0:00:15 > 0:00:18Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
0:00:18 > 0:00:19bringing us tomorrow.
0:00:19 > 0:00:22With me are Michael Booker, deputy editor of Daily
0:00:22 > 0:00:27Express and Rachel Shabi, journalist and broadcaster.
0:00:27 > 0:00:32Many of tomorrow's front pages are already in.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35The i says Theresa May has been given the go-ahead by the Treasury
0:00:35 > 0:00:39to cut tuition fees.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41Calls for the two British so-called Islamic State fighters,
0:00:41 > 0:00:50to face trial at the Hague leads the Telegraph.
0:00:50 > 0:00:52The Daily Mail says that one of the British jihadis
0:00:52 > 0:00:54was attempting to travel back to the UK.
0:00:54 > 0:00:57The FT leads with the strong stance made by the Eu's Chief
0:00:57 > 0:00:59negotiator for Brexit, that a transition deal
0:00:59 > 0:01:00is "not a given".
0:01:00 > 0:01:04The Guardian claims safety breaches at laboratories could have exposed
0:01:04 > 0:01:10scientists to potentially lethal diseases.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13The FT leads with the strong stance made by the EU's Chief
0:01:13 > 0:01:15negotiator for Brexit, that a transition deal
0:01:15 > 0:01:16is "not a given".
0:01:16 > 0:01:18The Express carries comments from a Bank of England official,
0:01:18 > 0:01:26who says that Britain will be robust after Brexit.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29So a first look at Saturday's papers, thank you both for joining,
0:01:29 > 0:01:31let's hear what you make of some of those stories.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34Let's start with that story in The Daily Mail which asks whether the
0:01:34 > 0:01:40jet had a Briton was sneaking back home. What is your take on this one?
0:01:40 > 0:01:48It is particularly focusing on one of the two Britons, Alexanda Kotey,
0:01:48 > 0:01:54who were captured. They've tried to give it as much as a British related
0:01:54 > 0:02:00angle as possible. It taps into the fear that with the Islamic State
0:02:00 > 0:02:08being routed in Syria, a lot of the guys and women who went over there
0:02:08 > 0:02:12to fight for them are going to try and come back and subsequently there
0:02:12 > 0:02:17could be terror attacks here. We understand they are being quizzed by
0:02:17 > 0:02:25the Americans, the CIA and our intelligence as well to see... About
0:02:25 > 0:02:28Isis and about plots coming here. I think that's the way The Mail have
0:02:28 > 0:02:32done it in that way, because there is that fear that people could be
0:02:32 > 0:02:36getting through. They clearly didn't get through, they are safely in
0:02:36 > 0:02:41custody, thank God. Now is the question about what to do with them.
0:02:41 > 0:02:48The Telegraph have looked at that and are saying the defence ministers
0:02:48 > 0:02:51say they should not go to Guantanamo Bay but there should be some special
0:02:51 > 0:02:58mechanism in The Hague to try them. A lot of questions still about these
0:02:58 > 0:03:05two men.It looks like it could be a possible conflict between the UK and
0:03:05 > 0:03:12the US. The US backed Syrian democratic forces captured these two
0:03:12 > 0:03:17men who were Islamic State fighters and Trump has indicated they should
0:03:17 > 0:03:22go to Guantanamo Bay. Of course, Britain won't be happy about that
0:03:22 > 0:03:25although there is some division in cabinet I understand. In principle
0:03:25 > 0:03:29Britain has been opposed to Guantanamo Bay and will be trying to
0:03:29 > 0:03:33get people out of there, not put more people into it. There was also
0:03:33 > 0:03:39the bigger question of its really important with something like this.
