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:00:15. > :00:17.Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:18. > :00:20.With me are the entertainment writer Caroline Frost,

:00:21. > :00:26.and the parliamentary journalist Tony Grew.

:00:27. > :00:32.Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...

:00:33. > :00:39.This is the lead in the Times. It is the insistence by the Chancellor,

:00:40. > :00:45.Philip Hammond, that Britain won't be turned into a tax haven after

:00:46. > :00:48.Brexit. The FT reports that Japan's largest and has chosen Amsterdam for

:00:49. > :00:53.its banking headquarters as a result of uncertainty over Brexit. The top

:00:54. > :00:58.story in the Metro is the decision by President Putin to expel 755 US

:00:59. > :01:03.diplomats from Russia in what it calls a new Cold War. The Express

:01:04. > :01:09.claims that workers are cashing in their hard earned pension pots early

:01:10. > :01:17.and being overtaxed. The Daily Mail says British tourists are being

:01:18. > :01:29.charged hundreds of pounds for scratches and dents on higher cause.

:01:30. > :01:34.This front page criticises Channel 4 for broadcasting the Diana tapes --

:01:35. > :01:38.on higher cause. The times and more Brexit headlines. This time from

:01:39. > :01:42.Philip Hammond, saying that we won't be a tax haven after Brexit,

:01:43. > :01:48.Caroline. Yes, there has been lots of talk about his position in recent

:01:49. > :01:52.days. However, it seems to be that his is now the loudest voice when it

:01:53. > :01:56.comes to talking about where we are currently with Brexit. Sometimes it

:01:57. > :02:00.is different to other Cabinet members as well. Yes, most

:02:01. > :02:06.interestingly for journalists like Tony here. The key phrase is that he

:02:07. > :02:10.will wish the UK to remain recognisably European following

:02:11. > :02:15.Brexit. By which he is talking about not slashing taxes, not changing

:02:16. > :02:19.regulations dramatically. He doesn't want the UK to turn into a sort of

:02:20. > :02:24.Singapore style on wave, by which it is somehow going to be completing

:02:25. > :02:27.with other countries for sort of deals against Europe and the like --

:02:28. > :02:32.it is going to be competing. This has not gone down well with

:02:33. > :02:35.everybody. Tony, it's confusing for our viewers when you have these

:02:36. > :02:39.talks going on in Brussels and different messages are coming out of

:02:40. > :02:42.Downing Street, often from cabinet members, that don't seem to be in

:02:43. > :02:46.line with what is being talked about in Brussels right now. This is just

:02:47. > :02:51.another example of the chaos of the Government. There is a fantastic

:02:52. > :02:56.line here. Philip Hammond gave an interview to a French newspaper

:02:57. > :03:02.saying that often he hears it said that the UK is going to participate

:03:03. > :03:06.in unfair competition. But he said it in January to a German newspaper!

:03:07. > :03:10.What's going on at the moment is that there are two camps. The Prime

:03:11. > :03:13.Minister is away at the minute, C have the Chancellor and the Home

:03:14. > :03:19.Secretary, Amber Rudd, they want a soft Brexit. Then you have Liam Fox

:03:20. > :03:25.and Boris Johnson, they want a hard Brexit. Theresa May's authority

:03:26. > :03:28.isn't as hard as it was. That is so sweet of you to describe the Prime

:03:29. > :03:32.Minister is having authority, because she doesn't have any! She

:03:33. > :03:36.can't sack anyone would do anything. But she is the Prime Minister. She

:03:37. > :03:39.is out of the country and she has left Philip Hammond nominally in

:03:40. > :03:44.charge. There are various useless trade deals that Liam Fox does and

:03:45. > :03:48.Boris Johnson, they try and keep out of the country as much as possible

:03:49. > :03:53.for this reason. The Chancellor and the Home Secretary is not in it to

:03:54. > :03:57.announce soft Brexit deals, infuriating the right of their own

:03:58. > :04:01.party -- sneaked in. Is it chaos or is it that we just don't know things

:04:02. > :04:05.and different opinions are coming out at different times? Thing is

:04:06. > :04:10.most worrying is that the noises we are getting from Brussels, we don't

:04:11. > :04:13.know what we want, tell us what we want. We don't appear to know what

:04:14. > :04:17.we want because the Government is speaking in two different ways about

:04:18. > :04:22.what they want. Hammond is saying we are going to be a European country.

