:00:36. > :00:39.In the South. Forget hello, sailor - in Portsmouth, it's, here's your
:00:39. > :00:42.P45. Job cuts come to the Royal Navy, and we look at the impact.
:00:42. > :00:45.And reading the riot act isn't always easy - 50% of prisoners
:00:45. > :00:55.can't read, so is it time for an education revolution in our
:00:55. > :00:55.
:00:55. > :36:41.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2145 seconds
:36:41. > :36:45.Thank you, Jon. Hello and welcome to the part of the show especially
:36:45. > :36:47.for us here in the South. My name's Danielle Glavin. On today's show -
:36:47. > :36:50.reading the riot act, how better education in prison might have
:36:50. > :36:53.stopped some of the summer's rioters re-offending.
:36:53. > :36:57.And with the Navy sacking 5,000 staff over the next four years,
:36:57. > :37:00.what does that mean for Portsmouth and the Navy as a whole?
:37:00. > :37:04.But first, we're into the final week of the party conference season
:37:04. > :37:07.and the Conservatives are gathering in Manchester. So it's time for the
:37:07. > :37:17.final outing of our party animals survey, asking people if the
:37:17. > :37:27.
:37:27. > :37:35.Conservatives were an animal, what I have got two Norfolk terriers and
:37:35. > :37:40.they are feisty, sewn them. Rather large Persian cat. Dinosaur.
:37:40. > :37:49.Sitting on a folded cushioned and no thought for what other people
:37:49. > :37:54.got up to. A zebra, I do not know why. A lie in. I would say it must
:37:54. > :38:04.have full, in charge, thrusting, powerful! -- masterful. They grab
:38:04. > :38:05.
:38:05. > :38:14.everything for themselves and do not care about anybody else. A rat!
:38:14. > :38:20.Animal? All politicians are very sneaky. Probably be a tiger. They
:38:20. > :38:25.care for their own and look after their own. I would probably say a
:38:25. > :38:31.sheep. They just follow everybody else. A Tigers stomach they are
:38:31. > :38:34.roofless. -- a tiger, because they are roofless.
:38:34. > :38:39.So, do the Conservatives have a tiger in their tank? Our political
:38:39. > :38:45.editor, Peter Henley, is up there with them. How is the mood, Peter?
:38:45. > :38:49.I do not think they would be too upset by some of those comparisons.
:38:49. > :38:52.Nervous about the economy because that underpins so much of what any
:38:52. > :38:57.government can do fighting to deal with the problems in the economy or
:38:57. > :39:01.coming up with its own ideas. Some things like the 80 Malpas hour a
:39:01. > :39:06.limit on the roads for the weekly bin collections might be a
:39:06. > :39:09.distraction, but it is evidence of the ideas of a coalition taking a
:39:10. > :39:14.concrete form and coming through. Some of those ideas are coming from
:39:14. > :39:20.Nick Herbert, who is with me this morning. A busy conference for you?
:39:20. > :39:25.A lot of meetings. Any more of those ideas he will come up with
:39:25. > :39:30.like the 80 Malpas hour speed limit for the justice system of policing?
:39:30. > :39:37.-- 80 miles per hour. We will have to see! I cannot tell you what is
:39:37. > :39:42.coming up in the speeches, but our Policies have gone through
:39:42. > :39:46.Parliament. Today, we have heard back Colonel Tim Collins, the
:39:47. > :39:51.famous military leader, has said he is interested in standing in Kent,
:39:51. > :39:55.and that is what we want, high- quality individuals to stand for
:39:55. > :40:00.this job of holding the police to account and representing the
:40:00. > :40:04.public's using the fight against crime. The other big issue over the
:40:04. > :40:10.summer, the riots, which will have impacted on thinking over policing
:40:10. > :40:15.and justice. Could there be more summary justice? Obviously, we saw
:40:15. > :40:18.terrible things in the riots but good things also came out of it.
