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:00:58. > :01:02.In the West: Are we better off in or out of

:01:02. > :01:06.Europe as the crisis deepens? We're one of the most Euro-sceptic areas

:01:06. > :01:09.in the country so have we had enough of our EU neighbours? And

:01:09. > :01:19.we'll bring you a Christmas message from the tory eccentric Jacob Rees-

:01:19. > :01:19.

:01:19. > :31:34.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1815 seconds

:31:34. > :31:37.Hello from a festive West Country. We've got the mince pies out for

:31:37. > :31:40.the last programme before Christmas but it looks like Santa's sack may

:31:40. > :31:43.be a bit lighter this year as our politicians struggle to manage the

:31:43. > :31:50.budget deficit. It's not just this German Christmas market binding us

:31:50. > :31:55.to Europe, the eurozone crisis is effecting all of us. So is it time

:31:55. > :31:58.to rethink our relationship with the EU?

:31:58. > :32:02.Plus, with 13 shopping days left until Christmas we'll be finding

:32:02. > :32:05.out if the tills are ringing on the high streets this year.

:32:05. > :32:11.And we'll be opening our Christmas cracker. Inside we have some

:32:11. > :32:20.festive highlights from Tory eccentric Jacob Rees-Mogg. All it

:32:20. > :32:25.remains to say is, Ho, ho, ho! And merry Christmas!

:32:25. > :32:28.That's about it when it comes to Christmas cheer, I am afraid.

:32:28. > :32:31.Joining me to pull a festive, austerity cracker and share a stale

:32:31. > :32:34.BBC mince pie are three politicians who'd all love to give you a

:32:34. > :32:37.present, if only the country had some money. I'm talking about the

:32:37. > :32:40.Conservative MEP for the South West Ashley Fox, Labour's Dawn Primarolo,

:32:40. > :32:45.MP for Bristol South; and the Lib Dem councillor for North Somerset,

:32:45. > :32:48.Mike Bell. First this afternoon, we are talking about Europe. We live

:32:48. > :32:54.in a part of the country where there are many Euro-sceptics and

:32:54. > :32:58.UKIP do well in the elections. So should we be celebrating our

:32:58. > :33:00.isolation in the EU or is it going to be chilly here on the margins of

:33:00. > :33:09.Europe? Paul Barltrop has been taking opinion down at the

:33:09. > :33:13.Christmas Market in Bristol. I have not gone to Germany, the

:33:14. > :33:18.Germans have come here. This market is in the centre of Bristol until

:33:18. > :33:28.Christmas. This shows how closely linked our economies are. If they

:33:28. > :33:32.

:33:32. > :33:36.eurozone goes down, we are all in Are you worried? I am in a way. I'm

:33:36. > :33:44.not sure whether he's made the right decision or not. We are going

:33:44. > :33:51.to panic if we are right in the cold. It might cost too much.

:33:51. > :33:57.markets everywhere, business is not booming, especially for expensive

:33:57. > :34:01.things. �75 for a chess set? Am not sure I can afford that. Public

:34:01. > :34:04.bodies have been cutting their budgets everywhere. That is except

:34:04. > :34:14.for the European Union, which next she will get an extra 2 billion

:34:14. > :34:15.

:34:15. > :34:19.Even if your money is looking dodgy, Christmas is a time for giving to

:34:19. > :34:23.your nearest and dearest. It varies when it comes to friends. David

:34:23. > :34:27.Cameron might not feel like being too generous with his European

:34:27. > :34:30.leaders for his parliamentary colleagues but as far our big

:34:31. > :34:40.political marriage, so far all is going pretty well within that the

:34:41. > :34:48.

:34:48. > :34:53.coalition. What would make a good present for a cabinet minister?

