:00:21. > :00:24.Coming up on the programme: I will not be silenced, the words
:00:24. > :00:28.of the First Minister tonight as the row over perceptions of
:00:28. > :00:33.political policing escalates. While the SDLP demands an apology, the
:00:33. > :00:43.DUP remains defiant. We'll hear from both sides with
:00:43. > :00:51.Paul Givan and Conall McDevitt. Also on the programme: I wonder if
:00:51. > :00:58.those men consulted with the women in that their practice. Really what
:00:58. > :01:03.we need to do is to ensure that women's lives are protected. As the
:01:03. > :01:10.Assembly prepares to debate the abortion amendment will Shim paint
:01:10. > :01:13.-- and will show off same block the proposals? -- Sinn Fein.
:01:13. > :01:16.And as they get ready for an overnight count in the Mid-Ulster
:01:16. > :01:18.by-election we'll be live from the count centre with all the latest.
:01:18. > :01:21.And The View welcomes a new addition to Commentators' Corner.
:01:21. > :01:24.Alex Kane joins Paul McFadden in our very own conclave to review the
:01:24. > :01:25.political week. And you can, of course, follow the
:01:25. > :01:28.programme on Twitter - that's @BBCtheview.
:01:28. > :01:33.A row that's been festering all week has taken another twist
:01:33. > :01:36.tonight. It began with that press conference from the First Minister
:01:36. > :01:38.after meeting the Chief Constable on Monday. Peter Robinson said the
:01:38. > :01:42.police must address a perception they're treating loyalists
:01:42. > :01:44.differently from republicans. That prompted a written statement from
:01:44. > :01:48.the Chief Constable insisting police do take all decisions
:01:48. > :01:53.impartially. Enter the SDLP which raised its concern that the First
:01:53. > :01:55.Minister may have breached the Ministerial Code. Now tonight, a
:01:55. > :02:00.strongly worded statement from the First Minister insisting he will
:02:00. > :02:03.not be silenced! With me in the studio to try to make sense of it
:02:03. > :02:12.all, the DUP's Justice Spokesman, Paul Givan, and the SDLP's Policing
:02:12. > :02:14.Spokesman, Conall McDevitt. Thank you very much for joining us on the
:02:14. > :02:17.programme tonight. Paul Givan, why has the First
:02:17. > :02:21.Minister chosen to issue such a strongly-worded statement tonight?
:02:21. > :02:25.I think it is in response to the hysteria that surrounded his
:02:25. > :02:30.initial comments after he met the chief constable, most of which has
:02:30. > :02:35.been inaccurate reporting of what he did say. He is set in the
:02:35. > :02:38.records state -- straight. In his statement he welcomes that the Lord
:02:38. > :02:41.Chief Justice and the Chief Constable have come out publicly to
:02:41. > :02:46.give some explanation as to the rationale behind the decisions that
:02:46. > :02:50.they take. That is a welcome development and it helps to explain
:02:50. > :02:55.to those, particularly in the loyalist community, who think they
:02:55. > :02:59.are being treated unfairly. They see republican protests being tree
:02:59. > :03:04.-- policed by a helicopter with no police officer on the ground but
:03:04. > :03:06.loyalist protests had more police officers that the protesters.
:03:06. > :03:08.Your party colleague, Jonathan Craig, said tonight he believes
:03:08. > :03:12.there is even-handed policing, but the perception in the loyalist
:03:12. > :03:17.community is that there isn't. Do you agree with Mr Craig that it's a
:03:17. > :03:22.matter of perception rather than fact? Well, I agree with Peter
:03:22. > :03:25.Robinson and Jonathan Craig will have both said this is about
:03:25. > :03:28.addressing the perception that exists within the loyalist
:03:28. > :03:32.community. That needs to be explained. It is not good enough
:03:32. > :03:37.for the Lord Chief Justice to explain it to politicians, they
:03:37. > :03:40.need to be explaining this issue publicly so people can be satisfied
:03:40. > :03:45.that decisions are being taken properly and correctly.