:40:18. > :40:23.The criminal justice system responded very swiftly and today I
:40:23. > :40:27.am arguing this principle of swift justice needs to be standard.
:40:27. > :40:33.People need to get before the courts in matter -- in a matter of
:40:33. > :40:36.hours and days and not the months in the existing system. I was after
:40:36. > :40:43.a crime is committed you are putting them in front of a
:40:43. > :40:47.magistrate? -- hours. This happened with the riots. We have video links
:40:47. > :40:52.and police able to give evidence from stations, a defendant from
:40:52. > :40:55.their prison cells. If we extend this technology and rethink the
:40:55. > :41:02.mark -- rethink the role of magistrates, we can get swifter
:41:02. > :41:06.justice. Your party has closed magistrate courts! Many were
:41:07. > :41:11.operating at a very low rate of business and were not done enough
:41:11. > :41:16.work. We do need to rethink justice and I want to say, can we resolve
:41:16. > :41:20.things much more swiftly with a new form of neighbourhood justice
:41:20. > :41:24.involving magistrates? They do not have to sit in court, they can sit
:41:24. > :41:30.in community centres and we could then have a form of justice
:41:30. > :41:38.involving restorative principles were victims are apologised to
:41:38. > :41:44.cover offenders make amends and pay back to society and to the victim -
:41:44. > :41:50.- where victims are apologised to buy it offenders. Penalty notices
:41:50. > :41:55.and cautions were increased. But a lot of the time, these finds are
:41:55. > :42:00.not paid in the first instance. -- these finds. We need a more swift
:42:00. > :42:05.system. That put a burden on the police that you are cutting. I have
:42:05. > :42:10.been asked to ask about the winter report and evidence supposedly from
:42:10. > :42:16.offices his sake, I did not give ", things have been made up. --
:42:16. > :42:20.officers who say. This is complete nonsense. The Independent reviewer
:42:20. > :42:23.has said today that the names of people who gave evidence on the
:42:23. > :42:30.back of the report does not indicate what they are said, they
:42:30. > :42:35.are just people who were contacted. They are listed and was supplied by
:42:35. > :42:41.the individuals or by that offices. Tom Winsor has said that is right.
:42:41. > :42:44.I am happy with what he says. I do not know why it would be in
:42:44. > :42:48.anybody's interest to name police officers who gave evidence when
:42:48. > :42:52.that was not the case, this is complete nonsense. This is another
:42:52. > :42:56.subject of determination in a tribunal and we will have to wait
:42:56. > :43:04.and see what happened. The principle is we have to deal with
:43:04. > :43:07.the deficit and save money. If the police spent �14 billion a year and
:43:07. > :43:11.30,000 police officers are in backroom jobs and we can do better.
:43:11. > :43:15.We can protect the front line and we are seeing that across the south
:43:15. > :43:21.and it can happen in the rest of the country if savings are found in
:43:21. > :43:24.the right place. Thank you for joining us, it will be interesting!
:43:24. > :43:27.The Labour Party conference was interesting in different ways, this
:43:27. > :43:31.is my look back. You need to be careful where you
:43:31. > :43:36.sit at a Labour conference. Constituency delegates get their
:43:36. > :43:40.own chair to be in the hall to vote. Roy Bailey, a former Commander of
:43:40. > :43:45.Reading police, is a delegate for the first time but has been
:43:45. > :43:50.attending for 10 years as a steward. The backbone of Conference
:43:50. > :43:53.Organisation here. It is a good conference, upbeat. The leader's
:43:53. > :43:58.speech yesterday was very well received and he performed much
:43:58. > :44:02.better than I thought he would do so I am very encouraged. It was a
:44:02. > :44:07.solid speech, inspirational, people like me need to be encouraged and
:44:07. > :44:11.for me it was perfect. As a former policeman, you obviously listened
:44:11. > :44:17.carefully to the crime debate, does it make you angry the numbers of
:44:17. > :44:21.police there are being got rid of? I cannot convey my anger in a few
:44:21. > :44:26.words. For cannot believe what the government are doing. Tory voters
:44:26. > :44:31.are against the proposals, the cuts will cause horrendous damage.
