0:00:00 > 0:00:01June Arsenal and Charlton, and Sunderland versus Manchester city. I
0:00:01 > 0:00:05am sure there would be more to add to that later on in the day, but for
0:00:05 > 0:00:16now it is time for the papers.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26With me are the journalist and broadcaster Rachel Shabi
0:00:26 > 0:00:28and the Associate Editor of the Times, Anne Ashworth.
0:00:28 > 0:00:38Let's have a look then at this mornings front pages.
0:00:38 > 0:00:40The Observer has an interview with a whistle-blower who alleges
0:00:40 > 0:00:43that information from millions of Facebook users may have been used
0:00:43 > 0:00:45by a data company, during the 2016 US presidential election.
0:00:45 > 0:00:46Both companies deny any wrongdoing.
0:00:46 > 0:01:01The Mail On Sunday says Theresa May is planning a crackdown
0:01:01 > 0:01:03on what the paper calls Putin's McMafia - associates
0:01:03 > 0:01:05of the Russian President with money in the UK.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07The Sunday Times warns that a Russian cyber-attack could turn
0:01:07 > 0:01:08the lights out in Britain.
0:01:08 > 0:01:11It reports that the National Grid is on alert.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13The Sunday Express has more on Theresa May putting
0:01:13 > 0:01:23pressure on Moscow - with a possible travel ban
0:01:23 > 0:01:24for 1,000 Russian tycoons.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27The Sunday Telegraph leads on the same story -
0:01:27 > 0:01:30as well as a photograph of a smiling Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
0:01:30 > 0:01:32at a St Patrick's Day parade of the Irish Guards.
0:01:32 > 0:01:35And the Sunday Mirror leads on the sex abuse scandal in Telford,
0:01:35 > 0:01:38quoting a police insider who says it was 'too much trouble' to crack
0:01:38 > 0:01:48down on grooming gangs.
0:01:53 > 0:02:04The mail on Sunday lead on McMafia millions. Is this the new stage
0:02:04 > 0:02:08targeting the money?It seems to be. It does seem to be a sensible thing
0:02:08 > 0:02:12to do when you think about that their lots of Russian oligarchs in
0:02:12 > 0:02:26the UK using the UK as a means of laundering some money acquired. If
0:02:26 > 0:02:29there are assets in their right to be in the UK is copper mines, then
0:02:29 > 0:02:43they will be irritated with Putin for precipitating the situation.
0:02:45 > 0:02:52Theresa May making it easier to seize these... Ways to curb that.
0:02:52 > 0:02:56These are all, I think, the right approach, but it is interesting,
0:02:56 > 0:03:00because this is exactly what Jeremy Corbyn was suggesting that we do,
0:03:00 > 0:03:04and when he did that, he was laughed at, whereas now that she was
0:03:04 > 0:03:13digesting it, she is being rightly lauded. The Conservatives actually
0:03:13 > 0:03:24sat down the Labour amendment, to discuss... But also take it further
0:03:24 > 0:03:31by leaking it to human rights violators making it easier to go
0:03:31 > 0:03:37after human rights violators. That meeting was very quickly shut down
0:03:37 > 0:03:40by the Conservative Government, it was supposed to be a three-hour
0:03:40 > 0:03:44hearing, and it was closed after half an hour. Before any of this
0:03:44 > 0:03:46happened, you had the Labour amendment trying to bring these
0:03:46 > 0:03:50measures through, and it was completely shut down.And what are
0:03:50 > 0:03:55your thoughts on this? You think that Theresa May needs to go
0:03:55 > 0:04:09further?I think the adjective church alien -- Churchillian was
0:04:09 > 0:04:13used yesterday. However, it is a very, very tricky path that they are
0:04:13 > 0:04:26trying to go down. Because, visas you can make more difficult... The
0:04:26 > 0:04:30situation is that we have already got a great deal of Russian money
0:04:30 > 0:04:33already invested in this country, and it is very difficult to see how
0:04:33 > 0:04:40we could make life so uncomfortable for these oligarchs and that they
0:04:40 > 0:04:45would turn on Putin, because many of them are not necessarily friends of
0:04:45 > 0:04:52Putin. Some of them are said to be Putin's cronies. They are not all
0:04:52 > 0:04:56Putin's cronies. What are these emergency laws? Will we have sudden
0:04:56 > 0:05:01tax rises? More tax on their properties? It is not quite clear.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05It is all in the round of rhetoric at the moment, and there is not too
0:05:05 > 0:05:16much that is concrete to hang up on. You mention Jeremy Corbyn.I think
0:05:16 > 0:05:20that Theresa May has handled this correctly. I wouldn't necessarily
0:05:20 > 0:05:25say the same thing of some of her ministers. I find some of their
