02/10/2011

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0:00:34 > 0:00:37And in the North West: as the unions prepare to march in

0:00:37 > 0:00:39Manchester, we look at the wave of industrial unrest sweeping the

0:00:39 > 0:00:42region. And, life on the straight and

0:00:42 > 0:00:52narrow. How to persuade former offenders to give up a life of

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0:00:52 > 0:36:39Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2147 seconds

0:36:39 > 0:36:41Welcome to the Politics Show in the North West.

0:36:42 > 0:36:44In this show, we examine the industrial unrest sweeping the

0:36:44 > 0:36:48region. Are workers' rights under attack?

0:36:48 > 0:36:57And life on the straight and narrow. How to persuade former offenders to

0:36:57 > 0:37:01give up a life of crime. The last of the big three party

0:37:01 > 0:37:04conferences starts today, the Conservatives here in Manchester.

0:37:04 > 0:37:14If you look out there, you can see them getting ready for the opening

0:37:14 > 0:37:16

0:37:16 > 0:37:24in just over an hour's time. You also see some protesters gathering

0:37:24 > 0:37:26down there. Tens of thousands of people are assembling for the TUC's

0:37:26 > 0:37:30march for the alternative. They are protesting against Government cuts

0:37:30 > 0:37:33and job losses and in support of public sector workers. With me to

0:37:33 > 0:37:40discuss that is commentator and our former Political Editor, Jim

0:37:40 > 0:37:46Hancock. Is there a threat that this protest is going to overshadow

0:37:46 > 0:37:51the starter of the conference? will be the dominating factor today.

0:37:51 > 0:37:56David Cameron will have to try to reassure people across the country

0:37:56 > 0:38:00that there is some way forward. North-west Conservatives I have

0:38:00 > 0:38:06spoken to have said the around clear what the economic growth

0:38:06 > 0:38:15strategy is. It reminds me of 1980s. Margaret Thatcher had started to

0:38:15 > 0:38:23make cuts and said that he was not for turning. He must distance

0:38:23 > 0:38:27himself from the Lib Dems. A lot of the Tories here will think that

0:38:27 > 0:38:35there has been too much of a lover in. Some populist policies had been

0:38:35 > 0:38:43announced in the last week? Eric Pickles found some money from

0:38:43 > 0:38:51behind his rather large sofa to keep weekly bin collections. Also,

0:38:51 > 0:38:55at 80 mph speed limits. On the motorway this morning, it looked to

0:38:55 > 0:38:58me that some motorists were not waiting for the consultation.

0:38:58 > 0:39:00Let's join Arif now who's down there in the conference area.

0:39:00 > 0:39:03As we saw there, 30,000 people preparing to march around this

0:39:03 > 0:39:10conference area, protesting against what Unite have called the

0:39:10 > 0:39:13Government's economic kamikaze mission. Across the North West,

0:39:13 > 0:39:20there is a sense that the temperature is rising as we face

0:39:20 > 0:39:23the prospect of that dreaded, double dip recession. But are we

0:39:23 > 0:39:25really all in it together? Unions now say employers are taking

0:39:26 > 0:39:35advantage of the economic climate to push through changes in working

0:39:36 > 0:39:39

0:39:39 > 0:39:43practices which push back hard won rights. Here's Jayne Barrett.

0:39:43 > 0:39:48One out, all out. History shows with economic crisis

0:39:48 > 0:39:51comes conflict. Barely out of recession, this week there are

0:39:51 > 0:40:00predictions we're about to slip back in. Across the North West,

0:40:00 > 0:40:03workers are gearing up for another fight. The employers have turned

0:40:03 > 0:40:13round and said, sign or be sacked. There's no alternative. Well, there

0:40:13 > 0:40:15

0:40:15 > 0:40:18is an alternative. Don't sign and fight back. At a building site in

0:40:18 > 0:40:20Liverpool, they say they're fighting the biggest threat to the

0:40:20 > 0:40:23construction industry in a lifetime. Big businesses are rewriting long

0:40:23 > 0:40:26standing agreements. They say it's because multiskilling is now an

0:40:26 > 0:40:28essential part of the job. A job that's changed dramatically since

0:40:28 > 0:40:31agreements were signed. Unions say it's about pay cuts and deskilling.