:44:31. > :44:38.Operational policing, community policing, morale singing, it does
:44:38. > :44:44.not bear thinking about! -- morale lower. The arrival of the elephants
:44:44. > :44:49.at Liverpool's Albert Dock. The White elegant of the note at HS2
:44:50. > :44:55.campaign here to lobby the 10,000 visitors to the Labour Party
:44:55. > :45:00.conference. -- of the note to the HS2. This comment is here to make
:45:00. > :45:06.the case in person. They do not realise how up it will affect the
:45:06. > :45:10.country's. The environmental costs. They do not know the details and
:45:10. > :45:15.the facts so they think it is all right. We have to be here and tell
:45:15. > :45:18.people what the problems are with it. There are plenty of chances to
:45:18. > :45:24.influence policy makers here but visitors can get the other side of
:45:24. > :45:28.the story because over there is the yes campaign. We are here today to
:45:28. > :45:32.make sure Labour do not sway on this and see it is important to
:45:32. > :45:36.build and something they will support, so the bill can go through
:45:36. > :45:41.Parliament next year. It is surprising how many opponents and
:45:41. > :45:46.the people in favour in the same hall, almost next door. It is a bit
:45:46. > :45:52.of a surprise but it has been quite fun! What difference does it make
:45:52. > :45:55.having a rival stand? We think it is important people get the real
:45:55. > :45:58.information. They get assumptions from the yes campaign and we
:45:58. > :46:03.provide facts. People need to understand both sides to make the
:46:03. > :46:08.decision for themselves. We are up for a challenge and have had good
:46:08. > :46:12.conversations today. Pretty much everybody here is up for an
:46:12. > :46:18.argument. The campaign carries on and I sat down with three young
:46:18. > :46:22.delegates. Laura is from Witney, David Cameron's constituency. Adam
:46:22. > :46:27.and Tim from Oxford and Brighton start back in Brighton, there is a
:46:27. > :46:31.lot of dislike for the big business culture. It is good to show Labour
:46:31. > :46:37.are not afraid to stand up for the individual and we need to get that
:46:37. > :46:40.message out because not everybody watches the party conference.
:46:40. > :46:45.highlight was the question and answer session yesterday, it
:46:45. > :46:51.electrified the room and was very brave and Ed Miliband showed the
:46:51. > :46:55.height of his personality. It was brilliant. What he is trying to do
:46:55. > :46:59.is develop a new approach to the economy so that we give help to
:46:59. > :47:05.small businesses, we address the distribution of income from the top
:47:05. > :47:09.to the bottom. So he is trying to signal a direction of travel. So we
:47:09. > :47:14.have not seen a lot of policies but we have seen a real vision of
:47:14. > :47:20.something different from the Tory government. Is very interesting
:47:20. > :47:25.conference and we expect a busy one here in Manchester.
:47:25. > :47:31.You want to hear from our viewers, don't you?
:47:31. > :47:36.That is right. On Twitter. Your questions for the Prime Minister,
:47:36. > :47:39.and will make sure he gets the best! -- I will make sure he gets
:47:39. > :47:42.the best. Portsmouth is the historic home of
:47:42. > :47:46.the Royal Navy. At peak periods, it employs more than 17,000 people.
:47:46. > :47:49.But the Navy is cutting back, 5,000 jobs are going over the next four
:47:49. > :47:52.years. On Friday, over 1,000 personnel were told they would be
:47:52. > :48:01.the first to go. It's not yet known how many of those redundancies are
:48:01. > :48:05.from the base in Portsmouth, but the impact will be felt.
