:00:03. > :00:09.its second phase: Examining the relationship between the police and
:00:09. > :00:18.the press. There are examining a network of corrupt officials, not
:00:18. > :00:22.just in the police force but across all facets of public life. When you
:00:22. > :00:27.know that someone in your police service has held you down the line,
:00:27. > :00:37.it is very hopeful. It is time to call in all those bottles of
:00:37. > :00:41.
:00:41. > :00:46.champagne. -- it is very hurtful. In public we see journalists trying
:00:46. > :00:50.to get stories and police trying to keep them in order. But what really
:00:50. > :00:57.goes on between those who enforce the law and those who report on
:00:57. > :01:05.him? It is Justice Leveson's job to find out as you open the second
:01:05. > :01:12.part of his inquiry. On day 41, the focus on what police deed and did
:01:12. > :01:17.not do about firm backing. Public concern may be expressed in one
:01:17. > :01:23.sentence. The relationship between the police, the media and News
:01:23. > :01:33.International in particular was at best in appropriate very close. And
:01:33. > :01:36.
:01:36. > :01:39.was very close to being corrupt. Someone told Rebekah Brooks about
:01:39. > :01:46.the investigation into phone hacking while it was already going
:01:46. > :01:52.on. A hint that the hacking may not have been limited to one rogue
:01:52. > :01:59.reporter, as the newspaper claimed. All these just one day after the
:01:59. > :02:03.launch of a Sunday edition of The Sun. A police officer was heeding
:02:03. > :02:10.an investigation into payments to what she called a network of
:02:10. > :02:16.corrupted officials. There appears to have been a culture at the Sun'
:02:16. > :02:21.of illegal payments and systems to facilitate them while hiding the
:02:21. > :02:28.identity of the officials receiving the money. E-mails indicate that
:02:28. > :02:33.payments to sources were openly referred to. The sauce is not named
:02:33. > :02:41.but rather a category of public officials is that ended for it.
:02:41. > :02:47.There is also Annan indication of her leading cash payments to
:02:47. > :02:54.sources by making them out to a friend or relative of the source.
:02:54. > :02:58.We arrest of an individual who had acted as a conduit. She spelled out
:02:58. > :03:04.hurt allegations in the sort of detail you would not usually here
:03:04. > :03:11.until the opening of a criminal trial. This was not about buying a
:03:11. > :03:15.policeman drinks for a dinner but much more significant. Multiple
:03:15. > :03:22.payments had been made to individuals amounting to thousands
:03:22. > :03:29.of pounds. In one case over several years this amounted to in excess of
:03:29. > :03:35.�80,000. Them and he is also a mention in some e-mails of public
:03:35. > :03:41.officials being placed on retainers. One of the arrested journalists has
:03:41. > :03:47.over several years received over one month and �50,000 in cash to
:03:47. > :03:52.pay his sources, a number of him were public officials. The Met are
:03:52. > :04:02.accused of being less vigorous when they prosecuted the private
:04:02. > :04:08.
:04:08. > :04:15.detective Glenn -- Glenn Mulcaire here. Eight print-out from the
:04:15. > :04:22.Glenn Mulcaire's computer when shown to somebody working on the
:04:22. > :04:28.witness protection programme. It appeared to that officer and to the
:04:28. > :04:34.sergeant working on the phone hacking investigation that it
:04:34. > :04:38.included details of people under the witness protection programme.
:04:38. > :04:43.People are their only put into the witness protection programme when
:04:43. > :04:50.police believe their lives are at risk. Therefore, for this
:04:50. > :04:57.information to be in the hands of Glenn Mulcaire and by implication
:04:57. > :05:03.News of the World, that is clearly worrying. Another man who see Ched
:05:03. > :05:08.in the files of Glenn Mulcaire. The Deputy Prime Minister had his
:05:08. > :05:13.extra-marital affair exposed. Leyte he tried to find out whether Glenn
:05:13. > :05:20.Mulcaire had targeted him and he said he got this response from the
:05:20. > :05:25.senior Met Office said John Yates. On he said there was no evidence
:05:25. > :05:30.against me at all for phone-tapping. He rang me and told me he was doing
:05:30. > :05:36.a press conference saying that there was no evidence. I thought it
:05:36. > :05:41.was unusual but I accepted it. I asked him to put it in writing and
:05:41. > :05:45.it took him several weeks and another reminder to do so.
