0:00:16 > 0:00:19Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
0:00:19 > 0:00:21bringing us tomorrow.
0:00:21 > 0:00:23With me are Martin Lipton, Deputy Head of Sport
0:00:23 > 0:00:26at The Sun, and Rosamund Urwin, columnist for the London
0:00:26 > 0:00:31Evening Standard.
0:00:31 > 0:00:35Lovely to have you both here. We'll be taking a look through the papers
0:00:35 > 0:00:39in the moment. First off, a quick resume of what's going on, starting
0:00:39 > 0:00:46with the times.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48The Times claims the Prime Minister was given
0:00:48 > 0:00:50details of an alleged sexual assault made by the former defence
0:00:50 > 0:00:52secretary Sir Michael Fallon hours before he resigned.
0:00:52 > 0:00:55He says the allegations are not true and that he has never
0:00:55 > 0:00:56physically assaulted anyone.
0:00:56 > 0:01:01The Telegraph says Sir Michael had declared Andrea Leadsom
0:01:01 > 0:01:02was preventing Cabinet agreement on Brexit,
0:01:02 > 0:01:08and that she in turn
0:01:08 > 0:01:12"stuck the knife in" in revenge.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15The Mail has a similar line of enquiry on its front page,
0:01:15 > 0:01:18asking if the Leader of the Commons had acted to save her job.
0:01:18 > 0:01:27The i chooses to focus on the Labour Party's investigations
0:01:27 > 0:01:31into allegations made against its MPs.
0:01:31 > 0:01:36We suspect that page will change later, but currently focusing on
0:01:36 > 0:01:43Labour MP Clive Lewis. The Daily Express talks about Harriet Harman
0:01:43 > 0:01:52on its front page. It says the former deputy party leader repeated
0:01:52 > 0:01:57an anti-Semitic joke on television.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01The Guardian says the cost of Brexit will mean an extra £930 on household
0:02:01 > 0:02:04food bills as the price of staples is set to rise in the event
0:02:04 > 0:02:07of the UK leaving the EU without a trade deal.
0:02:07 > 0:02:11The FT 's top story is the row brewing at the London Stock Exchange
0:02:11 > 0:02:14over the departure of its chief executive, saying he is being forced
0:02:14 > 0:02:15out against his wishes.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17Lastly the Daily Mirror features the accusation of sexual assault
0:02:17 > 0:02:18made by a female trainer against a top jockey.
0:02:23 > 0:02:30So those are your front pages. Martin, what was that shake for?
0:02:30 > 0:02:34Every paper has a variant on the same theme, people who in positions
0:02:34 > 0:02:41of power are behaving badly.One story, different protagonist,
0:02:41 > 0:02:46basically.We start with the times, and this is a very damaging
0:02:46 > 0:02:53allegation against Sir Michael Fallon, the allegation that he
0:02:53 > 0:02:56committed an alleged sexual assault. We know he is denying it
0:02:56 > 0:03:02emphatically and vehemently, but this revelation came from another
0:03:02 > 0:03:09member of the Conservative Party in parliament, in Anna Soubry, who has
0:03:09 > 0:03:13told The Times that this is alleged to have happened, and that this was
0:03:13 > 0:03:19the reason for his false resignation -- forced resignation the other
0:03:19 > 0:03:25night. And with every passing day, this steady drip of claim,
0:03:25 > 0:03:29allegation and action in terms of MPs from most parties it would
0:03:29 > 0:03:32appear, certainly Labour and the Conservative Party, being forced to
0:03:32 > 0:03:37lose the whip or even at some point resign from Parliament, is
0:03:37 > 0:03:43continuing. And it is pretty depressing to see Parliament reduced
0:03:43 > 0:03:53to this.We have got The Times, and we have also got the mail and the
0:03:53 > 0:03:57Telegraph, all leading on allegations involving Conservative
0:03:57 > 0:04:03names. Rosamunde, when you look at that, they have all denied these
0:04:03 > 0:04:08allegations in one form or another. What goes through your mind when you
0:04:08 > 0:04:13read this? As Martin said, it is just allegation after allegation?
