04/12/2011

:00:11. > :00:18.We may have less than a week to save the euro. Nicolas Sarkozy is

:00:18. > :00:23.trying to prevent a collapse with Angela Merkel. They're talking

:00:23. > :00:28.about individual members having less control over tax and spend.

:00:28. > :00:33.The Energy Secretary wants tens of thousands more turbines to run

:00:33. > :00:36.every car in the land. On the Politics Show Scotland: We

:00:36. > :00:40.will bring you the first pictures of those pandas arriving in

:00:40. > :00:43.Edinburgh as we look at the bigger picture of Sino-Scottish relations.

:00:43. > :00:46.What could and should they be? Conflicting signals on the economic

:00:46. > :00:49.front. New independent analysis predicts Scotland faces a lost

:00:49. > :00:54.decade of growth. But our key exports are booming as the

:00:54. > :01:04.government announces a �60 billion infrastructure plan. And life after

:01:04. > :01:04.

:01:04. > :30:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1763 seconds

:30:28. > :30:33.I hope we will see a commanding package from European leaders. We

:30:33. > :30:39.have to give support to the ECB which so far has been denied by the

:30:40. > :30:43.leaders of Europe. There is a fundamental problem that Nicolas

:30:43. > :30:46.Sarkozy and Angela Merkel don't see it in the same way. I think there

:30:46. > :30:54.will probably be a joint paper produced by the friend and the

:30:54. > :30:59.Germans. That will probably look at how do you make sure there is

:30:59. > :31:02.better supervision of the economies within the eurozone. That carries

:31:02. > :31:07.with it quite significant implications in terms of the

:31:07. > :31:13.broader functioning of the EU. Would you support a referendum

:31:13. > :31:17.about a treaty change? The lot is that there should be a referendum

:31:17. > :31:21.if there is a significant change of powers, but let's see what happened

:31:21. > :31:29.next week. I can see how fiscal union could solve the problems

:31:29. > :31:39.going forwards. But we have a continent completely crippled by

:31:39. > :31:45.

:31:45. > :31:50.debt. Countries on the periphery like Greece are not competitive.

:31:50. > :31:57.Does the eurozone have to stay as constituted? It is for the eurozone

:31:57. > :32:03.to make those judgements. There was speculation that Greece might leave

:32:03. > :32:07.in the past. We should be clean and categoric. It is in Britain's

:32:07. > :32:14.interest that the eurozone resolves its problems. Schadenfreude is not

:32:14. > :32:21.a good economic strategy for Britain at the moment. What is a

:32:21. > :32:28.good strategy for Labour in this position? It has been been -- it

:32:28. > :32:32.has been broadly pro-Europe. You are suggesting a more scepticism?

:32:33. > :32:41.Towards the single currency, as was the case in the past. Economics

:32:41. > :32:45.should lead the policy. Resuming Tain a position that economics lead

:32:46. > :32:52.to politics. Rob Lee, we need a clear headed sense of where our

:32:52. > :33:01.national interest if -- national interest is. We have just had a

:33:01. > :33:04.conversation about climate change. The way we can advance global

:33:04. > :33:13.public goods. Our interests are amplified by being part of the EU.

:33:13. > :33:21.We also are part of a global market. Deval -- David Cameron has to

:33:21. > :33:25.secure the interests of 500 million people. Are you sure you can get

:33:25. > :33:35.away with being in the single market if you're not in the fiscal

:33:35. > :33:44.

:33:44. > :33:54.We have heard about the warning of people caught kissing against

:33:54. > :34:04.

:34:04. > :34:09.Ache you could have an emergency brake. There are various ways you

:34:09. > :34:14.can work to protect Britain's national interests. That requires a

:34:14. > :34:19.prime minister that knows what his priorities are. My genuine fear is

:34:19. > :34:24.that if you maintain the position you were overriding national

:34:24. > :34:28.interest is the repatriation of powers, not only will you likely be

:34:28. > :34:35.unsuccessful, but you will not get the guarantees that the British

:34:35. > :34:45.economy so desperately needs. Later, the political impact of

:34:45. > :34:49.

:34:49. > :34:52.Good afternoon and welcome to the Politics Show Scotland. As panda

:34:52. > :34:57.politics puts on a kilt, we will bring you live pictures of Yang

:34:57. > :34:59.Guang and Tian Tian as they are flown into Edinburgh. They are the

:34:59. > :35:02.latest recruits to the diplomatic circuit, a tradition launched in

:35:02. > :35:12.1972, with Pat Nixon, America's First lady, welcoming Ling Ling and

:35:12. > :35:16.

:35:16. > :35:20.Sing Sing to Washington. I think pandemonium will break out.

:35:20. > :35:23.But on the other bear market, it is far from black and white. A new

:35:23. > :35:25.forecast of a lost decade of growth is running alongside booming

:35:25. > :35:27.Scottish exports. We will also investigate a powerful

:35:27. > :35:30.new prescription for tackling illness, empowering people in

:35:30. > :35:35.deprived communities, to have more say how they are run.

:35:35. > :35:45.What we know is that people who lack a sense of control over their

:35:45. > :35:47.

:35:47. > :35:50.lives are less likely... And as Annabelle Goldie focuses on

:35:50. > :35:53.keeping Scotland in the UK, we get her reflections from the back

:35:53. > :35:58.benches on life after leadership. But first, here's the lunchtime

:35:58. > :36:01.news. Two giant pandas from China are due

:36:01. > :36:05.to arrive in Scotland in a little over half an hour's time. Tian Tian

:36:05. > :36:08.and Yang Guang - known as Sweetie and Sunshine - will spend the next

:36:08. > :36:12.decade on loan at Edinburgh Zoo. It is thought they could attract up to

:36:12. > :36:19.a million visitors a year. The zoo's chief executive says it is a

:36:19. > :36:26.big moment for everyone. It is tremendous. After all of

:36:26. > :36:31.these years of planning, today is the day that these two Panda Bears

:36:31. > :36:34.are arriving. The A96 between Aberdeen and

:36:34. > :36:42.Inverness is to be turned into a dual carriageway the Scottish

:36:42. > :36:44.Government has exclusively revealed to BBC Scotland. Work on the �3

:36:44. > :36:47.billion project is expected to begin in 2016. The announcement

:36:47. > :36:50.comes ahead of the publication of the government's capital spending

:36:50. > :36:52.plan this week. Ministers say they will invest billions of pounds in

:36:52. > :36:57.over 80 schemes. We are saying that by 2030 at the

:36:57. > :37:04.latest, we want every city in Scotland linked up by either dual-

:37:04. > :37:09.carriageway or motorway. We're not just intending to do all the A9,

:37:09. > :37:12.also the A96 between Aberdeen and Inverness.

