0:00:20 > 0:00:23Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
0:00:23 > 0:00:24bringing us tomorrow.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26With me is Susie Boniface, columnist at the Daily Mirror,
0:00:26 > 0:00:28and the Public Affairs Consultant, Alex Deane.
0:00:28 > 0:00:34good to see you both, happy New Year and all that.Thank you.Hello.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37The I takes a closer look at the ongoing pressure facing
0:00:37 > 0:00:39the NHS this winter, and Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt's
0:00:39 > 0:00:41apology for having to cancel tens of thousands of non-urgent surgeries
0:00:42 > 0:00:45until the end of the month.
0:00:45 > 0:00:49The Times leads on one of the many explosive claims included in a new
0:00:49 > 0:00:53book about the tram presidency, taking special interest in a claim
0:00:53 > 0:00:57that Tony Blair warned Donald Trump's aids that British
0:00:57 > 0:01:01intelligence may have spied on him. The Guardian reports on a call by
0:01:01 > 0:01:04the leader of the local council in winter to get rid of rough sleepers
0:01:04 > 0:01:07by the time of the wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
0:01:07 > 0:01:08The Telegraph says
0:01:08 > 0:01:10the Environment Secretary, Michael Gove, will announce plans
0:01:10 > 0:01:13for farmers to be rewarded for opening up the countryside
0:01:13 > 0:01:15to the public and enhancing the environment after Brexit.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18It also shows a windswept dog called 'Cookie' soaking up Storm Eleanor's
0:01:18 > 0:01:23gale force gusts on the beach at Heacham in Norfolk.
0:01:23 > 0:01:28The metro takes a more ominous look at Storm Eleanor, with an image of
0:01:28 > 0:01:32Porthcawl in South Wales.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34And The Metro also celebrates the lottery win
0:01:34 > 0:01:35of a cab driving widower,
0:01:35 > 0:01:37who scooped £24 million without matching all
0:01:37 > 0:01:38the numbers on his ticket.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41That is also on the front page of the Mirror, with the Lotto winner
0:01:41 > 0:01:46celebrating, surrounded by five daughters. And the story of the
0:01:46 > 0:01:49homeless man originally branded a hero following the Manchester Arena
0:01:49 > 0:01:52attack, having pleaded guilty to stealing some of the victims's
0:01:52 > 0:01:54possessions.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56The Financial Times leads with fears over Britain's asset
0:01:56 > 0:01:58management industry - and its vulnerability to EU
0:01:58 > 0:02:03countries after Brexit.
0:02:03 > 0:02:09The express has a weather story. -10 in some areas warning that we were
0:02:09 > 0:02:14facing a week-long chill. You know where you are with the express has
0:02:14 > 0:02:18toppedin the middle of winter.You know where you are with the times as
0:02:18 > 0:02:22well because we will start with that, Susie. Blair warns Trump UK
0:02:22 > 0:02:27may have spied on him. All of this is part of an explosive new book by
0:02:27 > 0:02:29the journalist writer Michael Wolff in the States that is coming out
0:02:29 > 0:02:34next week. All kinds of claims. This is a very interesting one to stop
0:02:34 > 0:02:40they are all very interesting, and I have to warn the viewer here...The
0:02:40 > 0:02:45viewer? The viewers, or 15 million of them, Susie!I always thought
0:02:45 > 0:02:52about the viewer, and the listener on the radio. The reader when I'm
0:02:52 > 0:02:57writing the papers.OK, we get it! The issue is that many of the people
0:02:57 > 0:03:01he has interviewed have a reputation for, shall we say, misleading the
0:03:01 > 0:03:09public. Tony Blair also has that reputation, allegedly, when it comes
0:03:09 > 0:03:13to dossiers. Allegedly. We have someone who has misled the public
0:03:13 > 0:03:18and is being investigated by the FBI telling Michael Wolff someone else
0:03:18 > 0:03:21who has misled the public are said to him. Journalistically speaking,
0:03:21 > 0:03:25you can't really nail anything down. We can talk about the claims but not
0:03:25 > 0:03:31the definite truth of anything in particular.The claim is Tony Blair
0:03:31 > 0:03:35tipped off the Trump administration that in the run-up to the election,
0:03:35 > 0:03:38the national security agency in the United States was buying on the
0:03:38 > 0:03:47Trump team. Needless to say, both the White House and Trump's
0:03:47 > 0:03:50spokesman denied it was his. I believe Tony Blair who said it and I
0:03:50 > 0:03:55believe it happen.He it didn't happen. He says it is a fabrication.
