:00:18. > :00:21.Welcome to The Record. The headlines... The Health Secretary
:00:21. > :00:23.defends the watering down of changes to the NHS in England. The
:00:23. > :00:29.Government scraps plans to force councils to collect rubbish every
:00:29. > :00:34.week. But Labour's unimpressed. Will she apologised to families who
:00:34. > :00:37.have been led up the garden path by what she has said? And as a
:00:37. > :00:41.drought's declared in parts of England how about a national grid
:00:41. > :00:44.for water? The Government has unveiled big changes to its
:00:44. > :00:46.controversial plans for the NHS in England. It's accepted
:00:46. > :00:52.recommendations from a panel of health experts known as the "Future
:00:52. > :00:54.Forum". Ahead of the announcement in the Commons the Prime Minister,
:00:55. > :00:58.Deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary visited a central London
:00:58. > :01:01.hospital to meet staff and patients. It's part of their latest attempts
:01:01. > :01:07.to show they have listened to the concerns of health professionals
:01:07. > :01:10.and those who use the NHS. In the Commons, the Health Secretary
:01:10. > :01:17.announced the changes to the Bill which the government had put on
:01:17. > :01:20.hold while it consulted on the plans. I have always said a One
:01:20. > :01:29.there to be no decision about me without make for patients when it
:01:30. > :01:39.comes to their own care. -- without me. Order. Let's hear the statement
:01:40. > :01:41.
:01:41. > :01:44.So we will further clarify the duties on the NHS commissioning
:01:44. > :01:47.Board and clinical commissioning groups to involve patients, carers
:01:47. > :01:49.and the public. Commissioning groups will have to consult the
:01:49. > :01:53.public on their annual commissioning plans and involve
:01:53. > :01:56.them in any changes that would affect patients' services. One of
:01:56. > :01:59.the main ways patients will influence the NHS will be through
:01:59. > :02:01.the exercise will informed choice. We will amend the Bill to
:02:01. > :02:06.strengthen and that the size commissioners duty to promote
:02:06. > :02:11.patient choice. Choice of any qualified provide will be limited
:02:11. > :02:16.to those areas where there is a national, or local tariff. It will
:02:16. > :02:20.ensure competition is based solely on quality. This tariff development
:02:21. > :02:25.alongside a best-value approach to tended services will save guard
:02:25. > :02:28.against cherry-picking -- attended. It all protect and promote the
:02:28. > :02:31.interests of patients, we will remove its duty to promote
:02:31. > :02:35.competition as though that where an end in itself. Instead it will be
:02:35. > :02:40.under a duty to support services integrated around the needs of
:02:40. > :02:45.patients and the continuous improvement of quality. Through the
:02:45. > :02:55.recommendations of the NHS future forum and our response we have
:02:55. > :03:00.
:03:00. > :03:03.demonstrated a willingness to To make big changes, not abandon
:03:03. > :03:07.the principles of reform which the forum themselves said were
:03:07. > :03:11.supported across the service, but to be clear the NHS is too
:03:11. > :03:19.important and modernisation to vital for us not be sure of getting
:03:19. > :03:23.the legislation right. Humiliating. The health secretary has had health
:03:23. > :03:27.policy taken out of his hands. He has spent the last nine months
:03:27. > :03:33.telling anyone who criticised the government's health plans that they
:03:33. > :03:41.were wrong and that they did not understand. Today he admits he is
:03:41. > :03:45.wrong. How can he argue this blueprint for the biggest
:03:45. > :03:50.reorganisation in chess history with any credibility, or integrity
:03:50. > :03:59.-- NHS history? The man Who mistook so badly last year telling us how
:04:00. > :04:03.you will mess up next year, too. -- he will. Does the Secretary of
:04:03. > :04:08.State not recognise that by pretending to produce a
:04:08. > :04:13.collaborative Silk purse out of competitive pigs areas will not
:04:13. > :04:16.work? The government's response has satisfied 70 per cent of the demand
:04:16. > :04:19.for changes on the list. It is seemingly not enough, clearly
:04:19. > :04:23.cannot be enough, because ironically it is the list of
:04:23. > :04:29.amendments tabled by the Labour Party during the committee stage.