:37:12. > :37:15.Sleet and snow have been falling in parts of west, northern and central

:37:15. > :37:20.Scotland, causing disruption on the roads. Police had to clear a jack-

:37:20. > :37:23.knifed lorry off the M8 near Livingston. A woman was taken to

:37:23. > :37:31.hospital in Perth with minor injuries after a her car crashed in

:37:31. > :37:34.icy conditions near Dunkeld. In all, Tayside Police report seven

:37:34. > :37:37.accidents due to the wintry weather conditions. On a lighter note, this

:37:37. > :37:39.was the scene in Edinburgh Zoo where the penguins certainly felt a

:37:39. > :37:45.where the penguins certainly felt a little more at home in not quite

:37:45. > :37:53.Antarctic conditions. Plenty of showers to come across so

:37:53. > :37:59.when -- Weston, central and northern parts. -- West Ern. There

:37:59. > :38:06.is an amber warning for snow over they had -- the higher ground of

:38:06. > :38:13.many parts of the country. Some brightness in between showers. It

:38:13. > :38:16.brightness in between showers. It will stay cold. Breezy as well.

:38:16. > :38:19.That's all for now. I'm back at 6:15pm this evening with another

:38:19. > :38:26.update. I will now hand you back to Isabel for the rest of the Politics

:38:26. > :38:32.Show. The story of the day is focused on

:38:32. > :38:37.Edinburgh Zoo. Our reporter is on the tarmac at Edinburgh Airport.

:38:37. > :38:43.This deal has been a long time in the making. What you think is its

:38:43. > :38:49.significant? Yes, it has. Five years of

:38:49. > :38:53.negotiations. It has diplomatic significance, trade significance.

:38:53. > :38:58.It is interesting that the First Minister is in China at the moment.

:38:58. > :39:02.I am sure he will be working to help build trade ties. It is a

:39:02. > :39:09.commercial arrangement and there is Conservation involved. Although the

:39:09. > :39:12.Chinese have done a great deal of work on their own, they do like to

:39:12. > :39:18.involve the world community and make sure that people know about

:39:18. > :39:25.conserving these animals. We have expertise here in Edinburgh with a

:39:25. > :39:29.prominent vet School and expert geneticists. There is a feeling

:39:29. > :39:39.that this can help feed into preserving the species for future

:39:39. > :39:41.

:39:41. > :39:48.generations. Panda bears are very famous and there are 300 in reserve

:39:48. > :39:58.in says Shaw and problems. There are only 1,500 in the wild -- in

:39:58. > :39:58.

:39:58. > :40:04.one province. What actually happens at the

:40:04. > :40:12.airport? What will we see? Well, I think it will be very

:40:12. > :40:16.exciting. Many people watching what is going on. The runway is being

:40:16. > :40:22.clear of sleet and snow. The animals will arrive to my left and

:40:22. > :40:27.come along the runway behind me. They will finish up 100 feet away

:40:27. > :40:33.from our camera. We will see them through their perspex Keech as they

:40:33. > :40:41.come -- through their Perspex containers and they will be

:40:41. > :40:45.transported in special trucks do Edinburgh Zoo.

:40:45. > :40:51.These very important animals will get a police escort to Edinburgh

:40:51. > :40:59.Zoo. The motorcade will come along the road and stopped outside the

:40:59. > :41:05.zoo. In the distance, you can hear bagpipes. They will play for the

:41:05. > :41:09.animals as they are led into their enclosures. 100 school children are

:41:09. > :41:19.expected to welcome the animals. There is a lot of hope riding on

:41:19. > :41:20.

:41:20. > :41:26.the shoulders of these giant pandas for these two. They are spending

:41:26. > :41:34.�70,000 just to import bamboo for them. Within the first year, they

:41:34. > :41:37.expect visitor numbers to sewer by about 70%. This zoo is a charity

:41:37. > :41:45.and they do expect to spend a lot of that money on conservation and

:41:45. > :41:52.research. They have their fingers crossed that this pair of adults

:41:52. > :42:01.will produce a pair of cubs. We will return to that story when

:42:01. > :42:08.it they arrived. We're joined by Patrick Harvie to

:42:08. > :42:14.discuss wider trade links with China. In in bra, we have the

:42:14. > :42:19.Mandarin speaking Chief Executive of Scottish Financial Enterprise.

:42:19. > :42:24.The First Minister is making his third visit to China on this trade

:42:24. > :42:29.mission. Before we talk about a wider politics, how important is it

:42:29. > :42:36.that he makes this personal contact? Very important because the

:42:36. > :42:43.Chinese appreciate the continuous effort made by Scottish politicians

:42:43. > :42:46.to keep a very consistent relation ship -- relationship with the

:42:46. > :42:51.Chinese government and people. There has been over 10 years of

:42:51. > :42:55.work and effort by Scottish politicians to promote that link.

:42:55. > :43:05.The Chinese appreciate and recognise these efforts and

:43:05. > :43:09.

:43:09. > :43:14.commitment. The animal, the panda, is a token of friendship. So this

:43:14. > :43:20.matters in Chinese culture, interaction? It does, in terms of

:43:20. > :43:25.promoting the links between these countries there must be political

:43:25. > :43:32.engagement followed by personal and cultural links. This is a package

:43:32. > :43:37.of relationships and it is the way that China deals with other

:43:37. > :43:44.countries are. Several Scottish exports are doing very well in

:43:44. > :43:48.China, but they are looking at engineering, education, tourism and

:43:48. > :43:52.renewables. Given the dire financial straits everyone is in,

:43:52. > :44:01.it is sensible to be trying to promote new relationships with

:44:01. > :44:07.China to develop sustainable growth with them? Stronger relationships

:44:07. > :44:13.with any country is important. Around the world, people are

:44:13. > :44:17.looking at the increasing importance of China. Even before

:44:18. > :44:22.Scotland becomes an independent country, if that is to happen, it

:44:22. > :44:27.is crucial that we try to develop links with other countries. The

:44:27. > :44:32.aspect that is missing so far is what kind of relationships would

:44:32. > :44:36.Scotland have with other countries if we were independent? I think the

:44:36. > :44:39.Scottish Government has the opportunity to start to articulate

:44:39. > :44:49.that. Would be be the kind of country that its human-rights

:44:49. > :44:50.

