12/05/2017

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:00:00. > :00:26.Conte. They are champions again. Frank Ross, it is good night.

:00:27. > :00:31.Welcome to The Papers. We are joined by Steven blush, special

:00:32. > :00:37.correspondent for the new statesman, and Ian Martin, columnist for The

:00:38. > :00:41.Times. Welcome to you both. The front pages are dominated by the

:00:42. > :00:46.cyber attack. Hospitals paralysed after cyber hackers held the NHS to

:00:47. > :00:51.ransom in an unprecedented global attack. The daily Mirror highlights

:00:52. > :00:57.A units vehicles and operations cancelled as they say hackers who is

:00:58. > :01:01.NHS to ransom. Ambience is diverted and staff turning to pen and paper

:01:02. > :01:06.after computers and phone lines were in lockdown. According to The Times,

:01:07. > :01:11.patients weekend of chaos as security services hold an

:01:12. > :01:13.international criminal gang. The Sun reports the statement by Theresa May

:01:14. > :01:18.the patient records have not been compromised. The Daily Telegraph as

:01:19. > :01:22.doctors when lives are at risk. The cyber attackers have been linked to

:01:23. > :01:25.Russia. It carries an interview with Boris Johnson who says Russia might

:01:26. > :01:33.be attempting to sabotage the general election. The Guardian

:01:34. > :01:37.suggests up to 40 hospitals in the UK and GP surgeries have been

:01:38. > :01:41.affected. It reports a political story, quoting from an interview it

:01:42. > :01:44.has with the deputy leader of Labour, Tom Watson, whose as the

:01:45. > :01:51.party is determined to turn its poll numbers around. I am sure to put

:01:52. > :01:58.this spelling mistakes in just the fox me. Let's start with the cyber

:01:59. > :02:03.attack. The Financial Times, NHS hackers used stolen cyber weapons

:02:04. > :02:12.from US spy agency. Supposedly this has come from the national security

:02:13. > :02:16.agency in America. It seems to be something called eternal blue, which

:02:17. > :02:23.was developed by Kers spies and stolen and has been used to

:02:24. > :02:30.supercharge the hand of this mysterious kind of hackers. It is a

:02:31. > :02:35.massive story. It cuts right through the UK general election and is one

:02:36. > :02:40.of those stories which raises a lot of questions about how prepared the

:02:41. > :02:45.NHS was, about basic questions about fundamental cyber security, which

:02:46. > :02:53.the government will be quite nervous about. A lot of experts we have been

:02:54. > :03:00.speaking to sink the NHS was not the target here. It just got caught up

:03:01. > :03:04.in this ransomware which was sent out and, unfortunately, it had an

:03:05. > :03:09.effect on the health service. The big questions which will be raised

:03:10. > :03:19.is this weapon, built by the US security service and sold online and

:03:20. > :03:25.then used by hackers. Questions will be raised here, we have known about

:03:26. > :03:30.this problem for a while. Microsoft has a free patch available to fix

:03:31. > :03:34.that problem. If it hasn't been installed at the NHS than people

:03:35. > :03:42.have been lax or you have people in the NHS is still using old operating

:03:43. > :03:47.systems. 90% of hospitals are using a system which wind was not greeted

:03:48. > :03:51.new security for 30 years. It is a story of underinvestment and IT

:03:52. > :03:55.infrastructure and the powers we give to the GCHQ and the NSA to

:03:56. > :03:57.build weapons like this and with any other weapon, once they are built,

:03:58. > :04:06.they can be bought and sold by anyone. The Daily Mail sent some

:04:07. > :04:11.hackers cripple the NHS. Operations were cancelled, ambulances had to be

:04:12. > :04:16.diverted, but it seems like a lot of staff responded incredibly fast to

:04:17. > :04:22.try to mitigate and reduce a lot of the impact it could have had. That

:04:23. > :04:26.is exactly it. There seems to have been a plan, a good contingency plan

:04:27. > :04:30.in place and it seems to have worked. I think what is not quite

:04:31. > :04:36.clear, it is not even clear to the government yet, for and what of the

:04:37. > :04:43.knock-on effects are into next week. I think people will be very tolerant

:04:44. > :04:50.and patient over the course of the weekend, but we will have to see

:04:51. > :04:53.when we get a Monday or Tuesday how convincingly this system has coped

:04:54. > :04:59.and how well the government answers the questions. Why were warnings

:05:00. > :05:07.ignored? Does the article explain what those warnings were coming

:05:08. > :05:14.from? I am not sure it does. It is not in the paper. The Guardian have

:05:15. > :05:17.stuff about warnings. The ex-assume it is about the vulnerability of

:05:18. > :05:21.older versions of Windows and we have known of these exist in the NHS