0:40:31 > 0:40:34Workers are reluctant to go on camera. Totally deskill the

0:40:34 > 0:40:38industry and make it more difficult to obtain work for wages which will

0:40:38 > 0:40:41be practically unaffordable to live on if you were to bring up a family

0:40:41 > 0:40:44and have a mortgage. I've just spoken to a group of lads who

0:40:44 > 0:40:48didn't want to go on camera. They believe their wages will reduce by

0:40:48 > 0:40:55�2 to �3 an hour if these changes go ahead. They've just joined the

0:40:56 > 0:41:01union. But the context to this is that union membership has been in

0:41:01 > 0:41:04steady decline. Since 1978 it has halved. I would argue that what

0:41:04 > 0:41:06we're seeing now is a consequence of falling union membership. It's

0:41:07 > 0:41:10emboldened the employer to think that there's no protection for

0:41:10 > 0:41:13workers. The motto at the start of the downturn, we're all in this

0:41:13 > 0:41:19together. A CBI survey found 60% of employers were changing terms and

0:41:19 > 0:41:22conditions to help cope. For 55% this meant pay freezes. That's

0:41:22 > 0:41:29exactly what happened here at this factory in Oldham where they make

0:41:29 > 0:41:32posh cakes for Marks and Spencer. At the time the CBI heralded this

0:41:32 > 0:41:37as a new era of understanding where bosses and staff together shared

0:41:37 > 0:41:47the inevitable pain of the economic down turn. But two years on, staff

0:41:47 > 0:41:49

0:41:49 > 0:41:52here don't feel they've shared the pain at all. The eight directors

0:41:52 > 0:41:56have each taken a 10.6% pay increase when staff took a freeze.

0:41:56 > 0:41:59If the pain has to be felt, it has to be shared across the work force

0:41:59 > 0:42:05and the bosses. Staff might feel let down, but powerless. No-one

0:42:05 > 0:42:07wants to say owt. There's two different agencies in there say

0:42:07 > 0:42:10something and they'll just get another agency lad in. And what

0:42:10 > 0:42:13about agency staff? Yesterday new regulations were brought in to

0:42:13 > 0:42:15protect them to bring their wages in line with regular contracts.

0:42:15 > 0:42:18Except here at Park Cakes they won't match the regular contract,

0:42:18 > 0:42:22but a brand new one, just introduced, known as a zero hour

0:42:22 > 0:42:26contract. Which means that these people, with 24 hour notice, can

0:42:26 > 0:42:30have their working week reduced. The majority will be on minimum

0:42:30 > 0:42:33wage with no sick pay. The company said it consulted with the unions

0:42:34 > 0:42:38over the new contract but couldn't reach an agreement. As for the pay

0:42:38 > 0:42:48freeze, they didn't want to comment. This academic sees a union movement

0:42:48 > 0:42:49

0:42:49 > 0:42:52which is slowly revitalising. But it's shackled by the system.

0:42:52 > 0:42:54problem trade unions face is how do you construct a common dialogue on

0:42:54 > 0:42:58a very difficult recession and a very difficult restructuring when

0:42:58 > 0:43:04we don't have the same kind of rights that German unions have or

0:43:04 > 0:43:07Swedish unions have? And part of the problem is this government and

0:43:07 > 0:43:10part of the problem is what the previous Labour government did not

0:43:10 > 0:43:18deepen those collective trade union rights. David Cameron wants to

0:43:18 > 0:43:22raise the threshold to strike. believe it was a mistake for

0:43:22 > 0:43:25strikes to happen last summer. seems unions don't even have a

0:43:25 > 0:43:29friend in Ed Miliband. For staff, their only real friend is a job.

0:43:29 > 0:43:32They'll ballot for strike action here next week. Most I spoke too

0:43:32 > 0:43:36don't want to walk, they just want to work. Someone said to me they've

0:43:36 > 0:43:41got you by your short and curlies? Yeah, Catch 22. Take the wages and

0:43:41 > 0:43:44stay, or if you don't like it find another job.