:05:45. > :05:53.barrister for the enquiry it quoted from a police letter about the
:05:53. > :06:01.notice of Glenn Mulcaire. The name Prescott appears on tomb' tax
:06:01. > :06:09.invoices which we believe our News of the World to Glenn Mulcaire's
:06:09. > :06:16.company. Later it emerged that News International had instructions on
:06:16. > :06:26.how to listen to messages on the telephone of the personal assistant.
:06:26. > :06:26.
:06:26. > :06:31.Why didn't they do more with the information they had at the time?
:06:31. > :06:37.These are highly paid, highly intelligent people. I think there
:06:37. > :06:42.is a conspiracy of silence to hide the facts. On day 42 per another
:06:42. > :06:52.politician he became a tabloid target. This time when he ran to
:06:52. > :06:59.
:06:59. > :07:07.become leader of the Lib Dems.. The sun had telephone records showing
:07:07. > :07:10.that Simon Hughes had called a day chat line. There were revelations
:07:10. > :07:19.that he had had sexual relationships with women and men,
:07:19. > :07:29.and he feels that it had an impact on his political career. I went
:07:29. > :07:35.from being the favourite to not winning. Police told it Simon
:07:35. > :07:44.Hughes he had appeared in Glenn Mulcaire's notebook in 2006. The
:07:44. > :07:51.full details only came out much later. They did not do say that he
:07:51. > :07:59.had my private phone number at home. When Glenn Mulcaire was prosecuted,
:07:59. > :08:05.much was not shared with the court. On the fact that the court did not
:08:05. > :08:15.have before it information that was known to their police, Rebekah Wade,
:08:15. > :08:16.
:08:16. > :08:24.Andy Coulson is a serious failure which meant that the court was
:08:24. > :08:33.asked to do a job on the basis of in complete evidence.
:08:33. > :08:37.This woman was known to the police after she appeared on Crimewatch.
:08:37. > :08:47.She found herself and her family it under surveillance by News of the
:08:47. > :08:49.
:08:49. > :08:51.World. Rebekah Brooks was asked why. She said we were under surveillance
:08:51. > :09:00.because they were investigating suspicion that you were having an
:09:00. > :09:05.affair with each other. Being as kind as I can I cannot think of why
:09:05. > :09:13.that would be a valid reason for putting asunder surveillance. It
:09:13. > :09:16.does not add up and is absolutely pathetic. The real reason is that
:09:17. > :09:21.he suspects in the murder inquiry were using their relationship with
:09:21. > :09:29.News of the World to intimidate herself and her husband and to
:09:29. > :09:36.subvert the investigation. I think any reasonable person would find it
:09:36. > :09:40.difficult not to put those facts together and reach the conclusion
:09:40. > :09:50.that there was some connection between the murder of Daniel Morgan
:09:50. > :09:57.and News of the World. Information she felt could only have been
:09:57. > :10:07.leaked from the Metropolitan Police. I loved being a police officer and
:10:07. > :10:14.
:10:14. > :10:18.I was extremely proud. Although I was aware of corruption and
:10:18. > :10:26.malpractice, When you know that someone in your family, the police
:10:26. > :10:30.service, has sold to down the line, it is very hurtful and very painful.
:10:30. > :10:37.Christopher Jefferies was an innocent man arrested in a murder
:10:37. > :10:47.investigation and then vilified in the press. They were convicted of
:10:47. > :10:54.
:10:54. > :10:58.libel and had to make recompense. Appealing for a second time,
:10:58. > :11:07.Christopher Jefferies said he suspected tip-offs there may have
:11:07. > :11:12.started just after he volunteered to a second witness statement.
