06/06/2017

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:00:00. > :00:00.we'll bring you the political leaders in Northern Ireland debating

:00:00. > :00:18.with each other, in front of a studio audience.

:00:19. > :00:20.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what tomorrow

:00:21. > :00:24.With me are Kate Proctor, Political Correspondent

:00:25. > :00:26.at The London Evening Standard and the broadcaster,

:00:27. > :00:31.The Financial Times leads with Theresa May's

:00:32. > :00:33.anticipated tour of marginal Labour-held constituencies,

:00:34. > :00:38.on the last day of campaigning on Wednesday.

:00:39. > :00:40.The i has an image of the Australian nurse

:00:41. > :00:44.who was killed in the London Bridge attack after she ran to help those

:00:45. > :00:49.The Metro has as its main story has Theresa May

:00:50. > :00:56.ramping up her anti-terror rhetoric two days before the election.

:00:57. > :00:58.The Guardian also reports on Theresa May's promise

:00:59. > :01:01.that she is ready to change human rights laws, if they stop

:01:02. > :01:03.the government from tackling the threat from terrorism

:01:04. > :01:06.while the Times says that MI5 ignored a warning

:01:07. > :01:11.from the Italian authorities, that one of the London Bridge

:01:12. > :01:13.attackers "wanted to be a terrorist".

:01:14. > :01:17.Italian-Moroccan Youseff Zaghba was placed on an international watch

:01:18. > :01:22.The Daily Mirror reports that British authorities were warned

:01:23. > :01:31.of Zaghba after he tried to flee Italy to fight in Syria.

:01:32. > :01:43.We start with the election, first. One day to go, 24 hours, a hell of a

:01:44. > :01:47.lot at stake, and the Conservatives firmly believe that they can get

:01:48. > :01:53.some of those votes hiding up there in the north? It looks that way, or

:01:54. > :01:57.it is an indication that she relies on it is a tight race engineer to do

:01:58. > :02:06.everything including going to the labour heartlands. -- Labour. Her

:02:07. > :02:11.hope is that a month is Labour supporters are some who just don't

:02:12. > :02:16.like Jeremy Corbyn. I suppose that is a bigger factor now, given the

:02:17. > :02:21.tenors that he is getting. Also UKIP, how many voted for them? 4

:02:22. > :02:26.million? Many were historically Labour supporters, and 20 UKIP. Now

:02:27. > :02:29.she would hope to Saturn back from UKIP and from Labour. So a lot to

:02:30. > :02:36.play for. -- snatch them back. Kate, play for. -- snatch them back. Kate,

:02:37. > :02:41.that these areas that be considered as will be campaigning in tomorrow,

:02:42. > :02:48.they are largely Leave areas? That is right. She has done Yorkshire.

:02:49. > :02:54.She has done Wales. She has gone to all those traditional Labour Brexit

:02:55. > :03:00.seats. It shows, really, how keen she is. And to actually get our

:03:01. > :03:06.vote. It is the ultimate in plastering. If you go to a Labour

:03:07. > :03:10.seat that has an 8000 majority, you really are showing that you mean

:03:11. > :03:14.business in the final days of your campaign. She did this in the

:03:15. > :03:18.beginning, then had a lull after the dementia tax went so badly for her.

:03:19. > :03:27.But she has gone straight back to her beginning campaign tactic, which

:03:28. > :03:36.was to get these massive majorities and put back and message out there.

:03:37. > :03:39.Dementia tax, Winter fuel allowances, means testing, all those

:03:40. > :03:44.issues that have perhaps hit the very core of the Conservative Party

:03:45. > :03:50.and her voters, potentially, you would expect, that is all behind her

:03:51. > :03:55.now? That is how I said because I think she is so on security. And it

:03:56. > :04:00.is not just that. I think this stage in the game and in the context of

:04:01. > :04:04.what has happened, I think security is one of the strongest things that

:04:05. > :04:07.she has. But also Brexit in the economy is also so wrapped up

:04:08. > :04:14.together, those two issues. Who will be the strongest? Who will give

:04:15. > :04:22.Bystrom 's financial future. I think those issues, social care, the

:04:23. > :04:31.winter fuel allowance, these are only. -- who will give us the best

:04:32. > :04:37.financial future. In a sense, it has been helpful because she has moved

:04:38. > :04:42.from some sticky subject. When her opinion polls went from very high

:04:43. > :04:46.too, you know... There is no denying it has been a bumpy ride photo. But

:04:47. > :04:49.the position that we're in now, considering what has happened, I

:04:50. > :04:53.think security will pull ahead as the key issue. But a lot of people

:04:54. > :04:56.firmly believe that Jeremy Corbyn's views on this, especially when it

:04:57. > :05:02.comes to police numbers, are important. And for them, tip the

:05:03. > :05:05.balance towards the Labour Party. Especially as Theresa May was Home

:05:06. > :05:12.Secretary at a time when police numbers were cut. By nearly 20,000.

