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:00:11. > :00:15.We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment -

:00:16. > :00:27.The BBC's Director General, Lord Hall says he'll go further

:00:28. > :00:32.He was responding to a letter by high-profile female personalities

:00:33. > :00:36.who have called on the corporation to "act now".

:00:37. > :00:38.A 20-year-old man has died, after being apprehended by a police

:00:39. > :00:44.He's been been named by his family as Rashan Jermaine Charles.

:00:45. > :00:46.Prince William and Prince Harry have spoken candidly

:00:47. > :00:48.about their relationship with their mother, Princess Diana,

:00:49. > :00:50.in a documentary marking the twentieth anniversary

:00:51. > :01:04.Police in the US state of Texas say the number of deaths in the human

:01:05. > :01:08.smuggling incident has risen to nine.

:01:09. > :01:14.20 others are thought to be in a critical condition.

:01:15. > :01:23.On Meet The Author this week, my guest is one of the most popular

:01:24. > :01:31.crime writers, the rather aptly named Karin Slaughter, to talk about

:01:32. > :01:36.her latest book, The Good Author. Dump -- the good daughter.

:01:37. > :01:40.Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:01:41. > :01:43.With me are the Author and Broadcaster, Natalie Haynes

:01:44. > :01:50.and Rob Merrick, Deputy political editor at The Independent.

:01:51. > :01:54.Let's get straight on. Rob, perhaps you would start us off. Daily

:01:55. > :01:58.Telegraph front page, The Telegraph says NHS bosses

:01:59. > :02:00.have ordered a review , after warnings that plans to cut

:02:01. > :02:13.down on A numbers as we know, A departments are in

:02:14. > :02:22.crisis. There is a plan, they are being asked to introduce front door

:02:23. > :02:30.streaming. It will convert them into different arms of the NHS. There has

:02:31. > :02:34.been a case in Bristol, a man who was turned away from A under this

:02:35. > :02:38.scheme and tragically died soon afterwards. This story says they are

:02:39. > :02:48.being it would visibly lead to more people

:02:49. > :02:51.being treated in A and it shows how difficult it is for the

:02:52. > :02:57.government to tackle these problems without causing unintended

:02:58. > :03:00.consequences. Natalie, it is one terrible tragic case, but it seems a

:03:01. > :03:03.bit strange that the whole system has been thrown into reverse on the

:03:04. > :03:10.basis of that. There must be a bit more to it, would have thought? You

:03:11. > :03:13.would think so, we're told so many times that A departments are

:03:14. > :03:17.clogged, when people turning up when they shouldn't have, brutally,

:03:18. > :03:19.either because they have committed an incredibly minor injury to

:03:20. > :03:22.themselves because they should have gone to the GP and either don't have

:03:23. > :03:34.a GP or the GP wasn't open at that or whatever. Because they are drunk.

:03:35. > :03:39.It turns out if somebody turns up to an AMD department with chest pains,

:03:40. > :03:46.as could happen, they could be turned away without having his blood

:03:47. > :03:52.pressure checked. If you are turning away people, I would have thought

:03:53. > :04:01.chest pains but pretty much the go to for A I am obviously in no way

:04:02. > :04:06.in a place to qualify that. The point is it was a GP, because they

:04:07. > :04:13.call it the triage, I think on the way you see a nurse any way to start

:04:14. > :04:17.with, very often, so there is also a filter, this sounds like an even

:04:18. > :04:20.more Draconian one. Seems like this streaming system will be in place

:04:21. > :04:24.before the review has fully taken place, so there will be six months

:04:25. > :04:28.worth of it having happened in theory before the time the review

:04:29. > :04:35.comes back. Slightly worrying, but is a tragic case but on the other

:04:36. > :04:39.hand it is only one case. It is hard to believe they will end streaming

:04:40. > :04:43.altogether. As you say, it is perhaps just one terrible example.

:04:44. > :04:48.There must surely be some people who can so obviously be turned away from

:04:49. > :04:53.three macro without causing disorder problem. Things presumably they want

:04:54. > :04:57.people to stop turning up is with the winter vomiting virus, they are

:04:58. > :05:02.incredibly contagious, so the last thing you want to do is to bring

:05:03. > :05:09.them in the hospital is full of ill people. Drink some water, stay in

:05:10. > :05:13.bed. Let's quickly go onto the front page of the Telegraph, still.

