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:00:06. > :00:34.Avenue in danger of becoming Drumcree mark two?

:00:34. > :00:40.Nearly three months on, this is the night the reality and there is no

:00:40. > :00:43.sign of an ending any time soon. 5,000 jobs and £300 million of

:00:43. > :00:46.investment in jeopardy at the Maze/Long Kesh site. The

:00:46. > :00:50.construction industry tells this programme it's frustrated by the

:00:50. > :00:55.stalemate. We want to see the economy growing,

:00:55. > :00:57.we want to see the economy rebalanced, and these projects are

:00:57. > :00:59.vital to that. And joining me with their thoughts,

:00:59. > :01:01.vital to that. our regular pair in Commentators'

:01:01. > :01:08.Corner, Professors Heenan and Wilford. We'll also have the view

:01:08. > :01:11.from our man on the hill. I have the real view of what is

:01:11. > :01:13.going on at Pier. And you can, of course, follow the

:01:13. > :01:24.programme on Twitter - @BBCtheview. So, another week and another row

:01:24. > :01:28.over the future of the Maze/Long Kesh project. Martin McGuinness told

:01:28. > :01:31.the Assembly there can be no further development on the site unless the

:01:31. > :01:35.agreement to build a peace centre is fully honoured. In August, Peter

:01:35. > :01:38.Robinson withdrew his party's support for the centre, claiming it

:01:38. > :01:42.lacks the necessary consensus to move forward. In a moment, I'll be

:01:42. > :01:44.talking to the chief executive of Co-operation Ireland, Peter

:01:44. > :01:48.Sheridan, the Sinn Fein MLA, Gerry Kelly, and the MP for North Belfast

:01:48. > :01:53.and deputy leader of the DUP Nigel Dodds. But first, let's hear exactly

:01:53. > :01:56.what the Deputy First Minister had to say on the subject earlier this

:01:56. > :02:04.week. As everybody knows, there is a

:02:04. > :02:08.programme for government commitment and we have received a letter of

:02:08. > :02:12.offer for 18 million from the European Union to complete the

:02:12. > :02:14.project. The withdrawal from our partners in government is deeply

:02:14. > :02:17.disappointing. The combined efforts partners in government is deeply

:02:17. > :02:28.of the Ulster Unionist party in mounting a campaign were deplorable.

:02:28. > :02:30.The inability to honour a programme for government commitment has

:02:30. > :02:34.created very significant difficulties for me as Deputy First

:02:34. > :02:40.Minister. The peace building and conflict resolution centre always

:02:40. > :02:43.wanted to be a symbol of a new future where space is opened up for

:02:43. > :02:48.dialogue and reconciliation between future where space is opened up for

:02:48. > :02:57.our people. It was the jewel in the crown of the Maze/Long Kesh site and

:02:57. > :02:59.will undoubtedly be a tourist mecca. Sadly, the agreements that have been

:02:59. > :03:05.made have not been honoured. Martin McGuinness speaking in the

:03:05. > :03:09.Assembly on Monday. Peter Sheridan, how do you think the MLK issue has

:03:09. > :03:19.been handled by our politicians over the past month? I think it is

:03:19. > :03:22.understandable in many ways that way you have ethnic political parties

:03:22. > :03:27.that there are always going to be those divisions about such critical

:03:28. > :03:35.issues as the Maze/Long Kesh. I had the benefit of talking at length

:03:35. > :03:39.about some of the projects, including the World Trade Center,

:03:39. > :03:44.and he was also the architect in the Jewish Museum in Berlin and the

:03:44. > :03:49.German museum in Dresden. In all of those projects, he said he had the

:03:49. > :03:54.same conflicts. In the World Trade Center, when he was developing the

:03:54. > :03:58.site, the police, the fire department and the FBI also allowed

:03:58. > :04:03.because some of them said, unless we rebuild this place the way it was,

:04:03. > :04:14.it will be a shrine to terrorism. Anybody who has visited the site now

:04:14. > :04:17.will know that is not what happened. There is a job of work to do to

:04:17. > :04:18.persuade people why this will be of benefit and will be an international

