:00:02. > :00:06.This week on the Politics Show: Vince Cable offers sympathy to the
:00:07. > :00:10.St Paul's protesters and threatens tough action on Executive Pay.
:00:10. > :00:19.But what about the economy? The Business Secretary tells us his
:00:19. > :00:25.plan for growth and we get the And are Government plans to take
:00:25. > :00:28.child benefit from higher rate And on the Politics Show Scotland:
:00:28. > :00:30.We hear from the Chancellor, George Osborne, who warns the prospect of
:00:31. > :00:32.an independence referendum is causing uncertainty in the Scottish
:00:33. > :00:35.economy, with major international companies worried about investing
:00:35. > :00:45.here. And we take a look at a new export
:00:45. > :00:45.
:00:45. > :22:38.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1312 seconds
:22:38. > :22:41.- education. How big a draw is a Trying to cut too far tried to cut
:22:41. > :22:50.too far and too fast. The longer this goes on, the bigger the pain
:22:50. > :22:55.is going to be. I do not think they We have heard from Vince Cable
:22:55. > :23:00.saying the need to get the growth back into the economy. We read that
:23:00. > :23:05.there may be many bought forward for infrastructure projects. D U
:23:06. > :23:10.Welcome mat? The fittest true. Your first question to Vince Cable was
:23:10. > :23:14.this is the equivalent of a war in the economy. That is quite right.
:23:14. > :23:18.But after the Second World War, we took a number of years to repay at
:23:18. > :23:24.a higher number of debt. The Government and Vince Cable tried to
:23:24. > :23:28.get this done in one Parliament and it is backfiring, leading to higher
:23:28. > :23:31.borrowing as well as slower growth. We have set out a plan more
:23:31. > :23:34.balanced on the deficit and which acts now to get growth and jobs
:23:34. > :23:37.moving. It used the case that the Government is now adopting one of
:23:37. > :23:42.those plans by bringing forward infrastructure investment then good
:23:42. > :23:49.but it has to be real, it has to have a stimulus for the economy.
:23:49. > :23:54.George Osborne is talking about �50 billion. That has all got to come
:23:54. > :23:57.from private investment. We have had this idea for a year... I just
:23:57. > :24:02.want to ask you about your plan. How much will your growth plant
:24:02. > :24:08.cost? We have been very clear that one of the elements will be a
:24:08. > :24:11.temporary cut for one year which will cost �12 billion. We have said
:24:11. > :24:16.repeat the ban bonus tax... Do you think it should be for one year or
:24:16. > :24:20.five years? It all depends how long it takes his recovery to get moving.
:24:21. > :24:28.I think that if we act now and we will get the recovery moving over
:24:28. > :24:32.the next year. A year ago we had a recovery and falling unemployment.
:24:32. > :24:37.Vince Cable was ignored, the Liberal Democrat manifesto was
:24:37. > :24:42.whipped up... I would like to go with your plans. �12 million in VAT.
:24:42. > :24:47.What about the rest of it? second part would be a repeat of
:24:47. > :24:51.the bank and its tax, raising �2 billion from and bonuses to spend
:24:51. > :24:55.on 100,000 jobs for young people and housing. That pays for itself.
:24:55. > :24:59.We call for a cut in national insurance, with small firms taking
:24:59. > :25:03.on new employees and the Government had is denied it has failed. There
:25:03. > :25:08.was half a billion pounds for that and it did not work very well. We
:25:08. > :25:11.have also said, but VAT for a year, for help for small companies.
:25:12. > :25:18.People think that might cost half a billion pounds but if you get more
:25:18. > :25:22.growth and jobs that will then pay for itself. Finally, bring forward
:25:22. > :25:25.projects but you cannot have the big investment projects if you do
:25:25. > :25:31.not affect borrowing, which somehow relies upon the private sector.
:25:31. > :25:37.George Osborne is a saying �50 billion but there is no meet there.