:03:45. > :03:48.Isn't it the job of unionist politicians to put them straight?
:03:48. > :03:54.To tell grassroots loyalists that their perception is, in fact, a
:03:54. > :03:58.misperception? We have been empowered by the statements that
:03:58. > :04:02.have been released to be able to do that. We give them a political way
:04:02. > :04:07.forward that has reduced the tensions, that has taken people off
:04:07. > :04:11.the streets, because we now have a forum that is a vehicle took have
:04:11. > :04:17.all of this dealt with. Ultimately we do not what people on the
:04:17. > :04:20.streets. We want people to be airing their views the political
:04:20. > :04:29.channels. Does that say we should be silent encourage people to take
:04:29. > :04:32.to the streets. Let me just discuss some figures with you very briefly.
:04:32. > :04:34.We now know that in the past three years, three loyalists have been
:04:34. > :04:38.convicted for participating in illegal parades. 147 republicans
:04:38. > :04:48.have been convicted for the same offence over the same period. Three
:04:48. > :04:51.loyalists to 147 republicans. But you say there is a perception that
:04:51. > :04:56.you are being discriminated against? That information will help
:04:56. > :05:01.to alleviate those concerns. There was a Dalek -- there was a
:05:01. > :05:04.ridiculous decision to remove the flag from the city caller that
:05:04. > :05:10.caused street protests to take place and there are one or -- there
:05:10. > :05:13.are hundreds more people due to go through the courts because of those
:05:13. > :05:15.protests. -- City Hall. Conall McDevitt, Peter Robinson
:05:16. > :05:18.says in his statement any suggestion that the First Minister
:05:18. > :05:21.should ignore rather than address such perceptions says more about
:05:22. > :05:25.you than it does about him. He's elected by the people to work on
:05:25. > :05:30.behalf of the people and he says he won't be silenced. Well, the First
:05:30. > :05:34.Minister should know better than to allow himself to become embroiled
:05:34. > :05:38.in a propaganda war being fuelled by anti-agreement elements within
:05:38. > :05:42.the loyalist community who are seeking to destabilise the
:05:42. > :05:47.political process. He should also know better than to try and usurp
:05:47. > :05:50.the position of the Policing Board, the sole accountability for
:05:50. > :05:54.policing in Northern Ireland. He should also know better than two,
:05:54. > :06:00.by his actions, give the perception that he is undermining the
:06:00. > :06:03.operational independence of the Chief Constable and of the
:06:03. > :06:07.judiciary. Is enough to Lab to comment on an issue that is a very
:06:07. > :06:11.big issue for everyone in Northern Ireland? He can comment of course
:06:11. > :06:14.of what he has done his go beyond comment. His public statements
:06:15. > :06:19.after the meeting with the chief constable and tonight make
:06:19. > :06:22.suggestions and in fact allegations. Tonight's statement makes an
:06:22. > :06:25.allegation that one of the reasons there is a huge problem of
:06:25. > :06:30.confidence within the loyalist community is because of the
:06:30. > :06:33.activities of the historic inquiry team. He says in his statement that
:06:33. > :06:38.the historic inquiry team are biased and they are only interested
:06:38. > :06:42.in pursuing loyalists. Again, like his original allegation around a
:06:43. > :06:47.noted by parades, the figures do not stack up either. Let me take a
:06:47. > :06:54.second to do the figures. We will do that quickly. If you take
:06:54. > :07:03.operation Stafford which is to do with the UVF, if you take that out
:07:04. > :07:13.and look at the troubles related historical inquiries work 26 of the
:07:13. > :07:17.39 cases relate to what I've I n a or IRA murders. Where is the
:07:17. > :07:22.suggestion that they are not pursuing republican murders?
:07:22. > :07:26.very handily from your perspective leave out operations staff at which
:07:26. > :07:31.for loyalists is a significant they met they do not want to leave out.