0:03:55 > 0:04:01He didn't talk about the NSA, he talked about our GCHQ, he talked
0:04:01 > 0:04:04about the British spies spying on Trump effectively for their friends
0:04:04 > 0:04:09at the NSA. It has been broadly shown after the Snowdon revelations
0:04:09 > 0:04:14that the NSA bankrolls a big part of what GCHQ does. We have a listening
0:04:14 > 0:04:19station in Cyprus that the NSA pays for, and so forth. But the
0:04:19 > 0:04:23interesting thing is that the trumpet construction denies this
0:04:23 > 0:04:30happens. If you asked them, the UK Government denies it happen. But
0:04:30 > 0:04:34GCHQ denied to ten years they were doing Burrell Collection on your
0:04:34 > 0:04:38phone calls and e-mails and it turned out they were. These denials
0:04:38 > 0:04:43are of limited value.The point you made, Susie, in a post-truth world,
0:04:43 > 0:04:47a lot of that created by the very man on the front of the times here.
0:04:47 > 0:04:51And the people around him who are now turning on each other.Is he
0:04:51 > 0:04:56reaping what he has so on?The problem with the Trump White House,
0:04:56 > 0:05:02the people who have him in there, they were a fairly loose group of
0:05:02 > 0:05:04affiliations. There were some be built to win the support of the
0:05:04 > 0:05:10Republican Party, some who went to Russia, apparently, some like Steve
0:05:10 > 0:05:13Bannon and bright went to the extreme right wings, went to perhaps
0:05:13 > 0:05:17nationalists supremacist groups. As a result, now they are in the White
0:05:17 > 0:05:21House, when there is a problem there is not one particular core ideology
0:05:21 > 0:05:25of them to stick to the difficult times. Now they are under pressure,
0:05:25 > 0:05:30they are starting to fall apart and this is why Trump has turned on his
0:05:30 > 0:05:33former conciliatory, Steve Bannon and started attacking him.I agree.
0:05:33 > 0:05:38That is deeply weird but none of that suggests this story is
0:05:38 > 0:05:42necessarily untrue. For me, the thing about GCHQ's snooping, they
0:05:42 > 0:05:46said they were not collecting data on you, me and everyone else. We had
0:05:46 > 0:05:54an investigatory Powers Tribunal ruled that they were collecting
0:05:54 > 0:05:57everyone's data unlawfully. Why should we believe Donald Trump was
0:05:57 > 0:06:01any different?I don't think people would mind if they were listening to
0:06:01 > 0:06:06him in the run up to the election. So why deny it?Probably because
0:06:06 > 0:06:11they were not doing it.Front page of the Telegraph, farmers to be paid
0:06:11 > 0:06:14to open up land to the public according to Michael Gove, the
0:06:14 > 0:06:20Environment Secretary.It seems when we leave the European Union, in
0:06:20 > 0:06:24Shalaa, in 2019, we will be subsidising our farmers who will
0:06:24 > 0:06:30lose from their subsidy, instead of just giving hand-outs, which I think
0:06:30 > 0:06:33is right, we will reward farmers for greater public access. The quote
0:06:33 > 0:06:37from Michael Gove is that you will only receive public money for public
0:06:37 > 0:06:47good.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51On land that hitherto Ramblas and Coe could not go on to. To me it
0:06:51 > 0:06:57sounds like a very good idea. It is also quite brave of Michael Gove.