:48:05. > :48:11.Joining me his Commander John looks worthy, what does this mean for
:48:11. > :48:15.Portsmouth? It is the beginning of the end. It has been a long time
:48:15. > :48:18.coming. The Prime Minister says defence of the realm is the first
:48:18. > :48:23.priority of any government and now with a small group of people who
:48:23. > :48:27.have caused this, he is proving that is not true. Portsmouth and
:48:27. > :48:33.all the bases in the south and Scotland and Wales, wherever there
:48:33. > :48:38.are military, will be cut and cut and cut to gain. Nobody enjoys
:48:38. > :48:42.being made redundant but when you leave the armed forces, people have
:48:42. > :48:48.joined the armed forces because they want to serve their country,
:48:48. > :48:53.they do not join for money. It is not that good, it is not that bad,
:48:53. > :48:59.but they may love a life. They are doing something positive. People
:48:59. > :49:07.are having that cut away from them. Beryl 1,000 redundancies come at
:49:07. > :49:13.least 350 were not wink. -- Berrer 1,000 redundancies, and at least
:49:13. > :49:18.350 were not willing. The cuts are never welcome and a spokesperson
:49:18. > :49:22.said they had to identify those people whose skills are no longer
:49:22. > :49:27.needed. The leader of Portsmouth council saved -- said it is not
:49:27. > :49:32.welcome but it does have to happen. It does not have to happen, nobody
:49:32. > :49:36.wants this defence review to continue. 80% of the Tory party
:49:36. > :49:40.voted against it. The Commons Defence Committee is against the
:49:40. > :49:46.Strategic Defence Review, it was rushed, it was not strategic, it
:49:46. > :49:50.was a cost-cutting exercise. Where do you go from here? Everybody in
:49:50. > :49:55.the country can help. If Portsmouth wants to save the Navy, because
:49:55. > :49:59.they will go, this is a downhill slope, no matter what the
:49:59. > :50:05.politicians say. When you have got rid of a ship, it takes 15 years to
:50:05. > :50:10.build one again. We will end up with about 12 frigates and
:50:10. > :50:15.destroyers. No matter how they fudge the figures. A rule of three
:50:15. > :50:20.with the military, if you need one ship on station, you have to have
:50:20. > :50:25.three, one in maintenance and one in training and one fighting.
:50:25. > :50:28.does this mean to the staff? We know a local family he said their
:50:28. > :50:33.grandson was told they are on the Falkland Islands and they are no
:50:33. > :50:38.longer needed, how does that affect them? Devastated, it is not fair,
:50:38. > :50:42.not reasonable and not necessary. People throughout the country can
:50:42. > :50:47.if they make a noise to their MPs, and they have got to do it, they
:50:47. > :50:51.have to say they do not agree. A lot of people say without knowledge
:50:51. > :50:56.that defence is expensive and we cannot afford it. That is not true
:50:56. > :51:05.because for the last 30 years, year after year, Defence has been cut
:51:05. > :51:11.from 60% of all GDP, and then down to 10%... We have to leave it. A
:51:11. > :51:19.cuts are coming. And the money has gone into welfare and health.
:51:19. > :51:23.you for talking to us about this. You are welcome.
:51:23. > :51:25.Law and order, and the aftermath of the summer's riots, will be high on
:51:25. > :51:28.the Conservative conference agenda in Manchester. We heard a lot in
:51:28. > :51:31.the parliamentary debate about the need for stiff punishments but, as
:51:31. > :51:34.Tristan Pascoe reports, many are arguing that better education for
:51:34. > :51:37.prisoners could be the key to unlocking the re-offending rates.
:51:37. > :51:43.After more than three-quarters of those charged with offences during
:51:43. > :51:46.the recent riots were found to have previous convictions or cautions,
:51:46. > :51:52.Justice Secretary Ken Clarke fault -- called for a major overhaul of
:51:52. > :51:57.education in prisons to help tackle re-offending. It is appalling. It
:51:57. > :52:02.bears out what I have been saying since I got to the Department, 50%
:52:02. > :52:06.in prison if we know will be back within a year. Three-quarters of
:52:06. > :52:11.them will commit more offences. So although some good work is being
:52:11. > :52:16.done, it has not been a priority for years. The priority now is to
:52:16. > :52:20.build up what we do in prisons and stop re-offending. With the prison
:52:20. > :52:24.population at a record high of 88,000, there is the political will
:52:24. > :52:28.for a major overhaul of education within prisons. But will the
:52:28. > :52:34.coalition government go as far as one regular Dorset prison visitor
:52:34. > :52:44.would like? Best-selling crime writer minute Walters is a crusader
:52:44. > :52:46.