:25:37. > :25:41.He's been will not work. You have to hold him to account. We need to
:25:41. > :25:45.Labour's plan for jobs in Britain right now. And executive pay. Vince
:25:45. > :25:49.Cable is talking about possibly introducing legislation in the New
:25:49. > :25:54.Year. Will you be backing him? he brings forward legislation we
:25:54. > :25:57.will balk at hit. I think Vince Cable was confused it is in dispute
:25:57. > :26:02.about the past as well as the future. We actually introduced in
:26:02. > :26:06.Government legislation which says that every person paid more than �1
:26:06. > :26:09.million, be paying owners should be made public. The Conservative-
:26:10. > :26:14.Liberal Democrat Government have used that. Vince Cable does not
:26:14. > :26:18.need a new bill. He can do that right now. Why doesn't he just out
:26:18. > :26:22.rather than prevaricate? He has also talked about legislation to
:26:22. > :26:26.have work representatives on board, more transparency, voting by
:26:26. > :26:31.shareholders. Quite right. We just get on with it. You cannot just sit
:26:31. > :26:36.there and say, I have got a problem, and prevaricate about action. On
:26:36. > :26:41.executive pay, growth, jobs, we do not want these things that are all
:26:41. > :26:46.over the place and confused. We want action to get jobs and grid
:26:46. > :26:51.moving out to get our deficit down. We needed quickly and I am afraid
:26:51. > :26:56.in the interview today we did not see any signs of leadership action,
:26:56. > :27:00.just excuses. Good afternoon. Welcome to The
:27:00. > :27:05.Politics Show Scotland. Coming up, in an exclusive interview, the
:27:05. > :27:08.Chancellor wars -- and warns the SNP's independence referendum is
:27:08. > :27:12.putting off big business from coming here. I think the
:27:12. > :27:15.uncertainty is damaging investment in Scotland and there are major
:27:15. > :27:18.businesses around the world who have asked me in the last tee, tell
:27:18. > :27:22.us what is going on in Scotland. We are worried about making an
:27:22. > :27:26.investment. He as the Scottish Government's
:27:26. > :27:31.consultation on same-sex marriage nears a close, will Scots say "I
:27:31. > :27:34.do", and will ministers listen? And selling Scottish education to
:27:34. > :27:38.India. How big a brand is a degree from one of our universities?
:27:38. > :27:43.It has cost two governments and billions of euros but still the
:27:43. > :27:49.economic crisis in Europe ranges on. The turmoil is having an impact
:27:49. > :27:53.here, as forecasts predict the UK economic growth will suffer because
:27:54. > :27:59.of the crisis on the Continent. Plenty to attract the attention of
:27:59. > :28:05.Chancellor George Osborne, them. I caught up with him in a distillery
:28:05. > :28:09.in Elgin and asked him how Europe should get out of its current mess?
:28:09. > :28:12.There are the issues of leading with -- dealing with the crisis in
:28:12. > :28:15.hand, dealing with Italy, the questions raised over even
:28:15. > :28:19.countries like France, and that is what all our efforts are fixed on
:28:19. > :28:23.at the moment but I do not think that will be the lasting answer.
:28:23. > :28:26.The lasting answer is that the countries of the eurozone will have
:28:27. > :28:30.to corporate much more closely on the issues of tax and spending,
:28:30. > :28:35.where there has got to be more integration. Be kind of thing,
:28:35. > :28:41.actually, that Britain would not tolerate. One of the reasons we did
:28:41. > :28:45.not jewel the euro. But we have to allow the euros and to do it well
:28:45. > :28:51.protected are our interests and making sure that the European Union
:28:51. > :28:56.can work for all its members even those that are not in the euro.
:28:56. > :28:59.that fiscal union? Something like it. If you think of currency unions
:28:59. > :29:06.anywhere in the world, in the UK, in the United States, we do
:29:06. > :29:08.transfer money around the country in order to try to get greater
:29:08. > :29:14.equality and -- in the economy. That is what needs to happen in the
:29:14. > :29:19.Europe. We are not there yet and there is instability in the euro.