:05:14. > :05:18.Cabinet split over imports of American chlorine chicken. That hast

:05:19. > :05:24.to rank as one of the most odd headlines. I wonder whether they got

:05:25. > :05:27.to the point where it had to arm wrestle... We think overall they

:05:28. > :05:32.spent very little time talking about it but they should. Quite an

:05:33. > :05:37.important printable behind all this. Absolutely, but as we know Liam Fox

:05:38. > :05:42.is in the US and about to try and start a bit of trade talk. Here's

:05:43. > :05:45.the trade Secretary, yes. He is hoping to persuade everyone and

:05:46. > :05:49.presumably the rest of his Cabinet (!) That what would be a great thing

:05:50. > :05:52.is if we have American meat products, this is not good for me, I

:05:53. > :05:57.had not eaten meat for 30 years, but I am sure it matters to many more of

:05:58. > :06:00.you. That would include chlorine washed chicken, which sounds

:06:01. > :06:05.revolting to me, but to be honest the chicken sounds worse than

:06:06. > :06:12.MacLaurin, I quite like swimming. Hormone -- sounds worse than the

:06:13. > :06:17.chlorine. But actually it is a Brexit story, isn't it? Yes, if we

:06:18. > :06:21.are not going to trade with Europe, we have to trade more with America,

:06:22. > :06:24.and there is a lot more of them and they have a lot more money than us.

:06:25. > :06:30.The inevitable but, in this case Michael Gove. Ceremony sentences

:06:31. > :06:36.begin like that! Indeed, and Angela Ballard some, -- Andrea Leadsom, we

:06:37. > :06:40.must keep the standards up even though not governed by the EU. They

:06:41. > :06:47.are on other side of the great chlorine soaked debate. Debate or

:06:48. > :06:52.schism? That is all I am saying. They are all arch supporters of

:06:53. > :06:57.Brexit. On the issue of the chicken and whether it will be allowed in

:06:58. > :07:01.this country, but what is new about it is the suggestion that Liam Fox

:07:02. > :07:06.would favour its import, and arrange to accept it. He is not quoted in

:07:07. > :07:10.the story, obviously just a short teaser, the story on the front page.

:07:11. > :07:13.If that is true, it would be nice to see when Liam Fox is in America

:07:14. > :07:19.tomorrow he could be interviewed on the subject when I found out. You

:07:20. > :07:22.remember when John Gummer was feeding beefburger to his daughter

:07:23. > :07:28.back in the 1990s, mad cow disease, whether Liam Fox would be asked if

:07:29. > :07:34.he would be happy for his own family to eat chlorine soaked chicken. OK,

:07:35. > :07:40.in the metro, sorry, before we do that, let's go to the eye. -- the

:07:41. > :07:51.Iyer. Slightly alarming, there has been

:07:52. > :07:56.breaches of computer systems of public bodies, hospitals, councils,

:07:57. > :08:01.museums, watchdogs have been breached over the last three years,

:08:02. > :08:10.since May 20 14. 424 successful attacks. We are not sure how many

:08:11. > :08:17.unsuccessful, mostly using ransomware, local authorities and

:08:18. > :08:22.other public bodies. The big NHS attack a couple of months ago. But

:08:23. > :08:26.this sounds deadly, much more serious and widespread. It is

:08:27. > :08:29.clearly a large and. It is one of those stories, I know cybercrime is

:08:30. > :08:34.really important, but my eyes tend to glaze over when I read it. When

:08:35. > :08:39.your credit card gets cloned... I know. There are a couple of

:08:40. > :08:42.interesting details in the story that struck me, one says there were

:08:43. > :08:47.nine health trust and several councils who confirmed they had been

:08:48. > :08:51.breached but had not reported it. You wonder whether they are too busy

:08:52. > :08:54.trying to protect their own repetition rather than being honest

:08:55. > :08:58.about the problem they have, which seemed alarming. They said one NHS

:08:59. > :09:01.Trust had been told by police that an attacker had been found to be

:09:02. > :09:04.outside the European Union, and therefore no further action could be

:09:05. > :09:09.taken. I did not understand that at all. There seem to be examples where

:09:10. > :09:12.even when a problem has been identified, it even wasn't being

:09:13. > :09:17.admitted to or wasn't being taken. They tend to be places you can't get

:09:18. > :09:23.at, Russia and China. Perhaps you could try. OK, the metro, I started

:09:24. > :09:29.to talk about it, let's get to that. Rob coming you can have a go here.