0:05:25 > 0:05:28rhetoric unhelpful, bordering on childish and very and idiomatic,
0:05:28 > 0:05:31when you look at the sort of thing that Gavin Williamson and Boris
0:05:31 > 0:05:36Johnson have been saying. But, this whole week has been really appalling
0:05:36 > 0:05:41in the way that the Leader of the Opposition has been treated, I
0:05:41 > 0:05:45understand that people don't like him, and that is one thing, but some
0:05:45 > 0:05:49people, I wish they could get past that. And get a bit of accurate
0:05:49 > 0:05:54reporting.Plenty of his own backbenchers were not happy with his
0:05:54 > 0:05:58performance.And do some accurate reporting of
0:05:58 > 0:05:59performance.And do some accurate reporting of what he actually said.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02That was exactly the same as what Theresa May said. All the evidence
0:06:02 > 0:06:09base it highly likely that the Russian state was either directly or
0:06:09 > 0:06:10indirectly responsible for the Salisbury
0:06:10 > 0:06:14indirectly responsible for the Salisbury attack. All that she is
0:06:14 > 0:06:20asking for is international law. At the moment, it isn't exactly at this
0:06:20 > 0:06:25moment that we need to call ahead and say, hang on, let's slow down,
0:06:25 > 0:06:29let's follow due process. That is all he did.Beds have a quick look
0:06:29 > 0:06:34at the Sunday Telegraph would also spattered on this. A similar story,
0:06:34 > 0:06:40really. Britain to punish Putin's cronies, but they also took the
0:06:40 > 0:06:43about the possibility, leader of the Scottish Conservatives saying that
0:06:43 > 0:06:52Britain should pull the plug on Russia today.It has got a tiny
0:06:52 > 0:06:57number of viewers. What a terrible crew that would be for Putin.So you
0:06:57 > 0:07:03think that would backfire?I think we need to be very measured, here.
0:07:03 > 0:07:11Yes it would backfire. It is very interesting that most of Corbyn's
0:07:11 > 0:07:14backbenchers take a different view of him. I think people would have
0:07:14 > 0:07:19been horrified... Russian gangsters and being transported to the British
0:07:19 > 0:07:25Isles.Rachel, the Sunday Times, I suppose the threat that Russia might
0:07:25 > 0:07:29intensify might
0:07:29 > 0:07:31suppose the threat that Russia might intensify might put it up another
0:07:31 > 0:07:39notch.This one is scary, isn't it? Of course it is scary, I am not and
0:07:39 > 0:07:43nine at one second, I am just saying that it is exactly at this moment a
0:07:43 > 0:07:46time of international crisis that our values
0:07:46 > 0:07:47time of international crisis that our values and our commitment to
0:07:47 > 0:07:50international law is tested, and if these are things that we believe in,
0:07:50 > 0:07:54then this is the moment to show that we believe in them.But this is a
0:07:54 > 0:08:02suggestion that the Russians could cut our power supplies.That is
0:08:02 > 0:08:08terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. But we know... Rusher is a malign
0:08:08 > 0:08:13actor around the world with these horrifying attacks. We look at their
0:08:13 > 0:08:16support in Syria, we look at potential invitations with
0:08:16 > 0:08:19manipulating social media in order to do distort potentially election
0:08:19 > 0:08:25is both in the UK and in the US. We know that it has capacity to engage
0:08:25 > 0:08:29in this kind of cyber warfare, and the National Grid, according to the
0:08:29 > 0:08:33Sunday Times was put on alert this week by our national cyber Security
0:08:33 > 0:08:37Centre saying that you need to step up the security in case there is
0:08:37 > 0:08:42such an attack. And of course it is terrifying.It turns the Cold War
0:08:42 > 0:08:46into a cyber war. How this war will play out, we have got nothing to
0:08:46 > 0:08:50judge this by. We have seen huge amount of writing about the Cold
0:08:50 > 0:08:53War, and the lessons that we learn from that. But the lessons that we
0:08:53 > 0:08:58learned from that will not necessarily be useful in the ways in
0:08:58 > 0:09:03which Russia can attack us, through our electricity supplies. It is a
0:09:03 > 0:09:06very, very interesting one. I am sure that people have Origi started
0:09:06 > 0:09:11to write books about this one.What about the rhetoric of some of the
0:09:11 > 0:09:19politicians, you mentioned Boris Johnson. He has got a piece saying
0:09:19 > 0:09:25resisting a bully is risky, but it is right. Ie Critical of the things
0:09:25 > 0:09:30that he has been saying and what he says he?Yes, I am very critical. It
0:09:30 > 0:09:33compares very starkly with what Theresa May is saying, and I wonder
0:09:33 > 0:09:38what she has to say about this. This uses hyperbole and rhetoric.
