0:00:15 > 0:00:18Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
0:00:18 > 0:00:22bringing us tomorrow.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24With me are former pensions minister Baroness Ros Altmann and the writer
0:00:24 > 0:00:25and broadcaster Mihir Bose.
0:00:25 > 0:00:30Tomorrow's front pages...starting with...
0:00:30 > 0:00:35The Guardian leads with a story of pressure growing on Theresa May
0:00:35 > 0:00:39amid what it describes as a "jolt" to Brexit talks.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41The Telegraph claims that MI5 foiled an alleged plot
0:00:41 > 0:00:43to assassinate the Prime Minister in Downing Street.
0:00:43 > 0:00:47That story also makes the Sun's front page.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49The Mirror also leads with what it describes as
0:00:49 > 0:00:54a "Terror plot to kill Theresa May".
0:00:54 > 0:00:57The Times leads with a story on the row between Philip Hammond
0:00:57 > 0:00:59and the Ministry of Defence, claiming the chancellor has been
0:00:59 > 0:01:04banned from using RAF aircraft.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07The Metro leads with next year's rise in rail fares, saying
0:01:07 > 0:01:17passengers are being "bled dry".
0:01:19 > 0:01:22The i notes that the increase in rail prices will be the biggest in
0:01:22 > 0:01:23five years.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26The FT reports that James Murdoch could be the new boss of Disney
0:01:26 > 0:01:28if Disney buys 21st Century Fox from the Murdoch-controlled
0:01:28 > 0:01:30group of companies.
0:01:30 > 0:01:37Good to have you both here. Let's begin with the Telegraph. Rose, that
0:01:37 > 0:01:41iconic picture staring out at us. Christine Keeler in that pose on
0:01:41 > 0:01:50that chair, the chair which is now in the V&A, it was so iconic.With a
0:01:50 > 0:01:55note saying Christine Keeler sat here?I must look at what it does
0:01:55 > 0:01:59say. This is a reminder of one of the bigger sex scandals of the last
0:01:59 > 0:02:06century. And it brought down the Macmillan government. It certainly
0:02:06 > 0:02:16brought down ministers. Profumo, for lying. Was married. He had an affair
0:02:16 > 0:02:19of apparently, Christine Keeler was also having an affair with a Russian
0:02:19 > 0:02:28attache. So have the makings of a real scandal.Mihir Bose, I am not
0:02:28 > 0:02:33being impolite but you just about remember the Profumo affair?I just
0:02:33 > 0:02:36about remember reading political stories for the first time. What is
0:02:36 > 0:02:42interesting looking back to from our 21st century scandals is that when
0:02:42 > 0:02:46Harold Wilson made his attack on the Macmillan government, he said it is
0:02:46 > 0:02:50not about the sex, it is because Christine Keeler has shared secrets
0:02:50 > 0:02:55with the Soviet intelligence officer with whom she shared a bed. The
0:02:55 > 0:02:59point was, the sex was not talked about. Now we are in a different
0:02:59 > 0:03:02world and a better world in the sense that this is much more open,
0:03:02 > 0:03:08but then, the question was, is the country's intelligence being
0:03:08 > 0:03:13compromised by the same woman being in bed with two different men?And
0:03:13 > 0:03:18the picture captures something of the period, doesn't it, with the
0:03:18 > 0:03:26ambiguity of how women were regarded then. She looks like a sophisticated
0:03:26 > 0:03:34ingenue, when she was actually a young Home Counties girl.She is
0:03:34 > 0:03:39remembered as being quite naive and caught up in all of this political
0:03:39 > 0:03:43shenanigans and not really up to all the intrigue. If she ended up in
0:03:43 > 0:03:48jail for perjury as well... And she died penniless, pretty much. It's
0:03:48 > 0:03:59very sad.The whole thing with what happened with Stephen Ward...The
0:03:59 > 0:04:07celebrity osteopath. He would have his own show if it were a modern
0:04:07 > 0:04:13version. He would be on reality TV, but he ended pretty unhappily too.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16Let's go to a story in the Telegraph. Mihir, this is
0:04:16 > 0:04:22intriguing, the imponderable situation Theresa May has got
0:04:22 > 0:04:25herself in over Brexit. Johnson and Gove lead Cabinet revolt, fearing
0:04:25 > 0:04:32that she is going soft.Yes, and it is emerging that David Davis, the
0:04:32 > 0:04:36man who was supposed to take us out of Europe, the hardliner, seems to
0:04:36 > 0:04:41have gone native. There was an exchange in Parliament today where
0:04:41 > 0:04:52Jacob Rees Mogg said there should be a red line. You can't have alignment
0:04:52 > 0:04:55of regulations, and he said the only red line it's to get a good deal out
0:04:55 > 0:05:02of Brexit.So we are prepared to give ground on that.And that is
0:05:02 > 0:05:07what Gove and Johnson are protesting about. They are colleagues of yours.