:04:29. > :04:33.Why does he think it is so hard to build consensus and why are the
:04:33. > :04:38.Labour Party being given amendments they asked for and being so
:04:38. > :04:43.pointlessly churlish? I have to tell my honourable friend There are
:04:43. > :04:49.many things beyond many of us to understand. One of them is the
:04:49. > :04:59.Labour Party and the way in which they approach a policy. This is
:04:59. > :04:59.
:04:59. > :05:03.clear evidence of a listening government. Is the Secretary of
:05:03. > :05:08.State -- does the Secretary of State agree with me that what the
:05:08. > :05:13.NHS now meets is a consensus across all political parties and for
:05:13. > :05:19.everybody to put their money where their mouth is and support the NHS
:05:19. > :05:21.and these changes as we move forward? Does the Secretary of
:05:21. > :05:27.State on the stammer when the Labour government was empowered
:05:27. > :05:32.increase the money from 33 billion to 111 billion in one Derek -- won
:05:32. > :05:42.decade. And now we are witnessing, at a cost of �2 billion, a new
:05:42. > :05:46.Frankenstein monster all to pacify a these liberals and Judas with
:05:46. > :05:52.their 80 pieces of silver. I have a mission for the honourable
:05:52. > :05:56.gentleman, I think he should have to Wales because in England this
:05:56. > :05:59.coalition government has committed to increase in NHS Budget in real
:05:59. > :06:02.terms in the light of this Parliament, the King's Fund
:06:02. > :06:06.reported the other week that in Wales a Labour Government is
:06:06. > :06:15.intending to reduce in real terms the NHS Budget by over eight per
:06:15. > :06:21.cent. I welcome the changes that were announced today and I welcome
:06:21. > :06:25.the right thing. But I am very concerned that the bureaucracy that
:06:25. > :06:29.will be around after all these changes goes through could be worse
:06:29. > :06:37.than what we have at the moment. I genuinely would like to be
:06:37. > :06:42.reassured on that. I'm grateful to the honourable lady for a support
:06:42. > :06:45.for the majority of these recommendations. The bureaucracy
:06:45. > :06:49.will reduce in the NHS as a consequence of all this, for one
:06:49. > :06:52.simple reason, because we are shifting the ownership of
:06:52. > :06:56.commissioning and the responsibility for the design and
:06:56. > :06:59.delivery of services from what is essentially a distant managerial
:06:59. > :07:05.organisation into one that is locked into the clinical decision-
:07:05. > :07:08.making of doctors and nurses across the service. What we have now is in
:07:08. > :07:18.danger of being a dog's breakfast. How much has this cost the UK
:07:18. > :07:18.
:07:18. > :07:28.taxpayer so far this reorganisation? Listening exercise
:07:28. > :07:29.
:07:29. > :07:33.to date on 14th June has cost �36,640.97. The process of
:07:33. > :07:37.modernisation in the NHS is saving hundreds of millions of pounds
:07:37. > :07:40.every month. A few minutes earlier, Labour MPs
:07:40. > :07:47.had been gleeful about what they saw as another humiliating U-turn
:07:47. > :07:50.by Ministers, this one over rubbish. The Government's decided it won't,
:07:50. > :07:53.after all, force local councils in England to go back to weekly bin
:07:53. > :07:57.collections following the decision of many of them to remove rubbish
:07:57. > :07:59.from houses on a fortnightly basis. The change to less frequent
:07:59. > :08:09.collections has proved unpopular with some but the previous
:08:09. > :08:10.
:08:10. > :08:14.government insisted it would boost We will make it easier for people
:08:14. > :08:18.to recycle and tackle measures introduced by the last government
:08:18. > :08:22.which encouraged councils are specifically to cut the scope of
:08:22. > :08:30.collections. We will remove the criminal sanctions applying to
:08:30. > :08:36.householders so that households are not menaced for simple mistakes.
:08:36. > :08:42.Labour turned its fire on the Communities Secretary, Eric Pickles.