:05:22. > :05:25.because of the lung problem across various governments and different

:05:26. > :05:28.parties of Whitehall not being able to build its own pay-TV, so the

:05:29. > :05:32.advice of off-the-shelf, but you have to keep buying them what you

:05:33. > :05:36.have well-known vulnerabilities and it looks as if that might be the

:05:37. > :05:42.source of the NHS possible problems in this attack. Depending on which

:05:43. > :05:48.party you are, it looks as if the NHS is once again not having the

:05:49. > :05:54.investment it needs. Not the number of doctors and nurses, but the IT

:05:55. > :05:59.seem to be some suggestions that seem to be some suggestions that

:06:00. > :06:02.rather basic things which should have been done were not done. That

:06:03. > :06:07.will come out in the wash and there will be a Parliamentary enquiry and

:06:08. > :06:13.it is a serious subject. I should point out that it is a global

:06:14. > :06:18.problem and this has had 74 countries already. Chinese

:06:19. > :06:22.newspapers are talking about Chinese universities being affected. 60

:06:23. > :06:28.major health facilities in the US. It is not an exclusively British

:06:29. > :06:34.problem. In Spain there is a telecommunications company, the

:06:35. > :06:40.state-owned oil company in Brazil. They are affected as well. Who were

:06:41. > :06:48.the real target? They were asking for a bit coin as a ransom, if you

:06:49. > :06:55.want your data back and unencrypted, you have got to pay some money. Very

:06:56. > :07:00.probably it is getting money, rather than attacking any specific nation

:07:01. > :07:04.or government. It is an attack of cybercrime, rather than cyber

:07:05. > :07:09.terrorism. Probably they were just looking to see who out there was

:07:10. > :07:12.still vulnerable to the eternal blue full mobility and everyone watching

:07:13. > :07:16.this programme will know that in most offices, computers are replaced

:07:17. > :07:20.when they break down. Most of us will have ageing computers until

:07:21. > :07:25.they die. They will be hitting it to see if it works. Hackers hold NHS to

:07:26. > :07:30.ransom is the headline in the Telegraph. It is so difficult, if

:07:31. > :07:39.not impossible, to track who is responsible for these attacks. Very

:07:40. > :07:45.difficult. A global manhunt underway and this is presented very much as

:07:46. > :07:50.though the experts at GCHQ who are among the best in the field, as

:07:51. > :07:55.though they are leading the hunt, but I am sure lots of intelligence

:07:56. > :08:00.agencies will be involved. One practical concern that the Telegraph

:08:01. > :08:07.raises is just this question of medical records. That includes

:08:08. > :08:14.things like cancer diagnosis. Does the system have the ability to

:08:15. > :08:19.update the data that has lost that has been recently collected and

:08:20. > :08:25.people will want urgent answers on this in the next few days. Hopefully

:08:26. > :08:30.it has all been backed up somewhere. Stay with the Telegraph. Boris warns

:08:31. > :08:35.of Putin meddling in an election. Some interesting quotes. He covers a

:08:36. > :08:41.lot of ground in this article. He talks about the fact that Putin

:08:42. > :08:45.would be delighted with the Corbyn Wen, the threat of cyber hacking and

:08:46. > :08:48.the idea of the election is not a foregone conclusion. He talks about

:08:49. > :08:51.it being a realistic possibility that Putin will be involved in the

:08:52. > :08:58.election and talks about seeing it in America and France. There is a

:08:59. > :09:02.question to be had about whether it is a realistic chance in this

:09:03. > :09:07.election, as the election is not particularly close. To be honest, it

:09:08. > :09:12.is hard to see who the candidate Putin wouldn't be happy with in this

:09:13. > :09:15.election is. Jeremy Corbyn is very sceptical about American

:09:16. > :09:20.intervention abroad, Putin isn't that. Theresa May wants to take this

:09:21. > :09:25.out of the EU with what looks like a hard Exeter, Putin is quite into

:09:26. > :09:29.that as well. That isn't actually a foreign policy concern for the

:09:30. > :09:33.Kremlin. Vladimir Putin does have the sense of humour, but I don't

:09:34. > :09:40.think even he thinks he would stand a chance of making Jeremy Corbyn

:09:41. > :09:47.Prime Minister. It is an indication of how desperate the Conservatives

:09:48. > :09:53.are to hype up this idea of Corbyn as a threat, because that is the

:09:54. > :09:59.biggest threat, the idea of people thinking the election is already

:10:00. > :10:05.settled, that the Tories have a large majority test and. The concern

:10:06. > :10:11.is some people might not vote. Boris talking about the risk of the

:10:12. > :10:15.Russians subverting British democracy, which sounds rather

:10:16. > :10:20.unlikely. There are figures here from a survey of 40,000 voters by

:10:21. > :10:28.Lord Ashcroft which suggests an enormous landslide victory, if that

:10:29. > :10:34.poll is correct. It suggested a majority of 162 to 180 seats for the

:10:35. > :10:38.Tories. Bigger than Tony Blair's record majority in 1997, slightly

:10:39. > :10:42.bigger than the polls. In terms of the liver of food dissolving outside

:10:43. > :10:50.the cities, kind of what we would expect. Let's look at the Guardian.

