14/11/2017

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0:00:16 > 0:00:19Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

0:00:19 > 0:00:22bringing us tomorrow.

0:00:22 > 0:00:24With me are Laura Perrins, co-Editor of the website,

0:00:24 > 0:00:25The Conservative Woman, and journalist and

0:00:25 > 0:00:32broadcaster Rachel Shabi.

0:00:32 > 0:00:36The Telegraph leads with a line-up of the potential Conservative MPs

0:00:36 > 0:00:41threatening to derail the EU Withdrawal Bill.

0:00:41 > 0:00:44The Express

0:00:44 > 0:00:54claims Labour is secretly plotting to stop Brexit.

0:00:54 > 0:01:00The Financial Times says that Jeff Sessions faced more questions about

0:01:00 > 0:01:06contacts with Russia during the presidential campaign.

0:01:06 > 0:01:09The Metro reports General Sir Richard Barrons' warning

0:01:09 > 0:01:11that the Army is dangerously underfunded.

0:01:11 > 0:01:12The Guardian leads

0:01:12 > 0:01:15with claims that Russia has been meddling in British politics

0:01:15 > 0:01:20via Twitter.

0:01:20 > 0:01:22The i is concerned about the rise in development

0:01:22 > 0:01:25on areas of outstanding natural beauty.

0:01:25 > 0:01:29The Daily Mail reports that half of pensioners take at least five drugs

0:01:29 > 0:01:38a day. Let's begin and I think just to get away from Brexit for a couple

0:01:38 > 0:01:44of minutes, let's start with the Metro and the front page, cuts, the

0:01:44 > 0:01:49Army is 20 years out of date.Quite a big story, if not for Brexit this

0:01:49 > 0:01:55would be believe an perhaps some of the main newspapers. The dangerous

0:01:55 > 0:02:01state of the British Army and how underfunded it is, some say it is at

0:02:01 > 0:02:07least 20 years out of date and that it needs an injection of at least 2

0:02:07 > 0:02:12billion a year, which is obviously a very significant sum. Further down

0:02:12 > 0:02:17it says that it is predicted that the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un

0:02:17 > 0:02:21could acquire the capability to nuke London within 18 months, which is

0:02:21 > 0:02:26never something you want to read about this late at night. Quite a

0:02:26 > 0:02:29significant story and whether they'll be able to find that 2

0:02:29 > 0:02:34billion a year in the current climate, we'll have to see.Of

0:02:34 > 0:02:39course there is a budget next week, is this why the tightening of the

0:02:39 > 0:02:42story?I'm sure it is and I'm sure there will be other stories from

0:02:42 > 0:02:49other departments asking for money from the Treasury. But the defence

0:02:49 > 0:02:54of the realm is very important. Up until recently you'd expect it to be

0:02:54 > 0:02:58properly funded.Worth pointing out that this prediction is being made

0:02:58 > 0:03:04by a former forces chief. Always useful to have someone no longer in

0:03:04 > 0:03:07office who feels they can speak out. Of course, you'd expect them to do

0:03:07 > 0:03:14so.Let's move on, having ignored Brexit for a couple of minutes! The

0:03:14 > 0:03:18papers are full of it with that EU withdrawal bill being debated today.

0:03:18 > 0:03:28The Daily Telegraph, Rachel, a Hall of shame for the Daily Telegraph.

0:03:28 > 0:03:38This not at all sinister headline, the Brexit mutineers, listing the

0:03:38 > 0:03:42Conservative MPs who are planning to rebel against Theresa May's idea to

0:03:42 > 0:03:52put into law a date, and actual date that Britain leaves the EU. And

0:03:52 > 0:03:56these remain supporting Conservative MPs, mainly, and they say it is

0:03:56 > 0:04:01ridiculous because we are saying that we don't want to leave, we

0:04:01 > 0:04:06aren't trying to overturn the rendered decision, where just trying

0:04:06 > 0:04:10to ensure that believe safely and get a good deal, that we don't rush

0:04:10 > 0:04:17and leave just because we committed ourselves to this arbitrary date.