:29:19. > :29:24.It is having a huge impact on the Scottish and UK economy and I am
:29:24. > :29:32.afraid it is hitting growth and heeding jobs. Gyms says that when
:29:32. > :29:39.the evidence changes so do his opinions. Shouldn't you change
:29:39. > :29:42.direction to? I fully accept we need to go further, have more
:29:42. > :29:47.initiatives, have plans to stimulate housing, getting Hames
:29:47. > :29:50.being built, help with more infrastructure, help small
:29:50. > :29:55.businesses. I accept all that and we will announce plans for all
:29:55. > :29:58.those things in the coming weeks but let's not forget you one not
:29:58. > :30:03.into being a European buyer -- finance minister who is terrified
:30:03. > :30:08.that he cannot sell his country's debt tomorrow. Severe austerity
:30:08. > :30:11.programme continues? The austerity programme, as you put it, I would
:30:11. > :30:14.say a country living within its means, is an essential part of
:30:14. > :30:18.Britain demanded confident within the world and I think all of those
:30:18. > :30:24.who said over the last year that there was some room for Britain,
:30:24. > :30:27.that we could spend more Korek -- spent more, Barrymore, we must
:30:27. > :30:36.remember that our deficit is higher than that of Greece, Italy,
:30:36. > :30:42.Portugal. It means that alternative path, plan B, it would have been a
:30:42. > :30:46.total disaster for this country, Proust -- pushed interest rates up.
:30:46. > :30:52.Alex Salmond won a famous victory in May and he says that gives him a
:30:52. > :30:56.mandate to demand more Palmer's from your Government. What would
:30:56. > :30:59.convince you to devolve corporation tax to Edinburgh? I have had
:30:59. > :31:02.several discussions with Alex Salmond about corporation tax and
:31:02. > :31:08.other things he has asked for. First, we are passing through
:31:08. > :31:12.Parliament the biggest devolution of taxation since the Act of Union.
:31:12. > :31:17.Second, specifically on corporation tax, there are some very important
:31:17. > :31:22.questions about how much money this would forgo for the UK Exchequer,
:31:22. > :31:26.how much money the Scottish Government... How much is it?
:31:26. > :31:30.is precisely the discussion I want with Alex Salmond. We have asked
:31:30. > :31:34.him questions about his proposal and actually he has had very little
:31:34. > :31:37.idea of the answers. The impressions I have had from
:31:37. > :31:40.discussions with the Scottish Government is that they have not
:31:40. > :31:45.really thought through the detail of additional powers. Maybe now
:31:45. > :31:50.they will in the next few months. We have asked them some questions.
:31:50. > :31:53.It is time for them to come back with some answers but let's not
:31:53. > :31:57.forget, currently going through the UK parliament, promoted by the
:31:57. > :32:01.coalition Government, the United Kingdom, is the biggest devolution
:32:01. > :32:10.of taxation since the Act of Union and that status was a lot of what
:32:10. > :32:13.the Scottish people want to see. that his may be on corporation tax.
:32:13. > :32:17.Before you go through each one of these, I am not saying that any of
:32:17. > :32:21.these are necessarily things we will do. I am saying, let us hear
:32:21. > :32:25.the answers to the detailed questions and I have not had those
:32:25. > :32:29.answers yet. And frankly, I think the bigger issue at the moment is
:32:29. > :32:32.not this particular power or that particular power. I think the
:32:32. > :32:36.instability and the uncertainty that hangs over the Scottish
:32:36. > :32:41.economy because of Alex Salmond raising the prospect of
:32:41. > :32:45.independence without actually providing any detail, I think that
:32:45. > :32:47.answer is damaging investment in Scotland and they are major
:32:47. > :32:51.businesses around the world who have asked me, as Chancellor, in
:32:51. > :32:55.the last year, tell us what is going on in Scotland. We are
:32:55. > :32:59.worried about making an investment in that country. I have told them,
:32:59. > :33:03.go ahead with that investment, but I have to say, those questions are
:33:03. > :33:08.being asked and I think they are having an impact on Scottish jobs
:33:08. > :33:12.and prosperity. Which companies and how much investment? I do not want
:33:12. > :33:16.to go into specifics but some of the largest companies in the world.
:33:16. > :33:20.These are private conversations. I always answer, in best in Scotland.
