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:00:24. > :00:28.They say a new year brings a new start, but does it?

:00:28. > :00:31.Violence is back on the streets of Belfast. Nearly 40 days of Union

:00:31. > :00:38.Flag protests have seen over 100 people arrested, 68 police officers

:00:38. > :00:41.injured and businesses left counting the huge economic cost.

:00:41. > :00:45.The First Minister has called for a stop to the protests, but they show

:00:45. > :00:54.no signs of ending. Is the DUP still the voice of unionism or

:00:54. > :01:00.could the language of violence be a threat to the party's leadership?

:01:00. > :01:03.will be looking at what the loyalist protests mean for the DUP

:01:03. > :01:09.and the First Minister, Peter Robinson.

:01:09. > :01:12.This morning the Unionist Forum met to tackle the stalemate. Is this

:01:12. > :01:14.the new way forward or just another talking shop for politicians?

:01:14. > :01:17.They're questions I'll be putting to our panel.

:01:17. > :01:21.And in a week of damning headlines for Belfast across the globe, can

:01:21. > :01:25.the city's Titanic heritage help it shake off the gloom? Where we are

:01:25. > :01:28.standing now was rubble and wasteland in 2008 until they

:01:28. > :01:32.started building the apartments and the college behind us here, the

:01:32. > :01:37.visitor centre, the office blocks. All this stuff is a chance for us

:01:37. > :01:39.to start afresh. And for their views on our changing

:01:39. > :01:41.political landscape we'll hear from commentators Paul McFadden and

:01:41. > :01:48.Debbie Watters. And you can, of course, follow the

:01:48. > :01:51.programme on Twitter - that's @bbctheview.

:01:51. > :01:54.Disaffected, disconnected and defiant - so far loyalist youths

:01:54. > :02:00.have refused to heed a call from the First Minister to stop their

:02:00. > :02:03.protests. They're the latest generation to take to the streets

:02:03. > :02:09.venting their anger over issues that include cultural identity and

:02:09. > :02:11.relations with nationalism. We'll be discussing those issues and more

:02:11. > :02:14.with our guests shortly, but first our political correspondent,

:02:14. > :02:24.Martina Purdy, has been assessing just how big a threat the protests

:02:24. > :02:31.

:02:31. > :02:35.are to Peter Robinson and the DUP. People power '70s-style. The

:02:35. > :02:39.problem was power-sharing and it was loyalist mass protests like

:02:39. > :02:44.these coupled with street violence that helped collapse Stormont and

:02:44. > :02:47.force the unionist leader and Prime Minister, Brian Faulkner from

:02:47. > :02:51.office. Today's demonstration clearly is a focal point of

:02:51. > :02:56.confidence and certainty for the loyalists. 40 years on, that

:02:56. > :03:02.confidence has faded. The loyalists are still protesting, albeit in

:03:02. > :03:09.smaller numbers. So how big a threat are they to the stability of

:03:09. > :03:13.Stormont and the current unionist leadership? These angry youths are

:03:13. > :03:18.dangerous and damaging, but for veterans of the Troubles, the

:03:18. > :03:22.demand of some that Peter Robinson should quit is no more than a cry

:03:22. > :03:27.in the dark as politics here has changed too much. I don't think

:03:27. > :03:33.that the protests are in any way a threat to Peter Robinson, or the

:03:33. > :03:37.leadership of the DUP. Politics has changed in Northern Ireland. The

:03:37. > :03:42.electoral system has changed. can only judge Peter Robinson by

:03:42. > :03:45.the electoral figures. That is how you judge the success of a

:03:45. > :03:51.political party. It is Peter Robinson that has now taken us to

:03:51. > :03:56.being the largest unionist party. So he is not Brian Faulkner? He is

:03:56. > :04:03.no Brian Faulkner. Much of the protest has been centred in the

:04:03. > :04:07.East Belfast constituency of Peter Robinson. There's clear hostility

:04:07. > :04:12.to him and the Good Friday Agreement from a post-troubles

:04:12. > :04:17.generation of loyalists who were children when it was signed.

:04:17. > :04:24.seen in 1998, Trimble got a massive mandate. Within a short number of

:04:24. > :04:30.years, that turned drastically. We are seeing the same here. Peter

:04:30. > :04:37.Robinson hounded David Trimble out of office. Peter Robinson made a

:04:37. > :04:43.comment that the only cabinet should be made with brass handles!