:04:18. > :04:21.persuade people why this will be of peace centre, but it will require us

:04:21. > :04:24.to persuade people and I don't think that persuasion comes easy. Has

:04:24. > :04:30.there been a failure of political leadership? It is a failure of a

:04:30. > :04:31.lack of vision of what this site was going to be. I could have had the

:04:31. > :04:38.same views as other people that this going to be. I could have had the

:04:38. > :04:42.would be a shrine to terrorism. Because of your past as a senior

:04:42. > :04:50.peace officer? It is an automatic reaction. Somebody involved in the

:04:50. > :04:53.death of my loved one is going to be remembered in a shrine at Maze/Long

:04:53. > :04:57.Kesh. But when I listened to the architect, I got convinced

:04:57. > :05:01.otherwise. The possibility that we might become outward looking and we

:05:02. > :05:07.may be able to help in other conflicts around the world in what

:05:07. > :05:11.we learned here. Perhaps that vision has not been given to people enough

:05:11. > :05:15.so that they can make judgements so they have come to a natural

:05:15. > :05:20.conclusion at the start. Nigel Dodds, I interviewed him a month ago

:05:20. > :05:27.and he said precisely what he said on the occasion that Peter Sheridan

:05:27. > :05:30.spoke to him. Why is it that many within the Unionist family have not

:05:30. > :05:34.picked up on that? Is it because they have not heard it? Or they

:05:34. > :05:43.don't want to believe it when he says it? It is the fact that there

:05:43. > :05:48.is not a consensus in support of the peace Centre at the Maze/Long Kesh.

:05:48. > :05:53.It is a fact that conference has been undermined by events of this

:05:53. > :06:01.year in particular. I think that the reality is that unless you have

:06:01. > :06:08.consensus, a piece site like that becomes a cause of division. And why

:06:08. > :06:10.has that come about? It has come about despite efforts to move

:06:10. > :06:15.forward because of the very bad about despite efforts to move

:06:15. > :06:20.situation it created in and around the whole issue of the past,

:06:20. > :06:23.particularly, and I listened to Martin McGuinness talk about the

:06:23. > :06:27.difficult position he had been put in, what about the difficult

:06:27. > :06:32.position a lot of the victims, people that Peter has mentioned and

:06:32. > :06:35.families of those victims and people who served and innocent victims, who

:06:35. > :06:42.have had to listen to Martin McGuinness and his friends and Jerry

:06:42. > :06:50.Kelly yet wallowing in the filth of violence -- Jerry Kelly here. They

:06:50. > :06:56.have never said that is what they want the Maze/Long Kesh project to

:06:56. > :07:00.be. People say we must have a shared future, and yet rather than moving

:07:00. > :07:02.forward, and they lecture everybody else about moving forward, going

:07:03. > :07:08.back over a number of years now of else about moving forward, going

:07:08. > :07:13.glorification of terrorism, of violence, of murder. Even people in

:07:13. > :07:18.the Catholic community. I think people have seen a scenario painted

:07:18. > :07:21.out here when they say, how can we trust these people because what they

:07:21. > :07:25.are really about is glorifying their murderous past? Not some kind of

:07:26. > :07:31.are really about is glorifying their glorious campaign but murder, pure

:07:31. > :07:37.and simple. How can someone like Peter Sheridan can be persuaded that

:07:37. > :07:38.the project would not pH Rhine to television -- terrorism and yet

:07:38. > :07:44.the project would not pH Rhine to others can't? Everybody will

:07:44. > :07:51.approach it from their own personal perspective and I respect that,

:07:51. > :07:55.because I respect the views of wide swathe of opinion, but in Northern

:07:55. > :07:58.Ireland, as political leaders, and it is leadership to actually listen

:07:58. > :08:02.to people and respond to the concerns, and if you don't have a

:08:02. > :08:10.consensus across a broad spectrum of the community, even though Peter May

:08:11. > :08:15.says what he says, he has got to respect that many people disagree.