:11:12. > :11:17.Sky News team were very keen to speak to me. Reporters and
:11:17. > :11:23.photographers came to the address where I lived. They had somehow
:11:23. > :11:29.heard about the content of that second witness statement. Once he
:11:29. > :11:38.was arrested, he thought the police used allegations about him in the
:11:38. > :11:42.media to guide their questions. legal counsel said he had been
:11:42. > :11:49.puzzled by a certain lines of questioning and then discovered
:11:49. > :11:56.they had been taking from gossip and allegations which had been
:11:57. > :12:05.appearing in the press. Their chief constable at Avon and Somerset
:12:05. > :12:08.police challenge as the Marounne's evidence. One Guardian journalist
:12:08. > :12:16.responsible for allegations said that some police officers face the
:12:16. > :12:21.threat of jail for talking to reporters without permission.
:12:21. > :12:28.officers have been arrested and bailed, told they will be charged
:12:28. > :12:33.with misconduct in a public office. To the best of my knowledge there
:12:33. > :12:39.manky is no allegation of any kind of pride or inducement. No
:12:39. > :12:44.allegation of the kind of harm I am talking about behind boundaries of
:12:44. > :12:49.interfering with an ongoing inquiry. The offices are being told, you
:12:49. > :12:57.will be charged and you can expect a term of up to 18 months because
:12:57. > :13:06.you have spoken to a reporter without permission. As this enquiry
:13:06. > :13:11.considered where bears the police and News of the World were to close,
:13:11. > :13:20.it became evident that Rebekah Brooks was given a retired police
:13:20. > :13:30.racecourse. That was before the Prime Minister was asked about the
:13:30. > :13:33.
:13:33. > :13:38.walls in the unlikely setting of a One of them was the former police
:13:38. > :13:47.horse which I did bride. I am sorry to hear the horse is no longer with
:13:47. > :13:57.us. -- I did ride. I will not be getting back in the saddle any time
:13:57. > :13:59.
:14:00. > :14:03.soon. On day three, it was argued that with only -- over 70
:14:03. > :14:07.operations on the go, they did not spend too much time on phone
:14:07. > :14:12.hacking. If we take this forward to a final prosecution and it gets
:14:12. > :14:22.played out in court, given the fact that we are under huge pressure in
:14:22. > :14:29.terms of our operations, how is it right that the anti-terrorist
:14:29. > :14:35.branch is invest -- investigating resources to something that is not
:14:35. > :14:45.terrorism. When they do go looking for more information, they met
:14:45. > :14:45.
:14:45. > :14:50.stiff resistance. There was difficulty in conducting the search
:14:50. > :14:54.at News International. Four of my officers got into the premises
:14:54. > :14:59.before News International barred the rest of my officers from going
:15:00. > :15:07.into News International. The officers were refused entry and
:15:07. > :15:14.were left outside. Our officers were surrounded and not assisted in
:15:14. > :15:19.any way. That search was curtailed. It did not go to the extent I
:15:19. > :15:25.wanted it to. One officer was concerned that news it -- News of
:15:25. > :15:28.the World staff may offer of violence. But News International
:15:28. > :15:36.hold there was no question of anything like that. There was a
:15:36. > :15:40.major development where it said James Murdoch stepped down from
:15:40. > :15:45.News International so he could spend more time working on News
:15:45. > :15:50.Corporation's television business. His father remains in control. On
:15:50. > :15:55.day 44, the senior man of the net would make the key decisions that
:15:55. > :16:02.mattered. He made them at first in the shadow of terrorism. -- the Met
:16:02. > :16:07.Police. As the senior officer who decided not to widen its target
:16:07. > :16:17.beyond one News of the World reporter, resources were stretched
:16:17. > :16:17.
:16:17. > :16:23.as they dealt with more plots. you take one operation, we had many
:16:23. > :16:26.surveillance teams allocated to the investigation. We used every single
:16:26. > :16:32.surveillance team in London and most of those in the area around
:16:32. > :16:37.London. That meant other serious crime was not being investigated.
:16:37. > :16:43.Pressures like that played a big part in the call not to investigate
:16:43. > :16:49.any more journalists. This decision was not even close. Not because of
:16:49. > :16:53.the quality of the evidence, not because of the strategy, but
:16:53. > :16:57.because I am coping with 70 terrorist operations of the
:16:57. > :17:01.monumental scale in which you have described. So although in a
:17:01. > :17:11.different world and a different time I might have liked to this, at
:17:11. > :17:12.