:04:43. > :04:47.Others point to clear pressures on the First Minister. It is an

:04:47. > :04:53.extremely difficult job with his own hardliners. You have to

:04:53. > :04:56.remember the background of that. Paisley appealing to the most

:04:57. > :05:01.intransigent of people. What is the view from the First Minister's

:05:01. > :05:06.office? I have had many challenges and I'm sure will have many more

:05:06. > :05:10.challenges in the months and years ahead. Everyone recognised we were

:05:10. > :05:14.in a process. That process will have its ups and downs. It will

:05:14. > :05:18.have rocky moments. It is having that at the present time. I believe

:05:18. > :05:22.the overwhelming desire of people in Northern Ireland is to have a

:05:22. > :05:29.peaceful and stable Northern Ireland. Peter Robinson, once the

:05:29. > :05:34.young man challenging authority, has dismissed the Ulster People's

:05:34. > :05:38.Forum as being bankrupt of ideas after it suggested direct rule as

:05:38. > :05:44.an alternative. He dismissed us. Not sure what word he used. He

:05:44. > :05:50.thinks we are a couple of idiots running about on the streets. Maybe

:05:50. > :05:54.he should get on with his work! Despite the DUP's leader call for a

:05:54. > :05:58.halt to protests, some DUP figures have been present on the ground.

:05:58. > :06:03.Though it is not clear if this is a party split or a political tactic

:06:03. > :06:09.to keep grassroots on board. What is clear is that Peter Robinson's

:06:09. > :06:14.demands for the protest to end have been ignored. I wouldn't like to be

:06:14. > :06:19.in his position. It is extremely difficult. He does need to somehow

:06:19. > :06:24.grasp this and really get more involved and more spelling it out

:06:24. > :06:31.in detail as to what is needed and the sort of future that we need to

:06:31. > :06:38.have here. Peter Robinson has begun by setting up a forum to address

:06:38. > :06:48.grievances. One of the key players is set to contest the Mid-Ulster

:06:48. > :06:52.by-election this spring. Willie Fraser's attempts to get elected

:06:52. > :06:55.have failed previously. impressed by some of the young

:06:55. > :07:01.people speaking on behalf of the demonstrators. There is obviously a

:07:01. > :07:06.new breed of politicians coming to the fore. They may get together and

:07:06. > :07:12.form their own political party. There is a case for it in that what

:07:13. > :07:17.is generally referred to as the working-class loyalists people,

:07:18. > :07:21.they don't have spokespeople in the Assembly. Those who want a peaceful,

:07:21. > :07:27.loyalist revolution are consulting through their own forum but aren't

:07:27. > :07:32.too sure what the future holds. don't know where I will see myself

:07:32. > :07:37.with the Protestant community in ten weeks never mind ten years.

:07:37. > :07:40.That is the danger. Nobody knows where this is going to go.

:07:40. > :07:45.I'm joined by DUP MP Nigel Dodds, Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly, Stewart

:07:45. > :07:51.Dickson from the Alliance Party and Jonny Harvey representing the PUP.

:07:51. > :07:56.Mr Dodds, your Party Leader has said that the Ulster People's Forum

:07:56. > :08:03.are bankrupt of ideas. What is your view on the demonstrators? What we

:08:03. > :08:08.are seeing is they are playing out, not just of issues concerning the

:08:08. > :08:13.Union Flag, which we oppose the taking down of the Flag, it should

:08:13. > :08:16.be there all year-round. We led that campaign. We empathise. We

:08:16. > :08:26.understand and lead that concern in terms of what people are saying out

:08:26. > :08:27.

:08:27. > :08:34.there. It also is a culmination of concerns about other issues. A

:08:34. > :08:39.number of other issues. The Union is more secure than ever. But it is

:08:39. > :08:43.clear that Sinn Fein, through some of its tactics has decided to wage

:08:43. > :08:47.some kind of cultural war in terms of some of the symbolism and some

:08:47. > :08:55.of the issues that are dear to unionists' hearts. In that way,

:08:55. > :08:58.they is stirred up a hornets' nest. It is incumbent upon Sinn Fein and

:08:58. > :09:02.the Republicans to step back and think what damage they are doing.

:09:02. > :09:06.We don't want to go back to direct rule. We don't want to go back to

:09:06. > :09:11.the dark days of the past. It is a heavy responsibility on Republicans

:09:11. > :09:16.to live up to their responsibility and not engage in this cultural

:09:16. > :09:24.warfare that they seem to be enjoying doing far too much. It is

:09:24. > :09:34.partly your fault, Gerry Kelly? whole debate has been centred

:09:34. > :09:36.