:08:42. > :08:46.Before the election it was said it was a basic right for every English
:08:46. > :08:49.man and woman to be able to put the remnant of their chicken tikka
:08:49. > :08:56.masala in their been without having to wait a fortnight for it to be
:08:56. > :08:59.collected. -- in their bin. Perhaps the Secretary of State could
:08:59. > :09:03.explain why the government position has changed. It is a bit rich
:09:03. > :09:09.coming from the opposition who had 13 years to get to grips with
:09:09. > :09:14.landfill. It could, if it wanted, have got on and burnt wood,
:09:14. > :09:18.materials, textiles if it had so chosen to do. I fear the opposition
:09:18. > :09:22.is still in denial about the dreadful economic legacy it has
:09:22. > :09:29.left. We is unacceptable to have rotting food waste hanging around
:09:29. > :09:34.for up to a fortnight in bins. Would she tell councils hopefully
:09:34. > :09:39.they will release have a weekly collection? I said a response to an
:09:39. > :09:42.earlier collection -- question from the right honourable lady that we
:09:42. > :09:47.believe it is important to support local authorities are want to
:09:47. > :09:55.provide a weekly collection of the smelly part of the waste and death
:09:55. > :10:02.row will make available �10 million to assist them in that. -- DEFRA.
:10:02. > :10:06.Why is she so selfishly hanging onto this which she could have led
:10:06. > :10:16.the community Secretary... I might remind the honourable gentleman
:10:16. > :10:23.
:10:23. > :10:26.that we are a coalition government, a government of two parties... And
:10:26. > :10:29.he might like to read the coalition agreement's commitment which is
:10:29. > :10:35.that the government would work towards a zero waste economy and
:10:35. > :10:39.encourage councils to pay people to recycle and the Jews littering and
:10:39. > :10:44.measures to promote a huge increase in energy from waste through our
:10:44. > :10:48.digestion as set out in our review today. Five years ago the
:10:48. > :10:53.Conservatives made the same promise over weekly collections, then break
:10:53. > :10:58.it. Now they have spent too 0.5 million with their Lib Dem friends
:10:58. > :11:03.on a complicated recycling scheme with 10 different bins, boxes and
:11:03. > :11:09.bags which has turned Newcastle into a curiosity. It could not now
:11:09. > :11:19.afford to reinstate... Order. I did appeal for short questions. A
:11:19. > :11:22.
:11:22. > :11:26.sentence. Isn't that government's pickle over this reflective...
:11:26. > :11:30.think the most important message is that the government is trying to
:11:30. > :11:35.make it easier for people to do the right thing. So whether you are at
:11:35. > :11:39.home trying to deal with your household refuge, -- refused, at
:11:39. > :11:45.work, or on the go, we must make it easier to waste less and recycle
:11:45. > :11:50.more. I thank my right honourable friend for the flexibility, in
:11:50. > :11:55.contrast to my right honourable friend ahead of me. My local
:11:55. > :11:58.authority of works with the private sector, they provide a two weekly
:11:58. > :12:02.service but a weekly food waste. The key factor has been a
:12:02. > :12:06.flexibility of a good contract with the private sector. Would she not
:12:06. > :12:11.agree as local authorities who have been dogmatic about not using
:12:11. > :12:14.competitive tendering should be again? It is all very well behind -
:12:14. > :12:18.- hiding behind the language of local choices, her government
:12:18. > :12:26.promised they would bring back weedy Bin collections across the
:12:26. > :12:33.country. -- of Wheatley bin collections. -- weekly bin
:12:33. > :12:35.collections. I made it clear the coalition consists of two parties
:12:35. > :12:41.who struck an agreement. It included provisions on waste which
:12:41. > :12:43.we are fulfilling today. I said that had clearly.
:12:43. > :12:46.Legislation designed to improve pupil behaviour and give schools in
:12:46. > :12:49.England greater "autonomy" has had its first airing in the Lords.
:12:49. > :12:52.Approved by the Commons last month, a key provision of the Education
:12:52. > :12:58.Bill is that all new schools should be academies which are publicly-
:12:58. > :13:00.funded but free from state control. Labour gave notice that it would be
:13:00. > :13:10.challenging several measures in the Bill while a Liberal Democrat said
:13:10. > :13:19.