:34:53. > :34:56.Do you think your leader did well or has he landed us in an isolated

:34:56. > :35:01.position? The Prime Minister made the right decision because Britain

:35:01. > :35:06.does not want to participate in a fiscal union... What advantages

:35:06. > :35:11.does it give us? It stops our tax and spending being controlled by

:35:11. > :35:15.Brussels. What influence as it give you on the top table of Europe now?

:35:15. > :35:19.You ask what benefits they lot of Britain. Pit stops our tax and

:35:20. > :35:28.spending being controlled by the European Commission. It stops. It

:35:28. > :35:33.means no transfers of sovereignty. What influence does this give you?

:35:33. > :35:41.We will retain more control over financial sector in London. And our

:35:41. > :35:49.influence? If your constituent comes and brings you a problem, you

:35:49. > :35:52.cannot go to Europe... Things remain exactly the same. We are not

:35:52. > :35:59.involved in the fiscal compact because we don't want to be

:35:59. > :36:01.involved in it. Not much influence there. Not on the fiscal compact

:36:01. > :36:09.because that is a matter for eurozone countries and those

:36:09. > :36:13.countries that want to join the euro. Mike Bell, you are from the

:36:13. > :36:17.party which has missed friendly towards Europe. What do you feel?

:36:17. > :36:22.am one of those rare beasts in that I'm a Euro-sceptic Lib-Dem. I

:36:22. > :36:26.rather think that the Prime Minister... Is that because most

:36:26. > :36:30.people in the West Country vote for Euro-sceptic parties? I think that

:36:30. > :36:34.is fair. I was born and raised in this area. Some of our natural

:36:34. > :36:39.scepticism has rubbed off on me, I guess. I think the Prime Minister

:36:39. > :36:42.really had a poisoned chalice to start with. He was destined to go

:36:42. > :36:46.in there and banged the table for Britain. In the end, what came out

:36:46. > :36:53.of it was an agreement that City dealers and countries and to be

:36:53. > :36:57.honest, that was the purpose of the summit. Has he planed -- has he

:36:57. > :37:01.played a blinder? I don't see that. The Chancellor says in order for

:37:01. > :37:07.our economy to grow and create jobs, they eurozone needs to get out of

:37:07. > :37:11.this crisis. As they grow, we will grow. So how casting us into

:37:11. > :37:16.isolation, not being at the top table to be involved in this

:37:16. > :37:19.discussions about economic growth, coming out of the recession and

:37:19. > :37:25.creating jobs for our constituents... Labour would have

:37:25. > :37:30.agreed to that at almost any price? There, I'm not saying that and you

:37:30. > :37:34.are casting it in two extremes. David Cameron, with his Euro-

:37:34. > :37:38.sceptics and with everything he has said over the last few years, has

:37:38. > :37:44.talked Britain into isolation. We are not taken seriously. There are

:37:44. > :37:48.very difficult challenges. When we were in power, the European Union

:37:48. > :37:52.proposed the savings tax to control for a City of London. We fought it

:37:52. > :37:56.all away from the inside. Successfully, what he has done is

:37:56. > :38:00.remove dust from the table. That's got to be a problem. A lot of

:38:00. > :38:09.people will say it is time for a referendum. Would you support that

:38:09. > :38:13.and in... It is not the time for that. Speaking as a conservative,

:38:13. > :38:17.and not with a coalition had on, I would like to see repatriation of

:38:18. > :38:25.powers to the Vatican to me. I want to stay in the EU but I would like

:38:25. > :38:28.to say... I would like things changed. I do not see how you can

:38:28. > :38:35.change your relationship with the European Union by moving into

:38:35. > :38:39.isolation. In or out? We have to be in a productive partnership with

:38:39. > :38:42.our European partners because there is so much trade there. If we're

:38:42. > :38:47.going to have an export-led recovery, as of the steep recession,

:38:48. > :38:54.that means we have to be part of the discussions. You've gone a bit

:38:55. > :38:59.wobbly on Europe but you are still presumably in? And certainly of the

:38:59. > :39:02.mind that on balance we are better in. I support a referendum. The

:39:02. > :39:11.problem we've had is because the European debate has been stifled by

:39:11. > :39:14.these ridiculous points of rhetoric when in reality we've not had a

:39:14. > :39:23.proper, intelligent debate about Europe for decades. That is what we

:39:23. > :39:26.need. Help yourself to women's by while be going to our next film.