:09:36. > :09:41.around this idea of Britishness. As we sit here, over 95% of all the

:09:41. > :09:45.emblems are to do with British. The city itself is now as close to

:09:45. > :09:50.50/50 as you will get. There is Irishness there. There is no

:09:51. > :09:58.recognition. No idea within this forum of dealing with Irishness. Is

:09:58. > :10:04.there an outreach project within that forum? This idea that the

:10:04. > :10:09.whole thing is around a flag or Britishness is more perception than

:10:09. > :10:14.it is reality. What is the protest over? The protest is over the fact

:10:14. > :10:18.that a compromise was reached on the issue of our culture and of

:10:19. > :10:28.Britishness and Irishness. That is what the protest is against. It is

:10:29. > :10:30.

:10:30. > :10:37.not against the whittling away of Britishness. Jonny Harvey, you have

:10:37. > :10:43.been central to the protests. don't think anybody is in denial.

:10:43. > :10:48.This has been passed over as some sort of equal treatment. I don't

:10:48. > :10:51.understand how removing the Flag from two buildings and flying it on

:10:51. > :10:56.designated days on one other building is some sort of compromise.

:10:56. > :11:00.That seems like a token gesture. When it comes to it, there has been

:11:00. > :11:03.a great deal of opposition towards the DUP from the protesters. Have

:11:03. > :11:08.you anything to say to Nigel Dodds on that tonight? What is the reason

:11:08. > :11:13.behind the protesters having this disaffection with the DUP? There is

:11:13. > :11:20.the perception that the DUP have marched us into this situation and

:11:20. > :11:25.there is obviously the problem in areas like East Belfast where we

:11:25. > :11:29.have more Alliance councillors and MLAs than we would have had. That

:11:29. > :11:33.was felt that was a protest vote against the DUP and Peter Robinson.

:11:33. > :11:39.Those issues are coming to the forefront. Because of that, it is

:11:39. > :11:44.hard for the protesters to trust that party. Jonny has raised a

:11:44. > :11:48.number of issues there. He has raised the point about more

:11:49. > :11:57.Alliance councillors in a heavy Unionist area of Belfast. That is

:11:57. > :12:01.an issue we all have to address. I think that we need to see more

:12:01. > :12:05.unionists in the City Council. This wouldn't have happened had there

:12:05. > :12:10.been more unionists in the City Council representing unionist

:12:10. > :12:16.people. I think there are some people involved in this campaign

:12:16. > :12:19.and in coming to the fore and they have stood for election saying the

:12:19. > :12:23.sorts of things that have been said about wanting to go back to direct

:12:23. > :12:27.rule, about Sinn Fein and government. They have been rejected.

:12:27. > :12:32.Talking to some of the protesters this week, people have been saying

:12:32. > :12:42."no more them and us". They are talking about the DUP in their

:12:42. > :12:44.

:12:44. > :12:47.I deal with these issues daily. I have just come from a meeting

:12:48. > :12:52.tonight with community leaders talking about issues, not about the

:12:52. > :12:57.flag it, but about a number of issues. People are concerned. There

:12:57. > :13:02.is a recession. What we have got to do is work together at a community

:13:02. > :13:06.level, civic level, political level. That is part of the reason why the

:13:06. > :13:11.Unionist forum has been set up. not invite the protesters to the

:13:11. > :13:15.foreign? There is a sense of urgency. It has to be said, they

:13:15. > :13:18.made it clear they would not come. The point is that will not be

:13:18. > :13:23.terrace because even around the table today... It is not easy

:13:23. > :13:27.getting people together. What we have in common is support for the

:13:27. > :13:32.union and wanting to move forward. Part of the task has got to be if

:13:32. > :13:37.it is going to be relevant is to get out there and engaged. We have

:13:37. > :13:41.said through task force to get out and engage with protesters, with

:13:41. > :13:45.everybody. This will strengthen the political process as a whole. It is

:13:45. > :13:50.good for Unionism. But this will also strengthen the political

:13:50. > :13:56.process overall. At the end of the day, we will be in a much more

:13:56. > :14:02.cohesive position... How you can sit there with a straight face and

:14:02. > :14:12.arguing Unionists refusing to speak to the alliance, Sinn Fein... They

:14:12. > :14:17.are not there. How can you with a straight face argue that this is

:14:17. > :14:21.good fop nationalism? Because we can do two things at once. We can

:14:21. > :14:24.talk to Unionism, we can bring Unionism together, work on the

:14:24. > :14:29.issues of concern that are out there and have been identified by

:14:29. > :14:32.some of us what a long time. And that the same time we can carry

:14:32. > :14:42.forward a political process. We were in the Northern Ireland

:14:42. > :14:47.

:14:47. > :14:52.Executive assassin who -- this afternoon... Gentlemen, Surrey.