0:03:39 > 0:03:44Obviously these were appalling crimes committed by Islamic State
0:03:44 > 0:03:48and it's an important part of the aftermath of war to have justice to
0:03:48 > 0:03:54be visibly done. It's an important part of any kind of aftermath and
0:03:54 > 0:03:58what happens next in those countries, as well as setting a
0:03:58 > 0:04:04standard that is different from Islamic State. We have a system of
0:04:04 > 0:04:10justice, justice will be done through the courts. That is a value
0:04:10 > 0:04:14that we think is important. It's important to have that in this
0:04:14 > 0:04:20particular conflict and issue I think.The families of victims won't
0:04:20 > 0:04:26have much sympathy for how they are treated, particularly.They have
0:04:26 > 0:04:30said very much they want to see them facing a proper trial.The other
0:04:30 > 0:04:36thing is, if you go to The Hague does that give them a legitimacy as
0:04:36 > 0:04:44an army rather than criminals?This is picking up The Daily Telegraph
0:04:44 > 0:04:48which says they should face a trial at The Hague. This is by Tobias
0:04:48 > 0:04:51Ellwood his own brother was killed in a terrorist attack.He has
0:04:51 > 0:04:55suggested because of the scale of this that there needs to be a
0:04:55 > 0:05:01special mechanism with The Hague. Just thinking, is that giving them
0:05:01 > 0:05:07this legitimacy of a proper army. They did try one of the world's most
0:05:07 > 0:05:17famous war criminals.I think a lot of people will be happy to see them
0:05:17 > 0:05:20extradited to America where they could face the death penalty in
0:05:20 > 0:05:26their courts.At this point it is important for a country who believes
0:05:26 > 0:05:30in its democratic values as distinct from the lawlessness and the
0:05:30 > 0:05:34appalling crimes committed by Islamic State, it's important to
0:05:34 > 0:05:41make that distinction visibly clear in a way we execute justice.If they
0:05:41 > 0:05:46were extradited to America, that's American justice if they do face the
0:05:46 > 0:05:51death penalty after that.But they are Brits.We aren't sure if they
0:05:51 > 0:05:54are, if they have had their citizenship revoked we are duty
0:05:54 > 0:05:58bound to stand in the way of extradition which is something the
0:05:58 > 0:06:02government and saying what they are doing at the moment.It appears the
0:06:02 > 0:06:07signals coming out that these two have both been stripped of their
0:06:07 > 0:06:12British citizenship. That presumably makes a trial here less likely.We
0:06:12 > 0:06:16all know the problems with Guantanamo, one of the issues was
0:06:16 > 0:06:20the double standards. You're going to criticise things that are done in
0:06:20 > 0:06:23the Middle East and then you're going to behave in that way in
0:06:23 > 0:06:28Guantanamo with all the torture and atrocities. That's not necessarily
0:06:28 > 0:06:32something that we want to be seen... There is a hypocrisy there that we
0:06:32 > 0:06:36need to eliminate.I think generally, the man and woman in the
0:06:36 > 0:06:40street might not have a huge amount of sympathy...That's why the man
0:06:40 > 0:06:44and woman in the street and in the judiciary. That's why we have a
0:06:44 > 0:06:49process.America has a process and it could end up with them in
0:06:49 > 0:06:54Guantanamo Bay.That's the dilemma now.Moving on from there, closer to
0:06:54 > 0:07:04home we've got the IP per -- we've got the i Paper talking about
0:07:04 > 0:07:09tuition fees. This is obviously an issue where Labour has made a lot of
0:07:09 > 0:07:15running.This is the Conservative attempt to try and claw back some of
0:07:15 > 0:07:19the youth vote that it has haemorrhaged, where young people is
0:07:19 > 0:07:31anyone under the age of 46. Even if they manage, the Treasury has
0:07:31 > 0:07:35signalled approval for this policy, even if Theresa May manages to
0:07:35 > 0:07:39follow through with any kind of policy at the moment which is
0:07:39 > 0:07:42debatable given her paralysis and track record, we then have to look
0:07:42 > 0:07:48at why would anyone fall for this kind of lowering of tuition fees
0:07:48 > 0:07:52when you could have the real thing, a complete cut, with the Labour
0:07:52 > 0:07:57Party. The other issue is given the Conservatives aren't going to raise
0:07:57 > 0:08:03taxes, how are they going to fund any reduction in fees. The worry is
0:08:03 > 0:08:14that it will come from the schools budget.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18They have a problem with their budgeting in the way that the Labour
0:08:18 > 0:08:23Party doesn't as well.There is a key line which says decision on
0:08:23 > 0:08:29lower cap rests with Theresa May. Decision and Theresa May, we haven't
0:08:29 > 0:08:38seen a lot of those.Mr Hammond has fallen out with her a lot recently.