:09:30. > :09:33.This is Mr Corbyn being taxed by my colleague Andrew Marr on the matter

:09:34. > :09:38.of student debts. We never said we were going to write them off. Ever

:09:39. > :09:43.since the election, it has been the story of Theresa May carrying out

:09:44. > :09:47.U-turn after you turn, this is the press piling in on Jeremy Corbyn

:09:48. > :09:50.instead. When Mr Corbyn says we didn't say we would write off

:09:51. > :09:54.student debts, he is absolutely right and he is clearly did not say

:09:55. > :09:58.that, but unfortunately for him, he uttered the phrase we will deal with

:09:59. > :10:02.it, at least try to ameliorate the problem in some way, now he is

:10:03. > :10:06.running back from that. He also said he didn't realise when he said he

:10:07. > :10:09.would deal with it that it would be a ?100 billion bill for wiping out

:10:10. > :10:14.existing student debt, which clearly nobody thinks they can afford to

:10:15. > :10:18.pay. It is a big embarrassment for Jeremy Corbyn but to be honest,

:10:19. > :10:20.Jeremy Corbyn is not the Prime Minister, there was no likelihood of

:10:21. > :10:26.him doing that in the near future. If I was a student, or a graduate

:10:27. > :10:29.with a debt, what would be far more concerned about is in October the

:10:30. > :10:35.level of interest on that student debt is going to soar to 6.1%, even

:10:36. > :10:38.when interest rates are on the floor under legislation the government put

:10:39. > :10:41.through, and that to be honest is a much bigger issue when it comes to

:10:42. > :10:44.the problem of student debt, rather than what Jeremy Corbyn did or did

:10:45. > :10:49.not say during the election campaign. But isn't the point really

:10:50. > :10:53.Natalie that Jeremy Corbyn, had they had a much better successful

:10:54. > :10:57.campaign, said an awful things about what they would do but the actual

:10:58. > :11:00.total bill would be absolutely enormous. It is a bit strange she

:11:01. > :11:05.can say I didn't know about the figures. Straying into Diane

:11:06. > :11:08.territory. One could legitimately argue that the actual total bill

:11:09. > :11:13.whatever happens will be enormous, not least because the filthy left

:11:14. > :11:18.wing rag which is the Financial Times suggested that about 70% of

:11:19. > :11:22.students won't ever pay off their debt, which is an enormous

:11:23. > :11:26.percentage of ?100 billion. Not writing off all of their debt, but

:11:27. > :11:29.even so, a large quantity of this debt will never be paid back,

:11:30. > :11:32.because it is only levied once people and a certain amount and many

:11:33. > :11:38.people simply don't earn that much and may never. So all you are really

:11:39. > :11:40.giving people is a sort of horrendous stress Millstone to live

:11:41. > :11:45.with with no expectation really of the payment coming back. If you are

:11:46. > :11:48.the person who loans money to people and have been told that roughly

:11:49. > :11:51.seven upset of those people won't pay back and you haven't taken that

:11:52. > :11:54.into account in your figures, then you are an idiot, and I am sure the

:11:55. > :11:58.people running the student loans company are not idiots, so they are

:11:59. > :12:01.expecting a lot of money to be defaulted on, so why do you have to

:12:02. > :12:04.make 70 people's lives miserable before that money doesn't get paid

:12:05. > :12:08.back one way or another? I'm not sure there is a good reason. Just

:12:09. > :12:13.coming back to what Mr Corbyn was saying about it, the election

:12:14. > :12:18.campaign was very much saying don't worry, students, there will be no

:12:19. > :12:24.more student loans in the future. That seemed an absolute key part of

:12:25. > :12:26.the whole thing. Can a senior Labour politician, or whichever politician,

