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:00:49. > :00:52.And coming up in half an hour: We visit the Lincolnshire town where

:00:52. > :00:54.many say it's time to cut the number of EU migrants coming to

:00:54. > :00:57.work here. Plus, is it all a pipe dream? We

:00:57. > :01:07.take to the skies to assess the latest moves to cut Yorkshire's

:01:07. > :01:07.

:01:07. > :40:56.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2389 seconds

:40:56. > :41:00.It is a size which is new and some would say unproven, changing carbon

:41:00. > :41:04.changing carbon dioxide emissions into liquid which is packed out to

:41:04. > :41:08.sea to be stored for ever in for more oil and gas fields. It is one

:41:08. > :41:13.way of trying to reduce our impact on the environment and to secure

:41:13. > :41:17.our energy supplies in future. A small part of Yorkshire's proposed

:41:17. > :41:21.new multi million pound carbon Capture network opens in ten days'

:41:21. > :41:28.time. As Len Tingle reports, time is running out to protect thousands

:41:28. > :41:32.of jobs which could depend on this new technology.

:41:32. > :41:37.Ferrybridge to power station near Pontefract. In ten days' time, for

:41:37. > :41:41.as an experiment, it switches on new equipment which could preserve

:41:41. > :41:46.its new -- long-term future by capturing the greenhouse gas based

:41:46. > :41:51.carbon dioxide which spews out from his chimneys. This will be the

:41:51. > :41:54.largest capture plant of its world of its type in the world, and the

:41:55. > :41:59.learning is important in terms of developing industry. So this

:41:59. > :42:02.industry is ready to demonstrate seer to capture in a large scale.

:42:02. > :42:07.That larger-scale would involve fitting full-scale car-bomb

:42:07. > :42:11.captured plants at all Yorkshire's coal-fired power stations. The

:42:11. > :42:16.liquified gas is pumped away by pipeline along with emissions from

:42:16. > :42:20.still works and chemical companies on the humbug before sending all

:42:20. > :42:25.the vet to be stored in a while and gas fields on the North Sea.

:42:25. > :42:32.You can see how big this project is - miles and miles of pipe right

:42:32. > :42:38.across Yorkshire. It is going to take a lot of patience and a lot of

:42:38. > :42:43.money for this project to succeed. The project is nothing that we have

:42:43. > :42:47.not done before. The process is all exist, but the challenge is to do

:42:47. > :42:53.it at a much larger scale than ever before, and at a way which is

:42:53. > :42:57.integrated. But certainly it is achievable if the financing and its

:42:57. > :43:01.planned commission come together in the next few years. On the billions

:43:01. > :43:05.of European and matching taxpayers' money can afford to take the risk

:43:05. > :43:09.that it will work. A decision has to be made within months.

:43:09. > :43:13.Construction will take these plants and power stations right up to the

:43:13. > :43:19.deadline for meeting new emissions levels, if they do not, then

:43:19. > :43:25.thousands of jobs will go as they are forced to shut. The free market

:43:25. > :43:30.were not delivered car-bomb capture on their own, governments need to

:43:30. > :43:34.have capacity building mechanisms. It has not got its action -- act

:43:34. > :43:37.together yet. Given that European emissions

:43:37. > :43:45.controls are going to kick in relatively soon, he is it crucial

:43:45. > :43:50.that car-bomb capture words or tens of thousands -- car-borne capture?

:43:50. > :43:54.In this scheme comes to fruition on the Humber, the jobs picture would

:43:54. > :43:57.be transformational. A lot of infrastructure would be poor it in.

:43:57. > :44:04.And then longer term, once the infrastructure is in place you

:44:04. > :44:07.would have a hub for low car-borne projects and applications. In terms

:44:07. > :44:11.of a catalyst for growth and employment this can be very

:44:11. > :44:15.attractive. The technology needs a lot of work

:44:15. > :44:20.before it can be commercialised. Most predictions savings will not

:44:20. > :44:26.be until after the 20 30s. We need to see an acceleration of these

:44:26. > :44:29.efforts to bring that date forward. And this helicopter a guided tour

:44:29. > :44:33.for journalists is in effect cranking up the lobbying campaign

:44:34. > :44:38.to ensure the Government and the EU commissioners bought their money

:44:38. > :44:44.where their mouths are. We are now flying over the cholera.