:17:12. > :17:19.that time, at that place, this was not close. Now, that is a line that
:17:19. > :17:29.you could take in which case this today it is utterly irrelevant. But
:17:29. > :17:36.is that right? It is very close to being absolutely spot on. Whether
:17:37. > :17:41.there was circumstantial evidence against journalists, it is a wider
:17:41. > :17:48.consideration in comparison with the consideration of what poses a
:17:48. > :17:52.threat to the lives of the British public. -- minor consideration. At
:17:53. > :17:57.times it can be illegal and very distressing. But they do not kill
:17:57. > :18:01.you. The Home Office received a brief -- brief from the neck on
:18:01. > :18:04.phone hacking. There were questions about the investigation but even
:18:04. > :18:11.that conversation happened at the margins of the meeting about
:18:11. > :18:15.another terror plot. When the about phone hacking in 2009, it
:18:15. > :18:24.fell to this man, John Yates, to look again at the issue and
:18:24. > :18:34.establish the facts. The story led to his resignation. When he gave
:18:34. > :18:35.
:18:35. > :18:43.evidence via video link, the inquiry heard a friend of John
:18:44. > :18:53.Yates was given information. John Yates needed an exclusive/lime so
:18:53. > :19:00.he called in all those bottles of champagne. -- splash line. One
:19:00. > :19:10.interpretation is you were providing bottles of champagne and
:19:10. > :19:12.
:19:12. > :19:21.it was time to call in a favour. You can see the point. Firstly, it
:19:22. > :19:31.is not my e-mail. It is a turn of phrase. By October her throat --
:19:32. > :19:33.
:19:33. > :19:36.20th October 10, the favours were never called him. The news of the
:19:37. > :19:41.world's deputy editor was also a friend of John Yates. They were
:19:42. > :19:47.friends and went to football matches together. He later worked
:19:47. > :19:51.as a PR consultant at Scotland Yard. But John Yates was clear that not
:19:51. > :19:55.be influenced him and he decided to take no further action on phone
:19:56. > :20:00.hacking. The inquiry said that decision was made in just six hours.
:20:00. > :20:09.This is a simple exercise. One of the number of exercises that the
:20:09. > :20:14.commissioner deputy would ask me to do regularly. It was an article in
:20:14. > :20:18.the newspaper. The fact that I cleared my diary and do something
:20:18. > :20:26.relatively formal around this, recognising some of the challenges,
:20:26. > :20:32.is actually different there many times you do it. It was an article
:20:32. > :20:38.in a newspaper. Events may look different but give me the credit,
:20:38. > :20:45.that is what it was. Like John Yates, Andy Hayman was a key figure
:20:45. > :20:55.who was responsible for the original investigation into phone
:20:55. > :21:03.
:21:03. > :21:09.hanging. John Yates' socialising came under scrutiny. You paid for
:21:09. > :21:19.�566 of which just over �100 was spent on alcohol. That was on your
:21:19. > :21:24.
:21:24. > :21:31.IMAX -- Amex card. I took employees who worked their socks off and do
:21:31. > :21:41.not take holidays. I do that as a gesture of gratitude. Once again,
:21:41. > :21:51.the subject of shampoo it -- champagne came up. It was a crime
:21:51. > :21:57.
:21:57. > :22:03.reporter's business dinner. It started in a wine bar and just
:22:03. > :22:08.before 10pm, is bent �47 on a bottle of champagne on your card. -
:22:08. > :22:12.- you spent. When asked about it, you said you were called it was a
:22:12. > :22:16.crime reporter's Association representative possibly from News
:22:16. > :22:23.of the World. It could have been a figure whose name you did not know.
:22:23. > :22:32.Is that correct? The only thing I ca cat is that it was not a
:22:32. > :22:42.function or dinner. I cannot I said in interview, I will rely on
:22:42. > :22:42.
:22:43. > :22:48.that representative might have been, could it have been Lucy Panton or
:22:48. > :22:55.possibly Rebekah Brooks? I cannot remember. A few months after his
:22:55. > :23:00.retirement, he got a contract with the times. A paper published again
:23:00. > :23:10.by News International. I do not make the connection that I was
:23:10. > :23:17.
:23:17. > :23:22.embarking... That I was still part of the use of the world. All of the
:23:22. > :23:27.senior officers who gave evidence decisions they made. All of them