0:04:13 > 0:04:17And Michael Fallon has said that he has behaved inappropriately, so he
0:04:17 > 0:04:30has done a fair -- mea culpa on some of it. But one of the things that
0:04:30 > 0:04:37strikes me is that we knew that the informal atmosphere in Parliament,
0:04:37 > 0:04:41we knew there were problems to do with power, with the fact that
0:04:41 > 0:04:44frankly if you're a junior researcher in Parliament and
0:04:44 > 0:04:50employed by an MP, how much are you able to say no to things? We knew
0:04:50 > 0:04:55all these issues, people had been reporting on these things for years,
0:04:55 > 0:05:00but we have suddenly opened the floodgates, I feel. Harvey Weinstein
0:05:00 > 0:05:04has changed things, it really has, and people are saying all these
0:05:04 > 0:05:07things were heard about in the background, and actually this should
0:05:07 > 0:05:11be on the front pages.Finally people do seem empowered to speak
0:05:11 > 0:05:16out for the first time.And we forget how hard it is to come
0:05:16 > 0:05:21forward. Lots of people have been talking about a witchhunt, and
0:05:21 > 0:05:23personally I think that is completely the wrong term, because
0:05:23 > 0:05:28when you think about witchhunts, they were hunting innocent people.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32We act as though the worst thing that can ever happen to somebody who
0:05:32 > 0:05:35has done selling bad is that they lose their job, but how many other
0:05:35 > 0:05:39people's careers were harmed because these things happen to them? Maybe
0:05:39 > 0:05:43they did bring forward a complaint that was damaging to their career.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46Perhaps they didn't, but they moved jobs and felt forced to go and do
0:05:46 > 0:05:49something else.You'd feel uncomfortable, wouldn't you, in that
0:05:49 > 0:05:55environment?Of course you would, and we are shining a spotlight on
0:05:55 > 0:05:58Parliament, but I'm sure in the coming months it will be other
0:05:58 > 0:06:03industries.What is interesting is that the Michael Fallon stories are
0:06:03 > 0:06:07there, and then you go onto the other stories about Michael Fallon
0:06:07 > 0:06:10and then also Andrea Leadsom, and what you have this fear and loathing
0:06:10 > 0:06:19around Cabinet table, and until two or three days ago, ministerial,
0:06:19 > 0:06:21Secretary of State colleagues, just doing each other over big time in a
0:06:21 > 0:06:29pretty public forum here, Andrea Leadsom saved her job by accusing
0:06:29 > 0:06:33Fallon of sexual harassment, it says here.There is a question there.
0:06:33 > 0:06:39This is friends of Michael Fallon clearly briefing on his behalf,
0:06:39 > 0:06:43saying she was about to be sacked because she isn't very good, and he
0:06:43 > 0:06:47was on the other side...It isn't that she wasn't very good, they have
0:06:47 > 0:06:51this issue that she was one of those people who they think is going to be
0:06:51 > 0:06:55impossible to get a compromise on Brexit, because she is a very strong
0:06:55 > 0:06:59Brexiteer, so they think it is impossible she will sign up to a
0:06:59 > 0:07:02deal. How are they going to cope with the fact that in that cabinet
0:07:02 > 0:07:05on Brexit you have people like her and you have obviously people who
0:07:05 > 0:07:12really want Remain ultimately. It's insane.There are all the other
0:07:12 > 0:07:18factors here, and if this level of sheer animosity, whether it is on a
0:07:18 > 0:07:23personal or political level within the Cabinet, how can you have any
0:07:23 > 0:07:28concept of governmental control and to termination of issues. It is
0:07:28 > 0:07:33really quite concerning. It is fair to say reading between the lines
0:07:33 > 0:07:44that there is a Remain faction that feels that Andrea Leadsom is so
0:07:44 > 0:07:47vehemently pro-Brexit that she wouldn't compromise at all on the
0:07:47 > 0:07:51final deal, and it is conflating two different issues.I was thinking
0:07:51 > 0:08:00back to the expenses scandal, and it was in no wayGordon Brown's fault,
0:08:00 > 0:08:04but it did add to the feeling that these were the dying days of a
0:08:04 > 0:08:07regime, and again, this is not to do with Theresa May although there may
0:08:07 > 0:08:12be things that she knew or the whips knew, but it does seem this is going
0:08:12 > 0:08:19to be the nail in the coffin.How long do you think the public will be
0:08:19 > 0:08:23interested in this story? Already we're getting people having fatigue
0:08:23 > 0:08:27over the stories, I don't want to hear about this any more. It's