:44:50. > :44:53.issues front and sector -- front and central? Would we engage with

:44:53. > :44:57.undemocratic and repressive countries in a different way from

:44:57. > :45:01.democratic ones? That does not mean that you do not try to find

:45:01. > :45:06.economic benefits, but I think you have to engage differently and find

:45:06. > :45:09.ways to facilitate not just economic links but things like

:45:09. > :45:15.human rights activism, environmental protection. That

:45:15. > :45:18.seems to be missing so far. I hope that in can develop. You were the

:45:18. > :45:28.private secretary to Jack McConnell when he visited China and raised

:45:28. > :45:32.

:45:32. > :45:36.human rights issues. How difficult It is a well established dialogue.

:45:36. > :45:39.I was involved in some of the discussions between the UK

:45:39. > :45:45.Government and the Chinese government. There is something a

:45:45. > :45:50.little formulaic, both understand each other's position. But we

:45:50. > :45:54.should not overlook the context of human rights in China. When you

:45:54. > :45:59.discuss these things with the Chinese ministers they will always

:45:59. > :46:04.talk about the value they place on basic human rights, freedom from

:46:04. > :46:10.starvation and so on, and these are not trivial issues there. The

:46:10. > :46:14.progress made in the last 20 years there is considerable.

:46:15. > :46:18.Do you think China can be completely immune to what is going

:46:18. > :46:26.on economically in the rest of the world or are we already seen with

:46:26. > :46:31.the fall in growth that there will be some impact from the Euro zone.

:46:31. > :46:35.Yes. Just this week we received delegations from China and that is

:46:35. > :46:39.well understood among stay of policy makers that any idea we had

:46:39. > :46:47.a couple of the years ago what that the economy could be decouple from

:46:47. > :46:50.the rest of the world, it simply is not the case. There is concern

:46:50. > :46:56.about how demand -- a reduction in demand in the West will have an

:46:56. > :47:01.impact on Chinese economic growth. That is a very big issue in China

:47:01. > :47:07.where economic growth is essential to the Communist Party's plans for

:47:07. > :47:12.continuing to open up. Looking at what Scotland has which

:47:12. > :47:20.China may want, where are the most optimistic areas for relationships

:47:20. > :47:25.and sustainable growth? Both have identified key areas for

:47:25. > :47:30.promoting links. Renewables has been a key area. Educational

:47:30. > :47:36.exchanges. Introducing the Mandarin language to Scotland. That is

:47:36. > :47:42.another key area are we are focusing on. Tourism, food and

:47:42. > :47:46.drinks, there has been a good range of sectors which Scotland can

:47:46. > :47:51.promote to China and also of the Chinese business and investors have

:47:52. > :47:57.been looking at opportunities to invest in Scotland also. It works

:47:57. > :48:02.both ways. When we talk about learning

:48:02. > :48:08.Mandarin, is there a sense that on the languages front, or even the

:48:08. > :48:11.renewables front, that this is being taken seriously?

:48:11. > :48:16.Opportunities are being seen. Whether the Government is doing

:48:16. > :48:21.everything it can to explore them remains to be seen. But there are

:48:21. > :48:25.consequences to these issues. There is a huge opportunity to look at

:48:25. > :48:31.renewables. But we should be looking at how China is developing

:48:31. > :48:35.renewables. If they are increasing Hydro, for example, does that

:48:36. > :48:41.include a larger scale clearances of people from land to build dams?

:48:41. > :48:46.If we're talking about exporting salmon from Scotland to China, what

:48:46. > :48:50.is the environmental impact here? They are a range of good and bad

:48:50. > :48:54.practices here in Scotland when it comes to Salmond fishing. We need

:48:54. > :49:00.to think about the environmental consequences for native and wild

:49:00. > :49:03.salmon stocks as well as the local environ mental consequences. I

:49:03. > :49:08.would like to see these opportunities explore but for the

:49:08. > :49:15.Scottish Government to be proactive in terms of a human rights analysis

:49:15. > :49:18.of doing deals. An environmentally analysis of doing deals also. Then

:49:18. > :49:26.let's judge what the correct opportunities are to exploit, based

:49:26. > :49:30.not only on economics but in by the mental and social factors also.

:49:30. > :49:34.Realistically, do you think that politicians will have this at the

:49:34. > :49:41.forefront of their mind? I know this will sound distasteful to

:49:41. > :49:47.Pratt trick, but that there has to be a political realism?

:49:47. > :49:53.Realistically what is the best that Scotland can hope for from China?

:49:53. > :49:56.A couple of points. Firstly, putting to one side any party

:49:57. > :50:02.politics about the constitutional future of the country, it as the

:50:02. > :50:05.case that the relationship with the UK and China is strong and

:50:05. > :50:12.influential and in the short term we should take full advantage of

:50:12. > :50:17.that. On the wider question raised by Patrick, from my own perspective,

:50:17. > :50:21.these are very important issues, there are some very egregious

:50:21. > :50:26.individual cases but we should not allow that to determine the

:50:26. > :50:31.totality of the relationship. There is so much opportunity here. I

:50:31. > :50:38.would argue that so far we have not got to grips with the scale of the

:50:38. > :50:42.opportunity and the amount of work we must per tonne to take advantage.

:50:42. > :50:50.So what are the opportunities? And what are only needing to do that

:50:50. > :50:53.we're not doing at this stage? If financial services, renewables,

:50:53. > :50:58.it is interesting that the Chinese are adopting Borth so we must move

:50:58. > :51:04.quickly and cannot assume that this is a static situation where our

:51:04. > :51:07.technology is ahead of theirs. What really strikes me is that doing

:51:07. > :51:13.business in China is multi- dimensional. You need the support

:51:13. > :51:19.of government, the embassy, and real excellent products to sell. So

:51:19. > :51:24.in many ways we are looking at a big step change in the over all

:51:24. > :51:30.recognition of the scale of the task.

:51:30. > :51:34.Thank you all very much indeed. The past week has seen economic

:51:34. > :51:39.forecast sharply reduced with a big impact on government borrowing and

:51:39. > :51:43.alarming warnings about the impact of the Euro zone collapse. Can it

:51:43. > :51:51.be that bad? Some parts of the economy have done better than

:51:51. > :51:58.others. Other Deane, for instance. That were reset bent -- cent hour

:51:58. > :52:08.business editor. Our love Beth challenge is greater

:52:08. > :52:09.

:52:09. > :52:15.than we thought because the boom was a beggar and the bust was hard.

:52:15. > :52:19.-- hour debt. The chief economic adviser to the

:52:19. > :52:22.Scottish Government says that given the nature of the downturn and

:52:22. > :52:29.unknown risks in Europe of volatility is likely to be even

:52:29. > :52:33.more pronounced. That is underlined by be ITEM Club group of economists

:52:33. > :52:41.who monitor the economy and will tomorrow state that we are facing

:52:41. > :52:47.eye-watering losses. There are forecast is sharply down. But in

:52:47. > :52:52.some parts of the economy things do not look so bad. Whisky exports are

:52:52. > :52:57.up 23%. The premium end of the business is

:52:58. > :53:02.doing well and growth is coming from emerging-markets.

