up, so that invites us to go looking for more. I hope they won't.

:05:50. > :05:54.I don't think they will, because this feels so rave, so courageous,

:05:55. > :06:00.to almost go naked like this into the public with your deepest, rawest

:06:01. > :06:03.emotions, I think almost everyone will be touched by it and will

:06:04. > :06:11.respect it. Don't forget, it is about promoting his charity as well.

:06:12. > :06:15.He wants people to support Heads Together. It is not just someone

:06:16. > :06:19.talking about their private problems publicly. He clearly wants to send a

:06:20. > :06:25.message that people can and should talk about it, and even this great

:06:26. > :06:29.public figure is talking about it. In the Daily Mail, UK relations with

:06:30. > :06:36.Russia are at an all-time low. This is Moscow's ambassador in London.

:06:37. > :06:42.Saying that Number Ten has been raising tensions in Europe. How?

:06:43. > :06:48.Well, very undiplomatic language, taking a pop at Boris Johnson, who

:06:49. > :06:52.has perhaps had as a weeks. He presented his idea to the G7 that

:06:53. > :06:57.there should be new sanctions on Russia, which was rejected. He was

:06:58. > :07:05.also due to go to Moscow and cancelled his visit because Rex

:07:06. > :07:09.Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, wanted to go there as well.

:07:10. > :07:20.Very undiplomatic language for the UK to be using. Thinking of the

:07:21. > :07:26.Cambridge spy ring, Alexander Litvinenko, there have been bad

:07:27. > :07:30.moments. In the 1850s we were at war, but you can't get much worse

:07:31. > :07:34.than that. There is an interesting thing about the Putin regime, a

:07:35. > :07:39.willingness to use undiplomatic language, and even, as we were

:07:40. > :07:42.saying earlier, to troll people. The Russian embassy Twitter account

:07:43. > :07:47.sometimes goes after personalities and teases and trolls them. It fits

:07:48. > :07:51.in with that picture. Our relations at an all-time low? Well, the

:07:52. > :07:56.context of this is Britain sending troops to Estonia to put down a

:07:57. > :08:00.marker, along with NATO, to say we will not accept Russian aggression

:08:01. > :08:05.or revanchist when it comes to the Baltic countries. Our things at an

:08:06. > :08:10.all-time low? No. And there is more stuff that Britain could do if it

:08:11. > :08:14.wanted to send a message. This country as a source of enormous

:08:15. > :08:18.wealth for the Russians. There is a lot of investment, a lot of buying

:08:19. > :08:20.of property, a lot of money which goes through London, and any

:08:21. > :08:24.government which really wanted to punish the Russians could start

:08:25. > :08:30.addressing that. If the Russians think things are bad, it could get a

:08:31. > :08:35.whole lot worse. We will go to the Guardian. Calls for a recount as

:08:36. > :08:39.Erdogan claims new power in Turkey. The opposition are not repaired to

:08:40. > :08:44.concede they have lost, they want something like 60% of the votes to

:08:45. > :08:47.be recounted, looking for irregularities. It seems that some

:08:48. > :08:51.of the ballots did not have the official stamp on it. You can

:08:52. > :08:57.understand why the opposition... Every opposition says this, so it is

:08:58. > :09:00.understandable, and the result was very narrow, and therefore they are

:09:01. > :09:04.more inclined to challenge it because it could make a difference,

:09:05. > :09:09.but also this is a leader who has been arresting journalists, jurors,

:09:10. > :09:17.people who are dissidents, in other words, why would you trust him, if

:09:18. > :09:20.he is the state, to efficiently and accurately and fairly run an

:09:21. > :09:29.election? It is entirely understandable they are protesting.

:09:30. > :09:33.Of course, it puts Erdogan in a very difficult position. He has just been

:09:34. > :09:41.given the tools to use great power, but on the other hand because the

:09:42. > :09:45.country is so divided, if he is wise he will not use that great power. It

:09:46. > :09:50.is the worst possible outcome for Turkey, and he very deliberately

:09:51. > :09:56.used very strong man terms during the election campaign, a very bitter

:09:57. > :10:03.and rancorous election campaign, quite an emotive speech he gave

:10:04. > :10:07.afterwards. Saying that he wants eventually to bring back the death

:10:08. > :10:10.penalty, so then you have international bodies saying, be very

:10:11. > :10:19.cautious about how you proceed. And of course, with the EU, Turkey has

:10:20. > :10:23.long dreamt of joining the EU. You now have a strong man in power, do

:10:24. > :10:28.have a benign dictatorship or not a benign dictatorship on the borders

:10:29. > :10:32.of the EU? How does that impact on things, and how will the EU react to

:10:33. > :10:36.this as well? Tomorrow, bear in mind they have been giving 3 billion

:10:37. > :10:43.euros a year to solve that slight migrant issue we have going on in

:10:44. > :10:47.Greece as well. So it actually adds more uncertainty, this election. The

:10:48. > :10:51.rubberstamp the needed did not come. He thought he would get 55%. He

:10:52. > :11:00.didn't get it -- the rubberstamp he needed. And the government tries to

:11:01. > :11:04.block Iraq War case against Blair. It is a private prosecution. It is a

:11:05. > :11:09.private prosecution, the former chief of staff of the Iraqi army is

:11:10. > :11:14.trying to bring this. This is on the back of the Chilcott enquiry, which

:11:15. > :11:18.we all know about, which was published last year. Jeremy Wright

:11:19. > :11:22.QC, the attorney general, has said there are a number of reasons that