:05:13. > :05:18.You talk to most police officers these days and they will say it has

:05:19. > :05:21.an impact. That is the first age of intelligence. Walking around,

:05:22. > :05:26.picking of information, seeing things, passing on, et cetera. With

:05:27. > :05:32.20,000 as police doing that, it will be... It will be tricky, why did? On

:05:33. > :05:37.the front page of the Guardian, Kate, Theresa May threatens to

:05:38. > :05:43.dismantle human rights laws in the wake of these terror attacks. And

:05:44. > :05:50.you want to do this while ago. -- and she wanted to do this a while

:05:51. > :05:53.ago. She says that these laws impede the ability of the British

:05:54. > :05:57.Parliament or the Home Secretary to get rid of undesirables. That is

:05:58. > :06:00.having the G7 's Home Secretary. She said she felt hamstrung by the

:06:01. > :06:05.European convention on human rights. I think it is a mate, there is a

:06:06. > :06:17.direction of travel, anyway. -- that is what she said when she was Home

:06:18. > :06:22.Secretary. It is a punchy thing to say. It is possibly the right thing

:06:23. > :06:25.to say because people want to hear today. To think this has come from

:06:26. > :06:30.nowhere would be misguided. This is in Theresa May has been interested

:06:31. > :06:33.in for a long time. She has not had to dismantle European laws to

:06:34. > :06:38.toughen up on these laws in our country. We have these things called

:06:39. > :06:44.control orders. The Labour Party introduced that. These are used

:06:45. > :06:48.sometimes and restrict people's movements and allow the authorities

:06:49. > :06:54.to monitor them. And I suspect that what she is hinting at the night is

:06:55. > :07:03.a return to, or rather to beef up, please orders. How you do that with

:07:04. > :07:07.the resources we have got, like the policeman, MI5, they would say they

:07:08. > :07:18.don't have the resources. So it is a big question. The Metro continues

:07:19. > :07:21.this story. Labour will argue that the powers exist already. You can do

:07:22. > :07:26.that within our own Constitution, not that we have written but within

:07:27. > :07:29.our own laws, we can deal with these undesirables. That is the argument

:07:30. > :07:35.that you will hear from the Lib Dems. How much do we infringe on

:07:36. > :07:42.personal liberty to keep people safe. There was that we have

:07:43. > :07:47.everything we need in place in terms of laws and jurisdiction. It is just

:07:48. > :07:51.a case of resource in. I think we cannot really understate the feeling

:07:52. > :07:56.that people have had to take a blanket of approach to security will

:07:57. > :08:01.infringe upon personal liberty in some ways. People start to feel

:08:02. > :08:07.uncomfortable. I was good to say, Jon, that there might be a body of

:08:08. > :08:11.opinion out there that much of this could be the white Lego because what

:08:12. > :08:15.has happened. -- John. And it has been appalling. But there will be

:08:16. > :08:21.those out there who will save, look, let's be careful, here. We are

:08:22. > :08:30.talking about a serious rowing back of all of our human rights. Indeed.

:08:31. > :08:40.It is a difficult argument. I can see both sides. -- I was going to

:08:41. > :08:46.say. When it comes to sentencing, we should talk about that at which we

:08:47. > :08:49.talked about today, you do need to change anything dramatically. These

:08:50. > :08:56.three guys there were response will do this because he not far from

:08:57. > :09:01.where we are sitting, it were they brought to court, could have gone

:09:02. > :09:06.down to murder. You had to introduce a law to bring a terrorism factor

:09:07. > :09:10.into it. I think extending prison sentences as something which does

:09:11. > :09:14.not really work for me and this situation that we face. Logically, I

:09:15. > :09:18.suppose, but you got to those constituencies in the north-east and

:09:19. > :09:24.the north-west, and the Midlands, which voted Leave, potentially you

:09:25. > :09:28.can voters, who are, you know, hard on law and order, with this coded

:09:29. > :09:33.message to four hours before an election, it will pay well. As soon

:09:34. > :09:39.as they heard that, I thought that is actually addressing precisely

:09:40. > :09:46.what readers of the Daily Express, the Metro, and these sorts of papers

:09:47. > :09:52.would want to hear. The Daily Mirror, then. Kate, I'm going to be

:09:53. > :10:02.a terrorist. This is the third attacker, the Moroccan Italian,

:10:03. > :10:07.Youssef Zaghba, who said that he was trained to get to Syria, in Italy.