:53:02. > :53:08.The downturn does not seem so bad in Aberdeen where governments --

:53:08. > :53:13.businesses were to the fluctuations of the global oil market. The price

:53:13. > :53:17.of benchmark Brent crude pumped just off the sea bed here has

:53:17. > :53:22.remained relatively stable and high. Bad news for those of us filling up

:53:22. > :53:29.the tanks in our cars but a high Loyer -- a high oil price keeps the

:53:29. > :53:33.economy here motoring. There is talk of an industry at the

:53:33. > :53:38.end of its natural life cycle but in terms of oil and gas we're

:53:38. > :53:43.talking another 40 to 50 years of productivity. And then top of that

:53:43. > :53:48.the potential to diversify into renewables where a lot of companies

:53:48. > :53:53.seek good investments. The oil and gas industry is seen as leading the

:53:53. > :53:59.UK out of recession. That can only be good news for the north-east of

:53:59. > :54:04.Scotland. You can see and feel hear how the

:54:04. > :54:13.economy is thriving. Farms are not just exporting but moving into

:54:13. > :54:16.renewable energy. Or one Aberdeen a farm -- 1 Aberdeen company is

:54:16. > :54:24.taking business from the North Sea to the deep water of Brazil and

:54:24. > :54:33.Angola. There is an absolute buzz here.

:54:33. > :54:43.Unemployment is only 1.4 % here. Some of the wages are you are

:54:43. > :54:44.

:54:44. > :54:48.throwing at people here in Aberdeen is unbelievable.

:54:48. > :54:54.This part of Scotland is particularly interested and

:54:54. > :55:00.infrastructure spend. The City has long awaited -- long awaited a

:55:00. > :55:05.railroad and better links with Inverness and Dundee. With work

:55:05. > :55:11.already underway on the new Forth crossing this week MSPs will hear

:55:11. > :55:21.ministers updated plans. 50 new projects such as roads, bridges

:55:21. > :55:24.

:55:24. > :55:31.ports, housing, and schools. We are looking to dual the it a 96.

:55:31. > :55:35.-- de A96. We're also looking at upgrades to the railway network.

:55:35. > :55:40.Between Aberdeen and Inverness, Inverness and the central belt, and

:55:40. > :55:47.even further down the country. We are actively looking at improving

:55:47. > :55:50.the rail network and the service to Stranraer.

:55:50. > :55:55.Another eagerly awaited announcement regards for enterprise

:55:55. > :56:01.zones. Sectors where tax breaks and special helps with skills will be

:56:01. > :56:06.targeted. In the past, Enterprise has focused on areas in the

:56:06. > :56:09.greatest need of help, with the highest deprivation. Now it is

:56:09. > :56:14.expected the government will focus on areas with the highest potential

:56:14. > :56:18.for growth. That leads to the question as to whether Aberdeen and

:56:18. > :56:23.the north-east will benefit to the expense of others facing the

:56:23. > :56:29.toughest of times. There I am now joined by one of the

:56:29. > :56:34.authors of the ITEM Club report, the deputy convener of the Holyrood

:56:34. > :56:42.a comic can meet -- committee, under Labour spokesperson for

:56:42. > :56:51.infrastructure. -- the Holyrood economic committee. What is your

:56:51. > :56:55.assessment of the most worrying.? The Euro zone crisis. That can

:56:55. > :57:00.derail all the forecasts. If you listen to the Chancellor and the

:57:00. > :57:06.Bank of England you can hear them say they have made forecasts on the

:57:06. > :57:12.basis of the Euro zone hanging together. As have a week. Let's say

:57:12. > :57:16.it does. There will be at least another two years of slow, grinding

:57:16. > :57:21.growth. That does damage to the productive abilities of the economy

:57:21. > :57:25.over that period. It means we are losing economic activity that we

:57:25. > :57:31.will never forget back. In that more than normal recession she

:57:31. > :57:36.might lose economic activity but you bounce-back and catch up. In

:57:36. > :57:41.this episode we look like we are going to be permanently poorer in

:57:41. > :57:47.the long term. That has all sorts of implications in terms of public

:57:47. > :57:54.expenditure, household prospects, how young people feel about their

:57:54. > :57:58.life prospects, their ability to get jobs, so on, and so forth.

:57:58. > :58:03.What can the domestic government do? Given the scenario you have

:58:03. > :58:10.outlined, if the Euro zone imploded - and it looks like our fortunes

:58:10. > :58:16.are tied to the Bundesbank - what can be done?

:58:16. > :58:23.The Bank of England captain to react to a Euro zone blow up but we

:58:23. > :58:30.live in an interconnected world. -- can attempt to react. Growth in the

:58:30. > :58:35.emerging world is putting a high floor under the oil price. That is

:58:35. > :58:41.good news for Aberdeen but hark -- tough news for the rest of us

:58:41. > :58:45.because it acts as a tax on us in the developed world. But how useful

:58:45. > :58:50.will investment in infrastructure be? You're basically shuffling

:58:50. > :58:55.money around the pot. You can argue that the infrastructure investment

:58:55. > :59:00.helps if it helps us over a long period of time to go our economy

:59:00. > :59:06.and make it more efficient. But it is not a solution which will

:59:06. > :59:11.suddenly left us to high growth rates in the short term. It is

:59:11. > :59:17.about the long-term potential and how much our economy grows.

:59:17. > :59:22.We seem to be getting conflicting signals about the economy. Export,

:59:23. > :59:27.whisky, salmon, manufacturing - these have been phenomenally well.

:59:28. > :59:33.Whisky has recently had a �3 billion. So given our exports are

:59:33. > :59:39.doing well, is the picture really so grim and Scotland?

:59:39. > :59:45.We do have great exporters here but when you think about it UK exports

:59:45. > :59:50.are up about 17% yet according to the official data series Scottish

:59:50. > :59:54.exports are led up 7%. So whilst we have some great exporters and real

:59:54. > :59:59.export champions I do not North we have enough companies at the top of

:59:59. > :00:07.the First Division who could easily play in the Premier League. -- I do

:00:07. > :00:14.not know. But presumably they trade

:00:14. > :00:19.delegation to China is well timed? That is fair. We need to find new

:00:19. > :00:29.markets. Your reaction to what the ITEM Club

:00:29. > :00:30.

:00:30. > :00:33.It is not unsurprising that they have come up with these figures.