:08:15. > :08:22.We have got to take all of that into account. There is an absence of

:08:22. > :08:27.consensus. How do you respond to Nigel Dodds's charge that Sinn Fein

:08:27. > :08:34.has been indulging in, amongst other things, the glorification of

:08:34. > :08:41.terrorism and violence? I need to answer a lot of what he says. Let's

:08:41. > :08:50.deal with the issue he mentioned a lot of times there. When unionists

:08:50. > :08:57.talk about respect and the community, their community, we have

:08:57. > :09:07.had consensus. There was actually a group set up that was actually led

:09:07. > :09:10.by a member of the party, it was a part of a programme for government

:09:10. > :09:21.which means all the parties had agreed to it. But... Let me finish

:09:21. > :09:26.my point. The problem was that there was a consensus. He was part of it

:09:26. > :09:31.and the lack of leadership came when he withdrew from it. That is what

:09:31. > :09:38.has happened here. You asked earlier on, is it a lack of political

:09:38. > :09:46.leadership? Of course it is. But it could be a lack of leadership on the

:09:46. > :09:55.part of Sinn Fein. It could be what you said. Do you know what I said? I

:09:55. > :10:01.was there. Could you even give a summary of what I said. It is not

:10:01. > :10:03.about what I think you said. If you are going to talk about my speech,

:10:03. > :10:09.about what I think you said. If you do you even understand what it said.

:10:09. > :10:13.The point is, the perception in certain sections of the unity was

:10:13. > :10:22.that it was controversial. Nigel Dodds speaks about respect. All of

:10:22. > :10:26.these attacks are on the dead. That is way he does not have the respect.

:10:26. > :10:39.Unionists do not even begin to understand that people have suffered

:10:39. > :10:45.death deserve commemoration. It was a commemoration for two dead IRA

:10:45. > :10:50.murderers in a place where 29... Two dead people who have relatives and

:10:50. > :10:56.families who love them. I have stated a fact. And yet he does not

:10:56. > :11:00.like to hear the facts. The reality is that 29 people were killed and

:11:00. > :11:06.that parade passed away two of them were murdered by the IRA and he

:11:06. > :11:10.stood up, and this has been said by many moderate nationalist people,

:11:10. > :11:19.appalled at the fact that he goes there, from North Belfast, to

:11:19. > :11:24.glorify to murderers in 2013. There was no glorification involved. There

:11:24. > :11:25.is a difference between glorification and remembrance. There

:11:25. > :11:26.was a dignified remembrance of the glorification and remembrance. There

:11:27. > :11:32.two volunteers who died... But you glorification and remembrance. There

:11:32. > :11:39.are never going to persuade Nigel Dodds it was a dignified

:11:39. > :11:45.remembrance. This is the point. It is the point for Nigel Dodds. When

:11:45. > :11:50.you get people like Gregory shouting across at Raymond McCartney and

:11:50. > :11:59.calling him a field hunger striker without a word... The reality is,

:11:59. > :12:04.you are here tonight to make an equivalence between dead murderers

:12:04. > :12:07.who fought a terrorist campaign and those in the security forces and

:12:07. > :12:11.innocent people. You will not get away with it. You will not be able

:12:11. > :12:19.to equivocate that. We will come away with it. You will not be able

:12:20. > :12:26.back to this. That is a decision we may develop in a moment or two.

:12:26. > :12:32.Peter Sheridan, this is also about jobs. There is an investment of £300

:12:32. > :12:36.million potentially in jeopardy and 5000 jobs. Taking it out of the

:12:36. > :12:39.immediate political cut and thrust, that has a big impact on the

:12:39. > :12:45.Northern Ireland economy and on people who live here. Of course it

:12:45. > :12:53.has. The potential to lose jobs is real. It is a 300 acre site so I

:12:53. > :12:57.guess there is that possibility. Some of their worries I have on this

:12:57. > :13:01.is that I said at the very beginning we have ethnic political parties,

:13:01. > :13:05.people championed their own sites, and I think there is a vast majority

:13:05. > :13:08.of the population that want us to get to a stage where our politicians

:13:08. > :13:14.start to say what they are going to do for the other side. Not simply

:13:14. > :13:20.what we want for our own side. If we genuinely want a shared hooch and a

:13:20. > :13:27.shared society, and I believe they both want that, future, what is -- a

:13:27. > :13:33.shared future, what is Unionism both want that, future, what is -- a

:13:33. > :13:38.going to do that is going to protect the cultural identity?