0:06:57 > 0:07:03Many people who receive hitherto this kind of hand are wealthy
0:07:03 > 0:07:07landowners who have received it either for owning land they owned
0:07:07 > 0:07:10anyway, or owning land and then not doing anything with it under
0:07:10 > 0:07:15set-aside. Michael Gove is Environment Secretary once again
0:07:15 > 0:07:19rather surprises people by doing the unexpected and probably doing a good
0:07:19 > 0:07:24thing.Does it make sense to you, Susie?To some extent,
0:07:24 > 0:07:30journalistically. This is a speech Michael Gove is given, an early
0:07:30 > 0:07:33version handed out to some newspapers. The Times and the
0:07:33 > 0:07:37Telegraph both reported it differently for different reasons,
0:07:37 > 0:07:41they have different readerships and different reasons for not backing
0:07:41 > 0:07:44Gove. What good is saying in the Telegraph has absolutely no figures
0:07:44 > 0:07:50are attached to it.So he doesn't say how much it might cost?It does.
0:07:50 > 0:07:57Just a moment. The Times reports that the total cost will be £10
0:07:57 > 0:08:02billion. It also says that these promises, to give a transition to
0:08:02 > 0:08:06farmers for their subsidies, was intended to end in 2022, and Gove is
0:08:06 > 0:08:09having the extent that to 2024 because farmers would not have long
0:08:09 > 0:08:12enough, in terms of preparing for the future and buying their
0:08:12 > 0:08:20equipment and so on and so forth. If you say farmers have two games
0:08:20 > 0:08:29subsidies, which they need, then you have to do give that farmer more
0:08:29 > 0:08:34than he would get for putting it in wheat or crops or animals or solar
0:08:34 > 0:08:37farm or something else. So it will cost more than perhaps capped
0:08:37 > 0:08:42subsidies would do and there is no figure on it.Or indeed not growing
0:08:42 > 0:08:46anything.Yes, quite often you can get subsidies for not farming your
0:08:46 > 0:08:51land. Your average person in this country would ask why is Khalid
0:08:51 > 0:08:56Abdullah Al sued receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds a year for
0:08:56 > 0:09:01his land and capped subsidies, and why when we promised to match that
0:09:01 > 0:09:05subsidy for doing nothing? Isn't it right when we leave the EU that we
0:09:05 > 0:09:09ask them to do something in return for that money, to allow public
0:09:09 > 0:09:14access to the land? I sound like a socialist saying this!Alex, trust
0:09:14 > 0:09:20me, you will never sound like a socialist.God bless you!CHUCKLING
0:09:20 > 0:09:25The Paice, Jeremy Hunt -- the Ibiza.
0:09:29 > 0:09:33Jeremy Hunt.They have had to prepare very hard for this winter.
0:09:33 > 0:09:39There were queues in A&E in summer. There were issues plainly coming
0:09:39 > 0:09:46several years down the track. Now we have a particular cold spell, a
0:09:46 > 0:09:56norovirus and a flu outbreak and a growing social care problem. More
0:09:56 > 0:10:00and more people with conflicts problems have to go to A&E at the
0:10:00 > 0:10:05last minute and be treated there. Hunt had to apologise for stop
0:10:05 > 0:10:09further is no crisis, there is nothing to see here. You only have
0:10:09 > 0:10:13to have spent five minutes in the NHS to know what the problems are.
0:10:13 > 0:10:18To know someone who works at the NHS or to have used it. There are
0:10:18 > 0:10:25clearly problems afoot and you can't continue denying it.There are
0:10:25 > 0:10:28problems afoot but the lazy answer is that there is not about money but
0:10:28 > 0:10:34putting more money into the NHS than ever.But not enough.That is
0:10:34 > 0:10:38because some people regard the NHS as a religion.Demand has gone up 4%
0:10:38 > 0:10:42of the funding has gone up 1%.There are several countries who give
0:10:42 > 0:10:46roughly the same or less, like Australia, Switzerland, that don't
0:10:46 > 0:10:51fall over when they have a flu outbreak. The point about it is not
0:10:51 > 0:10:55the amount of money that goes in, it is about who provides that payment.