0:04:17 > 0:04:20The Labour Party is completely opposed to the date, dismissing it

0:04:20 > 0:04:25as a gimmick and as Theresa May pandering to the Eurosceptics in her

0:04:25 > 0:04:32party. Just kind of boring them a fish to keep them quiet and stop

0:04:32 > 0:04:39them from bickering and being divisive. And at the expense of the

0:04:39 > 0:04:43country. Not a great thing to try and do and therefore no supplies

0:04:43 > 0:04:49that she's facing this rebellion from our own MPs. I would find it

0:04:49 > 0:04:57very unlikely that this move to put the date into law were actually

0:04:57 > 0:05:05passed.It's a very interesting dispute. A number of things happened

0:05:05 > 0:05:09today, not that I want to jump the gun, but the Daily Express covers it

0:05:09 > 0:05:15as well. There was a vote to repeal the European Communities Act and a

0:05:15 > 0:05:19plan to transfer all EU regulations into British law on the day we

0:05:19 > 0:05:23leave. And then the ultimatum essentially is a vote for the deal

0:05:23 > 0:05:30we have other Macs we -- or we will leave without one. A question about

0:05:30 > 0:05:34whether the date on the bill, the date of leaving should be on the

0:05:34 > 0:05:43bill. It would be unusual to type parliament's hands in this way. It

0:05:43 > 0:05:46is an interesting point of conscience, some of these MPs wanted

0:05:46 > 0:05:54to remain in the EU themselves but represent leave constituencies.

0:05:54 > 0:05:58Ultimately, I think it was Edmund Burke who said you are a member of

0:05:58 > 0:06:02Parliament and when you get there you aren't solely a member of your

0:06:02 > 0:06:08individual constituencies. You should be voting, I think, long

0:06:08 > 0:06:14constituency line but another part of me thinks that if you feel this

0:06:14 > 0:06:18is going to be very damaging to the country and your constituents

0:06:18 > 0:06:22themselves, then maybe you should consider your position and resign.

0:06:22 > 0:06:26It's a very difficult decision and it comes back to the idea that this

0:06:26 > 0:06:32was done by referendum and wasn't a promise in the Conservative

0:06:32 > 0:06:36manifesto, that all Conservative MPs had to sign up to. When it was done

0:06:36 > 0:06:40by referendum, these are always difficult issues you come up

0:06:40 > 0:06:46against.Indeed, you mentioned the Daily Express. It has a Brexit

0:06:46 > 0:06:55headline, plan revealed of a new plot to derail Brexit. What is it?

0:06:55 > 0:06:58This is an almost wilful misreading of straight facts. I don't know how

0:06:58 > 0:07:07you can reach that conclusion from what's being planned. Which is that

0:07:07 > 0:07:14a senior Labour Party figure is apparently saying that, you know,

0:07:14 > 0:07:18they're is going to try and commit parliament in these discussions over

0:07:18 > 0:07:23the withdrawal bill that we're going to be seeing over the next days and

0:07:23 > 0:07:28weeks, to a two year transition period. By any stretch, saying that

0:07:28 > 0:07:33you want a two year transition deal period isn't same as saying you want

0:07:33 > 0:07:41to plot to stop Brexit. I think it's symptomatic of the security of the

0:07:41 > 0:07:50leave constituency and its supporters in the right-wing press.

0:07:50 > 0:07:56If they were more confident about their own hand and their capacity to

0:07:56 > 0:08:02take Britain out of the EU properly and safely come in a way that

0:08:02 > 0:08:07wouldn't actually cause massive economic damage to the country, then

0:08:07 > 0:08:12they wouldn't have to keep going on and on about mutineers and traitors

0:08:12 > 0:08:16and these Das Dudley plots to derail Brexit because they'd understand

0:08:16 > 0:08:21that this is a straightforward parliamentary process of scrutiny

0:08:21 > 0:08:27and accountability which is what Parliament is there for. So this

0:08:27 > 0:08:33idea that everyone is constantly plotting to derail is what insecure

