:00:22. > :00:25.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
:00:26. > :00:32.With me are John Rentoul, the Chief Political Columnist
:00:33. > :00:34.at The Independent, Ruth Lea, Economic Adviser
:00:35. > :00:36.for Arbuthnot Banking Group and the broadcaster,
:00:37. > :00:41.Welcome. Thank you for being here tonight.
:00:42. > :00:43.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with this.
:00:44. > :00:46.The Observer leads on today's summit of EU leaders saying they want
:00:47. > :00:50.the UK to provide guarantees to EU citizens living in Britain before
:00:51. > :00:54.The Sunday Times reports that the other EU member states have
:00:55. > :00:57.rejected Theresa May's negotiating position and accused her of living
:00:58. > :01:00.The Sunday Telegraph says the Prime Minister has rejected
:01:01. > :01:03.the demands coming from Brussels with politicians on both sides
:01:04. > :01:06.of the Channel warning that the talks could turn nasty.
:01:07. > :01:08.The Mail on Sunday focuses on pensions, reporting that
:01:09. > :01:11.Theresa May will bring in new laws to prevent a repeat
:01:12. > :01:15.of the Sir Philip Green BHS scandal if she wins the election.
:01:16. > :01:18.The Independent has a photo of Theresa May campaigning
:01:19. > :01:20.in Scotland but its lead story is about Jeremy Corbyn.
:01:21. > :01:24.It says the Labour leader is looking at curbing arms sales to repressive
:01:25. > :01:28.And the Sunday Express concentrates on the investigation
:01:29. > :01:29.into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,
:01:30. > :01:53.It says Scotland Yard's prime suspect is a woman.
:01:54. > :02:01.And now we will look at how some of the papers have been covering the
:02:02. > :02:08.meeting in Brussels of the 27 states you want to remain part of the EU.
:02:09. > :02:17.The Observer. Give us our rights or no trade talks. They urge a spirit
:02:18. > :02:22.of good will in the talks. Do they really? I think there is a bit of
:02:23. > :02:29.posturing in these talks. There is no question about citizens' rights.
:02:30. > :02:34.Everyone has agreed on that. What will be an issue is the price. How
:02:35. > :02:38.much will the exit deal cost? I could take a long time. That is
:02:39. > :02:42.where all the outlandish phrases about Theresa May living in another
:02:43. > :02:50.galaxy or a parallel universe are coming from. The amount we want to
:02:51. > :02:55.pay and how much they want us to pay are so far apart. Who will win that
:02:56. > :03:13.argument? They both will. Yes. I am an economist. You never see a person
:03:14. > :03:17.who is an economist with one hand. They say they will start with the
:03:18. > :03:21.divorce proceedings. I quite agree. The financial settlement will be the
:03:22. > :03:25.big Rob them. There has to be substantial progress before with dot
:03:26. > :03:31.discussing the new relationship between the EU and the UK. --
:03:32. > :03:36.problem. But if there is significant progress made, they will start trade
:03:37. > :03:41.talks. It is easy, Charlie, to think that Britain needs the trade deal
:03:42. > :03:50.more than anyone elsebut of course we do a lot of business with the EU.
:03:51. > :03:53.Exactly. I don't see why we need to pay to leave. I don't get the
:03:54. > :03:59.concept. I believe in a thing called powers of state and statecraft. Will
:04:00. > :04:05.they come and collect the money? Will they take us to court? If you
:04:06. > :04:10.have agreed to chip in to something, shouldn't you on that? Not like
:04:11. > :04:25.this. This is like a Hollywood divorce. It is almost like, who was
:04:26. > :04:32.it, Judge Ida bore, -- Zsa Zsa. You know, I will keep the house. To me,
:04:33. > :04:38.it just shows what the EU is all about. I will always believe this.