0:08:27 > 0:08:32politics.It depends what the allegations are. If we're talking
0:08:32 > 0:08:35about if all the allegations were the same, if they were all putting
0:08:35 > 0:08:41hands on knees, which if you are harassed is a serious issue, but
0:08:41 > 0:08:45again and again, people would get a bit bored, but if we're talking
0:08:45 > 0:08:47about significant and serious allegations of criminal acts which
0:08:47 > 0:08:53have been covered up whether it was by the Labour Party or the
0:08:53 > 0:08:58Conservative Party, any other party, then it will continue to run. And it
0:08:58 > 0:09:05should do. As the Harvey Weinstein and now Kevin Spacey allegations, we
0:09:05 > 0:09:12had Dustin Hoffman allegations, when the allegations are of a
0:09:12 > 0:09:16particularly serious nature, they will continue to be looked at.I
0:09:16 > 0:09:19have talked to female MPs who started to say, do we need an
0:09:19 > 0:09:22inquiry into the historic behaviour in Parliament in much the same way
0:09:22 > 0:09:27that see with the church or other institutions, and they are saying,
0:09:27 > 0:09:32if that happens, how far back are we going to go? I'm sure there is some
0:09:32 > 0:09:36terrible behaviour that has never come to light.Goodness, and
0:09:36 > 0:09:42everybody saying the Sunday papers will be interesting. We will see
0:09:42 > 0:09:46what happens there.Exactly.Staying on the Telegraph, it is this picture
0:09:46 > 0:09:58here, what do you think about this? Good PR on Mr Corbyn's part?Was who
0:09:58 > 0:10:01the bloke who didn't think it was the right thing to do in the
0:10:01 > 0:10:12election campaign to go on the One Show sofa?He is now you're lovable
0:10:12 > 0:10:19uncle, that amazing sort of makeover that he's had. He looks comfortable.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23He was never comfortable in these situations before. One of the really
0:10:23 > 0:10:26interesting things in the run-up to the election was that when he was
0:10:26 > 0:10:30asked about, will you still be tending the allotment if you are
0:10:30 > 0:10:33Prime Minister, and he said, of course I were, everyone needs a
0:10:33 > 0:10:36life, and I thought, that's a really good answer, and lots of people
0:10:36 > 0:10:41thought, that could have been a big story, and actually people were
0:10:41 > 0:10:51like, no, that sounds sensible, and he has managed to find a way to do
0:10:51 > 0:10:53this stuff in a way that he feels comfortable with, which has
0:10:53 > 0:10:56surprised me, because I thought he would never look comfortable with
0:10:56 > 0:11:02it.And yet when he is asked, he was on his doorstep earlier, for
0:11:02 > 0:11:07comments on including Kelvin Hopkins in the Shadow Cabinet, he refused to
0:11:07 > 0:11:11answer that, and yet a week earlier he was saying, zero tolerance, zero
0:11:11 > 0:11:18tolerance. So it's almost as if he will only answer.And they are old
0:11:18 > 0:11:22friends, that is the suggestion.And therein lies the issue. It is going
0:11:22 > 0:11:27back to where we started, these relationships between old men are
0:11:27 > 0:11:34not healthy. And that's it, it's the old boys club, and it can be just as
0:11:34 > 0:11:37much an old boys club in a trade union background or Party meetings
0:11:37 > 0:11:45as it is for older Tony and is. It is suggesting that Rosie Winterton
0:11:45 > 0:11:51queried the appointment when he was made, when Mr Hopkins was made
0:11:51 > 0:11:54Shadow culture Secretary.And that is the point, a lot of women feel
0:11:54 > 0:11:58like when they have raised these things and said, hang on, then they
0:11:58 > 0:12:01don't get listen to, and maybe finally we are going to start
0:12:01 > 0:12:05listening.And what you think about this argument where they say, we
0:12:05 > 0:12:09didn't know. In any other workplace, it is common sense, isn't it? And
0:12:09 > 0:12:13you know you've done something wrong, because a lot of this is
0:12:13 > 0:12:18just, it was just a bit of banter. Maybe people don't want to know.It
0:12:18 > 0:12:24is an easier life not knowing. And I think that is what we are going to
0:12:24 > 0:12:27find out, the lot of people had heard rumours. But to be fair,
0:12:27 > 0:12:32hearing a rumour about something is not the same as knowing it.And some
0:12:32 > 0:12:37of these allegations, we have all seen versions of the list, some of
0:12:37 > 0:12:44the things on that list work and is -- were nonsense.All the consensual
0:12:44 > 0:12:49and none of our business.A lot of this is historical and it will be
0:12:49 > 0:12:52interesting to see how far it goes. The code of conduct will have to