:13:38. > :13:42.Stay with us. Do you have any degree of optimism after what you have

:13:42. > :13:55.heard that we are any closer to that The Yes. Let me tell you why. The

:13:55. > :14:00.Good Friday Agreement was a political deal about structures and

:14:00. > :14:01.processes. The next 25 years of this process is, how do you underpin the

:14:02. > :14:07.political deal by normalising process is, how do you underpin the

:14:07. > :14:13.relationships? Three years here people lived where their neighbour

:14:13. > :14:17.was their enemy. We now have to learn to live together. That is

:14:17. > :14:21.going to take time. I think it is easy to point the finger at

:14:21. > :14:25.politicians, but this is a difficult place to be. The fact there are

:14:25. > :14:28.three people from different backgrounds here tonight is progress

:14:28. > :14:34.and it will take time, but it will take support to politicians from the

:14:35. > :14:40.public. We will hear more from you later in

:14:40. > :14:45.the programme. Tonight, as they have done every other night, Orangemen

:14:45. > :14:55.and their supporters advert at Twaddell Avenue for the protest. It

:14:55. > :15:01.has resulted in what has been known as camp Twaddell. Orangemen told him

:15:01. > :15:19.they are prepared to stay there for as long as it takes.

:15:19. > :15:26.The seasons have changed, but in this corner of North Belfast, not

:15:26. > :15:36.much else has. Every night is the 12th of July. At Twaddell Avenue

:15:36. > :15:41.they refused to move on. The symbols of defiance fly proudly at the

:15:41. > :15:47.self-proclaimed live writes camp. In a humble Portakabin sits the banner

:15:47. > :15:50.of the true blues to one of three North Belfast Orange lodges the

:15:50. > :15:55.commissioner said could not parade home by their chosen route on the

:15:56. > :16:01.evening of the 12. It is not a question of the route.

:16:01. > :16:08.This has been put across many times. It is not a question of the route,

:16:08. > :16:13.there are no other roads that we can go along. It is all right saying we

:16:13. > :16:20.can go a different way, but they're only is one-way. How long are you

:16:20. > :16:27.prepared to stay here? As long as it takes. I am prepared to stand here

:16:27. > :16:36.as long as it takes in a non-violent way. If I have to stand to 24/7, I

:16:36. > :16:41.will. Why should we let them take our culture of us? The Catholics get

:16:41. > :16:48.all they want. That is true, all right. As far as I can see. I know

:16:48. > :16:55.it is true. But there is another view, the one

:16:55. > :17:00.from across the street. What we should have now in the

:17:00. > :17:06.autumn is a parade of relative calm. This is the time that the Orange

:17:07. > :17:10.Order need to settle down. I'm not going to get into negotiations in

:17:10. > :17:15.public, I think that is a thing for the Orange Order and local residents

:17:15. > :17:21.to sit down to do in an honest and open way. They may think there is no

:17:21. > :17:27.point in sitting down because you will never agree to a parade. I

:17:27. > :17:33.think everything is up for discussion. Let's sit down and put

:17:33. > :17:36.things on the table. Darkness falls in the police cordon

:17:36. > :17:42.at the top of the road is manoeuvred into place. Soon it is barring the

:17:42. > :17:52.way as the banner is brought from the camp to head the nightly parade.

:17:52. > :17:55.But this time, instead of confrontation, the parade wields

:17:55. > :18:01.But this time, instead of into a side street to emerge again

:18:01. > :18:08.moments later. We also catch sight of two youths wearing mass. We never

:18:08. > :18:12.discover why, the Pope -- protest remains peaceful throughout.