:52:46. > :52:49.for improved literacy among inmates. -- Minette. If they are assessed
:52:49. > :52:55.before sentencing and their inability to read and write is
:52:55. > :53:00.taken into account by the judge, he can make learning to read and write
:53:01. > :53:07.part of the sentence. I find it fairly distrustful that in the 21st
:53:07. > :53:12.century, our prisons have more than 50% of people who struggled to read
:53:12. > :53:17.and write. They are confined within a prison for a given length of time
:53:17. > :53:23.and we have no way of teaching them to read and write before they leave.
:53:23. > :53:29.It seems to me absurd as. And the statistics are alarming. Almost
:53:29. > :53:33.half the prison population cannot read as well as an 11-year-old. 82%
:53:34. > :53:37.are below the expected level of writing of an 11-year-old. Ifan and
:53:37. > :53:44.if -- if an offender arrive zebras and unable to read and write, they
:53:44. > :53:49.are unlikely to do so before they week -- arrives at prison. There
:53:49. > :53:52.was frustration by one judge that nothing is being done it inside to
:53:52. > :53:57.stop people re-offending for any help give them with basic literacy
:53:57. > :54:04.or numeracy. If you shed by a former Chief Inspector of Prisons.
:54:04. > :54:07.I approve of Ken Clarke's rehabilitation revolution. But I am
:54:08. > :54:13.worried that the organisation under the previous government that has
:54:13. > :54:17.not been put right, I worry it is not capable of delivering what you
:54:17. > :54:21.want. In Winchester, Berrer a wonderful education staff wanting
:54:21. > :54:25.to do things and are frustrated they do not have prisoners for long
:54:25. > :54:30.enough -- there are wonderful. And prisoners are left too long sitting
:54:30. > :54:35.around doing nothing because there are not enough activities.
:54:35. > :54:40.valuable is education for prisoners in tackling re-offending rates?
:54:40. > :54:47.What rarely achieves success in those that we are able to help is
:54:47. > :54:50.that they recognise that there is a development of personal self-esteem
:54:50. > :54:55.because they achieve some think which they have never achieved for
:54:55. > :55:00.themselves in their lives -- achieve something. This goes a long
:55:01. > :55:06.way towards could sink re-offending and reducing future victims. --
:55:06. > :55:10.towards cutting. A few years ago, this man was serving time for
:55:10. > :55:16.burglary. In prison, he learnt to read and went to edit it -- and
:55:16. > :55:21.went on to edit a prison newspaper. He says education saved him. It was
:55:21. > :55:25.an enormous help in every single Respect. It is a no-brainer.
:55:25. > :55:32.Education in prison can give the man or woman who has never really
:55:32. > :55:37.thought hard about education, has possibly got a very good brain but
:55:37. > :55:41.does not know how to use that, so if we can just get that and shake
:55:41. > :55:49.it and mould it through education, at least you have got a fighting
:55:49. > :55:52.chance. Back in Dorset, this woman has high praise for mentoring
:55:52. > :56:00.project for prison as you leave prison but she says 0 -- she says
:56:00. > :56:06.more needs to be done inside prison. -- for prisoners who we've presents
:56:06. > :56:11.a. In Dorset, we have mentoring project afterwards. They strive
:56:11. > :56:16.after prison to help people. Why are we teaching them -- why are we
:56:16. > :56:20.not teaching them to read and write inside prison? In the 21st century,
:56:20. > :56:25.we should not allow anybody to leave prison when they have been