0:12:52 > 0:12:59come into place, but...It depends where we think the Linnes. What
0:12:59 > 0:13:04constitutes a resigning offence? And we sure that beset?Let's stay with
0:13:04 > 0:13:16the Cabot Telegraph, and UK
0:13:16 > 0:13:21jihadists are all targets, says RAF chief.This is a Commodore who says,
0:13:21 > 0:13:27if you pitch up in Iraq and Syria fighting for Daesh then you are
0:13:27 > 0:13:34valid to be targeted because you know what you're signing up for. I
0:13:34 > 0:13:37think many people, irrespective of their political leanings, would
0:13:37 > 0:13:41probably go along with that, actually.I think there is a
0:13:41 > 0:13:51question of how on earth do you derail the lies -- deradicalise
0:13:51 > 0:13:57somebody who has gone out there. There is an argument that people who
0:13:57 > 0:14:04are very easily influenced at 18, and frankly the efforts that go into
0:14:04 > 0:14:07radicalising someone are enormous, and if you start on picking that,
0:14:07 > 0:14:11then actually you might have some success, but I think I do understand
0:14:11 > 0:14:17this argument, that if people have chosen to travel to these countries,
0:14:17 > 0:14:23then how do we really think we're going to get them back.It is an
0:14:23 > 0:14:27issue which has become a significant one clearly the government, how do
0:14:27 > 0:14:33you deal? When these people do return, what do you do? You can't
0:14:33 > 0:14:42just, you have to find due cause to lock them up, it isn't that easy.
0:14:42 > 0:14:47And how can you seriously turn up in Syria because you are naive now? We
0:14:47 > 0:14:52have seen the horrors that Daesh have committed, throwing people off
0:14:52 > 0:14:56buildings, how could you not understand that?And also, how are
0:14:56 > 0:14:59you to know from 20,000 feet the nationality of the people you are
0:14:59 > 0:15:04dropping bombs on down below. You may find subsequently that there was
0:15:04 > 0:15:10a core of British jihadists, but you are not going to know that from that
0:15:10 > 0:15:19height, are you?Let's turn to the FT. Were you in the queues?I have a
0:15:19 > 0:15:25very broken phone, and I'm quite happy with that. I find this utter
0:15:25 > 0:15:29madness, frankly.I am terrified that my daughter will now be
0:15:29 > 0:15:35demanding a new...A $1000 phone, that is madness, isn't it?They go
0:15:35 > 0:15:41out of date overnight, don't they? And I always feel that they make the
0:15:41 > 0:15:48charges so rubbish, you have to keep buying new ones.I get through at
0:15:48 > 0:15:53least five charges of year, because I'm rubbish! I bend them over and
0:15:53 > 0:16:01twist them, and I just...They are not Lego!I have had the same phone
0:16:01 > 0:16:06for three years, I am rather proud of that!If you are Apple, this is
0:16:06 > 0:16:09great news, because they haven't seen these cues in recent years, and
0:16:09 > 0:16:19suddenly the 60 minute expensive phone has been good for the markets.
0:16:19 > 0:16:22-- this extremely expensive phone. And their main competition is in
0:16:22 > 0:16:28Asia from the likes of Samsung, and the Chinese in particular, a very
0:16:28 > 0:16:31large market, are saying, we get more for our money on the Samsung,
0:16:31 > 0:16:35we don't want to pay all that for the brand, yet a lot of Apple people
0:16:35 > 0:16:44will pay just for the brand.Have they sorted out the fact that doing
0:16:44 > 0:16:52your work e-mails on an Apple phone is rubbish. I miss my Blackberry.
0:16:52 > 0:16:59You have a proper keyboard on those! We should go back to proper phones.
0:16:59 > 0:17:05I had that one that you could drop in a beer glass.But nearly $1000.
0:17:05 > 0:17:10It is an incredible sum of money for a phone.People are willing to pay
0:17:10 > 0:17:13that now.They needed some good news, didn't they? Their share price
0:17:13 > 0:17:22climbed as well to an all-time high, 12% rise in fourth-quarter revenues.
0:17:22 > 0:17:28$52 billion!A net income of $10.7 billion. My goodness, there you go.
0:17:28 > 0:17:36Can I have some, please?Martin and Rosamund, thank you very much for
0:17:36 > 0:17:40that. We await all the weekend newspapers.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online
0:17:43 > 0:17:51on the BBC News website.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54It's all there for you - seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers.
0:17:54 > 0:17:56And if you miss the programme any
0:17:56 > 0:17:58evening you can watch it later on BBC iPlayer.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00Thank you to Martin Lipton and Rosamund Urwin.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Goodbye.