0:43:44 > 0:43:53Well, with me now is the Chancellor for the Exchequer and Tatton MP

0:43:53 > 0:43:58George Osborne. Thank you for talking to us today. As we know,

0:43:58 > 0:44:02thousands of people are preparing to march today against the

0:44:02 > 0:44:07Government's economic strategy. What is your message to them?

0:44:07 > 0:44:12of all, Manchester has been incredibly well combined for the

0:44:12 > 0:44:17Conservative conference. What I would say to people marching today,

0:44:17 > 0:44:23of course it is your democratic right to march, but in the end

0:44:23 > 0:44:27Martin will not help this economy move forward. To union bosses, I

0:44:27 > 0:44:32would say this. Planning to go on strike at a time like this when

0:44:32 > 0:44:37Britain faces the globe -- global economic debt storm that others are

0:44:37 > 0:44:45facing, striking at a time like this will cost jobs, hit growth and

0:44:45 > 0:44:49I think is irresponsible. What is the alternative? There is a global

0:44:49 > 0:44:55debt storm. The French, German and American economy have ground to a

0:44:55 > 0:44:59halt. In Britain, we have got ahead of the curve and are taking

0:44:59 > 0:45:04difficult decisions, keeping interest rates down. I know it is

0:45:04 > 0:45:08tough for people out there. It is tough throughout the world. The

0:45:08 > 0:45:13decisions we have taken in Britain have given us the best chance of

0:45:13 > 0:45:19weathering the storm. When you have taken decisions which directly

0:45:19 > 0:45:22result in people losing their jobs, how do you feel? The decisions that

0:45:22 > 0:45:27the Government are taking are trying to protect jobs in Britain.

0:45:27 > 0:45:34We're trying to avoid what has happened in other countries. Look

0:45:34 > 0:45:37at Greece, Italy, Spain. You can see in America that there is higher

0:45:38 > 0:45:41unemployment. In Britain, where taking tough but necessary

0:45:41 > 0:45:50decisions to try to get unemployment down, get investment

0:45:50 > 0:45:55into jobs. Today, we have announced that we plan to create 400,000 new

0:45:55 > 0:46:01jobs for building new jobs for families. We're investing in jobs

0:46:01 > 0:46:06and a future. As there are cuts in public sector spending and those

0:46:06 > 0:46:10jobs go, then people are losing their jobs. Look, the Government

0:46:10 > 0:46:15over the last 10 years, the previous government, borrowed too

0:46:15 > 0:46:19much. We RN at debt crisis. We had the highest budget deficit of all

0:46:19 > 0:46:22the countries in the world. How do you personally feel when you know

0:46:22 > 0:46:28that cutting back on those things results in people losing their

0:46:28 > 0:46:35jobs? Of course every job that is lost is a matter of regret, but I

0:46:35 > 0:46:39am working flat out to create jobs. There are 500,000 jobs created in

0:46:39 > 0:46:43the private sector over one year. If you go on another borrowing

0:46:43 > 0:46:47spree, the interest rates will go up and that will hit every family

0:46:47 > 0:46:52with a mortgage, every business in the region who will have to lay

0:46:52 > 0:46:58people off. That is why we're doing the tough things we're doing. In a

0:46:58 > 0:47:03debt storm, you have to deal with your debts. People may all that.

0:47:03 > 0:47:11the Labour conference last week, Ed Miliband accused the Government of

0:47:11 > 0:47:16selling BAE Systems workers' jobs down the river. He was the economic

0:47:16 > 0:47:22adviser along with Ed Balls who got the country into this mess. Some

0:47:22 > 0:47:27silence from him would be appreciated. Specifically, the BAE

0:47:27 > 0:47:32Systems jobs, we're doing everything we can to create new

0:47:32 > 0:47:40jobs on our existing sites. One we will get new companies into those

0:47:40 > 0:47:46jobs site so -- those sites. They have lost their jobs because

0:47:46 > 0:47:50countries around the world have been cutting their defence budgets.