:18:12. > :18:15.discover why, the Pope -- protest Nearly three months on, this is the

:18:15. > :18:19.nightly reality in Twaddell Avenue Nearly three months on, this is the

:18:19. > :18:24.and there is no time -- sign of it ending any time soon. As the banner

:18:24. > :18:29.moves forward, the band follows with its identity hidden. Last week the

:18:29. > :18:49.commission found the playing of music along this stretch of road.

:18:49. > :18:56.The police warnings are ignored and on the other side the traffic moves,

:18:56. > :19:03.but few people have come out to watch the nightly ritual. Myself and

:19:03. > :19:07.many locals have volunteered every night to walk the streets on this

:19:08. > :19:11.site to keep young people away from reacting to what has been happening

:19:11. > :19:21.on the other side. It has been a very strange experience. Almost like

:19:21. > :19:24.a return to the old days? In a sense, history repeating itself and

:19:24. > :19:31.the sheer waste of time and energy for everybody involved is costing

:19:31. > :19:35.£29 50 per minute. One day we could have had Gareth bail playing for the

:19:35. > :19:40.local football team because it is very hundreds as pounds per week.

:19:40. > :19:47.You can smile at that, but when you think of what that could be in terms

:19:47. > :19:52.of 100 police being recruited, more nurses, more doctors, more teachers,

:19:52. > :19:55.just as she awaits itself is something that is having a

:19:55. > :20:03.detrimental effect on the whole of society not just Ardoyne.

:20:03. > :20:10.In camp Twaddell the talk is of possibly stepping up the protest.

:20:10. > :20:17.At every stage it has been other people that have escalated and upped

:20:17. > :20:26.the ante, not us. The time may come when it is up to the people in this

:20:26. > :20:32.area who support us to up the ante and extend what is happening. How

:20:32. > :20:38.would you do that? That is to be decided. That is not the official

:20:38. > :20:46.line. But it appears the supporters are dug in for a long hard winter.

:20:46. > :20:53.Nigel Dodds, should these nightly protests continue? The right of

:20:53. > :20:56.peaceful protest, it is important they remain peaceful and

:20:57. > :20:59.non-violent. People want to express their opposition to the parades

:20:59. > :21:05.commission and what they have done in rewarding violence because the

:21:05. > :21:09.Orange Order acted entirely peacefully for years and years.

:21:09. > :21:13.There has been discussion and dialogue and what happened was,

:21:13. > :21:18.severe republican violence, the police commission rewarded that by

:21:18. > :21:21.banning the Orange Order and people have reacted angrily. And that is

:21:21. > :21:27.banning the Orange Order and people worth the cost? I want the

:21:27. > :21:33.commission that in taking such decisions they were not just in

:21:33. > :21:37.pairing a cost, but a cost to the police. Nobody wants to see this.

:21:37. > :21:44.The responsibility lies with those who want to reward Ireland's

:21:44. > :21:48.unpunished good behaviour. No response -- no responsibility on the

:21:48. > :21:54.people taking part? None of those pictures gave you any concern? I

:21:54. > :22:02.have been there and I do not want to see people running around in

:22:02. > :22:08.balaclavas. We saw two people. You can't be responsible for everybody.

:22:08. > :22:11.I know for a fact, let me finish, we have had a peaceful protest that has

:22:11. > :22:17.I know for a fact, let me finish, we been going on for a 85 days. The

:22:17. > :22:21.vast majority of people are there openly displaying who they are, what

:22:21. > :22:26.they stand for, it has been non-violent and not threatening. It

:22:26. > :22:32.is continue that way and have common sense in terms of moving this

:22:32. > :22:34.forward. The recent initiative had a knee jerk negative reaction, that

:22:34. > :22:43.should have been responded to positively. Let's get into dialogue.

:22:43. > :22:48.Common, Gerry Kelly? It was a precondition which says that we will

:22:48. > :22:53.talk to you as long as we get our way first. The decision has already

:22:53. > :22:59.been made about the 2013 parade. Let's talk about the 2014 parade.