0:05:07 > 0:05:12David Davis seems to be coming into the real world faster than people
0:05:12 > 0:05:18like Johnson and Gove.I guess you were both Remainers?Correct. But a
0:05:18 > 0:05:23lot of Tories were Remainers, and that is not the point. As David
0:05:23 > 0:05:28Davis says, the point is to get the best deal for Britain. If we want to
0:05:28 > 0:05:33look after Northern Ireland and if we want to treat Northern Ireland as
0:05:33 > 0:05:37a full and equal part of the UK, you can't have different rules for them
0:05:37 > 0:05:43and us. The only way of having a frictionless border seems to me to
0:05:43 > 0:05:46stay in some kind of customs union, probably the one we are currently
0:05:46 > 0:05:56in. David Davis is saying that we have to have regulatory alignment.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01The EU wants a level playing field. You can't have countries who are
0:06:01 > 0:06:04supposed to be trading freely with you suddenly cheating and having
0:06:04 > 0:06:14different regulations.This also makes the front of the FT. Mihir
0:06:14 > 0:06:18were saying people thought of him as a Eurosceptic. He was Europe
0:06:18 > 0:06:25minister under John Major. That was why he was appointed. But your boss,
0:06:25 > 0:06:29Iain Duncan Smith, has said we may have reached the point where we have
0:06:29 > 0:06:33to walk away from the talks because there is no way that we in the
0:06:33 > 0:06:39Conservative Party, MPs of his ilk, will accept staying in the customs
0:06:39 > 0:06:44union, even if you call it something else.The extreme Brexiters do not
0:06:44 > 0:06:51speak for the Tory party. And the idea of walking away and leaving the
0:06:51 > 0:06:57issue of Northern Ireland unsolved is not a view of all the Tory party
0:06:57 > 0:07:02or the whole of Parliament.Even if we walk away, are we not responsible
0:07:02 > 0:07:06for some of our liabilities? We can't say, we are not paying
0:07:06 > 0:07:16anything, and off we go. Look at the Eurostar back!We have to respect
0:07:16 > 0:07:21the referendum. We have to try to leave the EU on good terms. If it
0:07:21 > 0:07:27turns out that things are changing, and David Davis seems to be
0:07:27 > 0:07:29realising that the political decision to leave the single market
0:07:29 > 0:07:33and customs union, which was not something people voted on, may need
0:07:33 > 0:07:40to be rethought, that is responsible. But we must not abandon
0:07:40 > 0:07:45Northern Ireland or abandon the peace process that is so precious on
0:07:45 > 0:07:49the island of Ireland.Let's move on to the sports page of the Guardian,
0:07:49 > 0:07:53Winter Olympics ban for Russia over doping. It is a banner up to a
0:07:53 > 0:07:57point. Some might say it is the wisdom of Solomon. What is your take
0:07:57 > 0:08:03on it?It has finally been done. They didn't do it for the previous
0:08:03 > 0:08:11games. The head of the International Olympic Committee, a German, was
0:08:11 > 0:08:16very close to putting and therefore didn't do it. But now they have done
0:08:16 > 0:08:20it. Even then, Russian athlete who can prove they are keen can take
0:08:20 > 0:08:26part, but not under the Russian flag, under the Olympic flag. Which
0:08:26 > 0:08:36is close to the EU anthem, so we will hear a lot of that. Maybe Jacob
0:08:36 > 0:08:40Rees Mogg should have a word.Maybe we could do what those football
0:08:40 > 0:08:45players were doing in the US in protest. We could have something
0:08:45 > 0:08:51equivalent when they play the Ode To Joy.This is something sport has not
0:08:51 > 0:08:56come to grips with properly. We know there is doping. Sport is always
0:08:56 > 0:09:00trying to say we are on the moral high ground, and jet they don't take
0:09:00 > 0:09:07the decision. Welcome as it is, this is a late decision.You would have
0:09:07 > 0:09:15had a total ban, would you?I would have had a total ban.But isn't it
0:09:15 > 0:09:19hard for the athletes...This is state-sponsored doping. That means
0:09:19 > 0:09:32the state is helping you. You have to bear responsibility.The IOC is
0:09:32 > 0:09:36also considering that these are excellent athletes, and if you want
0:09:36 > 0:09:38to have a meaningful Olympic Games and you have athletes who can prove
0:09:38 > 0:09:45they have done nothing wrong, maybe there is a case for saying to them,
0:09:45 > 0:09:52you can participate. And others who might otherwise be tempted to do
0:09:52 > 0:09:54something they should not be doing will think twice, because there are
0:09:54 > 0:10:03consequences. It is right that you have this decisive action. But maybe
0:10:03 > 0:10:06we have a bit of carrot and stick here. The carrot is, if you are
0:10:06 > 0:10:15clean...Some of them they believe, if we tinker with the edges, we can
0:10:15 > 0:10:19get away with it.Let's move on to the Times and something people will
0:10:19 > 0:10:26not get away with, this extraordinary story. It makes you
0:10:26 > 0:10:31wonder whether this has been fed to the papers because of the critical
0:10:31 > 0:10:37report into MI5 and the Abedi case, the suicide bomber in Manchester.