:33:20. > :33:24.I think it is a great place to invest. But people have to be aware
:33:24. > :33:29.that the uncertainty about independence, about what sort of
:33:29. > :33:33.referendum Alex Salmond once, the question that he wants to posted
:33:33. > :33:37.Scottish people, all of those things, at a time when there is a
:33:37. > :33:42.lot of economic uncertainty, or adding economic uncertainty in
:33:42. > :33:48.Scotland. As a Conservative Cabinet minister, do you feel comfortable
:33:48. > :33:52.in Scotland, the country which has so often rejected your party?
:33:52. > :33:55.say, I think this is a fantastic part of the UK. One of the best
:33:55. > :33:59.places to do business. As Chancellor I am very interested in
:33:59. > :34:05.that. I actually came up here with my Liberal Democrat chief secretary
:34:05. > :34:07.earlier today. I have spent the afternoon with are fantastic new
:34:07. > :34:12.leader of the Scottish Conservatives, with Davidson, and I
:34:12. > :34:18.should say, my door is always open to her to come and put his case for
:34:18. > :34:23.Scotland. I am optimistic about Scotland's future. And the
:34:23. > :34:28.Conservatives' future? I am optimistic. We have a fantastic
:34:28. > :34:34.leader. She is a breath of fresh air just not for the Scottish
:34:34. > :34:37.Conservatives but for the Coral Scottish politics. She is going to
:34:37. > :34:41.be an important force for Scotland. Classes.
:34:41. > :34:46.You can see a longer version of that interview on our website at
:34:46. > :34:50.bbc.co.uk/scotlandnews. One interested observer is the First
:34:50. > :34:54.Minister. Just before we came on air, Alex Salmond gave us these
:34:54. > :34:59.reaction to the Chancellor's claims. The great companies of the world
:35:00. > :35:06.are investing in Scotland at the present moment. Companies like Amla
:35:06. > :35:12.arm -- Amazon, Mitsubishi. That is one of the reasons even in these
:35:12. > :35:17.difficult economic times when unemployment in Scotland is lower
:35:17. > :35:22.than in the rest of the UK. The instability in Scotland has nothing
:35:22. > :35:27.to do with an independence referendum, and everything to do
:35:27. > :35:32.with George Osborne and Tory economic policies. This is juvenile
:35:32. > :35:36.and it is not going to work. We have already given huge economic
:35:36. > :35:40.detail on corporation tax. We have said what we want to do. We want to
:35:40. > :35:43.control corporation tax so that we can attract corporation companies
:35:43. > :35:47.to Scotland, to get greater investment in Scotland. We have
:35:47. > :35:50.given them all this stuff. This is a Chancellor of wants to give as
:35:50. > :35:56.powers -- give powers to Northern Ireland but not Scotland.
:35:56. > :35:59.Should same-sex couples be able to get married? That is the question
:35:59. > :36:05.currently being posed by the Scottish Government. Ministers say
:36:05. > :36:10.they are open-minded but have hinted they would remind --
:36:10. > :36:16.consider reform. Some of those campaigning for the change say
:36:16. > :36:20.those -- it is not just about religion.
:36:20. > :36:24.We knew as soon as we met each other... Sandy and Kevin became
:36:24. > :36:31.civil partners last Christmas Eve but given a chance, they would
:36:31. > :36:35.rather have got married. We believe that a civil partnership is like a
:36:35. > :36:38.legal contract. You get the same rights and responsibilities as
:36:38. > :36:41.someone married but we feel it is a lesser status. While they would not
:36:41. > :36:46.have had a religious ceremony they think it should be an option for
:36:46. > :36:50.gay couples, but only if the judge involved agrees. I do not think
:36:50. > :36:55.anyone should force them to conduct these ceremonies. It is up to their
:36:55. > :36:58.religion and for them to decide and for people who are religious to
:36:58. > :37:02.take it up with their ministers. That is what the Scottish
:37:03. > :37:06.Government is considering. Up until now, any A8 man and a woman could
:37:06. > :37:09.get married in Scotland. Gay couples must enter a civil
:37:09. > :37:12.partnership instead. The new proposals would give same-sex
:37:12. > :37:17.couples equal marriage rites and the chance to have a religious