:04:23. > :04:26.On the other hand, Liam Fox was running around saying, no, American

:04:27. > :04:30.style food standards, we are perfectly happy to accept

:04:31. > :04:35.chlorinated chicken. That's not a European approach to animal welfare.

:04:36. > :04:44.We don't know what we want. For any non-politico looking at this, nobody

:04:45. > :04:46.is happy. The people who voted for Brexit are saying, that doesn't look

:04:47. > :04:49.like Brexit, it looks like remaining by any other name. The remainders

:04:50. > :04:53.are saying, it still a Brexit. Neither side will come out of this,

:04:54. > :04:57.I can't think of one single person who thinks, that's the result I was

:04:58. > :05:05.after. That takes us nicely to the Daily Telegraph. Johnson and Fox are

:05:06. > :05:10.out of the loop on EU migrants. This is the talk about what happens when

:05:11. > :05:14.it comes to freedom of movement post-Brexit. Again, lots of

:05:15. > :05:17.different messages coming from different cabinet ministers. They'll

:05:18. > :05:23.even admitting it, they are playing it like a chess board, if that has

:05:24. > :05:26.been said, I'm not part of it. Nobody is being vocally disloyal.

:05:27. > :05:29.Certainly nobody is denouncing Theresa May in her absence but they

:05:30. > :05:37.are distancing themselves, should the positions change in a week's

:05:38. > :05:40.time, they say, that doesn't mean I disagree. Somebody here, Doctor Fox,

:05:41. > :05:45.his turn to say, I'm not part of this, it's not what I am for. But

:05:46. > :05:49.Amber Rudd and Philip Hammond snuck in with this similarly to the

:05:50. > :05:53.regulations on the tax, the single movement, the free movement, will be

:05:54. > :05:57.very much the same, the fact of remaining. Tony, Philip Hammond

:05:58. > :06:01.saying something very different to Liam Fox. Yes, absolutely. Amber

:06:02. > :06:05.Rudd last week effectively saying we are going to broadly look at what

:06:06. > :06:10.happens with migration. This is a reality -based approach is opposed

:06:11. > :06:14.to a fantasy -based approach. When you say things like that, you are

:06:15. > :06:18.going to worry the majority of people who voted for Brexit. All I'm

:06:19. > :06:22.saying is that we're going to make a decision soon. This is the maximum

:06:23. > :06:25.point of danger. Do we have a three-year transitional arrangement

:06:26. > :06:28.to stop us falling off the hard cliff, or do we go with the

:06:29. > :06:32.Government who seem to think that everything is fine and we don't need

:06:33. > :06:37.to address the issues? Businesses have been saying to the Government,

:06:38. > :06:39.for example, agriculture, we need hundreds of thousands of seasonal

:06:40. > :06:44.workers to pick vegetables and fruit out of the ground. If we don't have

:06:45. > :06:49.them, we won't be able to pick fruit and vegetables. That's Brexit, there

:06:50. > :06:53.is no freedom of movement. This is the point, Brexit isn't a concept

:06:54. > :06:57.that is fixed in stone. We have dozens of options available to us if

:06:58. > :07:02.we can do go shoot. That is not what people voted for, Tony -- if we

:07:03. > :07:06.negotiate. Then we are going to come to a point where the Government's is

:07:07. > :07:09.going to make a decision about whether it is going to go with what

:07:10. > :07:13.people perceive to be the problem is or whether they are going to be

:07:14. > :07:15.honest with the electorate and say, we understand your anger and your

:07:16. > :07:20.vote but we are not going to harm the economy in a catastrophic way

:07:21. > :07:24.because you are slightly obsessed about immigration. You might not

:07:25. > :07:28.want what you thought you wanted! Nobody is going to end up about what

:07:29. > :07:31.they wanted, that's the whole point. You're going to end up in a

:07:32. > :07:35.situation where nobody is happy, nobody is going to get what they

:07:36. > :07:38.want, but the Government is trying to balance these different

:07:39. > :07:43.pressures. Which they always have done, but Brexit has brought it into

:07:44. > :07:46.hard focus, the layman steps back in amazement. You mean if we have fruit

:07:47. > :07:51.and vegetable pickers we may not have many nurses. These are abstract

:07:52. > :07:56.concepts, suddenly we are being told effectively we are going to have to

:07:57. > :08:00.make those choices. You can see the reality of another referendum being

:08:01. > :08:04.called than an Brexit, can't you? People who voted for Brexit that

