0:00:00 > 0:00:03This week on the programme, my guest is the best selling writer, Mick
0:00:03 > 0:00:09Herron, with his new book on the Luke Jackson lamb...
0:00:15 > 0:00:18Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be
0:00:18 > 0:00:22bringing us tomorrow.
0:00:22 > 0:00:25With me are Nigel Nelson, political editor
0:00:25 > 0:00:28of the Sunday Mirror and Political commentator, Jo Phillips.
0:00:28 > 0:00:33Many of tomorrow's front pages are already in.
0:00:33 > 0:00:36We almost have an embarrassment of riches tonight!
0:00:36 > 0:00:39The Observer investigates Britain's prison
0:00:39 > 0:00:41system, claiming two-thirds of prisons are providing inmates
0:00:41 > 0:00:47with inadequate conditions or unacceptable treatment.
0:00:47 > 0:00:51The Sunday Express says Theresa May has declared there will be "no
0:00:52 > 0:00:54going back" on Brexit.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55The Telegraph leads on claims prominent members
0:00:55 > 0:00:58of the Labour Party met eastern bloc agents during the Cold War.
0:00:58 > 0:01:08The Mail on Sunday has an interview with Brendon Cox -
0:01:08 > 0:01:15the widower of murdered MP Jo Cox -
0:01:15 > 0:01:18Who has stepped down from his role in two charities after admitting
0:01:18 > 0:01:19inappropriate behaviour with a colleague.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21The papers says he has also stepped down from two charities,
0:01:21 > 0:01:23set up in his late wife's memory.
0:01:23 > 0:01:25The Sunday Times says the Education Secretary is looking
0:01:25 > 0:01:27at a number of university reforms, including cheaper tuition
0:01:27 > 0:01:28fees for some courses.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31And the Sun on Sunday reports on alleged marriage difficulties
0:01:31 > 0:01:32between pop stars Cheryl and Liam Payne.
0:01:32 > 0:01:35A variety of stories for us to mull over. We will start with a story
0:01:35 > 0:01:39that has been rumbling on. We talked about it last night in a different
0:01:39 > 0:01:44form. The Sunday Telegraph, a Czechoslovakian agent claims 15
0:01:44 > 0:01:51Labour MPs met with spies. It started with Jeremy Corbyn and is
0:01:51 > 0:02:00now spreading out?Among the 15 were John McDonnell. They said they were
0:02:00 > 0:02:07absurd claims. It has been called ridiculous. If you put this into
0:02:07 > 0:02:11context, we are talking about the 1980s. Eastern Europe was going
0:02:11 > 0:02:16through a major change because of Gorbachev, the Berlin Wall coming
0:02:16 > 0:02:20down in 1989. We used to get in the House of Commons a lot of East
0:02:20 > 0:02:24Europeans who would pop in and pop out. You would think, well, some of
0:02:24 > 0:02:31them may be spies, maybe all of them? You would be careful about
0:02:31 > 0:02:37talking to them! But MPs did. It would be reasonable for MPs to do
0:02:37 > 0:02:41that on the basis that they wanted to learn what was going on in
0:02:41 > 0:02:45eastern Europe at the time. If Jeremy Corbyn really thought he was
0:02:45 > 0:02:49talking to a diplomat, that shows a bit of naivete. You always have to
0:02:49 > 0:02:53imagine that these people may have been spies. The idea that they could
0:02:53 > 0:02:58have been passing information across, I'm not sure they had any.