0:08:33 > 0:08:37eyes are going to see.Worth pointing out that the Labour Party

0:08:37 > 0:08:43is also split over Europe, isn't it? The Labour Party is also compromised

0:08:43 > 0:08:48in that many of their MPs represent constituencies that absolutely want

0:08:48 > 0:08:52to leave the EU but at the end of the day they aren't the ones in

0:08:52 > 0:09:00power. Rachel is right, if it is limited to a two-year transition

0:09:00 > 0:09:06deal, then that ultimately isn't a plan to derail Brexit but if the

0:09:06 > 0:09:13plan behind it is actually to delay and delay as much as we can, to hang

0:09:13 > 0:09:17onto the two year transition and maybe we can make it last longer,

0:09:17 > 0:09:21then you are looking at something more sinister. I guess MPs should be

0:09:21 > 0:09:28upfront. There are some people like Ken Clarke and a number on Labour

0:09:28 > 0:09:33benches who feel that it is going to be a disaster. You can deal with

0:09:33 > 0:09:37that honesty but it is people who are hedging their bets and trying to

0:09:37 > 0:09:43push it into the future because it lacks transparency.Interesting that

0:09:43 > 0:09:48these cross-party alliances are being formed. In a sense, Labour and

0:09:48 > 0:09:52Conservative are not really the labels any more, it is leave and

0:09:52 > 0:09:59remain when it comes to this debate. The front page of the Guardian, the

0:09:59 > 0:10:04story is that Russia backed Brexit in fake Twitter posts. Every week

0:10:04 > 0:10:10there is a new story about Russia and its influence, either online or

0:10:10 > 0:10:14elsewhere, in the democratic processes in the West. What does it

0:10:14 > 0:10:21say?The story says there is concern about Russian influence in British

0:10:21 > 0:10:25politics, coming off the back of Theresa May saying in a speech, we

0:10:25 > 0:10:31know what you're up to. The Times runs on it as well. We shouldn't be

0:10:31 > 0:10:35under any illusion that this influence people's decision to vote

0:10:35 > 0:10:40to leave the EU, it wasn't about the message on the back of the bus, it

0:10:40 > 0:10:43wasn't about the tweets that Russia put out.I love the people genuinely

0:10:43 > 0:10:50want to leave the EU and have power returned -- a lot of people

0:10:50 > 0:11:01genuinely want to leave the EU. It is concerning if you have a foreign

0:11:01 > 0:11:04country, the Guardian have shortened the organisation unfortunately to

0:11:04 > 0:11:10the IRA, influencing British politics out of a number of accounts

0:11:10 > 0:11:15suspended by Twitter in the US. That may sound like a lot but it is a

0:11:15 > 0:11:21tiny number of accounts compared to what goes on on Twitter. I think

0:11:21 > 0:11:26there is a select committee looking into these things and it is right

0:11:26 > 0:11:30that we know what's going on but I think we should also be careful not

0:11:30 > 0:11:36to exaggerate every influence they might have had.How worried about

0:11:36 > 0:11:42this are you?It is important to keep these two things separate.

0:11:42 > 0:11:49People vote in certain ways and that needs to be understood, people are

0:11:49 > 0:11:56making those decisions for whatever reasons, that isn't necessarily to

0:11:56 > 0:12:02be conflated with the hijacking of our political conversation. Those

0:12:02 > 0:12:12two things can exist separately. Of course it's worrying if you have

0:12:12 > 0:12:17Russian influence in our political conversation in this way, especially

0:12:17 > 0:12:29over Brexit. Not just that, it's the kind of things that these bots and

0:12:29 > 0:12:36troll farms, very divisive in society. Anti-immigration. They have

0:12:36 > 0:12:41tracked a Kremlin linked operation which attempted to stir anti-Islamic

0:12:41 > 0:12:49settlement around -- sentiment around the time of the Westminster

0:12:49 > 0:12:54attack. There was a bogus claim that a Muslim woman was ignoring victims.