:13:19. > :13:26.It is the rather lifeless word. We want outstanding heads and teachers
:13:26. > :13:32.to be free to use their experience to do what is best for the children.
:13:32. > :13:37.In legislation, there is a danger that we sometimes prescribed
:13:37. > :13:43.everything. The difficulty with that in polls is that the effect
:13:43. > :13:50.over time is to soak up the system and make professionals feel
:13:50. > :13:54.constrained in exercising their judgment on the ground. We believe
:13:54. > :14:01.that teachers need the authority to search for items which could be
:14:01. > :14:06.brought into school to cause harm or injury. We also propose to give
:14:06. > :14:15.them the power to search for and confiscate items banned under
:14:15. > :14:23.school rules. Had there was also in the ancient of unfair allegations
:14:23. > :14:33.been made by pupils against teachers. When a people or someone
:14:33. > :14:37.
:14:37. > :14:40.on their behalf alleges the teacher has caused an offence. Alongside
:14:40. > :14:45.legislation that we would like to pit in place so that these
:14:45. > :14:53.incidents are dealt with quickly, up these measures will hopefully
:14:53. > :15:02.provide better support for teachers. At the time when the debate is
:15:02. > :15:08.about trying to drive up academic standards and spread out resources
:15:08. > :15:12.freely, at this bill fails to meet the challenge. Instead it seeks to
:15:12. > :15:20.redefine the relationship between schools, parents and local
:15:20. > :15:28.communities, gives diminished responsibility and, as such, there
:15:28. > :15:37.is plenty in this bill to give us cause for concern. She also
:15:37. > :15:46.criticised the idea of new academies. The idea has been turned
:15:46. > :15:53.on its head. Now, every school will be encouraged to become an academy.
:15:53. > :16:03.It means by 2050, we could have an all a Academy world. 20,000 schools
:16:03. > :16:09.all with their own admission policy. Schools will have the clear
:16:09. > :16:13.incentive to admit the most able students and with the in weekend
:16:13. > :16:19.adjudicator and greater competition between schools, backdoor selection
:16:19. > :16:27.becomes more likely. Such a world could be a dangerous place for less
:16:27. > :16:34.academic children or those with special needs. Can sense were also
:16:35. > :16:41.feared about other concerns. It is about the trust about preparing a
:16:41. > :16:48.child for its future life in the workplace. I have concerns about
:16:48. > :16:53.training and I will be raising these as the bill progresses.
:16:53. > :16:59.think the Government could make the mistake of thinking that a child's
:16:59. > :17:07.education only takes place in school. From birth onwards, a child
:17:07. > :17:16.is learning and yet a full-time educator spends less than 30 % of
:17:16. > :17:23.its making hours in school. Yet one who sponsors the Academy spoke of
:17:23. > :17:32.his experience. It is ironic that I should be an Academy sponsor, given
:17:33. > :17:37.that I played truant for six months! Therefore, I do have
:17:37. > :17:46.something in common with those who feel a bit disenfranchised and I
:17:46. > :17:49.left school with only a couple of all levels. Lord Edmiston there,
:17:49. > :17:51.making his first speech in the House of Lords.
:17:51. > :17:55.A former Tory minister says the government should consider a
:17:55. > :17:57."national grid" for water. Lord Glenarthur's comments come after a
:17:57. > :18:01.state of drought was declared in parts of England following the
:18:01. > :18:07.driest spring on record. Many areas of the South and East
:18:07. > :18:10.have turned dry and dusty after months with little rain. The recent
:18:10. > :18:13.showers in parts of England have done little to help farmers worried
:18:13. > :18:15.about the impact on their crops. The subject came up at Lords
:18:15. > :18:25.Questions, when a former Plaid Cymru leader raised comments by the
:18:25. > :18:27.
:18:27. > :18:34.Lord Mayor of London. The that the shortages of water in London might
:18:34. > :18:40.be helped by a making large reservoirs in Wales, up fund will
:18:40. > :18:50.buy it channels of canals. Could he reassure us that that is not the
:18:50. > :18:52.