0:02:58 > 0:03:03Or there is no evidence of what they could have done.What could Jeremy
0:03:03 > 0:03:06Corbyn in 1986 possibly have provided about the British treatment
0:03:06 > 0:03:10or Secret Service to a Czechoslovakian agent or spy?And
0:03:10 > 0:03:20how many other MPs from other parties...Exactly. Eastern Europe
0:03:20 > 0:03:23was a big political football at the time. They spoke to all of these
0:03:23 > 0:03:28people. If you were sensible about it, you always thought that maybe
0:03:28 > 0:03:33this diplomat is not a diplomat, or whatever. You would be a bit careful
0:03:33 > 0:03:39but you would listen to them.Shall we move on?I think it is a bit of a
0:03:39 > 0:03:51nonstory.Sorry! "Yes, I was a sex pest" confesses Jo Cox's husband,
0:03:51 > 0:03:57this isn't quite what he admitted... It absolutely isn't what he says. He
0:03:57 > 0:04:01is clearly deeply embarrassed. He has resigned with immediate effect
0:04:01 > 0:04:05from the two charities that he was running, set up in the wake of Jo
0:04:05 > 0:04:13Cox's murder. An astonishing tearful confession in the Daily Mail. He
0:04:13 > 0:04:17does not say that he was a sex pest. He says he knew that there were
0:04:17 > 0:04:22incidents when he was working with Safety Children that people feel
0:04:22 > 0:04:37uncomfortable and it made them feel uncomfortable. I think the story in
0:04:37 > 0:04:41itself is obviously, for him, a great fall from grace. A public
0:04:41 > 0:04:45figure with a great deal of public sympathy. He would of Jo Cox and the
0:04:45 > 0:04:51father of their two children. -- of the widow. We hear this time and
0:04:51 > 0:04:59again. When men say, it was just a bit of banter. Here, he says he
0:04:59 > 0:05:04failed to acknowledge at the time how he made people feel
0:05:04 > 0:05:07uncomfortable but he saw his behaviour as playful rather than
0:05:07 > 0:05:12predatory.It shows that years later, people can take a very
0:05:12 > 0:05:22different view?And in fairness, he takes a different view. While he
0:05:22 > 0:05:26doesn't go as far as admitting allegations made against him, what
0:05:26 > 0:05:29he is actually saying is that his behaviour was bad, he drank too
0:05:29 > 0:05:33much, some people may have felt uncomfortable cause of it. He
0:05:33 > 0:05:40regrets of that. It shows it can come back and haunt you years later.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45The statement from the Jo Cox foundation says that the board has
0:05:45 > 0:05:50accepted his resignation as a trustee, since establishing, they
0:05:50 > 0:05:54have admired the dedication that Brendan has shown to create a
0:05:54 > 0:06:04positive legacy for Jo It was established in 2016 for practical
0:06:04 > 0:06:11efforts to champion the cause is that she did. He is taking a step
0:06:11 > 0:06:15back because he does not want this to get in the way of all of that.
0:06:15 > 0:06:23Let's stay... We are moving to The Sunday Times, I beg your pardon. "No
0:06:23 > 0:06:33Screen sex, please. We are actors!" I think at this time of night, it is
0:06:33 > 0:06:42half term, it must be post-watershed... I will only read
0:06:42 > 0:06:46out the first bit. Equity are suggesting they needed a rethink
0:06:46 > 0:06:50about sex scenes, in rehearsal and protecting actors and actresses. I
0:06:50 > 0:06:54would have thought they already did that. There is a lovely thing here
0:06:54 > 0:06:57that says when Roger Moore had to film a sex scene he would apologise
0:06:57 > 0:07:02in advance to the act was involved in case she aroused him noticeably,
0:07:02 > 0:07:11which presumably means raising two eyebrows instead of one!And if you
0:07:11 > 0:07:18did not raise his eyebrows!And if nothing happened, indeed! We don't
0:07:18 > 0:07:24want to go into the details... Perhaps at 11:30pm! But they want
0:07:24 > 0:07:28safeguarding and probably a chaperone?If you have the
0:07:28 > 0:07:32safeguards they mention here, you deserve an Oscar nomination if you
0:07:32 > 0:07:37can carry them out!I thought people pretended to kiss each other, I
0:07:37 > 0:07:42didn't think they really did it.In the 1950s, the bedroom scene meant
0:07:42 > 0:07:53one that was capped on the floor -- that one foot was kept on the
0:07:53 > 0:07:59floor...There will be an intimacy director.Who could possibly apply?
0:07:59 > 0:08:03Staying with The Sunday Times... Where are we at? About seven
0:08:03 > 0:08:08minutes? Six minutes? With better crack on! Students to get cheaper
0:08:08 > 0:08:16places at University...What it appears to be the case, apparently,
0:08:16 > 0:08:20is that Damian Hines, remember the new Education Secretary, I can tell
0:08:20 > 0:08:24you what he looks like, this is his first big interview and he is
0:08:24 > 0:08:28stamping his authority because the government is going to order
0:08:28 > 0:08:33universities to offer students value for money. They will slash tuition
0:08:33 > 0:08:38fees for arts and drama and vocational courses. They are the
0:08:38 > 0:08:43ones that have expanded a lot. They are the cheapest to run and make
0:08:43 > 0:08:45universities the most money. Universities are concerned over the
0:08:45 > 0:08:49loss of money but I would have thought that kids looking at that
0:08:49 > 0:08:55and think, the tuition fees are not as high, they will be flocking to do
0:08:55 > 0:08:59these presumably not very well run courses. It doesn't make any sense
0:08:59 > 0:09:07at all.But some courses would be cheaper to run.Sue universities
0:09:07 > 0:09:14make more money?Universities should not be charging so much...If one is
0:09:14 > 0:09:255000 and another 7000... There is a lot of arguments that one needs to
0:09:25 > 0:09:29happen is to bring back the maintenance grant for poorer
0:09:29 > 0:09:33students to help with living costs. But I seriously think the government
0:09:33 > 0:09:38is going to announce a cap on fees and they will raise the level of
0:09:38 > 0:09:44income of which students have to pay.And abolish tuition fees
0:09:44 > 0:09:49entirely.And unleash a wave of new faith schools, a strange expression,
0:09:49 > 0:09:54to unleash them... And grammar schools. We have been there before.