:10:51. > :10:56.Don't turn may into Thatcher once Tom Watson. Above that, a man

:10:57. > :11:02.inspecting the bottom of the bus. Theresa May is looking for the C

:11:03. > :11:06.word. He means conservative. They are not mentioning Conservative,

:11:07. > :11:13.they are mentioning Theresa May. Tom Watson is essentially saying this is

:11:14. > :11:19.a coded leadership version of what Ben Bradshaw and various other MPs

:11:20. > :11:26.have been saying. Vote Labour to prevent a massive landslide and try

:11:27. > :11:30.to rescue some seats. He is warning that it will be very difficult to

:11:31. > :11:35.hold the Tories to account in the Commons if they have a majority of

:11:36. > :11:47.the order Margaret Thatcher had. It was 140 odd sheets, 100 seats in

:11:48. > :11:51.1983. It is fascinating to see this. The Conservatives themselves almost

:11:52. > :11:55.can't believe it. You see the power of this brand, whether you are

:11:56. > :12:01.sceptical about Theresa May or not. That picture you have added there,

:12:02. > :12:04.they would Conservatives is in tiny letters on the door on the side of

:12:05. > :12:12.the bus and the rest of it is hoped on Theresa May, her personality, her

:12:13. > :12:16.signature and the Tories are astonished by how well she has

:12:17. > :12:21.connected. There is a question of whether that will endure after the

:12:22. > :12:26.election. For the moment, she allows them to push into all expected

:12:27. > :12:30.territory. Jeremy Corbyn are talking about not being a pacifist and would

:12:31. > :12:33.use military action as a last resort and it would be bomb first talk

:12:34. > :12:39.litter pickers in his view that hasn't worked. That message will

:12:40. > :12:44.appeal to people, would it? That is their hope. Part of the context of

:12:45. > :12:48.that speech is the Labour MPs, Labour candidates, on the doorstep

:12:49. > :12:52.are worried that they don't have a strong line on security. One thing

:12:53. > :12:56.Jeremy was trying to do was think I am not a pacifist, there are

:12:57. > :13:02.situations in which I would use military force to cauterise that

:13:03. > :13:07.particular one. There is fatigued with foreign adventures, but people

:13:08. > :13:13.regard Theresa May as safe and stable, to use her own message. We

:13:14. > :13:22.shouldn't really keep repeating it? Should we? In any case, people

:13:23. > :13:25.regard Theresa May as someone who would do that anyway. That message

:13:26. > :13:29.would cut through and as they turn people around on Theresa May. The

:13:30. > :13:34.Conservatives can always say they don't have a coherent policy on

:13:35. > :13:40.security and defence. They want to rethink everything. The lines are so

:13:41. > :13:44.easy for Conservative Central office to draft you might suspect Jeremy

:13:45. > :13:51.Corbyn was a Tory agent. It is that easy on defence, patriotism,

:13:52. > :13:56.pacifism and all the rest of it. It is too easy for the Tories. What you

:13:57. > :14:00.are about to see and what happened today and is reflected in this

:14:01. > :14:04.coverage, the Tories are going on the attack now and using her

:14:05. > :14:10.personally to attack Corbyn and that is using the trust she has the

:14:11. > :14:14.hammer home the point. It is only just begun. They will turn up the

:14:15. > :14:18.volume. Let's finish with the times and a picture of the Chelsea

:14:19. > :14:24.manager, Antonio Conte, looking rather pleased after Chelsea won the

:14:25. > :14:30.Premier League by beating West Brom 1-0 at the hawthorns. You are not

:14:31. > :14:33.rejoicing around this table. I am not a football fan, but these

:14:34. > :14:40.Chelsea chaps seem to have one and well done. I am an Arsenal fan and

:14:41. > :14:44.very unhappy. Only one year ago, is it really a year ago, I was

:14:45. > :14:49.celebrating the fact that Leicester City had won. That was a romantic

:14:50. > :14:52.fairy tale. Just cast your mind back. That's it for The Papers

:14:53. > :14:57.denied. On the front pages are online on the BBC website. You can

:14:58. > :14:58.watch the programme on the BBC I