:18:52. > :18:56.case? I was not aware of this proposal. We heard from the side
:18:56. > :19:03.opposite that Wales has had its fair share and parts of Scotland
:19:03. > :19:12.have certainly had their fair share. Has any work been done to try and
:19:12. > :19:18.work out a way of transporting water more nationally to a areas
:19:18. > :19:24.which are suffering, which as my colleague Lord Cathcart so
:19:24. > :19:34.constituency is. Add good deal of water has already transferred
:19:34. > :19:37.
:19:37. > :19:47.within the United Kingdom. There are some longer links. There are
:19:47. > :19:47.
:19:47. > :19:52.indeed links between what are ways in the veins and Essex. There are
:19:52. > :19:58.regulatory regimes and the will talk to them to see if there are
:19:58. > :20:05.ways we're trading of water can be done between companies. They are
:20:05. > :20:08.the key companies at the centre of this.
:20:08. > :20:11.Foreign Secretary William Hague has told MPs he is pressing for
:20:11. > :20:13.humanitarian help to be given to Syrians attacked by their own
:20:13. > :20:16.military. Mr Hague told the Commons he was
:20:16. > :20:18.due to meet the foreign minister of Turkey and would raise the issue
:20:18. > :20:21.then. He said Turkey was Syria's closest foreign neighbour.
:20:21. > :20:23.People are heading for the country's borders and hoping to
:20:24. > :20:25.flee, amid reports that 1,000 Syrians have been killed since the
:20:26. > :20:27.start of demonstrations and violence in the country.
:20:28. > :20:30.There has been widespread international condemnation of the
:20:30. > :20:35.regime of Syria's President Assad, which has used force to suppress
:20:35. > :20:43.the protests. In the Commons, MPs asked what was being done by the
:20:43. > :20:48.international community. The Syrian government continues to use it
:20:48. > :20:52.unacceptable violence against brought democracy protesters. They
:20:52. > :20:58.have launched offences against the range of villages and we have
:20:58. > :21:03.reports of large military build-ups in other towns. There are credible
:21:03. > :21:11.reports that over 1,000 people have been killed since the beginning of
:21:12. > :21:15.the protests. This violence is unacceptable and must top. I thank
:21:15. > :21:19.the Foreign Secretary for his answer, but a bit like to know if
:21:19. > :21:27.there is any progress on the Red Cross getting access to help
:21:27. > :21:32.civilians who have been attacked? That is a good question and, sadly,
:21:32. > :21:35.the answer is No. This was discussed a few days ago with the
:21:35. > :21:41.Red Cross and one of the things we have called on the Syrian
:21:41. > :21:46.government to let in his humanitarian access. This remains a
:21:46. > :21:50.work prime consideration in Syria. I will discuss this with the
:21:50. > :22:00.Turkish Foreign Minister and see what can be done more to work with
:22:00. > :22:04.
:22:04. > :22:11.Turkey, Syria's closest neighbour. The House will be aware that 5,000
:22:11. > :22:15.refugees have registered on the border. This evening, he will be
:22:15. > :22:20.speaking to the newly elected Turkish government about the
:22:20. > :22:25.situation in Syria. Kenny inform the House how hard he will be if
:22:25. > :22:33.pressing Turkey, who have European Union aspirations, how they will
:22:33. > :22:37.approach this question mark yes, I will of course be doing this and
:22:37. > :22:46.the Prime Minister has already talked to the new Prime Minister of
:22:46. > :22:50.Turkey since the general election was decided last week. Turkey,
:22:50. > :23:00.despite the general election campaign, has been spending a lot
:23:00. > :23:02.
:23:02. > :23:09.of time and effort trying to persuade Turkey - - Syria to adopt
:23:09. > :23:12.a more neutral approach to this. William Hague there. And the main
:23:12. > :23:14.news again... The Health Secretary has confirmed
:23:14. > :23:17.major changes to the government's health reforms in England. GPs will
:23:17. > :23:20.no longer be solely responsible for commissioning care and competition
:23:20. > :23:23.will not be imposed by a new health care regulator. It follows a two-
:23:23. > :23:26.month consultation and review by an independent panel of experts.