:00:33. > :00:38.The Scottish Government is trying to work around these figures and

:00:38. > :00:43.make sure that we come through this situation stronger and better.

:00:43. > :00:48.Hence the reason why they have put emphasis on capital investment

:00:48. > :00:52.projects to keep the economy moving and jobs. And make sure we ride

:00:52. > :01:01.this situation better than other parts of the UK. You must welcome

:01:01. > :01:08.that, surely, and particularly the Investment in improving roads?

:01:08. > :01:14.of the projects would be welcome, but unfortunately my understanding

:01:14. > :01:20.is simply confirmation of projects which have already been agreed and

:01:20. > :01:25.for which the funding had previously been allocated. I know

:01:25. > :01:30.that the Scottish Government cut capital spending faster than at the

:01:30. > :01:36.UK Government. Although they often say things that we agree with in

:01:36. > :01:41.terms of capital spending, that proof of the pudding is what they

:01:41. > :01:45.actually do it and they do not have a good record. I know Aberdeen well.

:01:45. > :01:52.One of the constraints on the economy there is the lack of public

:01:52. > :01:57.sector investment in housing. We have a booming private sector, but

:01:57. > :02:02.a stagnant public sector which has not investing in social housing.

:02:02. > :02:08.The Scottish Government has announced plans to cut the housing

:02:08. > :02:12.budget in half. Do you no details yet of the consequential loss?

:02:12. > :02:18.don't. That is part of the difficulty as negotiations are

:02:18. > :02:22.still taking place. These are not all the issues of what drive the

:02:22. > :02:27.Scottish Government. They have identified a number of projects we

:02:27. > :02:32.want to see being delivered. Some of them might have been pre-

:02:32. > :02:36.announced, but it is pulling those resources together to make sure we

:02:36. > :02:41.deliver on those projects to secure the economy. It is about giving the

:02:41. > :02:45.economy confidence in Scotland to allow other sectors to feel the

:02:46. > :02:50.buoyancy that exists in Scotland. To allow that opportunity to take

:02:50. > :02:56.place. If we stop that type of investment, we are sending out that

:02:56. > :03:01.wrong types of message to others in the sector. In terms of confidence,

:03:01. > :03:07.we were expecting to know where the enterprise zones would be and what

:03:07. > :03:10.they are by the end of this month. Do we have that? I am not privy to

:03:10. > :03:15.ministerial discussions, but clearly There are a number of

:03:15. > :03:23.factors in play. We want to make sure we don't fall into that same

:03:23. > :03:32.traps as the 1980s and make sure we're developing the UMPIRE: -- we

:03:32. > :03:36.are developing the areas that are appropriate. And ones which can

:03:36. > :03:44.deliver the best benefit for the investment that he explains. What

:03:44. > :03:51.do you make of that? It fit it is not the most deprived areas that

:03:51. > :03:56.they would often go to? We have a worry about enterprise zones in

:03:56. > :04:01.general. They did not work in the previous model. It created short-

:04:01. > :04:06.term employment in that specific location. Looking over a ten-year

:04:06. > :04:09.period, it was clear that those jobs had simply been displaced from

:04:09. > :04:15.one community to another. Many communities would love something

:04:15. > :04:19.new to be done, especially where regeneration funding has been cut

:04:19. > :04:23.back. For them, that might be a great opportunity. But the evidence

:04:23. > :04:28.is that what they do is very short term and very local and doesn't

:04:28. > :04:34.actually create employment itself. Well-targeted public investment can

:04:34. > :04:41.create employment, especially when combined with private funding. But

:04:41. > :04:44.nothing we have heard yet from the Government at Westminster or

:04:44. > :04:51.Holyrood gives me confidence that they will be a any better than 30

:04:51. > :05:00.years ago. That is part of the discussions which are run going.

:05:00. > :05:04.The private sector, local authorities, COSLA, Scottish

:05:04. > :05:12.Enterprise are looking at the resources available and how to use

:05:12. > :05:22.them to best ad vantage. -- best advantage. That will hopefully

:05:22. > :05:23.

:05:23. > :05:29.spread to the rest of the economy and will create jobs. We should

:05:29. > :05:35.know in the early spring? Hopefully early next year. What about that,

:05:35. > :05:38.and that work forces should be far more flexible? He has a point. He

:05:38. > :05:45.has always been the drum to encourage people to realise how

:05:45. > :05:49.much employment there is in the oil industry. I have mentioned already

:05:49. > :05:56.the lack of investment in rented housing. We think that is really

:05:56. > :06:01.important. There is an issue around training and skills. Access to

:06:01. > :06:08.trained technicians is difficult as well as graduate engineers. We have

:06:08. > :06:15.a real concern about this year's Scottish Budget and cutting

:06:15. > :06:22.education. We think that will only damage six Cecil industries --

:06:22. > :06:26.successful industries in Scotland. Thank you. We can now see pictures

:06:26. > :06:34.of Tian Tian and Yang Guang arriving in Edinburgh. You can hear

:06:34. > :06:44.the bagpipes. The headline writers were beside themselves with

:06:44. > :06:56.

:06:56. > :07:01.happiness this morning. -- P-Day landings etc... I am listening this

:07:01. > :07:08.is the first time that the animals will have heard bagpipes. We all

:07:08. > :07:15.return to that when we see them being unloaded.

:07:15. > :07:18.Now let's cross to Glenn Campbell in Beijing, where we are following

:07:18. > :07:25.the First Minister's trade mission. What does he want to get out of

:07:25. > :07:29.this trip? I suppose it seems quite strange that as the pandas have

:07:29. > :07:35.flown West to Scotland that the First Minister has flown east. He

:07:35. > :07:39.was joking that it was a two-for- one deal. Whilst we get to keep the

:07:39. > :07:44.pandas and hopefully they will entertain us for 10 years, he has

:07:44. > :07:50.only 10 days here in China. It is his third visit, but he is seeking

:07:50. > :07:55.to impress the authorities and impress business year to try to

:07:55. > :07:59.build-up Scotland's trade and cultural links with China. This is

:07:59. > :08:07.already the world's second largest economy and it is still growing. It

:08:07. > :08:11.has slowed slightly lately. The First Minister sees an opportunity

:08:11. > :08:17.for a Scottish business to do deals here. And perhaps for China to

:08:17. > :08:21.invest in Scotland. We have been hearing in the studio that it is

:08:21. > :08:26.very a urgent politically that Scotland develops new markets like

:08:26. > :08:31.China. Do you think there is fire under the feet of this business and

:08:31. > :08:35.they have to come home with something sustainable? Well, I

:08:35. > :08:43.think the imperative is certainly there when you consider the current

:08:43. > :08:51.economic situation. We're looking at a return to recession in the UK,

:08:51. > :08:56.and if not that then a prolonged period of a very low growth. We

:08:56. > :09:06.can't seek to Europe because The Apprentice -- pretty much in the

:09:06. > :09:11.

:09:11. > :09:17.same boat. Even though things have slowed a little in China, they

:09:17. > :09:21.still have trillions of dollars available to invest in Scottish

:09:21. > :09:25.Asset Management and spend in the development of renewable energy

:09:25. > :09:30.technology in Scotland. These are the sorts of deals the First

:09:30. > :09:37.Minister would like to see done. Briefly, we have heard how

:09:37. > :09:42.important it is to have personal contact in China. This is the First

:09:42. > :09:49.Minister's third visit there. What is the personal interaction for him,

:09:49. > :09:54.do you think? Will, I think it is certainly important. -- well. One

:09:54. > :09:58.thing I have learned here is that in order to do good business there

:09:59. > :10:04.must be good relations and a mutual understanding of history and

:10:04. > :10:09.culture. That is why when the premier came to the UK, he started

:10:09. > :10:14.his visit at the birthplace of Shakespeare. The First Minister has

:10:14. > :10:19.been visiting the ancient tombs where emperors are visited.

:10:19. > :10:22.Tomorrow, he will sign at cultural agreement with the Chinese

:10:22. > :10:28.government. That is thought that will underpin a prosperous

:10:28. > :10:31.relationship between our two countries. Thank you.

:10:31. > :10:34.Giving people a greater say in the way their communities are run could

:10:34. > :10:37.be the route to improving the nation's health. That is the idea

:10:37. > :10:39.behind the assets approach. Championed by Scotland's Chief

:10:39. > :10:43.Medical officer Harry Burns, it makes a link between how much

:10:43. > :10:46.control people feel they have over their own lives and ill health. It

:10:46. > :10:49.is being piloted on two estates, one in Clackmannanshire, the other

:10:49. > :10:59.in Kilmarnock in East Ayrshire, where we sent our reporter to take

:10:59. > :11:04.

:11:04. > :11:11.a look at how it works. These nine-year-old girls are

:11:11. > :11:15.planning a menu for a Christmas party. This centre is based in

:11:15. > :11:23.Kilmarnock, the setting for the controversial documentary series,

:11:23. > :11:31.this scheme. The area has high levels of ill-health and

:11:31. > :11:34.unemployment. The volunteers that the project want to give children a

:11:34. > :11:42.greater say in the way that things are run to help turn around their

:11:42. > :11:46.future. People say that the return of problems is not having control

:11:46. > :11:51.over their own lives. We want these children to have control over what

:11:51. > :11:54.they want to do with their lives. We're helping them achieve things

:11:54. > :12:01.in their education that the maybe did not think the car could achieve.

:12:01. > :12:11.It is proving popular with the children's. I like playing, like,

:12:11. > :12:15.

:12:15. > :12:22.well on the computer. I got help to pass my test for. Solutions at this

:12:22. > :12:28.project come from within the community, not imposed from outside.

:12:28. > :12:32.These skills are already in the community. It is not about money.

:12:32. > :12:42.We are the assets of the community working with young people who are

:12:42. > :12:45.

:12:45. > :12:53.the assets of the future. That is the message this police sergeant is

:12:53. > :12:57.trying to get across. He is working with the council and other agencies

:12:57. > :13:02.to listen to the community to find out how they can help them to help

:13:02. > :13:07.themselves. It is not easy. A lot of community members are very keen.

:13:07. > :13:14.Momentum is picking up. The more that people learned about it, the

:13:14. > :13:20.more they are prepared to come on board. This estate in Cornwall is

:13:20. > :13:28.the inspiration behind the project. In the early 1990s, it was very

:13:28. > :13:33.deprived. By the year 2,000, crime had fallen by half and child

:13:33. > :13:39.protection cases dropped by 40%. Unemployment was down by 70% for.

:13:40. > :13:48.It felt like a bottomless pit of need on this one is state. Everyone

:13:48. > :13:52.else was looking the other way. The difference for us, I think was that

:13:52. > :13:57.we felt differently and we saw the community and the residents as the

:13:57. > :14:02.solution to the problems we were having, and not the problem.

:14:02. > :14:11.was invited to spread the word about her work at a conference in

:14:11. > :14:21.Stirling. People who lack a sense of control over their lives are

:14:21. > :14:27.

:14:27. > :14:33.less likely... This approach attempts to activate and energise

:14:33. > :14:39.and develop within individuals a sense of being able to be in

:14:39. > :14:43.control, a sense of moving forward into the future, a sense of wanting

:14:43. > :14:49.to do the right thing for their health. For example, less likely to

:14:49. > :14:52.smoke and more likely to exercise. It is not just about that. It is

:14:52. > :14:59.about being in control over the more complex social interactions as

:14:59. > :15:05.well. At the north-west youth projects, they are confident that

:15:05. > :15:12.they are run the Reich tracks. will be issued for the community. -

:15:12. > :15:20.- that they are all on at the right track. It only takes a few people

:15:20. > :15:30.to put the wheels in motion. Five residents initially put the wheels

:15:30. > :15:33.in motion. That grew to 25. Then 100. Then eventually the whole

:15:33. > :15:38.community of 6,000. It is unbelievable that change. It is a

:15:38. > :15:48.joy to be there now. People working in these Scottish communities hope

:15:48. > :15:58.the same will be said about their progress as in the improvement in

:15:58. > :16:02.

:16:02. > :16:06.What sort of work are you involved I am with the violence reduction

:16:06. > :16:13.Unit. The assets approach involves ordinary people doing extraordinary

:16:13. > :16:18.things. Each of us has an asset of some kind, be it a basic skill or

:16:18. > :16:24.teaching a subject in school. We're attempting to roll these assets out

:16:24. > :16:28.into the wider community. If we go back to the fundamental

:16:28. > :16:34.premise, what is the link between feeling you have no control over

:16:34. > :16:39.your life and mental and physical well-being?

:16:39. > :16:44.Future. That has been shown in lot of different studies in the various

:16:44. > :16:51.different aspects. -- it is huge. The Whitehall study was completely

:16:51. > :16:55.unexpected. It looked at the health of local managers and it was

:16:55. > :17:00.discovered that the high up you where the less stress you had and

:17:00. > :17:05.the better your health. It was the junior workers in organisations

:17:05. > :17:10.that had the worst health. It became clear that it was about

:17:10. > :17:15.control. Having control over your life, been able to make decisions

:17:16. > :17:19.for yourself, been able to say yes or no, it is hugely significant for

:17:19. > :17:25.health and it is not taken on board adequately by people who provide

:17:25. > :17:29.services. In Glasgow, for example, services provide for people but in

:17:29. > :17:33.a way that undermines them and does not give them control. So we should

:17:33. > :17:37.not expect health benefits even though we are spending money on

:17:38. > :17:41.regeneration. It is interesting that the

:17:41. > :17:48.discourse surrounding health the talks about ground up rather than

:17:48. > :17:52.top down. Is there an awareness that we had not seen before?

:17:52. > :17:57.Absolutely. We have turned the corner. People understand that you

:17:57. > :18:00.can spend lots of money but if you do it in a way whereby you are

:18:00. > :18:06.doing it to people, then they will not be as involved or think they

:18:06. > :18:10.are the ones making a difference. How difference is it to get people

:18:10. > :18:16.involved law? There could be an aspect of low self-confidence. When

:18:16. > :18:21.you try to engage and energise a community how difficult can that be,

:18:21. > :18:26.and can you always reach the kind of people that you want to reach?

:18:26. > :18:31.It is a slow process. We tell people that at the start. We

:18:31. > :18:37.attempt to gain trust and we avoid terms like project and initiative.

:18:37. > :18:42.Because they come and go when funds run out. So we tell them, the only

:18:42. > :18:46.promise we're making is to raise your hopes and aspirations and

:18:46. > :18:52.empowered you to do things for your community.

:18:52. > :18:57.What kind of things? You have to work alongside

:18:57. > :19:01.different services from the public sector. We have had full strategic

:19:01. > :19:05.by and from local councils and the police. They are keen to develop

:19:05. > :19:12.the approach. Through listening events we locate the source of

:19:12. > :19:15.energy, if you like. Each neighbourhood has won. Be that in

:19:15. > :19:22.relation to anti-social behaviour, the housing stock, on employment,

:19:22. > :19:26.every neighbourhood is unique. So people come for an say, these

:19:26. > :19:33.are our priorities, this is what should happen, this is what we need

:19:33. > :19:37.to do to make it happen? Absolutely. Like the youth projects

:19:37. > :19:43.in Kilmarnock. But that is just one aspect of this approach. Another

:19:43. > :19:48.example is an elderly chap who started an archery club. The term

:19:48. > :19:52.is immaterial. The main part of the initiative is bringing together

:19:52. > :19:57.young people with old people. Inter-generational, breaking down

:19:57. > :20:03.barriers. It builds trust and people feel safe in one another's

:20:03. > :20:09.company. Rebuilding community spirit then?

:20:09. > :20:13.That is already there. It is about cohesion.

:20:13. > :20:16.What seems to be a problem with other projects is that people do

:20:16. > :20:23.engage and a keen on interaction but then the money goes and there

:20:23. > :20:29.is no ongoing support. This surely must be an ongoing problem?

:20:29. > :20:33.Yes. And what is different here is that if it is a shaft in the way

:20:33. > :20:37.agencies were, if they see themselves as a catalyst and

:20:37. > :20:42.enabler in supporting local people who are primarily in the driving

:20:42. > :20:46.seat, then that is different. That is not a project, it is a different

:20:46. > :20:50.style of working. If we can get that we have achieved something

:20:50. > :20:53.genuinely different to what has gone before.

:20:53. > :21:00.But can we always be confident of reaching the people will benefit

:21:00. > :21:05.most? Are a lot of this is about seeing

:21:05. > :21:08.people in a different way. Much more active in their lives. The

:21:08. > :21:12.benefits for young people looking at those in their community and

:21:12. > :21:20.seen them in charge of their lives, is huge.

:21:20. > :21:24.Is it that you're experience? My colleagues working in this area

:21:24. > :21:28.completely encourage this approach. We have discovered tremendous asset

:21:28. > :21:34.to are already reaching the people you are talking about. They attend

:21:34. > :21:39.a hour or monthly events. Each event is themed. Health, employment,

:21:39. > :21:44.whatever it might be. These people meet the service providers face to

:21:44. > :21:48.face and shape the services of the future.

:21:48. > :21:53.Thank you very much. The Conservative back benches now,

:21:53. > :21:58.where Annabel Goldie is focusing her political energies after

:21:58. > :22:06.leadership on keeping Scotland in the Union. But life remains a

:22:06. > :22:10.challenge. I asked her to reflect on her time at the helm.

:22:10. > :22:15.Just about every day brought something you could not foresee.

:22:15. > :22:22.That is the nature of politics. It is one of the most unpredictable

:22:22. > :22:29.fields of activity you can imagine. That is what is exhilarating about

:22:29. > :22:35.it. You never do quite know from one day to the next what will

:22:35. > :22:39.happen. I always remember, I do not know it was my first speech to the

:22:39. > :22:44.conference after becoming leader, but I was very nervous and remember

:22:44. > :22:50.saying to everybody, is this in place? Is that in place? I drove

:22:50. > :22:54.them round the bend, to be honest. Somebody eventually said, can down,

:22:54. > :23:00.all you need to do is walk onto the stage, greet the audience and walk

:23:00. > :23:06.to the microphone. For all the life of me I could not see any speech,

:23:06. > :23:12.any piece of this lectern where you could conceal a speech, and then I

:23:12. > :23:18.realised there was no speech at all! So why at two walk-on and

:23:18. > :23:28.endeavour to cover up by eight saying openly, my appeals will be

:23:28. > :23:29.

:23:29. > :23:34.enhanced if I know where the speech as! Somebody rushed on.

:23:34. > :23:42.You have often used humour to defuse a hostile situations, and

:23:42. > :23:47.then often used it as a weapon. There is a place for humour. It can

:23:47. > :23:53.lighten or sharpen a situation. But you must be careful not in

:23:53. > :23:58.deploying a shoe market to diminish or trivialise a situation. --

:23:58. > :24:04.deployed in humour. I would hate to think I have ever done that. But it

:24:04. > :24:10.can sometimes put people at ease or illustrate a point more graphically

:24:10. > :24:20.than some other mode of approach. Sometimes the humour is just the

:24:20. > :24:23.quickest way to uproot a we pen and a bit of pomposity.

:24:23. > :24:30.Who will keep these two under control? Grab them by the short-

:24:30. > :24:33.term car lease? Unfortunately for the First

:24:33. > :24:40.Minister, patting himself on the back does not count as Physical

:24:40. > :24:46.Education! You must respect the courage and

:24:46. > :24:51.integrity of people who do make with you. But they too have a

:24:51. > :24:56.obligation. -- people who it debate with you. You must not diminish

:24:56. > :25:01.their debate with mindless attacks on opponents. That is denigrated

:25:01. > :25:07.and self diminishing. I am not saying I have not stepped over the

:25:07. > :25:13.line from time to time. I probably have. But as a rule, always

:25:13. > :25:18.remember the arguments, what you are trying to communicate and why.

:25:18. > :25:22.People would say that this persona has always been effective. Your

:25:22. > :25:27.personal ratings have always been higher there than the party. Is

:25:27. > :25:31.this something you have contrived to do because everybody needs a

:25:31. > :25:39.shield in public life? What do you think that one of your strengths is

:25:39. > :25:44.that you are 100% authentic? You have to be yourself. People can

:25:44. > :25:49.agree or disagree but at least they know where you're coming from and

:25:49. > :25:54.why. It would be good for politics if we could encourage more people

:25:54. > :26:00.to be less obedient to the preconceived shape of what it is to

:26:00. > :26:04.be a member of their party, and may be just a little more prepared from

:26:04. > :26:09.time to time to beat themselves. Because you can do that without

:26:09. > :26:16.being disloyal or causing difficulty to your party. I think

:26:16. > :26:26.it might be a breath of fresh air in politics If we just got

:26:26. > :26:28.

:26:28. > :26:33.Unleashed from time to time. There is a lot of vibration here!

:26:33. > :26:37.It is liberating. Do not get me wrong, I loved being the leader. It

:26:37. > :26:41.gave me pleasure and I could not have done it if that were not the

:26:41. > :26:50.case. But I am very positive about the life I am rapidly rediscovering.

:26:50. > :26:55.I have always been keen on board watching. In the air where I live

:26:55. > :27:05.in Bishopton, near to the Clyde estuary, it is a marvellous place

:27:05. > :27:10.

:27:10. > :27:16.for watching belts. It is relaxing and peaceful. -- bird watching. It

:27:16. > :27:21.is pretty rich in diversity in terms of a wildlife here. The

:27:21. > :27:31.greatest compliment I was paid by the media was being compared with

:27:31. > :27:33.

:27:33. > :27:42.more prune. -- Maw Broon. You just have to let hostile comments at

:27:42. > :27:47.roll off you. It is quite a discipline though.

:27:47. > :27:55.I don't know. I am fortunate. I have a great family and friends.

:27:55. > :28:02.Lots of interests. These were the things, for example the charge,

:28:02. > :28:08.very important. -- the Church. I hoped that these things would

:28:08. > :28:13.continue to keep me grounded. I never lost sight of the compass

:28:13. > :28:19.point that I endeavoured to keep fixed upon. It was not about me. I

:28:19. > :28:26.was not all that important in the whole thing. It was about the job I

:28:26. > :28:30.had to do. To look back on today and ahead to

:28:30. > :28:34.next week and joined now by a political correspondent and the

:28:34. > :28:39.environmentally editor of the Sunday Herald. Have you taken time

:28:39. > :28:45.out from visiting the zoo to be here?

:28:45. > :28:49.No. It makes me queasy to be quite honest. Yes, there are important

:28:49. > :28:56.elements, attractive animals, important things to say about our

:28:56. > :29:04.relationship with China, but would I go to see them? North. Probably

:29:04. > :29:09.yes if my kids were still young. So, flexible principles!

:29:09. > :29:14.What I will say which is a bit cheeky as, I gather Alex Salmond

:29:14. > :29:22.and Jeremy Clarkson are both in China right now. Wouldn't a swap of

:29:22. > :29:26.be a good long-term arrangement! Speaking about renewables now, some

:29:26. > :29:31.very interesting relationships have been set up about research and

:29:31. > :29:35.exchange of renewables. Where is that going?

:29:35. > :29:39.One of the problems with China is that it will build more coal-fired

:29:39. > :29:43.power stations than anyone else and contribute a massive amount of

:29:43. > :29:47.pollution which will wreck the climate in the future. So anything

:29:47. > :29:53.we can do to persuade them to go more renewable is bound to be a

:29:53. > :29:57.good thing. How persuasive our hour powers

:29:57. > :30:03.these day if we are actually over there with the begging bowl, to be

:30:03. > :30:09.blunt? On one level we have no choice but

:30:10. > :30:16.to engage. The politics is very interesting. The constitutional

:30:16. > :30:21.question is all wrapped up in this. These pandas have been gifted to do

:30:21. > :30:25.it United Kingdom, say ministers, not Scotland. Alex Salmond and the

:30:25. > :30:31.other hand emphasises that this it builds on the friendship and links

:30:31. > :30:36.between Scotland and China. We were talking earlier about the

:30:36. > :30:46.human rights question. Is this the correct climate to raise that, or

:30:46. > :30:46.

:30:46. > :30:51.inevitably, will this be watered I think you would be wrong if Alex

:30:51. > :30:55.Salmond comes back from China without their least raising the

:30:55. > :31:01.issue of human rights because it is fundamental. There are many things

:31:01. > :31:06.wrong with human rights in China. But one suspects he might do it on

:31:06. > :31:12.a quiet because there are so many commercial opportunities. That is a

:31:12. > :31:16.little uncomfortable for me. In the look at the new figures about the

:31:16. > :31:22.economy and is critical meeting in terms of what happens in the

:31:22. > :31:26.eurozone, we had a poor economic forecast and that was the best case

:31:26. > :31:32.scenario. Do you think the penny has dropped with us all about what

:31:32. > :31:35.could be coming down the road here? I don't think it has. I think there

:31:35. > :31:45.is a slight Disconnect in Scotland where it seems to be regarded as

:31:45. > :31:47.

:31:47. > :31:52.somebody else's problem. The SNP and Alex Salmond, who has a

:31:52. > :31:57.background as an economist, are almost silent on this issue. That

:31:57. > :32:01.said, all of the parties in Scotland are guilty to a similar

:32:01. > :32:04.extent. The Scottish constitutional bobbled which thinks only about

:32:04. > :32:09.internal matters of the constitution and not about arguably

:32:09. > :32:16.much more important things going on in Europe. It is difficult to see

:32:16. > :32:25.this going well. The direction of travel seems clear, closer fiscal

:32:25. > :32:31.unity. But this could drag on for years and this is not what the

:32:31. > :32:36.markets one. Do you think domestic politicians -- how much power do

:32:36. > :32:41.domestic politicians have if that is the scenario we're moving

:32:41. > :32:49.towards a? Less than they probably think they have. I am not an expert

:32:49. > :32:59.on the eurozone. I like using Euros, but I worry about whether reckon

:32:59. > :33:01.

:33:01. > :33:04.use them next year. Alex Salmond in China, will he make an influence?