:39:26. > :39:30.For There are 13 shopping days left until Christmas, plenty of time to

:39:30. > :39:33.fill those stockings hanging on the end of your bed. But after all the

:39:33. > :39:37.talk of cuts and pay freezes do we have any money left? We sent Ruth

:39:37. > :39:43.Bradley out to the shops in Taunton to see if the cash tills have been

:39:43. > :39:46.ringing. A Taunton has the highest

:39:46. > :39:52.percentage of public sector workers in the West. In his Yeovil, the

:39:52. > :39:56.defence sector has been hit. With all of this gloom, it is it going

:39:56. > :40:06.to be an austerity Christmas for people in Somerset? I just want to

:40:06. > :40:08.

:40:08. > :40:11.cut back but I'm not succeeding very well at the moment. We have to

:40:11. > :40:19.support the traders, we have to keep buying, otherwise they shut

:40:19. > :40:26.down. The farmers' market in Taunton sets up shop every week and

:40:26. > :40:32.local people think people are watching their pennies. Is this

:40:32. > :40:37.Christmas going as well as last? Better. Why is that? Because we

:40:38. > :40:40.have a unique product. Some of the shops in Taunton he can find

:40:40. > :40:45.anywhere but the iconic County stores has been here for years. It

:40:45. > :40:55.has seen Christmases and recessions come and go. How has this year

:40:55. > :41:01.compared? The fear for next year is January and February and the worry

:41:01. > :41:06.is about people having their bills to pay. We have got to keep trading.

:41:06. > :41:10.Fortunately, everybody has a birthday. It seems to be a mixed

:41:10. > :41:13.picture in Taunton with one shop saying he has seen worse but it is

:41:13. > :41:17.not going to be the best Christmas. Some shoppers are saying they're

:41:17. > :41:20.watching their pennies but Christmas only comes once a year.

:41:20. > :41:26.High-end producers are doing quite well. Meanwhile, some shops have

:41:26. > :41:30.not even made it this far so will we see more of these in 2012?

:41:30. > :41:32.A snapshot from the streets of Taunton. Still with me are the

:41:32. > :41:35.South West Conservative MEP Ashley Fox, the Labour MP for Bristol

:41:35. > :41:39.South Dawn Primarolo, and North Somerset Lib Dem councillor Mike

:41:39. > :41:42.Bell. Are people spending money in Bristol South? It will be a very

:41:42. > :41:47.difficult Christmas. People are fearful of losing their jobs, their

:41:47. > :41:50.income has dropped 6% on average over the last year. What my

:41:50. > :41:54.constituents will be doing well be doing the best for their children

:41:54. > :41:58.on a considerably reduced income and worrying about whether they

:41:58. > :42:01.will be able to pay the bills and the future. The austerity drive his

:42:01. > :42:07.ongoing now. It could not have been done without the backing of the Lib

:42:07. > :42:10.Dems. Any regrets? No, not at all. Certainly, every morning I look

:42:10. > :42:17.myself in the mirror and wonder why we are in coalition with a

:42:17. > :42:20.Conservatives because it doesn't sit comfortably. But I think that

:42:20. > :42:24.overall, we are right to try and sort out the economy and rebalance

:42:24. > :42:27.things. There is no doubt at all that what we need to be as honest

:42:27. > :42:31.with people, that we are in a very difficult situation and it is going

:42:31. > :42:35.to go on for some time to come. Let's be honest, is it working? Can

:42:35. > :42:41.you give us any sign a tour that the austerity measures and the

:42:41. > :42:46.cards are having a result? Yes. A cut the rate at which Britain can