:08:05. > :08:08.didn't want immigration, didn't want the of movement, are not going to

:08:09. > :08:12.get it. It's like playing with mercury. People are tempting to say,

:08:13. > :08:17.52% of the population who voted to leave the EU for 17 million

:08:18. > :08:22.different reasons. We can't turn around and say it was about

:08:23. > :08:25.immigration, trade, this and that... Are going to be a lot of very

:08:26. > :08:28.unhappy people at the next general election. There are also people who

:08:29. > :08:32.will come round to the reality of the fact that if we don't want to

:08:33. > :08:38.catastrophically harm the economy, we at least need to make a

:08:39. > :08:42.transitional deal. Let's move on. We'll see what happens. Not

:08:43. > :08:49.everybody thinks like you. We'll move on to the Financial Times. Oh,

:08:50. > :08:55.still an Brexit! Who set up this paper review! Of you two did!

:08:56. > :09:00.Japan's biggest bank plant a hub in Amsterdam to cope with the

:09:01. > :09:04.disruption of Brexit. This is an example of what we've been talking

:09:05. > :09:08.about. This huge banks, hugely influential in the eastern part of

:09:09. > :09:12.the world, that we obviously don't put our eyeballs on it but it

:09:13. > :09:16.doesn't mean it doesn't affect us. They have said that even ahead of

:09:17. > :09:19.Brexit they are looking around and moving a significant number of

:09:20. > :09:23.workers into a European hub, in that case it is Amsterdam. They will be

:09:24. > :09:27.the first of many who will be looking. Because it's going to be

:09:28. > :09:31.hard to find property, spaces, personal. It's like anything, once

:09:32. > :09:40.the cards fall down it is going to be Imada free from. These people

:09:41. > :09:43.have jumped on the head and said, we're going to do this at our pace.

:09:44. > :09:46.They are going to get the lay of the land. It will diminish confidence in

:09:47. > :09:49.the remaining people. The case for staying in the City of London and

:09:50. > :09:52.any other UK hubs will significantly weaken as a result. Shall we have a

:09:53. > :10:03.look at the Metro at some other stories. But in the boot in. New

:10:04. > :10:06.Cold War as Kremlin kicks diplomats out of Russia. Tony, some people

:10:07. > :10:09.will read that headline and say, hand on a minute, I thought

:10:10. > :10:13.President Putin and Donald Trump were being friendly and starting a

:10:14. > :10:18.new relationship, a new era. What's happened? The president isn't a

:10:19. > :10:21.tyrant yet, so the US Congress has overwhelmingly passed new sanctions

:10:22. > :10:25.that make it really difficult for the president dry and, you know,

:10:26. > :10:29.reduce the amount of sanctions that are already against Russia. It is a

:10:30. > :10:36.big blow for Donald Trump. The vote was over whelming be passed in the

:10:37. > :10:39.House and Senate and his spokesperson indicated he would sign

:10:40. > :10:42.the bill. It is a blow for Donald Trump. The law that I just referred

:10:43. > :10:44.to that the president may or may not sign doesn't just apply to Russia,

:10:45. > :10:47.it also applies to North Korea and Iran. The president, all this

:10:48. > :10:51.controversy about his links with Russia, it will be difficult for him

:10:52. > :10:55.to block this law. Pre-empting his signing, but a mere Putin has

:10:56. > :11:02.retaliated already by expelling back to the Cold War 755 US diplomats. It

:11:03. > :11:07.leaves me to ask exactly how many diplomats the US has in Russia,

:11:08. > :11:14.that's quite a lot! A small fraction?! Again, President Trump

:11:15. > :11:19.couldn't be seen to be being too friendly with Russia. Absolutely. He

:11:20. > :11:24.is caught between a rock and a hard, cold place in this case. Nothing he

:11:25. > :11:27.could do. He's been accused pre-election of cosying up to the

:11:28. > :11:34.Russians. Now he couldn't do anything about this. All this does

:11:35. > :11:36.is prove there is a little bit of a chocolate teapot in the White House

:11:37. > :11:40.when it comes to this committee is not having a very good week anyway.

:11:41. > :11:44.He hoped this will have gone under the radar, and clearly it hasn't. I

:11:45. > :11:48.wonder what that does for their plans to tackle cyber crime together

:11:49. > :11:53.as well stop you love all of those problems! But he has got no

:11:54. > :11:57.diplomats left! We saw this with him pleading that he was going to ban

:11:58. > :12:01.transgender people from the military last week. Tweets are not commands.