0:10:55 > 0:11:00Generally speaking it is when it is a universal state system that it
0:11:00 > 0:11:04falls over. It is about inefficiency and incompetence, not about the mad
0:11:04 > 0:11:07money for stop in the end people like shouting the odds on that don't
0:11:07 > 0:11:11like people pointing it out because to them the NHS is a cult, our
0:11:11 > 0:11:20national origin. You can't touch it in politics in case you die.You
0:11:20 > 0:11:28don't want to defend it, you don't get to use it.And there you go.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31That attitude.Homeless people should be cleared out of winter for
0:11:31 > 0:11:38the royal wedding, apparently the call from a local council.I think
0:11:38 > 0:11:42it is someone who has a lid flies are treated if you time is. You
0:11:42 > 0:11:46think people would learn not to use social media, or indeed the comment
0:11:46 > 0:11:52in the way they do. The Conservative leader of the Royal Borough of
0:11:52 > 0:11:55Windsor and Maidenhead seems to have written to Thames Valley Police,
0:11:55 > 0:11:58asking effectively for the enforcement of the law as it stands,
0:11:58 > 0:12:02which is to stop aggressive begging and intimidation. But that is
0:12:02 > 0:12:05different from saying I want to clear the homeless out of a
0:12:05 > 0:12:08particular borough. On the one hand you have what he has asked for, in
0:12:08 > 0:12:12the law as it stands, not unreasonable. On the other, people
0:12:12 > 0:12:16behaving I think probably unwisely on social media. In the end, the
0:12:16 > 0:12:21Guardian like to say Tories are bad. LAUGHTER
0:12:21 > 0:12:27Does it, Susie?Going back to the story, the council leader has
0:12:27 > 0:12:31treated apparently it is an issue he said some of these while he was
0:12:31 > 0:12:36skiing in Wyoming.So you are saying the same as me, back to the story.
0:12:36 > 0:12:41Then he has written to the local Police Commissioner, which has been
0:12:41 > 0:12:43released to the public before it has gone to the Police Commissioner, he
0:12:43 > 0:12:49says. Maybe the post was just late (!) As Alex rightly says, he has
0:12:49 > 0:12:52conflated the issue of homelessness and rough sleeping with begging and
0:12:52 > 0:12:56vagrancy which is not the same thing. You have a real issue with
0:12:56 > 0:13:00homelessness, about a dozen people sleeping rough on the streets of
0:13:00 > 0:13:03Windsor on Christmas Day cared for by local charities. It is known that
0:13:03 > 0:13:08a third of people who are rough sleepers have mental health
0:13:08 > 0:13:10problems, nearly half have substance abuse problems. You constantly clear
0:13:10 > 0:13:15them off the streets. No you could give them somewhere to go for the
0:13:15 > 0:13:21day. It cost about 1500 quid to get someone off the street at about
0:13:21 > 0:13:26£20,000 to the state to them to have on the -- stay on the street and
0:13:26 > 0:13:30have helped the need.Confusion than perhaps in Windsor covering that
0:13:30 > 0:13:33particular story but no confusion about the guy in the front of the
0:13:33 > 0:13:39Daily Mirror. This Cabaye has won Wendy Fawell million pounds. "My
0:13:39 > 0:13:44Girlfriend is looking down from heaven, she passed away last year".
0:13:44 > 0:13:48Amazing story, God bless him. He got five numbers, as did several dozen
0:13:48 > 0:13:52other people who got about a grand apiece, but he also got the bonus
0:13:52 > 0:13:56ball, and that has made him a multimillionaire. And God bless him,
0:13:56 > 0:14:04because last year his other half, aged 41...Four years ago.Excuse
0:14:04 > 0:14:08me, four years ago, collapsed and died on their Christmas tree. It is
0:14:08 > 0:14:11a great story of someone who deserves a true bit of luck and who
0:14:11 > 0:14:17got it.It is nice to get a deserving lottery winner. But the
0:14:17 > 0:14:21problem he will find is that when you do have lottery wins, the
0:14:21 > 0:14:23winners are often inundated with begging letters, family member is
0:14:23 > 0:14:27they haven't heard from in years and years. You don't have to have
0:14:27 > 0:14:33publicity.He could have said no. He clearly feels he could do with it.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36People so they often want to share, I just hope he doesn't get taken
0:14:36 > 0:14:41advantage of.We will end at there. Thank you for the stories behind the
0:14:41 > 0:14:44headlines and the YouTube watching.
0:14:44 > 0:14:47Don't forget, you can see the front pages of the papers online
0:14:47 > 0:14:48on the BBC News website.
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0:14:55 > 0:15:00Thank you, Susie and Alex.