:12:27. > :12:32.say all these things and then come roaring back again? We will deal

:12:33. > :12:36.with it is a relatively fluid term, it could mean we will cut fees for

:12:37. > :12:40.the next generation, they will be much lower. Student debt used to be

:12:41. > :12:45.paid, in 2002 it was pretty much all paid off within something like nine

:12:46. > :12:48.years of graduation. We will deal with it is an extremely protean

:12:49. > :12:51.phrase that can be read in a bunch of ways. I think he could

:12:52. > :12:56.legitimately argue it is not necessarily his fault. It was not in

:12:57. > :12:59.the manifesto either, it was a phrase in an interview. There is

:13:00. > :13:04.embarrassment, but on the scale of great U-turns, not quite. Very

:13:05. > :13:09.quickly, to the Daily Mail. You can't get away from it, BBC pay.

:13:10. > :13:14.They have a picture of my colleague Emily Maitlis, who apparently earns

:13:15. > :13:20.less than ?150,000 a year, calling on male TV stars to publicly back

:13:21. > :13:24.the pay gap fight. We can't do it right now, we are on the news, so

:13:25. > :13:28.you are obliged to be entirely impartial but of course I am not

:13:29. > :13:31.surprised. She is absolutely right to suggest people need to be

:13:32. > :13:35.supporting her. It is of course terrific that her male colleagues

:13:36. > :13:39.have allowed her female colleagues 48 hours, 78 hours or so to have all

:13:40. > :13:44.the headlines, but now I think it is time for you to step up and join in

:13:45. > :13:47.and say, yes, it is lastly unfair that female colleagues are being

:13:48. > :13:51.paid less than we offer doing the same sorts of jobs and it is also

:13:52. > :13:57.unfair that women are not going to get those best paid jobs because

:13:58. > :14:01.they are all taken up by perfectly delightful and equally competent

:14:02. > :14:05.men. I see the South American correspondent with Davis, I fully

:14:06. > :14:09.backed calls for senior debuts to be pay the same as male counterparts.

:14:10. > :14:13.Quite a thing building up, but the point building up I suppose is that

:14:14. > :14:17.the director-general says he will act fast on this, and do something

:14:18. > :14:21.about this. How fast can it be, and what about the overall cost of the

:14:22. > :14:26.public purse in the end, if you have to raise a lot of people's salaries?

:14:27. > :14:31.I think he said he would act by 2020, and clearly the women who

:14:32. > :14:36.signed the open letter believe that is probably not achievable, not very

:14:37. > :14:40.far away, and they doubt that. Of course you don't have too raise the

:14:41. > :14:45.salaries of the women, you could cut the salaries of the men. Maybe they

:14:46. > :14:51.will have a word with John Humphrys etc. Wie will take some of the

:14:52. > :14:56.extremely high-profile men who present art strands, and let some

:14:57. > :15:01.less high profile women doing it, just suggesting it, I am available!

:15:02. > :15:05.The last one, ladies dancing, Lords are leaping, the back of the

:15:06. > :15:09.Telegraph front page, women cricketers, a very significant

:15:10. > :15:14.victory. Are you a cricket fan? I am a big one. I missed the match, as I

:15:15. > :15:17.was travelling in. That had it all, a full house at Lord's, which I'm

:15:18. > :15:21.not sure everyone was necessarily expecting at the start of the

:15:22. > :15:26.tournament. I was listening on radio five live, it was very exciting. I

:15:27. > :15:31.was walking past Lord's, and it was the Wimbledon grown. Did someone

:15:32. > :15:35.just dropped a thing. It sounded like everyone was having an absolute

:15:36. > :15:38.wail at the time from the outside. For once, a story about women doing

:15:39. > :15:43.extremely well and everyone is truly happy. Hole it sounds like the day

:15:44. > :15:47.that women's cricket arrived as a major sporting event in this

:15:48. > :15:48.country. Able never be the same again. That is it for the papers

:15:49. > :15:50.this hour. Thank you Natalie and Rob ,

:15:51. > :15:53.you'll both be back at half 11 for another look at the stories

:15:54. > :16:06.making the news tomorrow. My guest today is one of the world's

:16:07. > :16:10.most popular crime writers,