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:00:45. > :00:50.Better education for our young people, creating jobs and boosting

:00:50. > :00:54.the private sector. All key promises in this week's Programme

:00:54. > :01:04.For Government, but is it realistic? We will hear from those

:01:04. > :01:04.

:01:04. > :38:15.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2231 seconds

:38:15. > :38:18.Hello and welcome to the Politics Show in Northern Ireland. We now

:38:18. > :38:23.have a Programme for Government. The First Minister says, "Judge us

:38:23. > :38:28.on delivery," but just what can it deliver? Day we do not need any

:38:28. > :38:33.more Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets, or Morse -- supermarkets. What we

:38:33. > :38:36.need to do is export. And as members of the TUV gathered

:38:36. > :38:42.for their annual conference, Jim Allister calls on the SDLP and the

:38:42. > :38:52.Ulster Unionists to pull out of the Executive and form an opposition.

:38:52. > :38:57.

:38:57. > :39:00.The result is that they are the From investment in creative

:39:00. > :39:03.industries to the justice system, the Programme for Government it

:39:03. > :39:06.sets out a broad vision. We will be probing Executive pledges with two

:39:06. > :39:14.MLAs from the Education Committee in a moment but first Mark

:39:14. > :39:18.Devenport has a quick reminder of the big bullet points.

:39:18. > :39:22.Around this time of the year, a lot of children have been sitting

:39:22. > :39:28.transferred tests. This week, politicians face the test of their

:39:28. > :39:35.own, announcing a plan -- programme for government. It will provide the

:39:35. > :39:41.blueprint for this for a year Assembly term. So what are they

:39:41. > :39:46.headline grabbers? Education, free places for playgroups are nurseries

:39:46. > :39:49.for young children. At the other end of the scale, there is

:39:49. > :39:53.confirmation that university fees will remain frozen. Politicians

:39:53. > :39:58.will be hoping that that is the only thing frozen this winter. When

:39:58. > :40:04.it comes to running water, most people will be happy with the

:40:04. > :40:07.confirmation that there will be no water charges. They will be fewer

:40:07. > :40:15.politicians around. Small or medium-sized buildings --

:40:16. > :40:20.businesses get a new fund. There is a pledge to build affordable public

:40:20. > :40:27.housing. And a promise to double glaze all housing Executive

:40:27. > :40:31.property, making those homes more energy efficient. Justice is the

:40:31. > :40:36.one of the more contentious areas. A pledge to introduce more

:40:36. > :40:40.effective sentencing for those who attack all people is likely to draw

:40:40. > :40:46.widespread support. At the same time, there is more than a nod

:40:46. > :40:52.towards the importance of tourism, with a pledge to bring a major

:40:53. > :40:57.golfing tournament to these shores. I do not think that is what the

:40:57. > :41:03.SDLP leader said when -- meant when he said the programme was full of

:41:03. > :41:06.holes. Given that there are targets of the creation of 25,000 jobs,

:41:06. > :41:10.you're not going to achieve anything like that overnight. We

:41:10. > :41:14.will only be able to judge the success of this programme when we

:41:14. > :41:17.near the end of the Assembly term. School closures, redundancies and a

:41:17. > :41:20.cut in budgets. That's the reality facing our education system with

:41:20. > :41:25.50,000 empty school places. The Programme for Government is pushing

:41:25. > :41:32.for shared education, but what exactly does that mean? Let's hear

:41:32. > :41:36.from Mervyn Storey from the DUP and the Ulster Unionist David McNarry.