:37:17. > :37:24.ceremony. But despite reassurances from ministers, knows celebrant
:37:24. > :37:28.would be made to conduct a same-sex wedding, proposals have got strong
:37:28. > :37:33.opposition from some faith groups, particularly the Catholic Church
:37:33. > :37:36.who has warned of serious problems with relations with Government if
:37:36. > :37:39.proposals go ahead. Some smaller face which said they are in favour
:37:39. > :37:44.of gay marriage but how important is the religious aspect for gay
:37:44. > :37:47.couples? Let's be clear. This is not about millions of gay people
:37:47. > :37:53.smashing down doors of judges demanded to be married but there
:37:53. > :37:56.are some people in the church for whom it matters. They married
:37:56. > :38:02.within a church matters a lot. For some people it will be a civil
:38:02. > :38:07.marriage in a registry office. Again it is down to Joyce. Eric and
:38:07. > :38:11.Paolo got married in Brussels in 2006 per was surprised to find out
:38:11. > :38:15.it was not recognised in Scotland. The number of times I said, Yes, We
:38:16. > :38:21.Are married, and people say, so you have visible partnership, and I
:38:21. > :38:25.have to explain... They do not know... They are not meaning to
:38:25. > :38:29.make it less but it is less because it was deliberately designed to not
:38:29. > :38:34.be the same. They would not have married in church but feel
:38:34. > :38:38.religious groups should not be able to opt out of gay marriage. If you
:38:39. > :38:44.expect to have the right to conduct these legal ceremony then you
:38:44. > :38:48.should be expected to deliver it to anybody who wants it. I have said
:38:48. > :38:51.minutes times before and I will say again... Last week in Parliament,
:38:51. > :38:54.the Deputy First Minister reiterated the Government's
:38:54. > :38:58.position that it is tending towards change but still consulting on the
:38:58. > :39:02.issue. But should ministers stick to their guns? In all the history
:39:02. > :39:07.of these complex issues, you have to take a moral decision and stick
:39:07. > :39:12.by it and articulate it clearly. In suddenly, as Tony Blair did, a
:39:12. > :39:18.decade ago, during the Great Rock about Section 2 a, about
:39:18. > :39:26.homosexuality in schools, when he came north and said these are
:39:26. > :39:31.grinders fears, -- groundless fears. Let's just be reasonable about it.
:39:31. > :39:35.Alex Salmond has to do exactly the same thing. This is the 21st
:39:35. > :39:38.century. We do not accept prejudices against sexual
:39:38. > :39:46.minorities and I am afraid those subject to that will just have to
:39:46. > :39:50.put up with it. Legislation for same-sex marriage is not featured
:39:50. > :39:53.on this year's programme for Government. Consultation ends on
:39:53. > :39:57.December 9th. Joining in the studio is the SNP's
:39:57. > :40:07.John Mason, and the leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, Willie
:40:07. > :40:11.
:40:11. > :40:21.What is your view it as to whether there should be legislation on
:40:21. > :40:22.
:40:22. > :40:30.this? I think we should wait till the end of the consultation and I
:40:30. > :40:38.thing that is something all the main parties agree on. The do you
:40:38. > :40:46.personally support a change in the law? I think this is a time for the
:40:46. > :40:54.politicians to listen to what comes out of the consultation. But surely
:40:54. > :41:01.you must have an opinion on that? Do you support the question of
:41:01. > :41:10.whether same-sex couples should be able to get married? Most of the
:41:10. > :41:18.rates are already there, so we are arguing really about a word. What
:41:18. > :41:25.is your view? I want a society which is as bloat pluralistic as
:41:25. > :41:34.possible. But it should be the case that if Christians and other groups
:41:34. > :41:42.want to opt out, they should be allowed to. But what about your
:41:42. > :41:52.view. I am asking you as an elected Member of Parliament what your
:41:52. > :41:55.
:41:55. > :42:05.opinion is. What I am not wanting his Christian views been forced
:42:05. > :42:08.
:42:09. > :42:18.upon the rest of society. But I am relaxed about it. So you agree with
:42:19. > :42:22.
:42:22. > :42:29.it? No, I am relaxed about it. disappointed with John's response.