:07:31. > :07:34.I will tell you who is bothered with operations Stafford. UVF.
:07:34. > :07:38.Loyalists are bothered. They have very good reason to be bothered by
:07:38. > :07:43.it because the vast majority of the work of the operation relates to
:07:43. > :07:47.crimes that happened after the ceasefire. Let us not get bogged
:07:47. > :07:51.down in the details about that operation. How do you respond to
:07:51. > :07:56.those figures that they are anything but biased against
:07:56. > :08:06.loyalists? Well, you make the point yourself that he has had to
:08:06. > :08:08.
:08:08. > :08:13.manipulate the figures himself to make the argument stand up. The
:08:13. > :08:17.very same Conall McDevitt, who this time last year, that said as a
:08:17. > :08:22.result of the retiring of offices in the police confidence within the
:08:22. > :08:25.nationalist community of Policing has suffered as a result and now he
:08:25. > :08:29.suffers -- and now he criticises Peter Robinson was saying there is
:08:29. > :08:34.a perceived problem. There is a big difference between me and Jonathan
:08:34. > :08:37.Craig and others, we are members of the Policing Board. The Policing
:08:38. > :08:42.Board are the police and they are the people who are task under the
:08:42. > :08:46.Good Friday Agreement, and I pricked -- and I appreciate that
:08:46. > :08:49.Paul does not agree with the agreement.
:08:49. > :08:55.But, Conall McDevitt, a breach of the Ministerial Code? Really? That
:08:55. > :08:59.just ratchets everything up another level? The much -- of the vast
:08:59. > :09:03.majority of us wants pizza majority -- Peter Robinson to be first
:09:03. > :09:07.majority -- that Peter Robinson to be First Minister for the majority
:09:07. > :09:14.of people in Northern Ireland. We are let down as citizens and MLAs
:09:14. > :09:20.whenever he reduces his politics to the vested interests of a tiny
:09:20. > :09:23.minority of loyalists. The SDLP say that nationalist confidence was
:09:23. > :09:27.damaged. Then there engage in a campaign to have Marian Price
:09:27. > :09:33.release from prison. They are happy to get involved in interfering in
:09:33. > :09:38.due process on those issues. They supported the motion calling for
:09:38. > :09:45.other people to be released from prison early and they have actively
:09:45. > :09:49.campaigns and sought to influence. How do you respond to that? Sinn
:09:49. > :09:56.Fein has logged on the Padraic Wilson case and also the Marianne -
:09:56. > :09:59.- Marianne Price case. The SDLP does not hold the position of First
:09:59. > :10:02.Minister. When you are First Minister you hold the highest
:10:02. > :10:07.political office in Northern Ireland and you have a duty to rise
:10:07. > :10:11.above tribal politics. You are meant to represent everyone. Peter
:10:11. > :10:14.Robinson has spent the last week reducing his office to being a
:10:14. > :10:19.pseudo spokesperson for a bunch of anti-agreement loyalists. There is
:10:19. > :10:24.no getting away from that. He has not substantiate his single fact.
:10:24. > :10:29.His figures have been blown out of the water. What I would like,
:10:29. > :10:31.honestly, is for the First Minister to get back to his desk, to get
:10:31. > :10:34.back to put in the interests of Northern Ireland First and to
:10:34. > :10:39.understand that we all make mistakes and estate said that.