:41:36. > :41:41.I think everybody except that we cannot continue with the situation

:41:41. > :41:44.that we have, with an education system which is dominated by

:41:44. > :41:50.different sectors. I think if we want to ensure that our young

:41:50. > :41:53.people get the best possible education, given the tight and it

:41:53. > :41:56.difficult financial circumstances we find herself in, it is not

:41:56. > :42:01.appropriate to continue with a situation whereby we have a

:42:01. > :42:06.multitude of providers doing the same thing. Your party leader

:42:06. > :42:12.wanted a commission and what he has is an advisory group. It sounds

:42:12. > :42:17.like a talking shop and it is short on specifics. I think if you look

:42:17. > :42:22.at where we came from when it first Peter Robinson mentioned the idea

:42:22. > :42:27.of their sheer dedication, we had various sectors that came out very

:42:27. > :42:30.much opposed to the idea. Now we have a situation where we have it

:42:31. > :42:35.mentioned in the programme for government, we had a conference

:42:35. > :42:39.recently in it Belfast where it was clear from those who participated

:42:39. > :42:44.that there was a desire to move towards that particular type of

:42:44. > :42:48.model. Clearly, over the next number of weeks and months, we'll

:42:48. > :42:52.be continued to work to put more meat on the bones to make sure that

:42:52. > :42:58.people clearly understand that shared education is not about

:42:58. > :43:05.playing to one or another sector, not about you if -- replicating the

:43:05. > :43:14.sectors. It is about shared education. It is something that is

:43:14. > :43:19.different from what people might previously have preceded it was.

:43:19. > :43:26.Her tenure have shared education and the still support the transport

:43:26. > :43:29.-- transfer test? I told about state education four years ago. In

:43:29. > :43:38.political terms, that is a relatively short period to find

:43:38. > :43:44.other people talking about it. When you see what is happening in

:43:44. > :43:47.Ireland with that some authorities. Piquancy divergence. I think people

:43:47. > :43:52.were motivating this. The parents want the best education they can

:43:52. > :43:58.get for their children. A lot of parents still want a religious

:43:58. > :44:08.education. What we see now is a couple of interesting revelations.

:44:08. > :44:21.

:44:21. > :44:26.First of all, the statement that something would be so absent. --

:44:26. > :44:33.CCS see would be subsumed. And then there was a discussion of their

:44:33. > :44:37.assets. They would say that their assets are not going in and it

:44:37. > :44:43.would be up to the state to pay for them to come in. That is where we

:44:43. > :44:48.get into the detail. That is what we take best. The interesting thing

:44:48. > :44:54.is, in terms of selection, it is not on the agenda. It is not being

:44:54. > :45:01.discussed. The Education Committee, which and privilege to serve on, is

:45:01. > :45:06.working very well in getting down to the details, of getting

:45:06. > :45:10.underneath what the department or really saying. I was amazed to find

:45:10. > :45:15.that a couple of weeks ago the financial their tourist telling us

:45:15. > :45:23.that the department was in poverty. Now all this it may have found �40

:45:23. > :45:27.million. Where has that come from and what does that do? Last

:45:27. > :45:31.Thursday was a better than average day for the Stormont Assembly and

:45:31. > :45:36.we have said that the targets now and we have to deliver them. I am

:45:36. > :45:46.in this committee to deliver on education and we'll deliver what

:45:46. > :45:50.

:45:50. > :45:55.the parents, what most of the parents want. The difference

:45:55. > :46:00.between the DUP and Sinn Fein on this is quite significant. We have

:46:00. > :46:04.a status quo being a man -- maintained on transfer. You're not

:46:04. > :46:07.patient to have brought back end and they are not pushing to have it

:46:07. > :46:11.scrapped completely. We have these tests that children still have to

:46:11. > :46:19.fall every year. If you look at the legal position, this is why we

:46:20. > :46:28.always have to start, it is very clear. The 2006 order has made

:46:28. > :46:33.legally permissive for schools to use academic criteria for transfer.