:42:46. > :42:53.borrow money, 2%, the same as Germany. -- will cut the rate. If

:42:53. > :42:57.we had not introduced the austerity measures 18 months ago, if we only

:42:57. > :43:00.half the deficit over the parliament, we could very easily be

:43:00. > :43:04.facing a crisis situation like Greece or Portugal. In terms of

:43:04. > :43:08.jobs and growth, there is nothing. That is a difficult but the reason

:43:08. > :43:13.for that is the appalling inheritance we had from the Labour

:43:13. > :43:18.Party who spent far too much money, borrowed too much money and put us

:43:18. > :43:24.in this mess. Of people saying that to you on the streets of Bristol

:43:24. > :43:31.South? -- are people. They are not saying that. What people are saying

:43:31. > :43:36.is that government are cutting and it is not working. They advance

:43:36. > :43:39.ridiculous arguments like for instance the test on interest rates.

:43:39. > :43:43.We can see for instance in Japan, they had lower interest rates and

:43:43. > :43:48.stayed in a depression and a session for a very long time. What

:43:48. > :43:55.people want to know is how are we going to get growth in our economy

:43:55. > :44:00.and how are we going to get the jobs that were promised. We were

:44:00. > :44:03.told that if it wasn't for the euro crisis, we would have a growth now

:44:03. > :44:10.because we would be able to exports to them. What the Prime Minister

:44:10. > :44:15.has now done is remove dust from the discussions of the future of

:44:15. > :44:21.Europe which is where that joke -- growth can come from. The

:44:21. > :44:29.proposition for most people is more gloom into the future. We were

:44:29. > :44:33.part... You are saying cut the deficit and what you also say is

:44:33. > :44:36.you are not prepared to an acidic - - negotiate to get a better deal

:44:36. > :44:42.than the one that was on the table. So you would have a signed up to

:44:42. > :44:49.the Compact? He were not even prepared to negotiate with our

:44:49. > :44:52.European partners. We vetoed a deal that wasn't good for Britain.

:44:52. > :44:55.should have negotiated a better deal.

:44:55. > :44:57.Just for a moment lets pretend our politicians are Santa, with the

:44:57. > :45:03.responsibility for giving us all something nice this Christmas.

:45:03. > :45:07.That's pretty hard to do when there's no money to buy things. We

:45:07. > :45:17.sent Robin Markwell out to see if there's anything for us to look

:45:17. > :45:22.

:45:22. > :45:28.Peace and goodwill have been in short supply this year. Rioters on

:45:28. > :45:33.the rampage. Striking on the streets. An economy as stagnant as

:45:33. > :45:38.last year's Christmas leftovers. And now the winter of discontent at

:45:38. > :45:41.this the largest protest camp outside London. As the Occupy

:45:41. > :45:47.Bristol protestors will tell you, while those in work have seen their

:45:47. > :45:57.pay frozen, boardroom pay has gone up by 50%. So what gifts could our

:45:57. > :46:02.politicians bring us to raise some festive cheer? Better checks on how

:46:02. > :46:05.they run things seed and get problems like the expenses scandal.

:46:05. > :46:12.More broad mind as this, not being in a pocket of big business. Stop

:46:12. > :46:18.taking money from lobby groups. Have your funding paid for by

:46:18. > :46:23.public money. David Cameron, give me some waterproof socks, if you

:46:23. > :46:33.are watching this. The government has made this happen a sex but even

:46:33. > :46:37.happier this Christmas. He has tried to quantify how we feel.

:46:37. > :46:40.There is a fairly strong national tendency to be optimistic and that

:46:40. > :46:44.is a very good thing, as long as you don't lose sight of the

:46:44. > :46:53.challengers. That's not the English way. We are grumpy and get on with

:46:53. > :46:56.things. Maybe that is just being a reporter for too long!