:10:39. > :10:45.me pick up on that point with you Paul McGivern. Is there hypocrisy
:10:45. > :10:49.all around here? When Sinn Fein members protested outside police
:10:49. > :10:54.headquarters about the rest and charging of a party member, a DUP
:10:54. > :10:58.and there -- a DUP MLA said Gerry Kelly must accept due process must
:10:58. > :11:04.take its course and should not be interfered with a politically. That
:11:04. > :11:10.is what he said about Sinn Fein, but it is OK for Peter Robinson to
:11:10. > :11:14.jump on the bit when it suits him. Peter Robinson has not interfered
:11:14. > :11:18.with any process. He has not asked the Chief Justice to do something
:11:18. > :11:22.against what they wish to do but he has said that they need to explain
:11:22. > :11:26.the decisions that they take so people understand why there is a
:11:26. > :11:31.differential in treatment. It is not really any different to what
:11:32. > :11:35.the SDLP did. You have loyalist to have had bail opposed and senior
:11:35. > :11:39.Republicans to his bail was not supposed. What is interesting is
:11:39. > :11:42.that, there that has jumped up and down to criticise Peter Robinson
:11:42. > :11:46.but the Deputy First Minister who was there to absent all of us went
:11:46. > :11:51.to the Parole commissioners on behalf of Marian Price and yet not
:11:51. > :11:55.one word of criticism from the SDLP. Conall McDevitt, your contribution
:11:55. > :12:00.has helped to make Policing a political football. My contribution
:12:00. > :12:10.is about trying to defend what the people voted for on Good Friday
:12:10. > :12:22.
:12:22. > :12:32.1998 and that was an operationally need to leave it there. Thank you
:12:32. > :12:39.
:12:39. > :12:49.The vote is coming up for abortion but what does it mean for our
:12:49. > :12:54.politicians? Welcomed by some and ridiculed by others. The first
:12:54. > :12:58.private family clinic in Belfast opened up last September. It is
:12:58. > :13:02.operating within the law which permits abortion in exceptional
:13:02. > :13:10.circumstances where life is endangered. People objecting could
:13:10. > :13:15.do little more than protest, until now. These MLAs, backed by an
:13:15. > :13:18.Ulster Unionist colleague came up with a plan. They want to amend the
:13:18. > :13:25.Bill so abortions when permitted could only be carried out by the
:13:25. > :13:31.NHS. They argued a me the NHS provided robust regulation. What we
:13:31. > :13:38.are doing his opening up a debate and insuring that it is done within
:13:38. > :13:44.the regulation and proper legislation. But this MLA cannot
:13:44. > :13:50.rely on his party's support. The DUP are backing their amendment and
:13:50. > :13:54.the SDLP has not said what it is doing. Others remain opposed.
:13:54. > :13:59.was in a situation where I thought I needed this sort of treatment and
:13:59. > :14:05.perhaps I had private healthcare and was undergoing that for my
:14:05. > :14:09.pregnancy, for whatever reason, I ended up in that situation, this
:14:09. > :14:15.amendment would mean that I would then have to step outside where I
:14:15. > :14:20.was already having treatment and go to the NHS. It does not make sense.
:14:20. > :14:24.Sinn Fein has made clear it is opposed. It said it would restrict
:14:24. > :14:28.a woman's ability to retain an abortion in threatening
:14:28. > :14:32.circumstances and it requires public consultation. But four days
:14:32. > :14:38.they have refused to say if they would block this amendment, using
:14:38. > :14:46.what is known as a petition of concern. That requires three cities
:14:46. > :14:53.and it needs Sinn Fein -- that requires a three written complaints
:14:53. > :14:59.and it requires a Sinn Fein support. By really what we need to do is
:14:59. > :15:04.make sure that the life of the woman is protected. It is a bad law
:15:04. > :15:08.and not a good way to be doing law, tagging it onto the end of a
:15:08. > :15:13.Criminal Justice Bill. This is a health matter. Sinn Fein will
:15:13. > :15:19.oppose it and we are discussing how to do that. There has been pressure
:15:19. > :15:24.for them to think again. It is well-known to Mickey Hart and he
:15:24. > :15:27.has urged everybody to reconsider. A statement in support has been
:15:27. > :15:32.issued by the Catholic Church. Campaigners have targeted
:15:32. > :15:37.constituencies in recent days. will inform people regarding the
:15:37. > :15:42.Sinn Fein position and also the plan to perhaps block that motion.