:46:33. > :46:38.I am clear that there needs to be a discussion between the two

:46:38. > :46:43.organisations that have organised the tests. But there have been

:46:43. > :46:47.discussions. There have been discussions but recently in

:46:47. > :46:50.discussions with the First Minister, we will shortly initiate

:46:50. > :46:54.discussions between those organisations, to bring them

:46:54. > :47:04.together, to show that the challenge that parents face in

:47:04. > :47:08.relation to two separate organisations can be minimised. I

:47:08. > :47:13.think that any other attempts by those to undermine that will be

:47:13. > :47:17.seen as not fitting in with the purpose of parental choice.

:47:17. > :47:21.Remember that the previous Education Minister said that

:47:21. > :47:26.transfer will become a legal minefield. Will we have just one

:47:26. > :47:30.Test? I think that is a we have to come to. That is the point we have

:47:30. > :47:34.to get to. The previous Education Minister said that the transfer

:47:34. > :47:37.process would be a legal minefield. Will the person taken to court

:47:37. > :47:44.during this process was the Department of Education and the

:47:44. > :47:49.previous Education Minister when the legalities of what they had

:47:49. > :47:55.done would -- was challenged. The legitimacy of the right to that to

:47:55. > :48:05.be part of the education system, are we in a perfect relation to

:48:05. > :48:12.

:48:12. > :48:16.what we should have? We're not. Now the political conference season

:48:16. > :48:19.is continuing. This weekend, it is the turn of the Traditional

:48:19. > :48:27.Unionist Voice. Stephen Walker has been to Cookstown to hear from the

:48:27. > :48:31.party faithful. His report contains flash photography.

:48:31. > :48:37.Will the old there were a dozen speakers at this gathering, it was

:48:37. > :48:40.Jim Allister many had come to hear. His speech was typical political

:48:40. > :48:45.knockabout and it was the DUP that were mostly in the firing line,

:48:45. > :48:54.including their plans to charge �50 for a seminar at their annual

:48:54. > :49:04.conference. The Elmley thing I can say about this latest BP venture it

:49:04. > :49:05.

:49:05. > :49:11.is the first thing in years that will not be a sell-out! The TUV

:49:11. > :49:21.leader at scribes dormant as a SDLP cocaine. He appealed to the SDLP

:49:21. > :49:27.

:49:27. > :49:32.and the Aston Unionists to go into opposition. -- cocoon. They are but

:49:32. > :49:40.the fodder of the DUP and Sinn Fein, who, when it suits them, uses them

:49:40. > :49:48.and when it suits them, abuses them. How long can they put up with the

:49:48. > :49:55.humiliation to which they are subjected? For the party faithful,

:49:55. > :49:59.this speech appeared to to hit all the right note. This is the first

:49:59. > :50:06.major TUV gathering since the Assembly elections. Whilst the

:50:06. > :50:12.party on least the one at nominee elected, they remain convinced that

:50:12. > :50:16.their message is still relevant. One MLA who has done the work that

:50:16. > :50:21.Jim has done in the last few weeks is a credit to 30 or 40 of the

:50:21. > :50:23.others that have done absolutely nothing. I do not think there is

:50:23. > :50:28.another party in Northern Ireland politics that is as United and

:50:28. > :50:33.focused and committed to change as a Traditional Unionist Voice.

:50:33. > :50:38.it matter that you only have a single MLA? Of course it matters.

:50:38. > :50:43.But there will be an election in four years and we might have more

:50:43. > :50:49.voices then. Jim Allister has made much play of being a lone voice at

:50:49. > :50:55.Stormont, but he knows that if his party is to advance, he cannot fed.

:50:55. > :50:58.-- fight political battles on his own.