:14:52. > :14:57.am amazed at Nigel Dodds's description of the Forum. It seems

:14:57. > :15:00.to be a political epiphany for the DUP and the Ulster Unionists. But

:15:00. > :15:04.they have already discovered this week that they need to be talking

:15:04. > :15:09.to people. That is what politics is about and that is what I have done

:15:09. > :15:15.since I was elected in 1977. I represent people. I listen to what

:15:15. > :15:20.they say. My opinion has moved and changed and been amended by what I

:15:20. > :15:25.hear people asking me to do. That is how I hear this forum being

:15:25. > :15:28.described. I hear it being described... Nigel Dodds has just a

:15:28. > :15:34.said it is about listening to people. It is about taking their

:15:34. > :15:39.concerns on. It is about education and all of the issues of social

:15:39. > :15:43.deprivation and unemployment. That is what politics is about. That is

:15:43. > :15:47.what I was elected to deliver. Sinn Fein are not going to get off the

:15:47. > :15:52.hook tonight either. The reality is that we have the unrest of the

:15:53. > :15:56.moment and we have other people in the background stoking up further

:15:56. > :16:01.riches with Gerry Adams coming along and insisting on a border

:16:01. > :16:06.poll. We do not need it. We know what the people of Northern Ireland

:16:06. > :16:11.want. Why are you afraid of it? simply do not need one. You know as

:16:11. > :16:16.well as I won that the people of Northern Ireland... Critic to the

:16:16. > :16:21.vote. That is what politics is about as well -- put it to the vote.

:16:21. > :16:27.We do not need a poll to tell us what we already know. The Mars the

:16:27. > :16:32.majority of people want to remain in the United Kingdom -- the vast

:16:32. > :16:41.majority. At some stage in the future, we will have an appropriate

:16:41. > :16:45.border poll and people will be able to make the democratic decision.

:16:46. > :16:50.The constitution issue has been settled. All of the top of wanting

:16:50. > :16:56.to concentrate on jobs is shown to be nonsense and that is the problem.

:16:57. > :17:03.The DUP wound the situation up in Belfast... You delivered 40,000

:17:03. > :17:07.leaflets telling a pack of lies. That is wrong. A bit is not wrong.

:17:07. > :17:11.It is simply wrong. We have delivered a factual situation

:17:11. > :17:21.across Belfast. We have told people to engage politically because what

:17:21. > :17:22.

:17:22. > :17:29.we want to do... People simply did not engaged in the way in which...

:17:29. > :17:33.That is unfortunate. I am going to interrupt. Have you accepted that

:17:33. > :17:38.you can only change the system if you are within the system? I think

:17:38. > :17:42.it is important that the disaffected loyalist unionist...

:17:42. > :17:47.Whatever you want to call them, that they are engaged in the

:17:47. > :17:51.political process. My appear in his it is a party up works hard on the

:17:51. > :17:55.ground. They support the people and I think the PP is one of the

:17:55. > :18:00.parties that will deliver and hold things like the Unionist forum to

:18:00. > :18:04.account because the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Will you

:18:04. > :18:08.call on them to stop the protests and get it back to politics?

:18:08. > :18:12.think people have the right to peaceful protest and we will always

:18:12. > :18:19.support the right to that. What the protesters on the ground need to

:18:19. > :18:25.see his re-election. What has your party been doing in terms of the

:18:25. > :18:32.flag issue, Gerry Kelly? We come forward with a process of

:18:32. > :18:35.reconciliation, a process of a wood engagement. The Unionist demand...

:18:36. > :18:43.If they were really involved in reconciliation themselves, they

:18:43. > :18:49.would be saying, OK, let us talk about this. That is not what

:18:49. > :18:53.they're doing. Should they make a gesture now? Should the Unionists

:18:53. > :19:02.make a gesture and all of those areas where they are flying the

:19:02. > :19:08.flag and put the try colour Cup as well? Do we need a common policy?

:19:08. > :19:16.Of course we do. This Unionists in a pan Unionist forum will not sit

:19:16. > :19:21.down and resolve this issue. It happen last year. The lowest common

:19:21. > :19:25.denominator was what came out. The main parties backed the protesters

:19:25. > :19:31.as opposed to saying, we need more sense. That is what would happen in

:19:31. > :19:35.this form, I guarantee you. Nigel Dodds, it is not looking good for

:19:35. > :19:42.agreement if tonight is anything to go by. A common flag policy, is

:19:42. > :19:45.that something that UN Sinn Fein need to sit down and workout?