0:09:38 > 0:09:42Ratcheting up and inflaming a situation. Look, we are dealing with
0:09:42 > 0:09:47an authoritarian ruler of a country with nuclear weapons. The last thing
0:09:47 > 0:09:52we want is this kind of language from our Foreign Secretary.But he
0:09:52 > 0:09:58is just calling it as it is. He is saying it is reckless. It is.But
0:09:58 > 0:10:03assuming that he he doesn't know any more than Theresa May knows at this
0:10:03 > 0:10:09stage, all she is saying is that the Russian state was highly likely to
0:10:09 > 0:10:15be responsible for the nerve agent. We don't know whether it is directly
0:10:15 > 0:10:20or indirectly, yet. It is incredibly reckless and dangerous and not
0:10:20 > 0:10:25diplomatic to be ratcheting things up.Just while we talk about Boris
0:10:25 > 0:10:31Johnson, we have just heard that he has said in the last few minutes,
0:10:31 > 0:10:35that experts will come to Britain on Monday tomorrow, in fact, to test
0:10:35 > 0:10:41samples of the nerve agent, so that it quite interesting.That is
0:10:41 > 0:10:47exactly what Corbyn was calling for, and was laughed at, so here we are.
0:10:47 > 0:10:51Whatever you think of him, it is a very beautifully well argued these,
0:10:51 > 0:10:58and you know, you have got to bow. He does it well.His way with words.
0:10:58 > 0:11:05You have got to... That will resonate with a lot of Sun readers
0:11:05 > 0:11:11this morning.The Observer, they have got a thing about Facebook,
0:11:11 > 0:11:20that files were taken in a record dated -- dated breach.Never do an
0:11:20 > 0:11:25online quiz. It is a way for them to harvest your information so that it
0:11:25 > 0:11:30is proved. These people that did a psychological quiz, quite
0:11:30 > 0:11:34innocently, hoping to find out more about themselves, their details were
0:11:34 > 0:11:38stolen, those of all their Facebook friends were stolen, and then used
0:11:38 > 0:11:47in programmes to... For the American election by this company, Cambridge
0:11:47 > 0:11:50analytics, in which they were supposed to have reveals people's in
0:11:50 > 0:12:00the demons in a way that... What we use and what we say, and what we
0:12:00 > 0:12:04write online, reveals more about ourselves, and it was used in the
0:12:04 > 0:12:07American election. I think this is an extraordinary story which makes
0:12:07 > 0:12:12you think, how much of this information have we already given
0:12:12 > 0:12:19away? And some of this information is said to be still the sale on the
0:12:19 > 0:12:25Web.Rachel, are you careful what you put on this the? Are you on
0:12:25 > 0:12:29Facebook?I try to be. This is an incredible is the port. It is in the
0:12:29 > 0:12:37Observer as well as the New York Times. They both have is
0:12:37 > 0:12:41whistle-blower, that is what makes it so strong. He was one of the
0:12:41 > 0:12:48founders of Cambridge analytics, and at that time they were approached by
0:12:48 > 0:12:57a tram supporter, Robert Mercer and Stephen Bannon, who was trumped's --
0:12:57 > 0:13:02Trump's key adviser at the time. They had to devise this means
0:13:02 > 0:13:05targeting people for political campaigning online, using
0:13:05 > 0:13:08psychological profiles, and they didn't at that time have that model,
0:13:08 > 0:13:16and that is when they decided to exploit Facebook quote, to harvest
0:13:16 > 0:13:1950 million profiles. They will use without those people knowing that
0:13:19 > 0:13:24that was going to happen. I do think... Facebook of course there's
0:13:24 > 0:13:28that this was not really a breach, because the researchers to open the
0:13:28 > 0:13:36floodgates in this way did so "In a legitimate way and in the proper
0:13:36 > 0:13:40channels"...Would anybody's information whose was used in this
0:13:40 > 0:13:46way regarded as through the proper channels. We have gotten very tough
0:13:46 > 0:13:48data protection rules in this country which are being toughened up
0:13:48 > 0:13:56again. It seems that silicon valley people seem to operate outside that
0:13:56 > 0:14:00key regulation. I have got lots of younger friends who are coming off
0:14:00 > 0:14:05Facebook because they want to retain some privacy. I just wonder whether
0:14:05 > 0:14:10this would be the moment... The access changes, and we start to
0:14:10 > 0:14:17become distrustful of social media, rather than happy to commit to it,
0:14:17 > 0:14:20all our innermost secrets, financial, personal and otherwise.I
0:14:20 > 0:14:29think that is right.There is a lot of good faith, here. Facebook has
0:14:29 > 0:14:33suspended its links with the cable company. Although it is said that
0:14:33 > 0:14:38they knew about it two years ago. OK, all right. Great front-page
0:14:38 > 0:14:44story, but am afraid we have run out of time. Good to have you both with
0:14:44 > 0:14:47us. That is it for the Sunday papers this morning.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online
0:14:50 > 0:14:51on the BBC News website.
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0:15:00 > 0:15:02Thank you Rachel Shabi and Anne Ashworth.
0:15:02 > 0:15:12Goodbye.