:23:26. > :23:29.Three mobile phone companies have told MPs they have not contacted
:23:29. > :23:31.customers whose mobile phones may have been hacked. In evidence to
:23:31. > :23:34.the Commons Home Affairs Committee, representatives from Vodafone,
:23:34. > :23:38.Orange and T-Mobile said they had not told their customers in case
:23:38. > :23:44.they disrupted a police investigation. O2 did tell
:23:44. > :23:47.customers, after first clearing it with police. But eyebrows were
:23:47. > :23:56.raised at what the committee chair suggested could be seen as a
:23:56. > :24:01.complacent attitude. We estimate that there are about 40 victims on
:24:01. > :24:07.the Vodafone network, but what we have not seen is the information
:24:07. > :24:12.that the police hold. So we cannot wait get an exact figure yet. We
:24:12. > :24:16.have been working with the police on this. We provided the police
:24:16. > :24:25.with the information that they asked for and in order not to
:24:25. > :24:29.jeopardise any police inquiry, we did not inform customers. Was there
:24:29. > :24:37.not an assumption by the police that you would have contacted the
:24:37. > :24:40.victims? That is not the case, no. We work closely with the
:24:41. > :24:50.Metropolitan Police in all cases so that we would not jeopardise their
:24:50. > :24:59.inquiry. He did not ask for you to contact the customers? Nor, they
:24:59. > :25:08.did not say that. Nobody involved in the case at the time has any Rec
:25:08. > :25:17.Polish chain of as being asked to contact the victims. We needed
:25:17. > :25:24.decision to tell our customers. We did contact the customers. How do
:25:24. > :25:30.you find out who the where? We went back through records so that we
:25:30. > :25:34.could work out who would be affected. So you did not wait for
:25:34. > :25:44.the police to give you the go- ahead? You simply went through your
:25:44. > :25:48.
:25:48. > :25:57.own records and did it? Yes, that is the case. And what did you tell
:25:57. > :26:07.them? We told them that there was a criminal investigation ongoing, so
:26:07. > :26:08.
:26:08. > :26:14.we could not tell them a lot more at that stage. We informed the
:26:14. > :26:18.customers of that. We had a list of customers who we thought might have
:26:18. > :26:27.been affected and we put together a team who contacted them and spoke
:26:27. > :26:33.to them and said, this is what we believe may have happened. Nor, we
:26:33. > :26:43.were under the impression that we could not get in touch with
:26:43. > :26:44.
:26:44. > :26:54.customers because it could affect a police operation. So you were not
:26:54. > :26:54.
:26:54. > :26:57.told not to contact the customers? Nor, we believe that there are a
:26:57. > :27:07.number of circumstances in which that could prejudice an inquiry and
:27:07. > :27:08.
:27:08. > :27:13.we would not want to do that. are the circumstances of that?
:27:13. > :27:19.There are people who it they will work with in companies where other
:27:19. > :27:24.people are holding their phones for them and things like that. But is
:27:24. > :27:34.that not rather a complacent attitude, that there was this
:27:34. > :27:35.
:27:35. > :27:45.allegations off for hiking and your company did nothing? No, I do not
:27:45. > :27:48.
:27:48. > :27:55.think so. We did not want to prejudice any police investigation.
:27:55. > :28:03.Now, we have been hearing about this in relation to the stars and
:28:03. > :28:11.celebrities. Did it come as any surprise that you found out that
:28:11. > :28:21.this had been taking place? I think at that time, the industry was not
:28:21. > :28:23.
:28:23. > :28:27.aware of the problem. Sometimes, you get word through the industry
:28:27. > :28:31.that there could be a weakness and the problem. But there was nothing
:28:31. > :28:34.like that this time. Representatives of some of our
:28:34. > :28:38.major mobile companies there, appearing before MPs in the row
:28:38. > :28:41.over phone hacking. And that is it for now, but do join me at the same