:10:08. > :10:14.That is right. A few papers have covered this story. As it is

:10:15. > :10:18.reported in the Mirror, he was stopped at an airport tried to get

:10:19. > :10:23.to Syria. He had a phone which had extremist material on in terms of

:10:24. > :10:28.images and photographs. He also had a 1-way ticket, a small bag, just

:10:29. > :10:32.hand luggage, but I think what was on his phone, if you actually read

:10:33. > :10:37.the stories, you will start to see, how on earth is he not pulled over,

:10:38. > :10:41.essentially, by Nicos? It might be questioned, and in this report they

:10:42. > :10:45.will say that there was a charge and he could not be prosecuted. When you

:10:46. > :10:48.see what stacks up against him, it does feel astonishing that nothing

:10:49. > :10:54.happened in Italy, and he was able to come to Britain. That is putting

:10:55. > :10:57.the blame on the Italians. All they're saying is that this

:10:58. > :11:04.information was on a platform that should have been shared. We could

:11:05. > :11:06.have read it. But there must be acres of information on

:11:07. > :11:10.platforms. It could be that this was platforms. It could be that this was

:11:11. > :11:14.nest or that it was red and ignored, not given priority, we don't know.

:11:15. > :11:18.The indication from all these sources is that the security

:11:19. > :11:23.services made a huge mistake by not identifying him and taking certain

:11:24. > :11:26.actions. -- read. The Italians did not take any action and are now

:11:27. > :11:32.bleating about us not taking action. I have said before the security

:11:33. > :11:40.services. Ready to wreak -- 33,000 potential cases. Thousands are on

:11:41. > :11:44.lists of serious suspect. And five active cases they look at all the

:11:45. > :11:47.time. Whether they begin and when they stop? These guys are

:11:48. > :11:52.responsible -- these guys who are responsible for the attacks on the

:11:53. > :11:55.weekend, or they did was Hari then and by so nice. That is all they

:11:56. > :11:59.did. There is no evidence that planning anything on the Internet.

:12:00. > :12:02.This suggest that you need a Europewide, a holistic approach to

:12:03. > :12:12.deal with the threat. For good or ill, we are leading the European

:12:13. > :12:16.Union. Go figure. This case will be very worrying for those who want to

:12:17. > :12:21.stay in the European Union. Because clearly it shows that we have across

:12:22. > :12:28.Europe the means to communicate, but also, we are quite desperate, and

:12:29. > :12:32.basically have Italians who are not able to rescue this guy. But he said

:12:33. > :12:38.that in front of British law, he would have had an -- K-Stew Ansa

:12:39. > :12:46.straightaway. It was the European question into focus. As I say, for

:12:47. > :12:48.good or ill. But you wonder how this will fit into the talks and

:12:49. > :13:07.negotiations which This story is quite frightening. The

:13:08. > :13:13.front page of the Times, and over role of security service methods.

:13:14. > :13:20.How does Labour counter the arguments that are coming from the

:13:21. > :13:26.Conservatives? It is very difficult. Jeremy Corbyn rightly or wrongly has

:13:27. > :13:34.a reputation of opposing laws. He will be the first to say that under

:13:35. > :13:42.any circumstances, while condemning, in the strongest possible terms, it

:13:43. > :13:49.is a tricky one for him. Theresa May so far in this campaign has had the

:13:50. > :13:58.upper hand on that one but there are other issues. It is not just about

:13:59. > :14:05.this guide. The guide in the documentary was not picked up. And

:14:06. > :14:11.this other guy who seems to have got into this country because he has

:14:12. > :14:16.refused UK asylum but was in the country on an Irish Visa after

:14:17. > :14:22.marrying a British woman. All sorts of questions. The police

:14:23. > :14:26.commissioner and others have indicated they will review what is

:14:27. > :14:32.going on but what they will do differently is another question. I

:14:33. > :14:36.just wanted to say on Labour, what you would hear from Jeremy Corbyn is

:14:37. > :14:44.probably this push for diplomacy and talks. I think... That is his

:14:45. > :14:48.narrative. He is talking about the peace process in Ireland and he

:14:49. > :14:55.would always say it was in talks that led the way... But you cannot

:14:56. > :15:00.talk to these people. We grew up with all that and we knew talks were

:15:01. > :15:06.going on an officially, below sea level if you like but you could talk

:15:07. > :15:13.to these people you cannot talk to this lot. I think that is where he

:15:14. > :15:18.might come unstuck. Let's end with the Guardian. The nurse who ran

:15:19. > :15:24.towards the danger to help people and in the end paid with the

:15:25. > :15:31.ultimate prize. I am really pleased that the Guardian put this woman on

:15:32. > :15:37.the front page. An Australian nurse and the report here explained that

:15:38. > :15:43.she ran towards danger, she tried to help people being attacked and she

:15:44. > :15:49.lost her life while doing so. Really lovely tribute and comments from her

:15:50. > :15:53.family and colleagues. Just a beautiful picture have are with the

:15:54. > :15:56.sunflowers and it is really important to remember these

:15:57. > :16:01.individuals who have lost their lives. We have terrorists all over

:16:02. > :16:08.the front page but I am happy to see a real tribute to somebody who lost

:16:09. > :16:15.their lives. The better side of the human nature on a night of carnage.

:16:16. > :16:20.Good to see you both. And the youthful watching. Many thanks.