0:08:38 > 0:08:42Me and my brother wouldn't have been able to go to University of wit had
0:08:42 > 0:08:49to pay these fees. £6,000 is still huge amount of money for people.
0:08:49 > 0:08:55They are saying this is because of the cost of writing off unpaid...
0:08:55 > 0:08:59You can still not pay off a student loan of £6,000 as well. It's going
0:08:59 > 0:09:04to take a lot to get to those levels, earnings wise. So whether
0:09:04 > 0:09:10this is a brilliant idea, we don't know. I can't see people flocking to
0:09:10 > 0:09:19the polls for this.The idea seems to be that they are happy for this
0:09:19 > 0:09:23to happen, the Treasury, because of the cost of writing it. Presumably
0:09:23 > 0:09:27that's because very few graduates are earning above the threshold to
0:09:27 > 0:09:32actually start to repay the money. That's the other problem. Students
0:09:32 > 0:09:38are being hit at every turn. On the one hand we have the highest level
0:09:38 > 0:09:46of, or the second highest of student loans, like the amount is completely
0:09:46 > 0:09:50punishing the students. On the other hand to come out of university with
0:09:50 > 0:09:56a degree and then the problem is finding a job with any kind of
0:09:56 > 0:10:00sustainable living income. It's a double hit for young people.Lets
0:10:00 > 0:10:06have a look at The Daily Mirror. This is another story about problems
0:10:06 > 0:10:11with the parole system.We've had stuff about John Warboys over the
0:10:11 > 0:10:17last few weeks. This is another one. This is James Yates who was given 12
0:10:17 > 0:10:24years for supplying the gun which killed Rhys Jones in 2007. He was
0:10:24 > 0:10:29released on licence so few years ago. Then he was subsequently
0:10:29 > 0:10:32rearrested for drugs offences. They were dropped but it also breached
0:10:32 > 0:10:38bail. Now there has been a decision by the parole office to let him out.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41Understandably the father of Rhys Jones is furious. He says he was the
0:10:41 > 0:10:47worst of the lot because he gave them the garden. I think we'll get a
0:10:47 > 0:10:51lot of the stories because people are always going to come up for
0:10:51 > 0:10:54parole and it's always going to be controversial given what's happened
0:10:54 > 0:11:02with John Warboys.Moving on, and looking at The Express in a moment.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05One story that doesn't seem to have made the front pages is the fact
0:11:05 > 0:11:11you've actually been taken over. How's that gone down?Is quite an
0:11:11 > 0:11:15exciting time, I'd recommend being part of a takeover at least once in
0:11:15 > 0:11:19your life.By The Mirror, a group not known to share the political
0:11:19 > 0:11:23outlook of The Express.As long as you keep your politics apart it's
0:11:23 > 0:11:28quite easy to do. It's exciting times in newspapers, we'll see what
0:11:28 > 0:11:33happens. Two great names getting together, I'm sure it will be fine.