:44:44. > :44:47.It has been piecemeal so far, but much more money is required if

:44:47. > :44:53.Yorkshire's car-bomb capture network is to work on a scale which

:44:53. > :44:58.has not been affected anywhere else in the world before. -- car-borne.

:44:58. > :45:01.My eyes in the studio is the UK at any P Godfrey Bloom, he and at

:45:01. > :45:07.Westminster is Julian Smith, Conservative MP for Skipton and

:45:07. > :45:11.Ripon. Julian Smith, a car-bomb that capture and storage facility

:45:12. > :45:18.on this scale would mean a huge investment on public money where

:45:18. > :45:23.many say the signs is as yet unproven. Is this a huge gamble?

:45:23. > :45:27.it is important that the science does stack up. It should do, but it

:45:27. > :45:32.is also important that private money comes in as well. My

:45:32. > :45:36.understanding is that many of these projects, a huge number we have got

:45:36. > :45:39.in Yorkshire and Humber, if with a great opportunity because of our

:45:40. > :45:45.industrial legacy and the infrastructure is there, a private

:45:45. > :45:49.money attached. As they demonstrate, they will bring money in this --

:45:49. > :45:54.value in this area, the Government will step in once that is proven.

:45:54. > :45:57.Godfrey Bloom is shaking his head. Of course, he independent

:45:57. > :46:02.scientists are now moving away from the fact that carbon-dioxide is a

:46:02. > :46:04.pollutant at all, and that it causes global warming. We know

:46:04. > :46:08.institutionally the main institutions across the planet are

:46:08. > :46:14.now telling us there has not been any global-warming significantly

:46:14. > :46:19.for 15 years. We also know without doubt that carbon-dioxide throw at

:46:19. > :46:25.them atmosphere for those global warming, it does not precede it.

:46:25. > :46:28.And of course who picks up the tab for it? It is old age pensioners on

:46:28. > :46:33.in Yorkshire who see their electricity bills soaring through

:46:33. > :46:38.the roof, 20 % in the last three years and destined to go up another

:46:38. > :46:41.25 %. It is all very well talking about saving the planet, but it is

:46:41. > :46:45.old age pensioners and people on fixed incomes who are going to

:46:45. > :46:51.suffer. Julian Smith, the last major

:46:51. > :46:53.potential car-borne capture probe a project in the in Scotland was

:46:53. > :46:57.abandoned a earlier this year because it was going to cost so

:46:57. > :47:01.much. Can we afford this? Government is looking very

:47:01. > :47:07.carefully on insuring value for taxpayers when it puts his money

:47:07. > :47:10.aside. That is why we are leading a cross-party campaign to get the

:47:10. > :47:14.green investment bank in Leeds and Yorkshire. We have got a huge

:47:14. > :47:18.opportunity here but we have to demonstrate on every project the

:47:18. > :47:23.taxpayer is getting value for money. Godfrey Bloom, whether you like the

:47:23. > :47:26.technology or not or you believe in man-made climate change, this could

:47:26. > :47:30.potentially create thousands of jobs in Yorkshire at a time we

:47:30. > :47:34.desperately need them. No, it is the opposite. The problem we have

:47:34. > :47:40.with all this carbon-dioxide nonsense that is being talked down

:47:40. > :47:43.Cubbon tax credits and so on, he is it makes our energy too expensive.