:15:42. > :15:48.I think it would be suicide if they blocked that. It is important that
:15:48. > :15:53.they realise and uphold the views of the people. Another campaigner
:15:53. > :15:59.said she supports Sinn Fein in west Belfast as a stark message -- and
:15:59. > :16:05.has a stark message. We do not support Sinn Fein on this and they
:16:05. > :16:07.are not listening to ordinary people. The Sinn Fein candidate in
:16:07. > :16:13.the mid- Ulster by-election insisted the party was in
:16:13. > :16:22.opposition to abortion and the party said it was motivated by a
:16:22. > :16:25.desire to deliver the goods more -- could law. -- proper legislation.
:16:25. > :16:30.These people said that they were disappointed that Martin McGuinness
:16:30. > :16:35.has not responded to their letters since last December. They wanted
:16:35. > :16:40.him to personally accept their 3,000 strong petition. It was a
:16:40. > :16:44.poor show we did not get a reply on behalf of these students. They are
:16:44. > :16:49.the future. At the Deputy First Minister has office has found no
:16:49. > :16:57.record of the request. There were different attitudes towards
:16:57. > :17:03.abortion here. It is totally and utterly wrong. In certain
:17:03. > :17:08.situations it can be the only option. I think Marie Stopes should
:17:08. > :17:12.be allowed to carry out abortions under the law. Sinn Fein might be
:17:12. > :17:16.increasingly taking this into account as it manages
:17:16. > :17:20.constituencies north and south of the border. At it is reported that
:17:20. > :17:29.Dessie Ellis thinks that the party is not going far enough to allow a
:17:29. > :17:37.woman to choose. We have tried to keep both ends of the argument Oban.
:17:37. > :17:40.It was -- Open. They ended up saying it was up to the woman to
:17:40. > :17:45.make her own choice instead of trying to sound compassionate at
:17:45. > :17:50.the same time. But for the woman to make her choice we must have a
:17:50. > :17:57.choice available. Sinn Fein said its policy is the same on both
:17:57. > :18:00.sides of the border. Sinn Fein is opposed to abortion but supports a
:18:00. > :18:09.termination in the case of rapehomosexual abuse or if a
:18:09. > :18:16.woman's life is in danger. -- ratehomosexual abuse or if a
:18:16. > :18:25.woman's life is in danger. -- rate, abuse or if a woman potholes life
:18:25. > :18:33.is in danger if -- -- rape, abuse or if a woman's life is in danger.
:18:33. > :18:37.What are your thoughts about this? It was an extent of the 1967 Act.
:18:37. > :18:43.We are looking at the amendment to be just as Bill and we are
:18:43. > :18:48.considering it very carefully and as the package suggests it is very
:18:48. > :18:55.delicate, serious and sensitive. And we had to conclude on a Monday
:18:55. > :19:00.after taking advice and we will decide what we are doing. You are
:19:01. > :19:07.not looking at the possibility that even though you are pro life, you
:19:07. > :19:12.might be opposed to this amendment? I think it is likely that it would
:19:12. > :19:19.corporately oppose the amendment, given that we are a crew live party.
:19:19. > :19:27.But I cannot say exactly what we will be asked to do. What would you
:19:27. > :19:33.do? I would not like to prejudice the debate that must take place. I
:19:33. > :19:38.think we over this issue respect. Do you expect this to go through?
:19:38. > :19:43.would anticipate a majority will support this amendment. It is
:19:43. > :19:51.reasonable. If you support life, and supports choice, you support
:19:51. > :19:57.regulation. All women in a crisis pregnancy, to get this treatment...