0:11:33 > 0:11:40Brilliant. On that note, Rachel, The Express front page is saying Brexit
0:11:40 > 0:11:46Britain will be robust which of course reflects The Express' view on
0:11:46 > 0:11:54this.You wonder if this will still be the view. You've got to hammer it
0:11:54 > 0:12:00home with the exclamation point. This is according to a senior Bank
0:12:00 > 0:12:05of England official who today said that we are going to be fine,
0:12:05 > 0:12:10everything is going to be fine. If we live without, if we leave with a
0:12:10 > 0:12:16deal, it's all going to be fine, we don't need to worry.It reflects
0:12:16 > 0:12:18what our readers think and that's what we tried to do. We hear every
0:12:18 > 0:12:24day from them, phone calls, letters, e-mails, that they think it's going
0:12:24 > 0:12:30to be fine. It's nice to have... That's a feeling.This is also from
0:12:30 > 0:12:36the deputy governor of the Bank of England.Also a feeling.We've got
0:12:36 > 0:12:39to report something!Interesting The Express has picked up on this at a
0:12:39 > 0:12:46time when we've had this powerful intervention by Michel Barnier. The
0:12:46 > 0:12:53FT on its front page has got a write-up on this, saying the Brexit
0:12:53 > 0:12:57transition is not a given. This was Michel Barnier today's.We've seen
0:12:57 > 0:13:02this all week. You get the feeling a pattern is emerging with these
0:13:02 > 0:13:06negotiations. It feels like we saw this kind of interaction in the
0:13:06 > 0:13:11first stage of being English editions as well, both sides saying
0:13:11 > 0:13:19that's unreasonable. The other side says you're being unreasonable. It
0:13:19 > 0:13:22seems to go back and forth like that. Actually it is not to detract
0:13:22 > 0:13:28from the fact this is quite significant. The transition period
0:13:28 > 0:13:35is very important to commit to as soon as possible because, as we saw
0:13:35 > 0:13:42with the pound dropping today, it does lead to insecurity in the
0:13:42 > 0:13:45business world and the business community not knowing that this
0:13:45 > 0:13:50transition period in which things will remain unchanged is definitely
0:13:50 > 0:13:55going to happen and for how long. Pretty strong words from Michel
0:13:55 > 0:14:01Barnier today.There were strong words in the last set of talks. It
0:14:01 > 0:14:04seems like him and David Davis are like two boxes getting back in the
0:14:04 > 0:14:08ring for another round and they will trade some blows, we think it will
0:14:08 > 0:14:12go to the last few seconds and then funnily enough they operate so let's
0:14:12 > 0:14:16have another round. You get the impression there seems to be this
0:14:16 > 0:14:20rhythm to it. But there are some serious sticking points. They are
0:14:20 > 0:14:26talking about falsehood is on rights for people from the EU -- full
0:14:26 > 0:14:30citizen rights. And this idea we could be punished and kicked out at
0:14:30 > 0:14:34various points if we break certain rules during transition. It's the
0:14:34 > 0:14:39start of round two and we'll have to get used to this.It is a weird
0:14:39 > 0:14:43request for Britain. Surely the point of a transition period is
0:14:43 > 0:14:47things are moral less and changed. The idea of introducing another tier
0:14:47 > 0:14:51of circumstances for EU citizens in the transition period and then
0:14:51 > 0:14:56again, it seems like an awful way to treat a lot of people.Yes, that's
0:14:56 > 0:15:01something they have to sort out. They'll come back with something
0:15:01 > 0:15:04else and meet somewhere in the middle.The other issue Michel
0:15:04 > 0:15:08Barnier raised was this question of the Northern Ireland border, saying
0:15:08 > 0:15:13if we are going to be outside the customs union and the single market,
0:15:13 > 0:15:19then he's saying a border between Northern Ireland and the republic is
0:15:19 > 0:15:24unavoidable.Going back to Theresa May, all of the Brexiteers and the
0:15:24 > 0:15:28Cabinet haven't decided what they want from the end of Brexit. They
0:15:28 > 0:15:31are supposed to be going away to sort this out. I'm not sure they
0:15:31 > 0:15:35know exactly what they are asking for at the moment. There is still a
0:15:35 > 0:15:41huge confusion.You can see Michel Barnier is saying we thought you
0:15:41 > 0:15:45would have told us by now exactly how this was going to work, we are
0:15:45 > 0:15:48expecting you and then you've suddenly taken it off the table this
0:15:48 > 0:15:53week. If you're not going to tell us we will have to assume Northern
0:15:53 > 0:15:56Ireland will remain in the customs union and single market because
0:15:56 > 0:15:59that's the only way to resolve it in the absence of any suggestion from
0:15:59 > 0:16:04you. I can't see how that will play with Northern Ireland and the DUP
0:16:04 > 0:16:09because it would put a border between...We thought we had sorted
0:16:09 > 0:16:15this out the other week!As Michel Barnier says, the clock is ticking.