:42:29. > :42:34.I think we could have a vigorous debate about this. The judge has
:42:34. > :42:39.make a reasonable 0.0, do they not, that if you look at all the legal
:42:39. > :42:46.rights and responsibilities, you have them in become legislation
:42:46. > :42:56.regarding civil partnerships. the belief that the faith groups
:42:56. > :43:01.would say that marriage should only been between a man and a women.
:43:01. > :43:07.There has never been an option that churches would be forced into
:43:07. > :43:12.performing same-sex marriages. But the Church do not own the word
:43:12. > :43:17.marriage. There are marriages that are conducted not within religious
:43:17. > :43:23.settings now. Society owns the word marriage. It is important that we
:43:23. > :43:33.have a society that supports all groups, it should be open to all
:43:33. > :43:36.
:43:36. > :43:45.groups. So do you not think the Church should be listen to? A a
:43:45. > :43:48.absolutely not. My father was a Minister and the church. You talked
:43:48. > :43:53.about the Equality Act there was being passed at the time, if you
:43:53. > :44:01.think Holyrood does legislate on this it could be undermined by the
:44:01. > :44:08.Equality Act? There is a belief that they there could be a clash
:44:08. > :44:14.between report the Equality Act says and this could be problematic.
:44:14. > :44:17.At the moment, if the churches cannot do civil partnerships and
:44:18. > :44:22.equal marriage or gay marriage, it should be then that a couple could
:44:22. > :44:26.then come up to the charge and challenge that. There is that
:44:26. > :44:31.slight fear or that of the Scottish Parliament agrees to protect
:44:31. > :44:41.religious people that they could go to court and the courts could
:44:41. > :44:42.
:44:42. > :44:50.decide against it. Should it courts decide against it? Are we going to
:44:50. > :44:54.say that the judge should be squeezed into a corner. But if that
:44:54. > :45:04.is the question of equality, surely the Church should have to abide by
:45:04. > :45:06.
:45:06. > :45:15.that? Well, you have to take into account conscience. Why should not
:45:15. > :45:22.churches be forced to allow gay marriage? I am not seeking to
:45:22. > :45:30.impose my views on the church. society should be equal until you
:45:30. > :45:35.get to the steps of a church? think it should be a free society
:45:35. > :45:43.where people can do what they want. I do not want to impose upon the
:45:44. > :45:53.churches and I do not want them to impose upon me. How do you think
:45:53. > :45:59.the SNP colleagues will listen to the churches? I have got great
:45:59. > :46:09.respect for Nicola Sturgeon. say it does legislate against the
:46:09. > :46:10.
:46:10. > :46:16.judges? There is probably a majority that support gay marriage,
:46:16. > :46:22.even did David Cameron says he does, but I think it is fair to say that
:46:22. > :46:29.not a majority of Conservative voters would do. To the judges have
:46:29. > :46:33.too much influence over Scottish politicians? I think the judges
:46:33. > :46:43.have to be careful about how they speak on behalf of the people who
:46:43. > :46:44.
:46:44. > :46:50.follow that faith. I was very unfavourable over for the Minister
:46:50. > :46:58.in Paisley said about the judge having the block vote of 600,000
:46:58. > :47:06.Roman Catholics in the country. I think that was wrong. A church
:47:06. > :47:08.leaders not supposed to lead on religious issues? And surely it
:47:08. > :47:18.same-sex marriage is a moral issue and therefore they should be
:47:18. > :47:24.
:47:24. > :47:29.speaking out about it? Yes, but this is different. I certainly
:47:29. > :47:33.think the Church cannot affect the government. They are a minority
:47:33. > :47:40.these days. They should put out their views and put them out
:47:40. > :47:50.strongly. If they are defeated and have bought, they are in the
:47:50. > :47:50.
:47:50. > :47:52.minority. The the consultation ends in the next few weeks. Thank you
:47:52. > :47:55.both very much. Government ministers have become
:47:55. > :47:58.travelling salesmen in recent weeks. Alex Salmond was barely off the
:47:58. > :48:01.plane from a tour of the Gulf States when the Education Secretary,
:48:01. > :48:04.Mike Russell set off for India. His job was to lead the largest-ever
:48:04. > :48:11.university delegation to the country. So what is the pitch? Our
:48:11. > :48:17.business and economy editor Douglas Fraser has been investigating.