:19:57. > :20:03.And what about if concerns are raised in a petition? It would be
:20:03. > :20:08.the greatest abuse ever of the petition of concern. The Church has
:20:08. > :20:12.endorsed this approach and to put down a petition of concern would be
:20:12. > :20:18.failing to listen to the community views being expressed. It would
:20:18. > :20:22.abuse the spirit of what it was meant to be about. We will stop
:20:22. > :20:27.there for now and we will watch developments with interest. Thank
:20:27. > :20:32.you very much indeed. At next, a subject which has had people
:20:32. > :20:37.spinning for the past few weeks, the Mid Ulster by-election. We will
:20:37. > :20:44.hear from Paul McFadden and Alex came shortly on the subject. Thank
:20:44. > :20:49.you for joining us. First, Gareth Gordon is at the election count at
:20:49. > :20:53.Cookstown Leisure Centre. What is the mood there tonight as the
:20:53. > :21:00.candidates are arriving and the boxes are presumably starting to be
:21:00. > :21:06.opened? The boxes were a little bit late. We were told that they would
:21:06. > :21:10.be here at 10:15pm and they were definitely not here at 10:30pm.
:21:10. > :21:16.Counting is probably just about to begin. All of the candidates are
:21:16. > :21:26.here. The last of them arrived 10 minutes ago, frost -- 10 minutes
:21:26. > :21:30.ago. It is Francie Molloy's to lose, I suppose but he does not think
:21:30. > :21:36.that he will. There was a big majority by Martin McGuinness at
:21:36. > :21:42.the last election but we will not have a 15,000 majority tonight and
:21:42. > :21:52.that is pretty clear. It has possibly been below a 50 % turnout
:21:52. > :21:53.
:21:53. > :22:03.and if we compare that to last time, it was 63 % and 63 % in 2011. -- it
:22:03. > :22:05.
:22:05. > :22:09.was 65 % and 63 % in the 2011. It will not be a 15,000 majority
:22:09. > :22:14.because the DUP, the Unionists and the SDLP all fielded candidates
:22:14. > :22:19.last time and they have got an agreed Unionist candidate,
:22:19. > :22:25.controversially of course, Nigel Lutton. They got about 32 % and
:22:25. > :22:30.they will be looking to up that. Certainly not less than 32 %.
:22:30. > :22:36.Otherwise it will be considered an experiment which has not worked.
:22:36. > :22:40.The other candidates, Patsy McGlone, very well known and the Eric
:22:40. > :22:48.Bullick from the Alliance Party. He has been associated with the
:22:48. > :22:53.Alliance Party... I have got Paul McFadden and Alex with me now and I
:22:53. > :22:57.think Alex wants to ask you a question. It was interesting that
:22:57. > :23:04.he said it was a lower poll than expected. Are you getting any sense
:23:04. > :23:12.of what figure we are looking at? How will they measure success?
:23:12. > :23:16.think they would not want it to fall below 30%. If they are right
:23:16. > :23:23.in saying that Unionists are calling for unity, they have got
:23:23. > :23:29.this opportunity. They know that, when I was speaking to them earlier,
:23:29. > :23:34.they said that they knew that they would not win, but they said that
:23:34. > :23:39.the three parties have worked together on the ground. After this,
:23:39. > :23:47.we will have a post mortem as we have always got after elections and
:23:47. > :23:52.they will ask if it has been worth it. The Unionist Party said that
:23:52. > :24:00.they would have felt liberated to have lost but it is a high price
:24:00. > :24:08.today. We are expecting a result at perhaps 1:30am. I hope you have got
:24:08. > :24:13.plenty of coffee to keep going! Thank you, Gareth. More from Alex
:24:13. > :24:18.and Paul. We will touch a bit more on but debate that we have focused
:24:18. > :24:21.on tonight. Where are we after the intervention tonight of the First
:24:21. > :24:28.Minister Peter Robinson with that statement and the debate we have
:24:28. > :24:33.had in the studio? In Londonderry I have spoken to a number of people
:24:33. > :24:37.that would have said that there is a problem with partisan policing.