0:09:54 > 0:09:59Let's have a look at The Observer. Shock figures revealed the dire
0:09:59 > 0:10:10state of Britain's prisons?They are shocking figures, 68% of surveyed
0:10:10 > 0:10:14prisons, they provide unsatisfactory standards. Two inside jails are an
0:10:14 > 0:10:24acceptably unsafe. -- are unsafe. We know that they are not fit for
0:10:24 > 0:10:28purpose. They had to build a lot more prisons or take some of the
0:10:28 > 0:10:3484,000 prisoners out of them, and try other forms of punishment. But
0:10:34 > 0:10:38you cannot carry on packing more people into jail the way that we are
0:10:38 > 0:10:42at the moment, and leave them in these conditions.There is little
0:10:42 > 0:10:47rehabilitation going on.And a huge problem with drugs, particularly
0:10:47 > 0:10:53psychoactive drugs and increasing levels of violence. What is most
0:10:53 > 0:10:56damning is not necessarily The Observer's and research but Lord
0:10:56 > 0:11:03Woolf, he oversaw the Strangeways enquiry after the riot in 1990. He
0:11:03 > 0:11:08says that we are in that kind of territory, back to pre-Strangeways
0:11:08 > 0:11:15Times, which is shocking.And Jeremy Corbyn is under pressure? Neil
0:11:15 > 0:11:20Kinnock appears to be applying pressure?Apparently 20,000 Labour
0:11:20 > 0:11:30members have demanded a say on Brexit and Neil Kinnock has halted
0:11:30 > 0:11:33the exit altogether. It is clear that Jeremy Corbyn will be
0:11:33 > 0:11:36confronted by some people in his Shadow Cabinet this week who want
0:11:36 > 0:11:40him to come clear on whether he wants to remain in the single market
0:11:40 > 0:11:46and the customs union. From the referendum, Jeremy Corbyn has never
0:11:46 > 0:11:51been clear about what his particular stance on Brexit is. It has been
0:11:51 > 0:11:57confusing for Labour Party members and the rest of the country.What is
0:11:57 > 0:12:03the point?Good question!No, I did not say that! Nigel, please! You
0:12:03 > 0:12:08will get me into such trouble to even imply such a thing! What is the
0:12:08 > 0:12:12point in changing their stance? Theresa May says there will be no
0:12:12 > 0:12:19second referendum but it is happening.Yes, I still think that
0:12:19 > 0:12:23there is a very small possibility that there could be. I do think it
0:12:23 > 0:12:29is unlikely. It would mean a change in public attitudes, and we would
0:12:29 > 0:12:32have to see it with people protesting or whatever. I do not
0:12:32 > 0:12:36think any of those would happen. Brexit will go ahead but there's the
0:12:36 > 0:12:39possibility that you could have a second referendum and it would have
0:12:39 > 0:12:44to be a referendum on whether we left, given the conditions we had.
0:12:44 > 0:12:49It isn't unreasonable for party to ask their leader on their position.
0:12:49 > 0:12:55There are local elections coming up...It is now perfectly clear that
0:12:55 > 0:13:01they do not have a clue. But we do have all of these speeches to come.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05They still have to go for an away day to get their position sorted
0:13:05 > 0:13:12out. And Angela Merkel is curious as to what they will come back with.
0:13:12 > 0:13:16And we all?And in the Independent...A lovely photograph.
0:13:16 > 0:13:27Lizzy Yarnold successfully defending her Winter Olympics title.And she
0:13:27 > 0:13:31looks about ten years old. It's a beautiful photograph. She has hit
0:13:31 > 0:13:43the record books, hasn't she? And she is a fan of the archers. She
0:13:43 > 0:13:51calls her tea tree Mervyn.Would you like a go?No! You need nerves of
0:13:51 > 0:14:00steel.Once you start...How do you get into it? You cannot do it
0:14:00 > 0:14:06easily.It isn't at most leisure centres!Apparently the Winter
0:14:06 > 0:14:11Olympics are very popular with children and I think it's because it
0:14:11 > 0:14:15looks like magical scenery and not like sports playing field.You don't
0:14:15 > 0:14:20normally get to see these sports. And it is great television. It is
0:14:20 > 0:14:25great to watch something like that. When you see her shooting down
0:14:25 > 0:14:33there...You the toboggan?A sleigh! With bells! And a nice and cosy rug
0:14:33 > 0:14:39to sit on. And my Father Christmas outfit.
0:14:39 > 0:14:40That's it for The Papers this hour.
0:14:40 > 0:14:42You'll both be back in an hour.
0:14:42 > 0:14:52Next it's Meet the Author.