:47:43. > :47:48.So our manufacturing industries are being exported to China and the Far

:47:48. > :47:53.East. This is costing us thousands of jobs, and they are closing the

:47:53. > :47:58.jobs in Teesside and Cheshire. The chemical plants, the aluminium

:47:58. > :48:03.plants. This is all about screwing the poor Auld working man he is in

:48:03. > :48:09.the North of England who has got a job in manufacturing. It is killing

:48:09. > :48:15.our manufacturing industry. Dunion, is it going to hurt the Little

:48:15. > :48:19.People's profits? Godfrey is a climate change denier. But I think

:48:19. > :48:22.we have got to be in the 4th front in Britain of all these

:48:22. > :48:28.opportunities in green energy. Whether you believe in climate

:48:28. > :48:32.change or not, gas, call, a whole set of fossil fuel reliance. We

:48:32. > :48:36.have got to get stuck in here and be at the forefront of this new

:48:36. > :48:41.innovations. The Duke of Edinburgh has been quoted saying that wind

:48:41. > :48:46.farms are are useless and those who believe in them are living in a

:48:46. > :48:51.fairy-tale. But think he has employed Godfry as a scriptwriter.

:48:51. > :48:55.One thing you can say about the Duke, he tells it how it is. He is

:48:55. > :49:01.right, it is nonsense and it is about transferring wealth from poor

:49:01. > :49:05.people to rich people. What about the jobs on the Humber. Jobs entire

:49:05. > :49:11.by manufacturing. Higher energy costs jobs, it does not produce

:49:11. > :49:15.jobs. If there was not taxpayers' subsidy is, there would not be as

:49:15. > :49:20.significant -- single winter pine in the country.

:49:20. > :49:24.Joe Neots Smith, can you say that at the time when many people are

:49:24. > :49:30.facing fuel poverty, they should pay more on their energy bills to

:49:30. > :49:34.pay for wind farms? I am not a great fan of wind farms, I have a

:49:34. > :49:38.bit far constituency in England and I have not seen yet the evidence

:49:38. > :49:42.that putting two or three wind farms in beautiful villages across

:49:42. > :49:47.Yorkshire makes sense. I think we have to look at these different

:49:47. > :49:51.technologies individually. A case unproven for wind farms. Do you

:49:51. > :49:56.think Yorkshire it could be at the centre of the green energy bomb?

:49:56. > :50:00.again that is why I am backing this campaign to get the Green

:50:00. > :50:07.Investment Bank for Britain in Yorkshire. If we have a whole range

:50:07. > :50:12.of projects and Community energy projects in my constituency in

:50:12. > :50:16.settle. If we are at the forefront of this area and we have to stay

:50:16. > :50:20.here and played for Britain. Godfrey, shouldn't you be more

:50:20. > :50:25.optimistic? This could be the start of a new broom in this Driffield

:50:26. > :50:30.Show up. Thousands of jobs. jobs subsidised by the taxpayer are

:50:30. > :50:35.not real jobs. We need to create wealth and create cross. As Winston

:50:35. > :50:38.Churchill said, you do not bat by taxing and spending. It is like

:50:38. > :50:41.trying to pick yourself up by standing in a bucket. We need real

:50:41. > :50:46.jobs, not bogus jobs like these jobs.

:50:46. > :50:50.We will leave that for now, because claims that the public services in

:50:50. > :50:54.parts of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire a struggling to cope because of the

:50:54. > :50:57.impact of immigration are being looked at by researchers at the

:50:57. > :51:02.Home Office. In a week when unemployment reached its highest

:51:02. > :51:06.level since 1996, people in one Lincolnshire town have been

:51:06. > :51:15.preparing to march in protest at the number of jobs taken by migrant

:51:15. > :51:19.workers. This is the man who was prepared to

:51:19. > :51:24.take to the streets of his home town to protest against the impact

:51:24. > :51:30.of migrant workers. Dean Everitt had been planning an anti-

:51:30. > :51:35.immigration March, which was due to take place in Boston this week.

:51:35. > :51:39.was a plasterer, self-employed. On for days I was told to leave my job

:51:39. > :51:45.and on the Saturday to Polish people came in on my place. Local

:51:45. > :51:49.people have been forced out of work, housing is in short supply, school

:51:49. > :51:54.places I getting overcrowded. Hospital waiting times a ridiculous.

:51:54. > :51:58.The town is just in a mess, and it is all down to immigration.