0:47:50 > 0:47:55We will be creating jobs on those same site for some of the most

0:47:55 > 0:48:05talented and highly skilled people in our country. What will it mean,

0:48:05 > 0:48:11having an enterprise zone? We will draw up an area of land to get our

0:48:11 > 0:48:18rates holiday for any company that moves there. Local area will get

0:48:18 > 0:48:22the benefits of some of the taxes that are raised. We have

0:48:22 > 0:48:26potentially several thousand people have lost their jobs across the

0:48:26 > 0:48:30site belonging to BAE Systems. We want to find new business they is

0:48:30 > 0:48:33to take them on. Are you worried when people on your own side are

0:48:33 > 0:48:39saying that there simply isn't a good enough growth strategy in

0:48:39 > 0:48:44place? Of course, we understand that this country has to work hard

0:48:44 > 0:48:47to create more jobs. That is why we have announced the enterprise zone

0:48:47 > 0:48:52in Lancashire today. That is why we have announced plans for hundreds

0:48:52 > 0:48:56of thousands of new jobs in the construction sector. Yesterday, we

0:48:56 > 0:48:59announced plans to make it easier to hire young people. We're doing

0:48:59 > 0:49:05everything we can to get this country working and make Britain

0:49:05 > 0:49:12open for business to weather the storm of the economic global debt

0:49:12 > 0:49:17crisis. Thank you very much. Back to you.

0:49:17 > 0:49:23And still joined by Jim Hancock. Major announcement there on and

0:49:23 > 0:49:33into Brighstone? Lancashire took a long time to get the Enterprise

0:49:33 > 0:49:34

0:49:34 > 0:49:43Partnership sorted. It should not be over emphasised what these

0:49:43 > 0:49:48enterprise zones can do. George Osborne has not said anything about

0:49:48 > 0:49:56cutting the 50p tax rate. I don't think we will hear that today.

0:49:56 > 0:49:59man is not for turning! -- the man. Now, seven weeks ago Manchester was

0:49:59 > 0:50:02one of several cities across the UK, including Liverpool and Salford,

0:50:02 > 0:50:04which erupted in riots. When the Justice Secretary Ken Clarke

0:50:04 > 0:50:07revealed that 75% of those convicted of taking part had

0:50:07 > 0:50:11previous convictions, it added fuel to a debate which has been going on

0:50:11 > 0:50:14for some time on how to pull repeat offenders out of a life of crime.

0:50:14 > 0:50:17Last year, the Government unveiled a Green Paper aimed at helping

0:50:18 > 0:50:23criminals to go straight. One of the first pilots is across Greater

0:50:23 > 0:50:27Manchester. But can it be done? Elaine Dunkley reports.

0:50:27 > 0:50:35It's meant be a deterrent but for many prison has become a way off

0:50:35 > 0:50:39life. This is John. He's been in prison nine times and spent 16

0:50:39 > 0:50:43years of his life behind bars. But things have changed. He's now got a

0:50:43 > 0:50:48paid job as a supervisor with the Blue Sky Project. But shaking off

0:50:48 > 0:50:52the label of convicted criminal isn't easy. Once you have been

0:50:52 > 0:50:56inside, you think you have no choice but to carry on committing

0:50:56 > 0:51:00crime. It is not for the lack of trying to get a job, it is just

0:51:00 > 0:51:05that no one will give you the chance. The blue-sky project has

0:51:05 > 0:51:09and it has worked for me. I wanted to change. Luckily, I got the

0:51:09 > 0:51:11chance. The Blue Sky project offers training and competes for

0:51:12 > 0:51:15commercial gardening contracts. It's helped 500 people like John.

0:51:15 > 0:51:20The only thing you need to get a job with this firm is a criminal

0:51:20 > 0:51:25record. There are all sorts of reasons why people reoffend. If

0:51:25 > 0:51:30people want to get out of the cycle of crime, it is hard for them to

0:51:30 > 0:51:36get a chance. People label them and they have preconceptions. Loose

0:51:36 > 0:51:41guide proves that people can change, they can be good employees and turn

0:51:41 > 0:51:44their lives around. Rather than becoming costly members of society,

0:51:44 > 0:51:47they will become taxpayer has. government's green paper called

0:51:47 > 0:51:50Breaking the Cycle Effective Punishment places less emphasis on

0:51:50 > 0:51:52locking people up repeatedly and more on giving people the skills to

0:51:52 > 0:51:56cope with life whilst in prison. At Strangeways, rehabilitation and