:04:39. > :04:42.We don't need them. We will happily trade with the individual states or
:04:43. > :04:47.with the EU as a whole. They will want to sell their products. We need
:04:48. > :04:55.a deal to do that. We will come back to the deal. The front of The
:04:56. > :05:03.Observer. Labour pledged to put a halt to unpaid internships and zero
:05:04. > :05:07.contracts. It is really small thinking. I would rather have an
:05:08. > :05:12.economy that is moving and giving people the chance to participate in
:05:13. > :05:17.it than this. We are supposed to be grown-ups. If the deal is not good,
:05:18. > :05:21.don't take the deal. But if you are desperate for a job? Then the deal
:05:22. > :05:26.is good. It is still your decision at the end of the day. Again, I
:05:27. > :05:31.would rather have, in certain situations, a job at low pay, at
:05:32. > :05:37.least knowing I am working, and have the ability to, you know... There
:05:38. > :05:43.have been some bad press things written about zero-hours contracts.
:05:44. > :05:49.What he is saying is an arguable, a job is better than no job. But you
:05:50. > :05:57.don't exploit workers, that is part of the. -- inarguable. Labour's
:05:58. > :06:00.policy is that they are against exploitative zero-hour contracts. I
:06:01. > :06:12.think they can be good ones sometimes. But the band altogether
:06:13. > :06:16.is a bit heavy-handed, actually. You risk people losing jobs. Taking the
:06:17. > :06:20.pay cap off of public sector workers, well, where is the money
:06:21. > :06:26.going to come from? We are still running a deficit of 2.5% of GDP.
:06:27. > :06:33.Will Jeremy Corbyn raise another ?20 billion? I worry about that and his
:06:34. > :06:38.attitudes to finance. When it comes to these, minimum wages, living
:06:39. > :06:44.wages, the ones it affects and lose out are in minorities. They are the
:06:45. > :06:47.ones that need to get on the ladder at any place and build up
:06:48. > :06:52.experience. They are the ones that suffer the most. Unskilled. Both of
:06:53. > :07:00.them have a stunt of raising the minimum wage. They are campaigning
:07:01. > :07:05.and using some other guy's money. If they want benefit out of the tax
:07:06. > :07:13.funds, you can argue about it. But I don't want Martine's money to get me
:07:14. > :07:23.a vote. I am so relieved. The Telegraph. Theresa May rejects
:07:24. > :07:28.Brussels' demands no sooner than they have been thrown out. Posturing
:07:29. > :07:36.and posturing. She won't, in my view. It is facetious to expect they
:07:37. > :07:40.will both win. What happens in a negotiation ordinarily? If you don't
:07:41. > :07:46.like it, don't agree. When she gave her speech in January, she said a
:07:47. > :07:52.bad deal is worse than no deal. Fair enough. But I do think she is very
:07:53. > :07:57.keen to get some sort of deal. And I hope that we do get a deal. Because
:07:58. > :08:00.I don't think it is a good idea strategically or indeed economically
:08:01. > :08:07.if you simply just walked away from the EU. It would be bad form or
:08:08. > :08:15.all-round. But I am optimistic there is enough good will. I think there
:08:16. > :08:18.is reasonable good will on all sides. It is in the interests of
:08:19. > :08:23.everybody. But there are constraints. She cannot offer a
:08:24. > :08:29.large amount of money, Theresa May, because voters back home will not
:08:30. > :08:32.buy it. She said we will fulfil our obligations. That could be 40
:08:33. > :08:41.billion pounds! Soon you will be talking large sums of money! I am
:08:42. > :08:44.disputing that. I think they are very keen to do a deal. Why would
:08:45. > :08:52.the papers exaggerate this? Because they are papers. Journalists, ay!
:08:53. > :09:00.Yeah, yeah, they just want a good headline. They are scandalous rags!
:09:01. > :09:05.There is a very good Matt cartoon on The Telegraph. We will not take part
:09:06. > :09:10.but we have to keep paying, like gym membership. Somebody reading the
:09:11. > :09:15.Brexit bill. Theresa May keeps saying she needs a big majority so
:09:16. > :09:27.she has got the mandate to negotiate how she wants to within Brexit. Is
:09:28. > :09:31.there any chance you will hold onto the single market or the customs
:09:32. > :09:35.union? This is an area I am not totally an expert on. I don't think
:09:36. > :09:39.we really need to copy from people I have spoken to that none more about
:09:40. > :09:44.these things than I do, I think that in a sense you are still a member of
:09:45. > :09:51.Europe by the backdoor because you will still have these laws affecting
:09:52. > :10:00.it. -- that know. I want three and fair trade. I am not against Europe.