:12:02. > :12:05.His staff do not change orders through tweets. If you want to

:12:06. > :12:08.change policy, you go through the chain of command. He said he had

:12:09. > :12:13.spoken to US military commanders about it. They don't appear to have

:12:14. > :12:16.any idea he did speak to them. They did make it clear that tweets are

:12:17. > :12:20.not part of the chain of command. He wants to have a cyber relationship

:12:21. > :12:23.with President Putin but he is disgusted with the people he meets

:12:24. > :12:28.to discuss it with. This is one thing that will undo him in the end,

:12:29. > :12:32.he doesn't follow the chain of command. That turn our attention to

:12:33. > :12:36.the past, really. Passchendaele, although many people save up the

:12:37. > :12:42.past hopefully create a better future as well. -- say that the

:12:43. > :12:46.past. The Independent always do it differently and really capture it.

:12:47. > :12:51.It is poppies with messages from members of the public in the UK,

:12:52. > :12:57.actually. Actually on the poppies, near the First World War battle

:12:58. > :13:00.ground. Caroline, you said earlier that you feel that these

:13:01. > :13:04.commemorations of the First World War and Second World War battles

:13:05. > :13:09.seem to become a bigger deal recently. I think they have. It is a

:13:10. > :13:14.beautiful image, it completely captures it, lovely, understated and

:13:15. > :13:16.lacking in people. I mean, mercifully selfie free. That's

:13:17. > :13:21.something that I think these occasions do merit a red dignity

:13:22. > :13:27.from onlookers. Certainly the way they are presented from the media.

:13:28. > :13:33.We had this chat in the newsroom before we came on. As I grew up, I

:13:34. > :13:36.thought the past was another country, unless you had somebody in

:13:37. > :13:41.your family who bought, a grandfather who is stories you

:13:42. > :13:45.listen to. Now it is one of social media and video messaging, we have

:13:46. > :13:50.become very sophisticated at making these messages relevant and fresh to

:13:51. > :13:54.us. Certainly when you do get the benefit of Hollywood films being

:13:55. > :13:57.made, big budget retellings, and they do bring it home. Something

:13:58. > :14:01.like the film Dunkirk telling the story of the evacuation to a whole

:14:02. > :14:05.new audience for whom these stories will have a fresh resonance that I

:14:06. > :14:08.don't think has come along before. It is bittersweet. It is the

:14:09. > :14:13.Centenary as well. The commemorations are a lot bigger than

:14:14. > :14:17.usual. Tony and I were discussing as well before we came on air that we

:14:18. > :14:21.are meant to learn the lessons of war, and here we are 100 years on

:14:22. > :14:25.still very much at war in various parts of the world. You know, you

:14:26. > :14:28.just think on the idea that the First World War was the war to end

:14:29. > :14:34.all wars. You know, the Second World War came along... Actually, having

:14:35. > :14:38.said that, the amount of conflict in the world is at the lowest I think

:14:39. > :14:42.it's ever been. Ironically, we live in a much more peaceful world. But

:14:43. > :14:47.it obviously doesn't feel like that. The Daily Telegraph featuring one of

:14:48. > :14:51.the many pictures you will see tomorrow morning, the Duke and

:14:52. > :14:55.Duchess of Cambridge attending those Centenary commemorations. Again,

:14:56. > :15:00.Caroline, it's these young royals that are so might do attract more

:15:01. > :15:05.young people to take part or at least take notice of these, ratios.

:15:06. > :15:11.Certainly. In this generation, with Prince William and Prince Harry, you

:15:12. > :15:15.do have two members of forces, they followed in the family tradition.

:15:16. > :15:19.Say what we will about the rules, whether they get too much tension,

:15:20. > :15:22.certainly these brothers have come forward talking about mental health

:15:23. > :15:25.recently. Some say they have over egged that pudding, but you can't

:15:26. > :15:29.doubt there is inserted in turning up to these events and honouring the

:15:30. > :15:34.dead. This week will be interesting for them. Whatever they do, they be

:15:35. > :15:39.overshadowed by the looming 20-year legacy of their late mother.

:15:40. > :15:45.Caroline Antoni, many thanks. We will do it again in about an hour's

:15:46. > :15:51.time. -- Caroline and Tony. There is more at 11:30pm.

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