:11:23. > :11:26.can't be done. It is quite involved legalese, he has said you can't have

:11:27. > :11:33.aggression under English law, that courts should not rule to create

:11:34. > :11:37.criminal law, they should interpret the law. But again, we are talking

:11:38. > :11:43.about whether we are going to get involved in various disputes around

:11:44. > :11:47.the world. Of course, Iraq for many people still looms large in some

:11:48. > :11:51.people may say can we move on? I think if we did a poll of the

:11:52. > :11:55.audience and said should Tony Blair be prosecuted, it would be very

:11:56. > :12:02.interesting to see what they thought. He is not a popular man in

:12:03. > :12:07.this country, it is fair to say. The legal process still continues for

:12:08. > :12:12.certain people. Interesting to see the government intervened to try to

:12:13. > :12:15.quash this. It looks as though the private prosecution doesn't have a

:12:16. > :12:22.leg to stand on because he has effectively already been granted

:12:23. > :12:26.immunity, and there was a private prosecution -- if there was a

:12:27. > :12:29.private prosecution, stuff under the Official Secrets Act would be

:12:30. > :12:34.dredged up. Do people want to move on? I don't know. On the one hand

:12:35. > :12:37.Iraq was an enormous shock to the country, and it is something we are

:12:38. > :12:41.still living with the consequences. It still informs our foreign policy,

:12:42. > :12:46.it is one reason we didn't get directly involved with bringing down

:12:47. > :12:51.Assad in 2013. On the other hand, do we need to draw a line and move on?

:12:52. > :13:01.I am not so sure. You could put Tony Blair on trial, and that would give

:13:02. > :13:04.some people some sense of satisfaction, to see the past

:13:05. > :13:08.properly prosecuted. On the other hand, you might also feel it gives

:13:09. > :13:11.Tony Blair more oxygen and continues to keep him as a player within our

:13:12. > :13:15.political system. Which by the way he continues to want to be, he has

:13:16. > :13:23.announced his political comeback. Finishing with the Sun, Mission

:13:24. > :13:27.Kimpossible. US cyber spooks destroyed missile five seconds after

:13:28. > :13:34.launch, some intervention, the Sun would have us believe. Sir Malcolm

:13:35. > :13:37.Rifkind believes there is a possibility, that the US has the

:13:38. > :13:41.capability to interrupt a nuclear test like this, and it is possible,

:13:42. > :13:46.who knows, but that might have happened again. It is a fantastic

:13:47. > :13:49.headline and in some ways it is slightly irrelevant. The point is

:13:50. > :13:53.that it failed, and what matters more is what America and China

:13:54. > :13:58.between the two of them are going to do about it. Does it matter that it

:13:59. > :14:03.failed? If you didn't fail under its own uselessness, they couldn't fire

:14:04. > :14:10.their own test missile, and it had to be intercepted. Incompetency, or

:14:11. > :14:16.something worse, I don't know. The US has said it it had been a nuclear

:14:17. > :14:20.test then I think Trump would have taken action. I think that is the

:14:21. > :14:25.more important point. And that would have been an extra red line for

:14:26. > :14:29.China. Precisely. It would be an act of incompetence if your system could

:14:30. > :14:34.be hacked. So in that sense it is incompetent regardless of whether it

:14:35. > :14:37.took place or not. North Korea is probably already in effect a nuclear

:14:38. > :14:44.state. The issue is its ability to deliver them weapons. And one reason

:14:45. > :14:51.America has to act is not just being bellicose, this is a National

:14:52. > :14:55.Security issue. If North Korea can probably deliver a nuclear weapon

:14:56. > :15:00.across the Pacific Ocean and strike the West Coast, or Alaska or Hawaii,

:15:01. > :15:06.then it becomes a national security matter. And we have Mike Pence in

:15:07. > :15:10.the region trying to reassure North Korea's neighbours. Which was

:15:11. > :15:13.preplanned. We should make it clear that he didn't just decide to

:15:14. > :15:19.parachute himself in. We were talking earlier, and China is the

:15:20. > :15:21.big issue. What is their role in this, and how do they played? China

:15:22. > :15:26.has supported North Korea economically in terms of its energy

:15:27. > :15:36.resources, in terms of its food. Let's not forget, North Korea's

:15:37. > :15:39.raison d'etre is almost too destroy the country of South Korea. The

:15:40. > :15:44.question is, are they bluffing or will they see this through? It is a

:15:45. > :15:50.paper tiger. Its conventional forces are quite weak and could easily be

:15:51. > :15:54.overwhelmed. Despite those displays. At some of the stuff being displayed

:15:55. > :15:59.as possibly not even real. It is easy to whip up a crowd like that

:16:00. > :16:02.and put on a Big Show. That is why they have those big rallies, to

:16:03. > :16:06.intimidate the West. What is interesting is how laid-back South

:16:07. > :16:09.Koreans are about all of this. I think they are rather phlegmatic

:16:10. > :16:13.about it. You hear the Helen Furey coming out of North Korea all the

:16:14. > :16:18.time, and I think they have almost got used to it. Let's bear in mind

:16:19. > :16:24.soul is only 35 miles away from the border, and they do have thousands

:16:25. > :16:29.of armed missiles pointed at Seoul -- Seoul. If something happens,

:16:30. > :16:36.Seoul, with 10 million souls, would be in the crosshairs.

:16:37. > :16:41.Don't forget, all the front pages are online on the BBC News website,

:16:42. > :16:44.where you can read a detailed review of the papers.

:16:45. > :16:48.It is all there for you seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers,