:00:49. > :00:53.In the south, will it be Armageddon day for the unions or the council
:00:53. > :00:58.in Southampton? Tomorrow is the deadline for signing new contracts,
:00:58. > :01:08.but the unions are planning new strikes. And the police i in the
:01:08. > :01:08.
:01:08. > :40:34.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2366 seconds
:40:34. > :40:40.Welcome to the part of the show for us in the south. On Today show,
:40:40. > :40:44.coppers Are lose their choppers. MoD top brass get a rocket. And
:40:44. > :40:50.council staff get golden hellos to stay in their jobs. That is
:40:50. > :40:55.probably enough puns. So to defence. Locally, all three branches of the
:40:55. > :40:59.armed services have been in the spotlight. The RAF moved his
:40:59. > :41:09.Hercules fleet but there is a housing shortage at prices so many
:41:09. > :41:10.
:41:10. > :41:15.of those leaving are in temporary competition --. With the ongoing
:41:15. > :41:21.operations in Libya just how much strain has the strategic defence
:41:21. > :41:25.review put on our armed services? With me is the Conservative MP for
:41:25. > :41:32.Bournemouth East and a former soldier. A former NATO commander
:41:32. > :41:37.and in charge of strategic work at the MoD. Tobias, you have been to
:41:37. > :41:41.Afghanistan as a former soldier, spoken to soldiers many times, come
:41:41. > :41:47.back and spoken to them and their families, do you think your
:41:47. > :41:52.government has changed the way that chip -- troops are equipped? Armed
:41:52. > :41:57.forces are always changing the way they do things. We have to adapt to
:41:57. > :42:00.new scenarios. Afghanistan was a very different type of war.
:42:00. > :42:04.Therefore there was a continual learning curve that we had to go
:42:05. > :42:09.through. Therefore the equipment used when we started is different
:42:09. > :42:15.to what we use now. Have you put right a lot of the problems you
:42:15. > :42:20.identified? Yes, if you speak to the soldiers now, equipment is not
:42:20. > :42:25.an issue. You will not hear many complaints about equipment. It is
:42:25. > :42:30.some of the best compared with some of our NATO allies. The body armour
:42:30. > :42:35.that we have, the vehicles, the helicopters, we have invested a lot
:42:35. > :42:41.of effort to get it right. We went out there with snatch Land-Rovers,
:42:41. > :42:44.there was a lot of anger about that, using equipment designed for
:42:44. > :42:48.Northern Ireland. Completely inappropriate with the last
:42:48. > :42:53.government to send our trip to Afghanistan with that. That has now
:42:53. > :42:58.been moved away and we have the right equipment. He talked about
:42:58. > :43:04.helicopters, 12 new helicopters. Those now look like they may be in
:43:04. > :43:07.doubt again. The 12 helicopters in order are still being looked at.
:43:07. > :43:11.That is separate to what is required in Afghanistan.
:43:11. > :43:15.Helicopters are required in a major label to move troops around. We
:43:15. > :43:21.have now learned that Tarmac in Rhodes and allowing vehicles to
:43:21. > :43:26.move safely is just as good a way it to mean that we do not need as
:43:26. > :43:31.many helicopters as in the past. Chris, do you think the government
:43:31. > :43:36.is thinking about the way our troops are equipped? I think there
:43:36. > :43:40.was continuous process going on over a period of change from the
:43:40. > :43:44.last government to the present. Difficulties were recognised. We
:43:44. > :43:48.got a grip on a strategy, because I do not think there was previously
:43:49. > :43:53.won either with the Americans all our cells. We now have a well
:43:53. > :43:59.defined task and it is much easier to equipped a well defined task. We
:43:59. > :44:03.have moved out of hell manned which it is a real problem for us. The
:44:03. > :44:07.United States have moved in. We have a coherent plan on the ground
:44:07. > :44:13.for dealing with the issues that are at stake there. I still wonder,
:44:13. > :44:17.though, whether we have identified what our end state is going to be.
:44:17. > :44:22.The conditions for success have not been defined identified. I have a
:44:22. > :44:26.real worry that we tell the Taliban and elements of Al-Qaeda that we
:44:27. > :44:31.want to be out of here in 20 porting politically. Whether that
:44:31. > :44:39.is militarily sensible, I have doubts. Do you think the government
:44:39. > :44:44.is clearly defining what we ask our troops to do? If we go across to
:44:44. > :44:49.Libya, I think there is an absence of strategy. The requirement was to
:44:49. > :44:53.get in quickly to stop a massacre and the United Nations resolution
:44:53. > :44:58.now what is being used in a very imaginative way to a UN force
:44:58. > :45:05.regime changed. I'll we clearly defining what our troops are being
:45:05. > :45:07.asked to do, Tobias? What is the endgame in Libya and in these
:45:07. > :45:13.African countries? Are we saying we are going to spread Western
:45:13. > :45:16.democracy? That would be absolutely wrong. We are giving the
:45:16. > :45:24.opportunity for countries to redefine themselves. The reason why
:45:24. > :45:30.we had this resolution was to present -- prevent a massacre. We
:45:30. > :45:34.have not my intrudes as in Iraq telling the country what to do. It
:45:34. > :45:38.is the Libyans themselves that are defining where they want to go. We
:45:38. > :45:43.are preventing a massacre providing humanitarian support allowing them
:45:44. > :45:47.to work out where they want to go. That is all we can do, isn't it?
:45:47. > :45:51.think we should have been more honest when we went in there. We
:45:51. > :45:58.have gone well beyond what the resolution intended and that was to
:45:58. > :46:03.stop a massacre. The French are arming the it rebels and we have
:46:03. > :46:07.Libyans of -- civilians buying today. So what would you asked this
:46:08. > :46:14.government to do today? Our as the government to go back to the United
:46:14. > :46:20.Nations and say, we have done what you initially task us to do, what
:46:20. > :46:24.is the next step? Because we have President Obama, the Prime Minister,
:46:24. > :46:29.presidents are cosy, all saying there is no future with Gaddafi
:46:29. > :46:34.there. That was not at all part of what the African union or that Arab
:46:34. > :46:37.League or the United Nations said. One of the problems in the past is
:46:37. > :46:42.as working unilaterally or with America doing what we think is
:46:42. > :46:45.right. This time is different. We approach the United Nations to get
:46:45. > :46:50.a resolution and we need international support. We would not
:46:50. > :46:54.have got that if we marched in with bit on the ground. We are providing
:46:54. > :46:58.humanitarian aid. The resolution allows us to implement the no-fly
:46:58. > :47:03.zone. There is an impatience because some people would like to
:47:03. > :47:08.see the removal of Gaddafi much quicker. The resolution does not
:47:08. > :47:13.allow us to do that. We are tied in what we can do. We must are now the
:47:14. > :47:19.agreement that was set by the United Nations. Thank you very much.
:47:19. > :47:25.The emergency services sharing so sit has been part of a mantra to
:47:25. > :47:33.cut costs. As reported from Dorset, the sky is not the limit when it
:47:33. > :47:39.comes to finding savings. A severely disabled missing man is
:47:39. > :47:44.recovered from Wareham Forest found by ferment -- thermal imaging
:47:45. > :47:49.cameras. The craft attends more than 1000 incidents a year. With
:47:49. > :47:53.the force facing cuts of 18 million, Chief Constable wants to join the
:47:53. > :47:58.National Air Support Scheme sharing helicopters with neighbouring
:47:58. > :48:05.forces to Chamonix. We are not abandoning anything, we are in a
:48:05. > :48:14.position where we can move forward. We can share a facility at under
:48:14. > :48:18.half the cost we are paying now. Dorset helicopter does not just
:48:18. > :48:21.risk on it too serious in its Siddons.
:48:21. > :48:25.Winchester Crown course features the work of a police helicopter
:48:25. > :48:35.weather in gathering evidence, surveillance or taking photographs
:48:35. > :48:38.to give to a jury to explain their location in an investigation.
:48:38. > :48:42.By sharing a helicopter with neighbouring counties, Dorset
:48:42. > :48:46.police are planning to reduce flying time, halve costs and save
:48:46. > :48:50.�1 million. What about the practicalities? That is exactly
:48:50. > :48:54.what is happening in Hampshire where they are sharing their
:48:54. > :49:00.services with their neighbours. have helicopters come from here in
:49:00. > :49:03.North tonsure, another in Sussex, we will soon move into a national
:49:03. > :49:09.service if all forces in the country agree and the cost will go
:49:09. > :49:14.down again. At that point there will be 23 helicopters that can
:49:14. > :49:17.move around. Back in Dorset, the Police Federation are concerned
:49:17. > :49:23.that sharing a helicopter with neighbouring forces could have
:49:23. > :49:27.serious consequences. To scale back the service provider, I think is
:49:27. > :49:32.worrying because it is a vast county. My concern is that to cut
:49:32. > :49:36.back on the service provided could put lives at risk. A Hampshire
:49:36. > :49:41.Police Federation say the move to sharing helicopters has so far been
:49:41. > :49:47.fairly smooth. When Hampshire started to look at the prospect of
:49:47. > :49:51.sharing, we were concerned at the drop-off service. I have to say,
:49:51. > :49:55.since the collaboration and the sharing of helicopters, we have had
:49:55. > :49:58.a really good feedback from officers on the ground he said the
:49:58. > :50:04.helicopters are very dynamic, responsive, available when needed,
:50:04. > :50:07.so I would try to reassure my friends in Dorset that we have seen
:50:08. > :50:13.an increase in usage of air support and the officers he we represent
:50:13. > :50:16.are very grateful. Hampshire's chief constable is also co-
:50:16. > :50:20.ordinating the new air support scheme and says collaboration with
:50:20. > :50:26.neighbouring forces is the only way forward. That is despite reducing
:50:26. > :50:31.the number of helicopters by almost a third. I think all the cuts come
:50:31. > :50:39.with risks, but on this occasion, by placing the aircraft in the
:50:39. > :50:44.right places and ignoring the borders, no, I do not think there
:50:44. > :50:50.will be any loss of service at all. Just a reduction in cost. Among the
:50:50. > :50:54.rank and file, but there is a sadness that such an eye-catching
:50:54. > :50:58.tall in the fight against crime may be destined to spend more time on
:50:58. > :51:03.the ground to save money. We are all aware that times are
:51:03. > :51:10.tough in policing and the finances have been cut back, but without
:51:10. > :51:17.this, but we would not save lives. Without it, there will be prices to
:51:17. > :51:21.pay. Monday 11th July, Armageddon day
:51:21. > :51:25.according to the unions involved in the dispute with Southampton City
:51:25. > :51:33.Council. It is a day when council workers will have to sign up to new
:51:33. > :51:37.contracts. With me now look I'll Royston Smith, the leader of the
:51:37. > :51:41.Council, the Labour opposition leader. Royston, there is a lot of
:51:41. > :51:47.disruption planned for the week ahead, do you think it will be as
:51:47. > :51:51.bad as the unions say? I hope not. We have been saying that this
:51:51. > :51:54.disruption does not disrupt us, it disrupts the residents. The money
:51:54. > :51:59.wasted by not connecting bridge tolls or parking does not take
:51:59. > :52:02.money from the council, it takes its on the residents pockets. We
:52:02. > :52:07.hope we have got to the point where a new contracts will come into
:52:07. > :52:11.force and people will see we are doing it to save 400 jobs which in
:52:11. > :52:14.itself will protect several services. They will see we are
:52:14. > :52:19.doing this for the right reasons, signed their contracts, come to
:52:20. > :52:26.work on Monday and we can put this behind us. The public opinion is
:52:26. > :52:30.against you, isn't it? I don't think so. P pulsate is a mess. They
:52:30. > :52:34.look at their rubbish and the way the dispute has gone on and they
:52:34. > :52:39.worry. You would have to tell me he you have been speaking to. I speak
:52:39. > :52:43.to people every day and people are saying to me, enough is enough, we
:52:43. > :52:47.have been put through this misery there too long now, we understand
:52:47. > :52:53.why you are trying to key people in work and if that means a modest pay
:52:53. > :52:55.cut, we understand a principle of that. 400 people out of the
:52:55. > :53:00.organisation within the services they provide would no longer be
:53:00. > :53:06.carried out and their residents, the paying people, they deserve
:53:06. > :53:11.their services. Do you support the strike, Richard Williams? We have
:53:11. > :53:17.never supported this action and but we support the right to strike. We
:53:17. > :53:21.are trying To encourage both sides to find a sensible resolution. A
:53:21. > :53:24.lot of people recognise that this is not just a dispute in
:53:24. > :53:29.Southampton, there is definitely an national element to this. Whether
:53:29. > :53:37.that is planned or unplanned, I do not know. From the union
:53:37. > :53:41.perspective, we have had speakers in Southampton over the past few
:53:41. > :53:46.weeks looking at whether if it is cut here first will it go
:53:46. > :53:51.elsewhere? So you do support process against what Royston Smith
:53:51. > :53:56.is doing? We certainly do. A bit you don't support the strike
:53:56. > :54:00.action? We don't need to support despite action. We support the
:54:00. > :54:05.opportunity for people to protest and we have done so. We want to see
:54:05. > :54:10.a resolution. Why have you been so resistant to resolving this? Six-
:54:10. > :54:15.times we have met the unions, five times we have made concessions.
:54:15. > :54:19.Over the last couple of weeks we offered to lift significant amounts
:54:19. > :54:24.of workers out of the pay cut, the unions have refused to negotiate
:54:24. > :54:29.and refused event to take that new offer to their members. How do you
:54:29. > :54:33.negotiate with someone that refuses to sit in a room with year and
:54:33. > :54:38.refuses to talk. We have tried to do this, we have tried to talk to
:54:38. > :54:42.them. We have done everything the unions have asked, but they have
:54:42. > :54:47.refused to drop their preconditions or take any of our Arthur's to
:54:47. > :54:53.their members. That simply is not negotiating. We are down out a
:54:53. > :54:56.final test of how many signed up. We expect everyone to sign up. The
:54:56. > :55:00.unions are even saying to members that they should sign up and come
:55:00. > :55:05.to work. We do not want anyone to lose their jobs and the point of
:55:05. > :55:10.this is to keep 400 people in the organisation.
:55:10. > :55:17.Thank you. We delight in immortalise our public figures in
:55:17. > :55:21.bronze? When they are brought up on a plinth, they become statesmen.
:55:21. > :55:31.Westminster is a classic place to get your reputation in stone and
:55:31. > :55:33.
:55:33. > :55:38.you might be surprised how many At the entrance to the House of
:55:38. > :55:42.Commons, there is a statue that MPs believe can bring them luck. So
:55:42. > :55:48.many have touched Churchill's fought as they went to make a
:55:48. > :55:52.Tricky's speech, it became shiny and had to be repainted. It is a
:55:52. > :55:56.statue the leader of the house has often admired. The thing about
:55:56. > :56:00.sculpture is you try to capture the mood you are trying to portray.
:56:00. > :56:05.Churchill had many moods, but for this one by the arch that was
:56:05. > :56:14.damaged in the bombing are standing on the rubble of wartime London, it
:56:14. > :56:18.is a defiant look with leadership and resolution. Sir George Young
:56:18. > :56:24.has good reason to appreciate the work of the Yugoslavian sculptor.
:56:24. > :56:28.He married his daughter. Lady Young has spent many years uncovering the
:56:29. > :56:34.secrets of her father's work. have all been through war-torn
:56:34. > :56:39.London. Lady Churchill said it does not look like rubble enough, she
:56:39. > :56:44.complained. By that time, the sculpture was cast in bronze and
:56:44. > :56:49.you cannot add bronze two bronze. So what my father did, he added
:56:49. > :56:57.some fibre glass, a big piece of fibre glass. So this rubble here is
:56:57. > :57:01.made out of fibre glass. All the rest is nettle. Oscar came to
:57:01. > :57:05.Britain from humble beginnings in Croatia. He studied in Paris and
:57:05. > :57:09.Brussels before his big breakthrough, the chance to
:57:09. > :57:13.immortalise the psychoanalyst Freud in bronze. The connection he made
:57:13. > :57:17.with his subject, the way his insights into the characters of
:57:17. > :57:22.powerful people came out through his work, it is something that
:57:22. > :57:29.fascinated Lady Young. When you are having a sitting and you are with
:57:29. > :57:34.somebody you do get to know them. In all of my father's work, you
:57:34. > :57:40.will totally know how their head was tilted, that is exactly how
:57:40. > :57:45.they were. He just got them somehow. Daring back through her father's
:57:45. > :57:50.notes, many of the subtext identities are missing. This is an
:57:51. > :57:55.unknown woman, I do not know who she is. Tracking down the woman who
:57:55. > :58:00.have far the sculpted has become a detective story in itself. He lived
:58:00. > :58:05.near Oxford, 20 years after she grew up here, Lady Young went back
:58:05. > :58:10.with me to re open the cellar under the house where the original moulds
:58:10. > :58:15.are stalled. That is bigger than a real hand.
:58:15. > :58:21.That must be from the Guild Hall Churchill. The statue in the
:58:21. > :58:26.Guildhall, his hands are like this. They are heads of state, literally.
:58:26. > :58:30.Stacked from ceiling to floor. Each sculpture is the product of months
:58:30. > :58:39.of collaboration to capture the appearance and personality of the
:58:39. > :58:48.sitters. Here is somebody who I do not know it, here in sheep? I do
:58:48. > :58:58.not know, I would love to find out. Are you out there, Lady? Churchill
:58:58. > :58:58.
:58:58. > :59:08.recognised Oscar's ability. greatly admire the art. His prowess
:59:08. > :59:08.
:59:08. > :59:15.in the ancient realm of sculpture has won such a remarkable
:59:15. > :59:20.appreciation in our country. He recalled how Churchill tried to
:59:20. > :59:26.sculpt him in return. One day he decided that he will do
:59:26. > :59:31.my sculpture in order that I could see his in exchange. So he actually
:59:31. > :59:35.did a bit of work? Yes, the any sculpture he ever did was my head.
:59:36. > :59:42.He was very interested in politics and he loved people who could
:59:42. > :59:48.debate and argue and he was quite, he had very firm views and, as all
:59:48. > :59:55.his family had been killed in the war, he was very keen we should
:59:55. > :59:59.keep democracy. He tried and failed to save his Jewish relatives from
:59:59. > :00:04.the Nazi concentration camps, but in Brighton, his many sculptures
:00:04. > :00:08.are evidence of how his discretion and deep insight into human
:00:08. > :00:13.behaviour gained him a unique place in our political history.