:24:37. > :24:41.Nationalists and republicans have said that they are victims of
:24:42. > :24:47.partisan policing. It is an indication of the difficulty of the
:24:47. > :24:54.task that officers have got. Figures out to buy it would seem to
:24:54. > :25:01.certainly suggest that he is not wrong in his perception that he
:25:01. > :25:06.describes. I think we need to come out may be more strongly about that
:25:06. > :25:11.issue and if there is a perception on the ground of partisan policing,
:25:11. > :25:18.we direct that perception. depends on how you look at that
:25:18. > :25:23.perception. You have it is as your story of the week. The row between
:25:23. > :25:30.the SDLP and the First Minister. And that sparks the matter with the
:25:30. > :25:37.Chief Constable. It is part of an ongoing story. It is like a Gothic
:25:37. > :25:41.Victorian novel. Peter Robinson seemed to be reaching out and all
:25:41. > :25:46.of a sudden we have had pressed by journalists as a born again
:25:46. > :25:52.moderate and certainly he is talking to Unionists and other
:25:52. > :25:57.candidates and he is getting very catchy about anything. The
:25:57. > :26:04.perception certainly in some Unionist circles and nationalist
:26:04. > :26:09.circles is that the DUP and the UUP were both quite ambivalent. How has
:26:09. > :26:14.Peter Robinson turned in that direction? How has he changed, if
:26:14. > :26:19.indeed he house as you have suggested? I think it might simply
:26:19. > :26:26.be, I was at the conference for the first time ever and he talked about
:26:26. > :26:30.reaching out and not writing out the Catholic Unionists. I think he
:26:30. > :26:38.sensed that in his party there is much enthusiasm and he is moving to
:26:38. > :26:41.the right. We can talk about your tweet of the week. This is from the
:26:41. > :26:51.tweet of the week. This is from the actor and comedian David Schneider.
:26:51. > :26:52.
:26:52. > :26:57.actor and comedian David Schneider. And he has said... She might have
:26:57. > :27:02.been persuaded to take his points but I think it is not likely to
:27:02. > :27:09.work this time. That relationship work this time. That relationship
:27:09. > :27:14.is fractured. What about you, Alex? This is from Tom Watson... I think
:27:14. > :27:19.it reflects the brutal nature of politics. They will be reflecting
:27:19. > :27:23.politics. They will be reflecting on themselves in a few hours.
:27:23. > :27:28.is no way it can be forgotten as far as the Conservatives are
:27:28. > :27:33.concerned. It is a bad time for David Cameron. He is not getting
:27:33. > :27:38.any bounce, no matter what he does. Even with the referendum. People
:27:39. > :27:45.just do not like an want him. I think he has got up to 2015 but
:27:45. > :27:51.that gives a rebel 2.5 years to make a move on him. And what about
:27:51. > :27:53.the coming week. My highlight is what is going to happen with David
:27:53. > :27:57.Cameron and in terms of what is going through and what he believes
:27:57. > :28:05.in and I think he is under pressure and it is going to be something to
:28:05. > :28:10.watch. And what about you? Another election after Mid Ulster and we do
:28:10. > :28:14.not know what is going to happen. But speculation is that the new man
:28:14. > :28:21.and it will be a man will have to be in place as the Pope and that
:28:21. > :28:25.will move very quickly because the Vatican are meeting on the 11th of
:28:25. > :28:29.this month. Next week we will see something happening. And we will
:28:29. > :28:34.have the abortion debate on Tuesday and we have touched about that and
:28:34. > :28:38.people feel strongly about it. I ran at the last election as an
:28:38. > :28:45.independent candidate it was the issue I was asked about on the
:28:45. > :28:49.doorstep the Maze. It has been raised by many people. It has
:28:49. > :28:53.raised difficulties even within parties and so on. It is a
:28:53. > :29:02.difficult one and it must be handled sensitively. And it cuts
:29:02. > :29:07.across the political spectrum. Look at that quote from Mickey Hart.
:29:07. > :29:12.is a moral and conscious thing. I think when people have a petition
:29:12. > :29:16.of concern it can be an abuse. But it is a freedom of conscience issue.
:29:16. > :29:20.Maybe it should be put to a referendum because the Assembly
:29:20. > :29:25.will be dominated by middle-aged men and it does not pay any
:29:25. > :29:29.attention to women and they need to deal with it. We have got a long