:51:58. > :52:03.Dean was persuaded to call off his March following talks with the

:52:03. > :52:08.local council, which has set up a task force to look at the impact of

:52:08. > :52:10.immigration on Boston. Boston is a small market town that has seen as

:52:11. > :52:15.a significant impact, a disproportionate increase on the

:52:15. > :52:18.size of its migrant population, in a relatively short space of time.

:52:18. > :52:22.We have always that the difficulty of persuading people in central

:52:22. > :52:26.Government that our population profile and the size of the

:52:27. > :52:31.population is different and larger than it appears to be from the

:52:31. > :52:35.available statistics. It is not known exactly how many

:52:35. > :52:40.foreign nationals currently live in Boston. But it has been estimated

:52:40. > :52:45.at up to a quarter of the local population, giving the town the

:52:45. > :52:50.second highest number of EU migrants outside the City of London,

:52:50. > :52:53.with some schools having up to 50 % of children with English as a

:52:53. > :52:58.second language. He in the past few days, officials

:52:58. > :53:01.from the Home Office have met with Dean Everitt and representatives

:53:01. > :53:05.from various public services here in Boston. If I am told that the

:53:05. > :53:09.Government is taking seriously the long-term impact immigration is

:53:10. > :53:13.having on this part of Lincolnshire. Last month the Prime Minister told

:53:13. > :53:17.me that more British people should be filling jobs that are currently

:53:18. > :53:22.held by migrant workers. There are a lot of jobs that are

:53:22. > :53:26.done in Lincolnshire that people come over from Europe to do, but

:53:27. > :53:31.frankly British people can could and should do. We are reforming

:53:31. > :53:36.welfare, so it is no longer being an option to sit on the Gulf when

:53:36. > :53:42.there is work available for you. My arena, who is Portuguese, is

:53:42. > :53:47.doing a child care apprenticeship. -- Marina. She people come here to

:53:47. > :53:55.live off benefits. People think that every foreigner in Boston is

:53:55. > :53:57.the same, but they are not. And many farmers say Lincolnshire's

:53:57. > :54:01.lucrative food production industry would not survive without migrant

:54:01. > :54:07.labour. I don't think we could find enough

:54:07. > :54:11.English workers to do that job. If you take 50 % a way, if what

:54:11. > :54:14.happens when we are in full swing and we find out we do not have

:54:14. > :54:18.enough workers? Were what the state of the bosses

:54:18. > :54:23.who say we need migrant workers to do double -- jobs British workers

:54:23. > :54:26.could not do? I would like to say, who would do that job -- who did

:54:26. > :54:30.their job before the mike was landed there? It was us, the people

:54:30. > :54:33.of Boston. But Home Office says its

:54:33. > :54:38.researchers are looking at the impact of migrants on public

:54:38. > :54:42.services across the country. Many here are eagerly a words --

:54:42. > :54:46.awaiting the findings. Let us go to Godfrey Bloom on this

:54:46. > :54:49.one. You have been quoted as saying that you believe migrant workers

:54:49. > :54:54.make more reliable workers than British workers. Why do you think

:54:54. > :54:57.that? This is the feedback I have got from employers, but we need to

:54:57. > :55:05.restructure the entire welfare system. We have a minimum wage

:55:05. > :55:09.policy which has -- his double that in eastern Europe. We have got a

:55:09. > :55:15.welfare state which I would argue has always been a mistake, where

:55:15. > :55:20.welfare is a lifestyle choice. What is actually happening is the market

:55:20. > :55:25.is saying we want these workers, and we want -- and there are people

:55:25. > :55:29.in Boston who would like to do the jobs, and we have a suicidal

:55:29. > :55:34.immigration policy, because our immigration policy is dictated by

:55:34. > :55:38.Brussels. This is the sort of problem we have.

:55:38. > :55:41.Chilean, do you sympathise with the people in Boston and many other

:55:41. > :55:45.towns across the country, who say public services are struggling to

:55:45. > :55:50.cope because of the sheer number of migrant workers who have come here

:55:50. > :55:56.in recent years? Yes, that is why my colleague Mark Simmons in Boston

:55:56. > :56:01.is looking at this area, and the Government is putting in place

:56:01. > :56:06.incredibly tough new restrictions on immigrants from outside the EU

:56:06. > :56:10.coming into Britain. We have also got to look at why our immigrant

:56:10. > :56:15.workers are attractive to employers. They are attractive in my

:56:15. > :56:18.constituency and across Yorkshire and I think they'd land from, one

:56:18. > :56:21.of the values the commitment the energy they bring to employers.