:22:59. > :23:06.There are people disguising and breaking the law and not only

:23:06. > :23:11.playing music, but masking up. Nigel says that there is no intimidation,

:23:11. > :23:17.I know that there is practically nobody who will go down to Tesco's

:23:17. > :23:23.where they normally shop. Why not then say, Saturday morning go ahead.

:23:23. > :23:30.What is the problem with that? Read this -- read the statement, they

:23:30. > :23:35.want to parade the parades commission. They should be no

:23:35. > :23:39.surprise to you or the visit -- viewers talking about the parades

:23:39. > :23:42.commission. They were against it from the beginning. Let me put it

:23:42. > :23:47.commission. They were against it this way, the dispute is 150 yards

:23:48. > :23:54.down the road, so you have to as a question, why do they bring it up to

:23:54. > :24:00.an interface, a well-known interface, to raise tension when

:24:00. > :24:05.that is not the issue? Why go there if you don't want trouble? A quick

:24:05. > :24:11.that is not the issue? Why go there response, Nigel Dodd. It is a

:24:11. > :24:15.Unionist area where people have come out for many years to support the

:24:15. > :24:17.Orange banner. It used to be a shared space and that is where they

:24:18. > :24:24.Orange banner. It used to be a gather and give support. That is a

:24:24. > :24:28.natural point. You don't think that either of you owe it to yourselves

:24:28. > :24:33.and to people watching this programme to try to come up with

:24:33. > :24:40.some sort of sensible solution to save Northern Ireland £300,000 per

:24:40. > :24:43.week? I know discussions have not got far, but when they don't reach

:24:43. > :24:52.agreement, somebody has to make a decision. There was dialogue before

:24:52. > :24:56.the 12th of July. There was a statement made from all of those

:24:56. > :25:03.involved, including the Orangemen, that they would return no matter

:25:03. > :25:09.what the commission decision was. You told is five minutes ago you

:25:09. > :25:16.were optimistic the. Are you still? There is a big section of the

:25:16. > :25:19.population, we can't dismiss the concerns of the people in Ardoyne as

:25:19. > :25:23.residents or people who want to finish the parade, but there is a

:25:24. > :25:28.big part of Northern Ireland, we heard of 1000 jobs being announced

:25:28. > :25:37.today and sometimes we overemphasise one part of a problem. We focus on

:25:37. > :25:40.symbolism that is, perhaps, is important at a superficial level.

:25:40. > :25:47.What is more important is our values. Thank you to the three of

:25:47. > :25:51.you for joining us. Let's get some analysis of what we

:25:51. > :25:57.have heard from our resident professors, Deirdre Heenan and Rick

:25:57. > :26:02.Wilford. Let's talk about Maze/Long Kesh first of all. Deirdre, we close

:26:02. > :26:08.to a resolution? As the pause button been pressed all the stop button? I

:26:08. > :26:11.don't think there is much to give as optimism, but we shouldn't be

:26:11. > :26:15.surprised that the issue of conflict resolution centre is going to be

:26:15. > :26:22.contentious. It was always going to be. One of the issues is around the

:26:22. > :26:27.fact that how it happened, the DUP U-turn is indicative of the mistrust

:26:27. > :26:29.that is now they're between Sinn Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong

:26:29. > :26:31.to dismiss a genuine concerns of Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong

:26:31. > :26:37.victims groups. Those are genuine Fein and the DUP. It would be wrong

:26:37. > :26:42.concerns and I think as Peter said, what we need is a compelling vision

:26:42. > :26:46.for this peace Centre that will lift it above Northern Ireland politics

:26:46. > :26:49.and move it into a much more international context about the

:26:49. > :26:57.future and how we can frame a future for Northern Ireland and other

:26:57. > :26:58.countries can learn from us. Rick? I suppose it was so dispiriting that

:26:58. > :27:02.it makes a case for the piece suppose it was so dispiriting that

:27:02. > :27:09.centre. We need a venue where issues like this, history is not one set of

:27:09. > :27:13.views, it is a set of competing narratives running parallel, they

:27:13. > :27:19.merge, they collide. We need something like the piece centre. I

:27:19. > :27:23.thought the words in the assembly this week were spoken more in

:27:23. > :27:26.sadness than in anger. I have to say, and I am not from here, but it

:27:26. > :27:29.does seem to me that building on the say, and I am not from here, but it

:27:29. > :27:34.past both literally and say, and I am not from here, but it

:27:34. > :27:38.metaphorically at Maze/Long Kesh has a lot to commend it. We heard

:27:39. > :27:46.tonight the police say they will re-examine the transcripts of Gerry

:27:46. > :27:50.Adams and his brothers sex abuse trial and it has emerged that Gerry

:27:50. > :27:54.Adams learned about the abuse my news before he informed the police.