0:16:15 > 0:16:20The Telegraph has a fantastic picture on its front page. This is
0:16:20 > 0:16:25another one of the stories we've been discussing, the opening of
0:16:25 > 0:16:29those Winter Olympics with the combined North and South Korean
0:16:29 > 0:16:35team.We've got Mike Pence, the vice president of the United States and
0:16:35 > 0:16:39behind him the sister of Kim Jong-un. That's all she is known as
0:16:39 > 0:16:46is his sister. She's a despot in harrowing right! -- in her own
0:16:46 > 0:16:53right. That's the sister smiling beatifically. Mike Pence ignored
0:16:53 > 0:16:57this dinner that certain North Korean dignitaries were invited to
0:16:57 > 0:17:02and so had he. He's not talking to them. It's a slightly childish
0:17:02 > 0:17:07way...It looks as though he's a bit embarrassed by the whole thing is.
0:17:07 > 0:17:11Because I'm so obsessed with the weather at the moment because it's
0:17:11 > 0:17:15freezing, I've been watching and the journalists apparently have heat
0:17:15 > 0:17:21packs but in the ceremony some of the performers as well as the
0:17:21 > 0:17:28athletes, some in shorts, one of them is bare-chested...The
0:17:28 > 0:17:31diplomatic repercussions of the combined North and South Korean team
0:17:31 > 0:17:38hasn't been uppermost in your mind! It's amazing, obviously!He's
0:17:38 > 0:17:43gripped by it rather than thinking he wants to get out of there!He's
0:17:43 > 0:17:50cold as well.He had a smile fixed on his face. It was a huge,
0:17:50 > 0:17:54spectacular ceremony with fireworks. And in terms of diplomacy, a massive
0:17:54 > 0:18:02statement.Shaking hands with President Moon, a huge big thing.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05Whether at the end of the Olympics everyone is still friends again,
0:18:05 > 0:18:09we'll see but I'm not betting on it! They've been told by the US not to
0:18:09 > 0:18:15be friends.Another story on the front page of The Telegraph,
0:18:15 > 0:18:19smartphones will get you off the sofa.The NHS is designing healthy
0:18:19 > 0:18:26homes in ten new help the towns. Lots of monitoring, smart technology
0:18:26 > 0:18:29and new homes, remote monitoring of people, sensors to tell you when you
0:18:29 > 0:18:33should be doing more and to tell you to do more steps. In these towns
0:18:33 > 0:18:43there will be free bikes, outdoor assault courses.Is that your
0:18:43 > 0:18:46favourite bit?This is brilliant. On every street corner and outdoor
0:18:46 > 0:18:50assault course. You'll be bringing into work saying I can't come in,
0:18:50 > 0:18:55I'm stuck on a rope ladder! People will be revolting. We don't want
0:18:55 > 0:18:59people ringing us up in the middle of the night saying you want to
0:18:59 > 0:19:02bring enough steps!Many thanks.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04That's it for The Papers tonight.
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0:19:15 > 0:19:17Thank you Michael and Rachel.
0:19:17 > 0:19:21Goodbye.