:56:21. > :56:26.But you are powerless to stop migrants from was EU countries

:56:26. > :56:32.coming here. If you cannot turn off the tap. The last Labour Government

:56:32. > :56:37.did not impose any restrictions on the EU migrants. But the counter to

:56:37. > :56:42.that is businesses in Yorkshire can go and trade across the EU, workers

:56:42. > :56:46.in Yorkshire can go and work across the EU. If we are better to look at

:56:46. > :56:52.what are the skills and values, what other ways of working, of

:56:52. > :56:57.these immigrant workers, and how do we as a British born workers try

:56:57. > :57:02.and match them? Then these jobs will be much more accessible --

:57:02. > :57:07.acceptable for local people. Godfry, but in many places migrant

:57:07. > :57:11.people a part of the fabric of society. They are here to stay,

:57:11. > :57:15.aren't they? This is typical of the intellectual dishonesty of the

:57:15. > :57:19.Conservative Party. You are quite right, there is absolutely nothing

:57:19. > :57:22.that can be done, and you cannot blame the previous Government. If

:57:22. > :57:26.you cannot restrict immigration from European Union countries. If

:57:26. > :57:31.people come here from eastern Europe where they are badly paid

:57:31. > :57:34.and come here to do jobs that either we will not do our cannot do.

:57:34. > :57:39.So it is completely ridiculous to say that we can do anything about

:57:39. > :57:42.it. While we are part of the European Union, our immigration

:57:42. > :57:45.policy will be decided in Brussels and not Westminster. I think a

:57:45. > :57:50.little honesty from Julian Smith would be valid for.

:57:51. > :57:54.I knew been dishonest? Are as I said, we cannot do anything about

:57:54. > :57:58.European immigration, but as I suggested, there are lessons that

:57:58. > :58:03.can be learned from immigrant workers who are coming here and

:58:03. > :58:07.proving attractive to employers. The work programme, various

:58:07. > :58:11.policies to get local workforce skilled up are important, but it is

:58:11. > :58:14.also an attitude of mind. Our British-born workers have quite a

:58:14. > :58:18.lot to learn from many of these migrants coming and taking jobs

:58:18. > :58:24.that they feel they should be getting. So how do you get, Godfrey

:58:24. > :58:28.Bloom, British people off benefits and into work? Well, the last thing

:58:28. > :58:32.you do is to pay perfectly fit young men and women to sit at home

:58:32. > :58:36.watching television. So this welfare culture which has been

:58:36. > :58:42.brought on needs to stop and is to stop straight away. We also needs

:58:42. > :58:47.to look at art education system to look at better in -- providing

:58:47. > :58:55.better educated people, and getting away from the system where people

:58:55. > :58:59.do not have the work ethic. Many -- the man in your film is being

:58:59. > :59:03.tarred with the same brush as the boy who do not have to work -- do

:59:03. > :59:08.not want to work. I feel sorry for that man has lost his job through

:59:08. > :59:13.no fault of his or her. A group of be a -- bishops have

:59:13. > :59:18.written a letter today criticising the Government's limit of �500 a

:59:18. > :59:21.week which households will be able to claim in benefits in future. The

:59:21. > :59:25.Bishop of Ripon and Leeds is leading a debate. What is your

:59:26. > :59:31.message to him? He is detached from the reality of people who are

:59:31. > :59:35.working flat out to stay afloat in this very tough economic times.

:59:35. > :59:40.�500 per week is the cap for the Government is introducing. Speak to

:59:40. > :59:44.any of my constituents who are working in businesses bought in

:59:44. > :59:49.employment, and they will think that is a lot of money. The bishops

:59:49. > :59:53.to stick to his task of running and helping to run the Church of

:59:53. > :59:57.England and leave the task of the benefit cap to Mr Cameron and his