0:10:37 > 0:10:47That is possible. The Abedi case and the Khalid Masood, boasts of those
0:10:47 > 0:10:50were possibly missed opportunities, but thousands of people are under
0:10:50 > 0:10:53surveillance and you can't be everywhere at all times. But we are
0:10:53 > 0:10:57seeing that two men have been charged with allegedly plotting to
0:10:57 > 0:11:01blow up the Prime Minister. That is really serious. They have also taken
0:11:01 > 0:11:07the opportunity to let us know that nine other terrorist plots have been
0:11:07 > 0:11:13foiled in the last 12 months. So although it is awful that some of
0:11:13 > 0:11:18them have not been foiled, the police and security services are
0:11:18 > 0:11:24working tirelessly to protect us and are doing a good job, succeeding in
0:11:24 > 0:11:32many cases.We should also look at whether they have enough resources.
0:11:32 > 0:11:38In the Abedi case and some others, it seems that they were going to
0:11:38 > 0:11:45talk to him, but later on. Maybe the week after. Maybe there is a
0:11:45 > 0:11:47question of how much resources we are devoted to something that is a
0:11:47 > 0:11:54very serious issue.That is a valid point, but however much resources
0:11:54 > 0:11:58you put into it, there is also the legal problem. Even if you suspect
0:11:58 > 0:12:01something, you have to have meaningful evidence before you can
0:12:01 > 0:12:09do anything.And if you overreact, you almost create a win for those
0:12:09 > 0:12:14who don't like this country, because you change the way this country does
0:12:14 > 0:12:18things.We should be proud of the freedoms we have and we don't have a
0:12:18 > 0:12:24police state.Indeed. We have a less flattering picture of Theresa May
0:12:24 > 0:12:29here with scotch egg on her face! This is a story about train fare
0:12:29 > 0:12:34rises. Do you feel bled dry or do you not use the train?I do use the
0:12:34 > 0:12:39train. In the last decade, trains have changed enormously in this
0:12:39 > 0:12:48country.For the better?For the better. And often, I go by train
0:12:48 > 0:12:55instead of driving. But there is the serious issue of how much we should
0:12:55 > 0:13:03pay in fares.If you are on Southern, I don't think you would be
0:13:03 > 0:13:07complacent about this. The cost of train fares for people who commute,
0:13:07 > 0:13:11they can't afford to live in the big cities, they are living further out
0:13:11 > 0:13:17and now you have the train fare rises by more than wages. 3.4% fare
0:13:17 > 0:13:26rises. Train fares are tied to RPI, the retail prices index, which is
0:13:26 > 0:13:35higher than the CPI. Benefits are tied to the CPI. Lots of areas where
0:13:35 > 0:13:43you might earn more op-ed the CPI. Let's align the two.A bit of
0:13:43 > 0:13:46regulatory alignment! Maybe that will catch on. Ros Altmann and Mihir
0:13:46 > 0:13:49Bose, thank you so much.
0:13:49 > 0:13:50That's it for The Papers tonight.
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0:14:04 > 0:14:05Thank you both.
0:14:05 > 0:14:15Goodbye.