:50:58. > :51:01.Back to the economy now and our reporter Yvette Shapiro has been

:51:01. > :51:08.sounding out captains of industry on just how we get to the other

:51:08. > :51:15.side of the downturn. Belfast port, the departure point

:51:15. > :51:19.for many of Ireland's largest exports. Because of the recession,

:51:19. > :51:23.sales to many markets are well down and companies are having to go

:51:23. > :51:26.further afield in search of business. The Executive wants to

:51:26. > :51:30.see a rebalancing of the Northern Ireland economy with more export

:51:30. > :51:35.sales delivering employment growth. But in current conditions, is that

:51:35. > :51:40.realistic? It will not happen on my watch. I think Peter needs to come

:51:40. > :51:45.down. They may be at odds over the future name of the Prison Service,

:51:45. > :51:54.but on one issue they are rude -- United. It is the importance of

:51:54. > :51:58.boosting the economy. Inward investors like these, creating 180

:51:58. > :52:04.jobs, will be harder to secure in the future. Under new European

:52:04. > :52:09.rules, generous grant aid is no longer available to overseas firms.

:52:09. > :52:13.So what is the alternative for employment growth? Any implement

:52:13. > :52:18.like ours is dependent on growth and exports for wealth and economy

:52:18. > :52:22.in the future. A Bar's response in terms of attracting investors that

:52:22. > :52:27.there exporters and working with there hasto help them crowed their

:52:27. > :52:33.exports. They take their cheese- making seriously here. In five

:52:33. > :52:37.years, turnover has quadrupled and Employment has doubled. There is a

:52:37. > :52:42.message about sustainability. We want to offer employment and make

:52:42. > :52:45.sure it is for the long term, not just for the extra months. There

:52:45. > :52:52.are growing sales in Ireland and Europe, but other firms are not

:52:52. > :52:56.doing as well in these recession- hit market. By far the most

:52:56. > :53:06.products go to Great Britain. Sales you're worth �7 billion last year.

:53:06. > :53:06.

:53:06. > :53:13.That was up 8%. Cross-border sales were worth �1.5 billion. Exports to

:53:13. > :53:16.the rest of Europe were worth �1.1 billion, a massive drop in sales.

:53:16. > :53:19.Exports to the rest of the world that totalled 2.7 billion and if

:53:19. > :53:26.you're looking for some green shoots, that figure was very

:53:26. > :53:30.slightly up. This for a man a quarry has been in the family for

:53:30. > :53:40.three generations. The collapse of traditional market in Ireland and

:53:40. > :53:42.

:53:42. > :53:45.Britain has led to a drop in productivity. We feel that

:53:45. > :53:49.international companies get a lot of attention and right Basal, but

:53:49. > :53:53.we think that the medium-sized businesses, family-owned,

:53:53. > :53:59.traditional businesses, should get a bit more help and a bit more

:53:59. > :54:04.encouragement to go and find work outside of Ireland. But companies

:54:04. > :54:11.in China and India report annual economic growth of around 10% and

:54:11. > :54:15.they present local companies with massive opportunities. What we to

:54:15. > :54:19.see is more support being given to those companies. The programme for

:54:19. > :54:25.government pledges to help with exports. There's a fund for small

:54:25. > :54:35.companies. It has real potential. This is one of their deals -- few

:54:35. > :54:35.

:54:35. > :54:38.sectors that is growing. In Scotland, the SNP government has

:54:38. > :54:42.went big on the green economy and the seen the benefits. They are

:54:42. > :54:49.creating the jobs. This business seminar in Belfast put together

:54:49. > :54:53.experienced exporters and first times. This man sells close that

:54:53. > :54:58.excesses for dogs to customers worldwide. He was to see targeted

:54:58. > :55:03.support from government. We do not seem -- we do not need to see more

:55:03. > :55:09.Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet or supermarkets. What we need to do is

:55:09. > :55:14.export. We need to have their new modern technologies, the new ways

:55:14. > :55:17.are actually selling, the Internet and all those things that will

:55:17. > :55:23.enable the Batista up a business and easily reached a worldwide

:55:23. > :55:25.audience. As these business people were mingling, the Executive was

:55:25. > :55:29.hammering out its programme for government. There was one thing

:55:29. > :55:34.missing. The single most important thing that the Executive could do

:55:34. > :55:41.would be to reduce corporation tax. We would see jobs created and we