:46:56. > :47:00.There is no secret that the political weather for the new year

:47:00. > :47:06.is going to be stormy but there are still a few goodies in the politics

:47:06. > :47:09.back. For starters, we are going to be asking who might be wearing the

:47:09. > :47:14.chains of office for an elected mayor although the Lib-Dems and

:47:14. > :47:17.Greens have already said they are against that. We also have in

:47:17. > :47:20.November elections on a possible Police Commissioner but if you look

:47:20. > :47:26.at the surveyors, three-quarters of the public still know nothing about

:47:26. > :47:32.that particular election. So all in all, it seems that 2012 may follow

:47:32. > :47:42.the same pattern as 2011, with plenty of instability. I might just

:47:42. > :47:42.

:47:42. > :47:46.cling to the sides for now. We're drawing near to the end of our last

:47:46. > :47:51.ever Politics Show. But have no fear, I will be back in the new

:47:51. > :47:57.year with our new programme - The Sunday Politics in the West. We

:47:57. > :48:00.wanted to end this Christmas with something to make you smile. We've

:48:00. > :48:03.had some of Gordon Brown's finest speech writers working on some

:48:03. > :48:07.jokes for you but they all fell a bit flat. So, we've turned to one

:48:07. > :48:17.of our newest MPs Jacob Rees Mogg, the Tory toff from North East

:48:17. > :48:19.

:48:19. > :48:23.Somerset, to provide some Christmas I said that they should wear a

:48:23. > :48:27.bowler hat. There might be a few words going spare because I believe

:48:27. > :48:32.the Supreme Court has given them up and certainly the House of Commons

:48:32. > :48:35.have given up wearing wigs as well. I think you should have some

:48:35. > :48:41.sympathy for Mr Sarkozy. He is probably not getting a lot of sick.

:48:41. > :48:51.He is a little bit tired and irritable. They are bonkers to vote

:48:51. > :48:55.

:48:55. > :49:00.We want to have a glamourous monarchy that befits the status of

:49:00. > :49:04.our nation. I urge the Chancellor, even if in this time of austerity,

:49:04. > :49:09.one I know we are all in it together and I know the opposition

:49:09. > :49:19.spent all the money and it marks out the credit card and all of that,

:49:19. > :49:29.but I think we should look after her Majesty. What class are you?

:49:29. > :49:29.

:49:29. > :49:33.am a man of Somerset. That is where you're from. I would say, and this

:49:33. > :49:39.will probably heard you, I would say upper-middle, rather than

:49:39. > :49:49.upper-class. I am not part of the aristocracy, that's definitely true.

:49:49. > :49:50.

:49:50. > :49:52.Will we settle for upper-middle? I'm a man of the people. It is for

:49:52. > :49:57.as backbenchers to say to her Majesty's Government, stiffen the

:49:57. > :50:01.sinews, summon up the blood, and imitate the action of a tiger. That

:50:01. > :50:11.is how you should behave towards our European partners, not like bad

:50:11. > :50:19.

:50:19. > :50:25.press. -- like Bagpuss.That's all This show has been a very enjoyable

:50:25. > :50:28.to be on. This show has always mixed tough political questioning

:50:29. > :50:32.with a sense of the West Country. We've had a fascinating political

:50:32. > :50:36.year. It got crisis in the euro, difficult economic circumstances

:50:36. > :50:41.but ultimately, we've got three broad sunlit uplands to look

:50:41. > :50:47.forward to next year as Andrew Neil takes on a new programme. So, all

:50:47. > :50:54.that remains to save his merry Christmas. -- remains to say his

:50:54. > :50:59.merry Christmas. Just time for one last wish for the

:50:59. > :51:04.new year. Some economic growth and good political luck. Jobs for my

:51:04. > :51:10.constituents, they desperately need them. Replacing squabbling

:51:10. > :51:17.politicians like these two with the worst falls so we can get some West