:10:01. > :10:06.-- free. These people are leaks that are above everything. They have no
:10:07. > :10:10.democratic mandate as far as I am concerned. But I want to trade with
:10:11. > :10:17.Europe, I want to do and travel in Europe. But we believe Europe and
:10:18. > :10:22.make it more difficult. We will are leaving the single market, the
:10:23. > :10:27.customs union, no doubt about it. That will cause economic harm to
:10:28. > :10:33.this nation. I am not convinced that is true. Things will continue as
:10:34. > :10:37.they are doing. Even under the WTO this will continue. But we will have
:10:38. > :10:42.to pay tariffs and there will be less of it. They will pay more to us
:10:43. > :10:53.then we will do them because they have a very huge trade deficit. --
:10:54. > :11:04.them. 60 billion quid! What is? The trade deficit! Don't argue with an
:11:05. > :11:10.economist. Tory sidestep Heathrow split. The manifesto, will it
:11:11. > :11:13.mention Heathrow? I don't think so. We are one week away from the
:11:14. > :11:17.publication of the manifesto. Theresa May looks like she will
:11:18. > :11:21.dodge one issue that is difficult because Boris Johnson and Zac
:11:22. > :11:26.Goldsmith, who wants to be an MP again, are both opposed to it. Don't
:11:27. > :11:32.mention the war or Heathrow. What does that suggest to you about when
:11:33. > :11:38.a decision will be made, then? They will be kicking this down the
:11:39. > :11:44.runway, pretty much. Runway? This election is all about Brexit. This
:11:45. > :11:50.is giving her that referendum before the referendum so she can argue
:11:51. > :11:53.under her own terms, which, in some respects, I think, is needed. We
:11:54. > :11:58.decided to get out. This is negotiating. You have to live it to
:11:59. > :12:05.one person to take the lead-up to that makes sense. I can see it.
:12:06. > :12:09.Jeremy Corbyn, talking to some Labour people the other night, they
:12:10. > :12:12.told me they were scared to death of him. But Jeremy Corbyn has
:12:13. > :12:19.incredible grassroots support. He made not the popular among his
:12:20. > :12:22.parliamentary party... But that will not go. If they lose the next
:12:23. > :12:27.election, we should not really assume they will, but I think they
:12:28. > :12:31.have odds against them for a win. But if they do and Jeremy Corbyn
:12:32. > :12:38.steps down, does he go as leader? The membership could vote him back
:12:39. > :12:42.again. Opinion polls keep saying he will. The gap is slightly closer
:12:43. > :12:53.than it has been under three opinion polls, though. 50? 40? 11, 17, and
:12:54. > :12:56.13. I was in favour of him getting involved. I thought we could hear
:12:57. > :13:02.from the other side of the fair enough. Have a say. Then we will go
:13:03. > :13:09.back to normalcy. That is never a good idea. It isn't. I hang my head
:13:10. > :13:18.in shame. The Independent. An exclusive festival from Watts. --
:13:19. > :13:22.article. Jeremy Corbyn sets his sights on the arms industry.
:13:23. > :13:29.Considering a pledge on curbing arm sales. That has been in their
:13:30. > :13:33.manifestoes since year dot. The problem for Jeremy Corbyn is he does
:13:34. > :13:47.not have a reputation on national security. Anything which looks like
:13:48. > :13:51.an attack on the arms industry, however justified I think he is, is
:13:52. > :13:54.going to feed into perceptions he is weak on defence. In the arms is
:13:55. > :13:58.profitable which is embarrassing. But it contributes to trade. It
:13:59. > :14:04.amuses me, it says here, Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary,
:14:05. > :14:18.praised a US firm that sold missiles to Gaddafi as a role model. This is
:14:19. > :14:21.always the thing, the ethical considerations versus how much money
:14:22. > :14:28.it makes. And if you aren't going to sell to one or the other, who do you
:14:29. > :14:34.not be friends with and have a relationship with? The one thing
:14:35. > :14:39.that truly scares me about Jeremy Corbyn, I am not going to agree with
:14:40. > :14:46.him politically, there enough. I got a quote out of him, the one about
:14:47. > :14:53.when Osama Bin Laden was taken out. I was on press TV with him and we
:14:54. > :15:01.were talking about not shooting him. I said, we can agree to not agree on
:15:02. > :15:05.the death penalty. At if you can't send your soldiers into the country
:15:06. > :15:13.to kill the enemy... When you have someone say, I will never press the
:15:14. > :15:18.button, that's avoidance of duty. You are supposed to be sitting in
:15:19. > :15:22.that seat at Number 10. But for some people that's an honest and south.