:55:41. > :55:44.would see significant increased to exports we Riddell What -- elevate

:55:44. > :55:47.Northern Ireland in the market generally and we would be

:55:47. > :55:50.attractive to investors. We have just seen how important the

:55:50. > :55:52.export market could be to our economy, so are we doing enough to

:55:52. > :55:54.support it? I'm joined by marketing analyst and business development

:55:54. > :56:03.advisor Michael Maguire and Professor Tony Gallagher from

:56:03. > :56:07.Queen's University. You have walked the walk in it some

:56:07. > :56:10.respects, what the EU make of this programme for government? First of

:56:10. > :56:18.all I think we need to welcome the fact that the MLAs have put a

:56:18. > :56:21.cohesive effort together. They have created a plan. There are huge

:56:21. > :56:26.omissions and that process and I would like to have seen a more

:56:26. > :56:30.robust efforts to try to address to the requirement of the next 10 or

:56:30. > :56:34.20 years, not just the next three or four years. They would argue

:56:34. > :56:38.that the investment strategy looks much further down the line, up to

:56:38. > :56:41.30 years. In terms of specifics, what could they have brought in

:56:41. > :56:45.that they did not cure back the big omission at the moment is the issue

:56:45. > :56:49.of corporation tax. It is very clear that they have decided to

:56:49. > :56:53.park that for a period of time. One must remember that that was the

:56:53. > :57:01.single big issue that most of the business community have put forward

:57:01. > :57:05.as as a suggestion. In a way it is out of their hands because that is

:57:05. > :57:09.up to Westminster and the Treasury to give us those powers. That said,

:57:09. > :57:12.one has to look to the south of the border to a friend and the Republic

:57:12. > :57:17.of Ireland and their export generation taking place just now is

:57:17. > :57:22.reaching something close to an all- time high, because, irrespective of

:57:22. > :57:26.the circumstances down there, they are able to offer a deal that

:57:26. > :57:29.attracts good f d I. In the United Kingdom we have to look at what is

:57:29. > :57:33.happening in Scotland I did it is highly likely that they are going

:57:33. > :57:41.to seek to assume responsibility for corporation tax, probably

:57:41. > :57:44.sooner than we will. Education is obviously a key theme. You can get

:57:44. > :57:53.students and and prepare them for the work market, but as the

:57:53. > :58:01.entrepreneurial spirit not have to start much at -- earlier? There are

:58:01. > :58:07.a lot of initiative stride to do this with young people. -- trying

:58:07. > :58:10.to do this with young people. We're trying to develop or programmes at

:58:10. > :58:14.university as well. We have recently opened an Executive

:58:14. > :58:22.education and Leadership Institute and we have tried to build

:58:22. > :58:26.entrepreneurship into as many of our programmes as possible. Can you

:58:26. > :58:31.do more? What we're doing at the moment is that now that the whole

:58:31. > :58:41.situation around funding and fees has been stabilised, wheel and

:58:41. > :58:42.

:58:42. > :58:52.AT&T's -- we will enhance our links to ensure that the steady stream of

:58:52. > :58:55.

:58:55. > :59:00.graduates that we are producing a in line. So that we can debate

:59:00. > :59:06.exactly what consumers need. We had done the report saying that they do

:59:06. > :59:16.not get enough attention or help -- we heard in the report one small

:59:16. > :59:17.

:59:17. > :59:22.businessman saying that they do not get enough attention or help.

:59:22. > :59:28.think there is a good track record of supporting. Will the 50 million

:59:28. > :59:34.help? Ensure it will. We are in a looking economy, we are in

:59:34. > :59:37.difficult times. One of the issues that will affect us during the next

:59:37. > :59:46.three or four years, during the lighting of the programme is that

:59:46. > :59:49.we will end up with employment would he age. -- leakage. The

:59:49. > :59:53.Government needs to think much more deeply about how the address