0:12:54 > 0:12:59It wasn't true but it made a lot of noise. That is the danger and the

0:12:59 > 0:13:05worry. Politicians should be taking this a lot more seriously and

0:13:05 > 0:13:11calling for an investigation.Let's move on to the Financial Times,

0:13:11 > 0:13:19another Brexit story. Davis soothing city fears with this boat travel. --

0:13:19 > 0:13:25with this boat travel.Quite an interesting story in that David

0:13:25 > 0:13:31Davis wants to protect the city and the vine, -- and the financial

0:13:31 > 0:13:38markets so he has suggested they post Brexit cavalry team allowing

0:13:38 > 0:13:42them to travel freely across Europe as Theresa May tries to reassure the

0:13:42 > 0:13:48City of London. What happens post Brexit, this is important to the

0:13:48 > 0:13:53British economy. I think people working for the same firm, if they

0:13:53 > 0:13:56are switching between offices, London and Brussels and Paris, they

0:13:56 > 0:14:02will be treated in a different manner to other workers. He will

0:14:02 > 0:14:05want to streamline the system and have as few regulations or

0:14:05 > 0:14:10limitations on that form of movement. Of course he has to get

0:14:10 > 0:14:18Europe to agree to that and that again will be another negotiation

0:14:18 > 0:14:25point. He seems pretty sure that the EU will want to play ball on this

0:14:25 > 0:14:31because they will want access to the London financial markets.Let's move

0:14:31 > 0:14:36on, naturally, away from Brexit and onto the front page of the Guardian,

0:14:36 > 0:14:44talking about Zimbabwe and what's going on. Rumours of a clue.Yes,

0:14:44 > 0:14:52these are rumours and there are rumours that Robert Mugabe is behind

0:14:52 > 0:15:00it -- rumours of a coup. He is the only leader that Zimbabwe has had in

0:15:00 > 0:15:0637 years of independence. The rumours are that these tanks and

0:15:06 > 0:15:11lorries that the witnesses are seeing, military personnel in the

0:15:11 > 0:15:20roads approaching the capital have been ordered by Mugabe. There's no

0:15:20 > 0:15:24confirmation of that and I the ambassador in South Africa has

0:15:24 > 0:15:36denied that has said it is stable and fine but it doesn't look great.

0:15:36 > 0:15:39Deceiving South African diplomats have said that the government in

0:15:39 > 0:15:47Harare is intact and they have dismissed of a coup. One more story.

0:15:47 > 0:16:00Delia is in a froth over the rise of the "poncy" chefs. Who are they?I

0:16:00 > 0:16:05don't think we are going to name them.Do you share her anger at

0:16:05 > 0:16:11chefs who put six dots of sauce on a plate?When I saw the story I

0:16:11 > 0:16:16thought she meant cooking at home, that we shouldn't do the fancy

0:16:16 > 0:16:20dishes at home and I certainly agree with that. In fact she is

0:16:20 > 0:16:25complaining that when she goes out, it has become far too fancy and she

0:16:25 > 0:16:30doesn't want these six dots on the plate and I'd have to agree that I'd

0:16:30 > 0:16:35rather like the chance to get out to such a restaurant and I wouldn't be

0:16:35 > 0:16:46complaining. If you don't want to go, Delia, I'll go!Rachel?This has

0:16:46 > 0:16:51been one of the things that is surely to be celebrated about

0:16:51 > 0:16:57British life, the incredible cuisine that has boomed and blossomed in

0:16:57 > 0:17:04this country and particularly this modern British trend over the last

0:17:04 > 0:17:09few years, I think it's been really interesting. It is experimental,

0:17:09 > 0:17:18maybe a bit.... Delia had a cookbook all about boiling an egg,

0:17:18 > 0:17:26essentially.This is a different chapter. Thank you both a rematch,

0:17:26 > 0:17:31Rachel and Laura. That's it for the papers.

0:17:31 > 0:17:34Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online

0:17:34 > 0:17:38on the BBC News website, and if you miss the programme any

0:17:38 > 0:17:41evening you can watch it later on BBC iPlayer.

0:17:41 > 0:17:42Thank you Laura Perrins and Rachel Shabi.

0:17:42 > 0:17:46Goodbye.