:48:17. > :48:27.India has get issues market as a potential for Scottish exports and
:48:27. > :48:28.
:48:28. > :48:34.for learning. We have some of the best universities and the world and
:48:34. > :48:37.have a long tradition of higher education. Scholl and is known as
:48:37. > :48:41.the provider of education and I think it is the major competitor
:48:41. > :48:51.with other countries and the world. I think it is succeeding become
:48:51. > :48:55.
:48:55. > :49:00.because of its reputation. numbers are staggering. There are
:49:00. > :49:05.over 200 million student studying. That is said to increase in the
:49:05. > :49:10.next 10 years. That means another 1,000 universities are needed. The
:49:10. > :49:16.only way that that gap between supply and demand to draw extra
:49:16. > :49:23.capacity can be filled is by working in partnerships with
:49:23. > :49:33.universities from overseas. Fees for a masters are Strathclyde
:49:33. > :49:34.
:49:34. > :49:39.Business School run to �22,000. It is a big ask by Indian standards.
:49:39. > :49:46.It opens the doors by having international access and not simply
:49:46. > :49:56.been restricted to India. Coming over here, I met a lot of new
:49:56. > :49:59.
:49:59. > :50:04.people who wear experienced. They were from Europe and America.
:50:04. > :50:09.is a mix of culture and experience that you get to study here. When
:50:09. > :50:19.you study people from different backgrounds and experiences. You
:50:19. > :50:19.
:50:19. > :50:29.share your own experiences. people in industry can bring real
:50:29. > :50:31.
:50:31. > :50:38.insight into the industry. Men the of the universe days have opened
:50:38. > :50:45.campuses abroad. Yesterday, on this visit to a cemetery, a partnership
:50:45. > :50:55.deal was signed between the university and its counterpart in
:50:55. > :50:55.
:50:55. > :50:59.India. We have a great interest in the likes of art history. Calcutta
:50:59. > :51:07.is a city with some fantastic historical links to our country.
:51:07. > :51:13.That is one of the things we want to develop. If there is one thing
:51:13. > :51:20.which defines the industry, it is the crack down on visas which the
:51:20. > :51:26.British Government is threatening. After independence, things could be
:51:26. > :51:35.very different, but before then, we have to make sure we have the best
:51:35. > :51:44.possible reception for students. That is why some of the funds may
:51:44. > :51:49.not find themselves going to Scotland. Many of the student's
:51:49. > :51:57.want to do so or were seized, but many more are now staying at home.
:51:57. > :52:02.That is why we are now introducing a hour programmes in India. As the
:52:02. > :52:06.partnership shifts East, the partnership is now going to we.
:52:06. > :52:09.After long, is this where astute Scottish students will want to
:52:09. > :52:11.study? Joining us in Edinburgh is the
:52:11. > :52:13.Guardian's Scotland correspondent Severin Carrell and with me in
:52:13. > :52:23.Glasgow, the chief reporter for The Herald, Lucy Adams.
:52:23. > :52:29.
:52:29. > :52:39.On that issue of selling markets to India, how impressive in brand his
:52:39. > :52:40.
:52:40. > :52:44.Scottish education? There is this very strong Scottish tradition of
:52:44. > :52:49.engagement, particularly through the Empire and the Indian
:52:49. > :52:54.government. I think, in many ways it is a very attractive one,
:52:54. > :52:59.especially in the likes of Engineering. I suspect it is quite
:52:59. > :53:05.the profoundly strong brand and there is also the strong Scottish
:53:05. > :53:12.intellectual tradition. The is it possible for universities in
:53:12. > :53:18.Scotland to sell the brand to other countries? Is it not just
:53:18. > :53:28.distracting. Should they not just be focusing on educating students
:53:28. > :53:31.