:15:23. > :15:28.But not when you are responsible for the safety of your country, security
:15:29. > :15:32.of the country. It is what we use and every day that we don't get
:15:33. > :15:37.attacked by somebody else and every day that things it's their... It's a
:15:38. > :15:42.deterrent and hopefully no one ever has to make that decision. The
:15:43. > :15:47.problem that Jeremy Corbyn has is Labour's policies to the deterrent,
:15:48. > :15:51.but his personal policy is to never use it, in which case it is useless.
:15:52. > :15:58.So there is a genuine political problem. John's story is called,
:15:59. > :16:03.Theresa May must abolish the Lord's. That's a provocative headline!
:16:04. > :16:07.Please explain. My point is that the one thing that could stop the recent
:16:08. > :16:14.May achieving a Brexit deal that she wants is the House of Lords. I am
:16:15. > :16:18.wondering whether she ought to put her commitment in the manifesto to
:16:19. > :16:23.reform or a abolish the Lord's in order to stop them stopping her. She
:16:24. > :16:28.isn't going to abolish the Lord's, is she? I think it is unlikely, but
:16:29. > :16:32.she ought to consider constraining the Lord's as the power further in
:16:33. > :16:37.order to prevent them causing problems during the Brexit
:16:38. > :16:42.negotiations. Well, they've got an election chamber, but they are meant
:16:43. > :16:45.to hold the government to account. I thought the behaviour when they were
:16:46. > :16:51.pushing out of the 53... The triggering of Article 50 was the EU
:16:52. > :16:56.notification bill. The way the Lord's behaved over that I thought
:16:57. > :17:02.was disgraceful. Why? Because they are on a late it. I didn't elect any
:17:03. > :17:07.lord and they just said... They were frustrating the will of the British
:17:08. > :17:11.people. I voted for Brexit. There was a referendum that said we should
:17:12. > :17:15.leave the EU and there were all of these unelected people who were
:17:16. > :17:18.potentially frustrating that particular position. A lot of people
:17:19. > :17:25.argued that Brexit was necessary to return powers to our Parliament,
:17:26. > :17:32.which is where sovereignty lies. Elected Parliament. Parliament is
:17:33. > :17:37.two houses, an upper and lower change -- chamber. How can you
:17:38. > :17:43.separate that? The Lord's are unelected! Where there is a
:17:44. > :17:50.difference is, in the system it is the Queen and Parliament. In the US
:17:51. > :17:58.system it is we the people. We've had a referendum and the people have
:17:59. > :18:04.spoken. Here it is we, the Queen. Ultimately it is... Yes. Seriously.
:18:05. > :18:11.We, the people. The people have spoken. Now the power that's been
:18:12. > :18:15.vested in the Lord's and the Parliament, even though it comes
:18:16. > :18:20.through the Queen, it comes to the people and they have spoken. Of
:18:21. > :18:25.everyone around the desk tonight, you were not the one I thought I
:18:26. > :18:30.would have trouble with! I am a well-behaved person usually. Not
:18:31. > :18:39.tonight, when I am in charge! I am a pensioner so I have to indulge! I am
:18:40. > :18:48.nearly 105! Where are we going next? Donald Trump. 100 days. How would
:18:49. > :18:59.you sum up his first 100 days? It thinks it has done extremely well,
:19:00. > :19:13.even better than FDR... Obama on a disaster, but this was wonderful!