:27:55. > :28:01.How much damage has a potentially done to his leadership of Sinn Fein?

:28:01. > :28:04.I think it cast a shadow over his morality, but not political

:28:04. > :28:09.leadership. In a week or so this will be largely forgotten about. I

:28:09. > :28:13.think the real person who has suffered here is the individual

:28:13. > :28:17.herself, a very private issue was bought public stage and her washing

:28:17. > :28:21.has been put out in public and she is a person who will have to go away

:28:21. > :28:27.and live with this and make a life for herself. This is the person I

:28:27. > :28:33.feel sorry for. A lot of people have expressed that sentiment.

:28:33. > :28:36.Absolutely. I could not agree more with Deirdre. She is a person in the

:28:36. > :28:41.centre of this set of events, but the fact that he is and I will

:28:41. > :28:45.reopen the file and have another look suggests that this issue will

:28:45. > :28:53.not go away. It could come back to haunt him. Will it damage, is that

:28:53. > :28:57.possible? Electorally, I suspect not. Carriages are being pulled

:28:57. > :29:01.around to make this a personal matter and I think there is a

:29:01. > :29:03.political dimensional to this and it could damage him, but I don't think

:29:03. > :29:10.it will lead to his demise from public life. There were commentators

:29:10. > :29:16.saying if it was any other political leader, it could be the end of the

:29:16. > :29:19.road. Some of the papers describing him as a great Teflon man who can

:29:19. > :29:24.walk away from issues like this, and I believe he will walk away

:29:24. > :29:29.relatively unscathed. We will look at one tweet. Just before we go,

:29:30. > :29:47.Neil Dougan tweeted: at least we can still laugh at

:29:47. > :29:53.ourselves. The sense of humour in Northern Ireland is alive and well.

:29:53. > :29:57.I think Peter made a very good points in focusing on the bigger

:29:57. > :30:02.picture and the jobs announcement today and the prosperity that could

:30:02. > :30:06.come if we get our act together. We will leave it there. Let's pause

:30:06. > :30:18.before we go for an alternative view from the Hill.

:30:18. > :30:27.Storm on security here. Rushed off my feet as usual. Today is a little

:30:27. > :30:31.bit wet. Do you like the huts? This is where the Tory party conference

:30:31. > :30:37.held their Northern Ireland debate. I'm only joking, it was a lot

:30:37. > :30:43.smaller than this. Well done Northern Ireland, we won

:30:43. > :30:46.something! Not football, don't be stupid, Northern Ireland is the

:30:47. > :30:51.counterfeit capital of the UK. When it comes to dodgy fakes, we are

:30:51. > :30:54.tops. Meanwhile Republicans are being pig-headed in role in the

:30:54. > :30:58.tops. Meanwhile Republicans are entire country. Not our Republicans,

:30:58. > :31:03.American Republicans. Our Republicans are more interested in

:31:03. > :31:08.why the Giro d'Italia is not go past Republicans are more interested in

:31:08. > :31:13.my house. Anyway, anyone who can't wait for the experience, get

:31:13. > :31:16.yourself an exercise bike, sit on it for 82 days going nowhere and you

:31:16. > :31:25.will know what it feels like I'm Twaddell Avenue.

:31:25. > :31:31.That is it from The View this week. Inside politics is on radio Ulster

:31:31. > :31:35.tomorrow at 6pm. Join me for Sunday Politics at 11:45am on Sunday. Thank

:31:35. > :31:38.you for watching. Goodbye.