:53:31. > :53:37.here? For the most part, yes. But it is clearly that India is the
:53:37. > :53:42.very interesting place for us to be connected with. Scotland can be
:53:42. > :53:46.criticised for being too inward- looking and to look out towards the
:53:46. > :53:55.other countries such as Brazil, China and India, this is perfect
:53:55. > :53:58.timing. They are all very big growing economies. We have big
:53:58. > :54:02.businesses telling the Chancellor that they are worried about the
:54:02. > :54:10.possibility of Scottish independence. What are the politics
:54:10. > :54:14.involved in this? There is undoubtedly going to be some
:54:14. > :54:20.anxiety and uncertainty about the medium to long-term outlook,
:54:20. > :54:24.because of Scotland has become independent, the independence of a
:54:24. > :54:30.lot of the subsidies and mechanisms that are part of the overall
:54:30. > :54:35.picture in the UK, will undoubtedly change. It is a difficult question
:54:35. > :54:41.for the UK Government to pick. You ask the quite credible question to
:54:41. > :54:49.the Chancellor, name the companies involved. Name companies which have
:54:49. > :54:54.refused to become involved in Scotland. Alex Salmond can then
:54:54. > :55:02.tripped off the trunk a list of other companies that are involved.
:55:02. > :55:06.There is something that Alex Salmond has to recognise here. You
:55:06. > :55:09.have the European crisis and the European debt it is all going to be
:55:09. > :55:18.playing on people's minds. There are a lot of confidence issues he
:55:19. > :55:23.has to wrestle with. People think that this mantra of complete
:55:23. > :55:28.optimism that Scotland is always going to be open for business, is
:55:28. > :55:33.simply not true. It is not just a question of what the UK Government
:55:33. > :55:37.is doing with rich austerity programme, there are much bigger
:55:37. > :55:45.things at play. There is undoubtedly going to be and it
:55:45. > :55:51.issue for investors. There is also going to be uncertainty about what
:55:51. > :56:01.will happen in the run-up to an independence referendum. How much
:56:01. > :56:07.will these issues become part of the economic concerns? They think
:56:07. > :56:11.they will be absolutely crucial. I think most people vote on economic
:56:11. > :56:14.issues. There are so many contradictions coming from
:56:14. > :56:22.politicians. You have the Conservatives talking about the
:56:22. > :56:29.need for confidence, they talk about how the the Eurozone is
:56:29. > :56:34.undermining confidence. Cameron yesterday was talking about that we
:56:34. > :56:39.should prepare for the worst. That is not something which fills people
:56:39. > :56:43.full of confidence. So it will be a critical question and the problem
:56:43. > :56:49.at the minute as there is so much contradiction and uncertainty and,
:56:49. > :56:53.if anything, the Eurozone is the huge cloud over everything. That is
:56:53. > :56:58.creating far more uncertainty than anything to do with Scottish
:56:58. > :57:03.independence. The Labour leader was saying yesterday that as it stands,
:57:03. > :57:07.the UK Government is using that as the clock to say this is the
:57:07. > :57:14.problem, this is why we're not dealing with domestic issues and
:57:14. > :57:20.the economy. Do you think most people realise the impact that the
:57:20. > :57:26.Eurozone crisis could have on them personally? We think that is one of
:57:26. > :57:31.the most frustrating aspects of it. It is very difficult to report,
:57:31. > :57:36.because it is so complicated. The language is the language of
:57:36. > :57:42.technocrats and economists. For people on the street will
:57:42. > :57:47.understand it is virtually impossible. The Guardian was saying
:57:47. > :57:52.that people's pensions will have been down 10 %. These dated a
:57:52. > :57:56.tangible impact of what people want to know about. The arguments
:57:56. > :58:04.between technocrats and politicians and the top of trillions of debt,
:58:04. > :58:07.to the average person and the street, it is almost meaningless.
:58:08. > :58:17.Is it almost a danger of democracy what has happened in the last few
:58:18. > :58:18.
:58:18. > :58:22.weeks? It is a point. The dangers to democracy maybe even more so if
:58:22. > :58:29.the Eurozone collapses. There are obviously key questions which will
:58:29. > :58:35.have to be answered in Europe. They have to build up Democratic
:58:35. > :58:42.confidence. It is one of the ironies that the are now seeing the
:58:42. > :58:47.consequences of the Eurozone crisis is that they're going to have to in
:58:47. > :58:51.increase the interdependence of all the countries. That is all from The
:58:51. > :58:54.Politics Show this week. We will be back at the usual time of 12.30pm