:19:14. > :19:19.What's... He has had some stuff that hasn't gone well. His attempts to
:19:20. > :19:25.stop people coming in from certain countries were thwarted by the
:19:26. > :19:29.courts. They have the power to do it, but I think it was the wrong
:19:30. > :19:36.decision. He has the constitutional right to do what he did. He has a
:19:37. > :19:43.title law that backed him up. You could tell us anything! He did have
:19:44. > :19:52.the power. That's his jurisdiction to do that. For instance, the court,
:19:53. > :19:57.when he reject the thing, they were using staffie said on the campaign
:19:58. > :20:04.trail. That's ludicrous! But not just one judge made this decision.
:20:05. > :20:07.Successive judges made the decision. It was a nasty campaign on all
:20:08. > :20:11.sides. The press don't like him because he isn't part of the club.
:20:12. > :20:18.Everyone thinks he is this buffoon. Jon Sopel found out that you don't
:20:19. > :20:24.mess with the chief. He got slapped out of the press conference. But it
:20:25. > :20:31.doesn't make you think that he believes in free speech, does it?
:20:32. > :20:35.That press conference was all about the leaking of information and I
:20:36. > :20:39.could be where he was really hacked off, because he said, listen, you
:20:40. > :20:47.want to write bad stories about me, fine, if they are true. A lot of the
:20:48. > :20:52.stories haven't suited his purpose. A lot of them turn out to be true.
:20:53. > :21:00.100 days is an arbitrary marker. That said, he said it himself. He is
:21:01. > :21:04.going to have to live with some of it. It's been like no one has ever
:21:05. > :21:08.seen before, the first 100 days. He has changed his mind. Clearly
:21:09. > :21:13.somebody has advised him that he had thought that of his original idea. I
:21:14. > :21:17.am delighted. A lot of people said during the election campaign, don't
:21:18. > :21:25.listen to Donald Trump. Don't take it seriously. And so it turns out
:21:26. > :21:32.that in the 180 has tried to do all sort of things and as soon as he has
:21:33. > :21:36.resistance he does rethink it. When people were complaining about things
:21:37. > :21:47.not getting through Congress, that's how it is supposed to be. With
:21:48. > :21:50.President Obama... I am just going to sign the executive order, by
:21:51. > :21:55.people off... Donald Trump side plenty of executive orders as well.
:21:56. > :21:58.I am very glad he is settling down because I thought some of his
:21:59. > :22:04.comments were horrendously extreme. It is the checks and balances in the
:22:05. > :22:08.American city. It seems to be functioning incredibly well and he
:22:09. > :22:12.hasn't as an opposition from some of the judges, he has also had
:22:13. > :22:18.opposition from Congress, not least of all his own party. This is his
:22:19. > :22:22.own party, saying, hang on. So when it comes to all of this cut, I'm not
:22:23. > :22:28.sure he will get it through Congress. Let us finish with one
:22:29. > :22:34.other story. A comb. HS2 trains bulk up for the bulking. -- a comb.
:22:35. > :22:44.People are getting more fat. Broader? Taller and bigger. So they
:22:45. > :22:47.need to have bigger seats. This is HS2 so it gives me a great
:22:48. > :22:52.opportunity to say that I think HS2 is a dreadful white elephant and
:22:53. > :22:56.there should be banned forthwith! That will make it more expensive! I
:22:57. > :23:01.think it's a waste of money and I think it will further increase the
:23:02. > :23:05.pulling power of London in the UK economy because it is just another
:23:06. > :23:13.railway out of London, which will attract more commuters. The
:23:14. > :23:21.economics are rubbish. We should be spending the money on better
:23:22. > :23:24.transport links in the rest of the UK. Better roads. I think our roads
:23:25. > :23:28.are disgraceful, as someone who spent a lot of time on motorways. I
:23:29. > :23:36.take the train to Manchester. How fast the you need to get there? It's
:23:37. > :23:41.a small country! Maybe you should get a rocket from London to
:23:42. > :23:47.Manchester. Two hours! You read and you work. And you watch the
:23:48. > :23:51.pretty... I'm sorry but HS2 has no takers around this table. Many
:23:52. > :23:59.people who have lobbied for it, she says... That's it for the night. We
:24:00. > :24:06.should try and do this more often. Three guests, half an hour, yes!
:24:07. > :24:08.Thank you all very much. Coming up next, it must be time for the
:24:09. > :24:11.weather!