0:51:56 > 0:52:01honest graft seems to be working. Some inmates are already doing 40

0:52:01 > 0:52:07hours a week in the laundry and other workshops. The prison has

0:52:07 > 0:52:12managed to cut reoffending rates by one third. Inmates on short

0:52:12 > 0:52:15sentences are giving -- given mentoring to help them cope with

0:52:16 > 0:52:18life on the outside. With the prison population at an all-time

0:52:18 > 0:52:21high, perhaps it's time to think outside the box. Greater Manchester

0:52:22 > 0:52:26Police is trialling a new scheme. If they can cut re offending rates,

0:52:26 > 0:52:32they get cash back from the government. A lot of it is repeat

0:52:32 > 0:52:37business. The same offenders time and time again. It is a huge part

0:52:37 > 0:52:42of the workload for social services and the police. If we can work

0:52:42 > 0:52:48closer together on long-term programmes, that will reduce crime

0:52:48 > 0:52:52and help the public. We have to come up with alternatives to short

0:52:52 > 0:53:01prison sentences, but it is not easy. It is about giving people an

0:53:01 > 0:53:04offer to help them with their project. -- problem. This youth

0:53:04 > 0:53:06centre in Whythenshaw has been tackling gang culture for over 15

0:53:06 > 0:53:09years. Their concern is that not enough's being done to stop

0:53:09 > 0:53:12youngsters getting into the prison system in the first place. If you

0:53:12 > 0:53:18ask a councillor, they will tell you quite confidently that lots is

0:53:18 > 0:53:23being done. And there is. What is being done on estates like this.

0:53:23 > 0:53:27Youth clubs, youth provision. The problem is it is only attracting a

0:53:27 > 0:53:32certain level of youth. Unfortunately, they're not

0:53:32 > 0:53:36stretching themselves to bring in the kids that do want to be part of

0:53:36 > 0:53:41street gangs and out there that are carrying knives and have access to

0:53:41 > 0:53:49guns. The government say the measures it is introducing aren't

0:53:49 > 0:53:55about being soft but drawing a hard line under the cycle of crime.

0:53:55 > 0:54:01I am joined by Paul Maynard, a local MP. If you want to keep

0:54:01 > 0:54:05people out of prison, cutting youth centres is not the way to go.

0:54:05 > 0:54:10point. If you want to stop people getting on the conveyor belt of

0:54:10 > 0:54:14crime, youth services are one way to do that. But it is not just

0:54:14 > 0:54:19councils that provide youth services. Many voluntary groups

0:54:20 > 0:54:26around the country do that. If I was running a local council, I

0:54:26 > 0:54:32would be asking myself, if I had to cut your services myself, is it

0:54:32 > 0:54:36such a good idea to increase the rent for or scout services? They

0:54:36 > 0:54:41have to look at the issue as a whole. Would you say the

0:54:41 > 0:54:49Conservatives still are the party of law and order? You want to cut

0:54:49 > 0:54:58prison places and cut police officers. We very much our. We

0:54:59 > 0:55:03believe that victims are not getting a fair deal. The previous

0:55:03 > 0:55:08Government tinkered with the Criminal Justice Act constantly. We

0:55:08 > 0:55:13have spent 10 years coming up with our policies on law and order. We

0:55:13 > 0:55:18have tried to understand why the number of people and the prison

0:55:18 > 0:55:22population is increasing. We don't believe it needs to be. You have

0:55:22 > 0:55:28talked about having less people in prison and more about

0:55:28 > 0:55:31rehabilitation. Do you believe that is the way to draw? I simply posed

0:55:31 > 0:55:38the question. If crime is coming down, why is the prison population

0:55:38 > 0:55:44going up? There was a knee-jerk reaction in the aftermath of the

0:55:44 > 0:55:51riots. There should be a correlation between the amount of

0:55:51 > 0:55:55crime committed and the prison population. I don't think the

0:55:55 > 0:56:00judges over reacted. They had a difficult situation to deal with.

0:56:00 > 0:56:09There was an incredible amount of demand from the public for a hard

0:56:09 > 0:56:15hitting reaction. The people committing these crimes, many of

0:56:15 > 0:56:19them didn't have previous convictions. Each individual had