:19:45. > :19:51.Kelly completely ignored the question. His face with the fact

:19:51. > :19:54.that what happened in Belfast was the quality, compromise. When Sinn

:19:54. > :19:59.Fein had a chance to vote for the same thing they refused to vote for

:19:59. > :20:03.it. The fact is that it is one policy for Belfast based on a

:20:03. > :20:07.quality but a different policy when you are in control. That is the

:20:07. > :20:10.problem we have with Sinn Fein one of the time. They are poking the

:20:10. > :20:17.knife into people and annoying the Unionist community and doing it

:20:17. > :20:22.deliberately because they know they will not get a united Ireland.

:20:22. > :20:29.are you so nervous? We are not nervous. We want to get on with the

:20:29. > :20:36.real issues. We want to be... The real issues are in the jobs, the

:20:36. > :20:40.economy, young people. You are now trying to have a whole campaign

:20:40. > :20:44.about eight border poll. Have you parties failed in not coming out

:20:44. > :20:48.shoulder to shoulder in the way you did in the past? Should be deeply

:20:48. > :20:55.and Sinn Fein not have come back together and tried to stop the

:20:55. > :21:00.protest -- the DUP and Sinn Fein? Today at executive, the DUP, Sinn

:21:00. > :21:06.Fein, Alliance Party, SDLP, we were working on the issues that affect

:21:06. > :21:10.the people of Northern Ireland. We as a party will work with people in

:21:10. > :21:14.communities in our areas. We have been given the trust of many people

:21:14. > :21:19.and we will continue to work for those people strongly as I was

:21:19. > :21:25.denied working with communities, civic leaders, political leaders...

:21:25. > :21:32.She Sinn Fein's position in Belfast this but no flag or both flags. It

:21:32. > :21:37.is a simple policy. What happened in Belfast was there was a

:21:37. > :21:44.compromise offered by their alliance... That is alliance. The

:21:44. > :21:47.protests are about compromise. I want to see a quality. I want

:21:47. > :21:52.Irishness in the forefront along with people's Britishness. I have

:21:52. > :21:58.no problem with Britishness. The problem is what they look on

:21:58. > :22:02.Irishness as. What is your way forward? Clearly, what we need to

:22:02. > :22:09.deliver on... I was disappointed to hear Peter Robinson equivocate on

:22:09. > :22:15.the C S I strategy to today. We need showed initiative for the

:22:15. > :22:19.future. That is the failure of Sinn Fein and the DUP here tonight.

:22:19. > :22:23.walked away from the discussions. Because the issues could not be

:22:23. > :22:27.resolved by both of those parties. We need to resolve the flag issue.

:22:27. > :22:31.We need to resolve the issue about proper shared living in Northern

:22:32. > :22:35.Ireland. We need to resolve the problem of the past. People have to

:22:35. > :22:39.step up to the mark and deal with the very serious issues because if

:22:39. > :22:42.they do not we will have more and more of these protests. If the

:22:42. > :22:48.parties do not agree at Stormont how can you expect people to agree

:22:48. > :22:52.on the streets? They will never agree on the streets. The only way

:22:52. > :22:56.we will agree is by sitting down and talking. I have been doing that

:22:56. > :23:01.since I was elected in 1977. Her and delighted to be in the Assembly

:23:01. > :23:07.and take my role and I was sick to listen to representatives from all

:23:07. > :23:12.of the other parties -- I will sit and listen. We are in the midst of

:23:12. > :23:17.a world recession. We do not need violence. We need jobs and proper

:23:17. > :23:21.education and a good quality health service that delivers far everybody

:23:21. > :23:26.in Northern Ireland regardless of whether you are nationalist and

:23:26. > :23:33.unionist, Republican... The impact of the flag protest on the economy

:23:33. > :23:37.has been well-documented. Earlier today the estimate of the cost to

:23:37. > :23:41.business was �15 million. It has not all been doom and gloom. When

:23:41. > :23:46.to stay the Titanic visitor Centre said it has sold many more tickets

:23:46. > :23:51.than expected in December. We have been down to the quarter where be

:23:51. > :23:55.Chaplain for the area told us why it can be an example to the rest of

:23:55. > :24:00.Northern Ireland. I think the beautiful thing about this place is

:24:00. > :24:05.that it is steeped in history. You see the slipways and the dry docks

:24:05. > :24:08.and all of this incredible history. It is history that is not divisive,

:24:08. > :24:13.we share a story that we can all be fascinated by, the men that

:24:13. > :24:16.hammered together this wonder of the world, this fascinating story

:24:16. > :24:20.and this beautiful ship. Where we are standing now was rubble and

:24:20. > :24:26.waste and backing 2008 until they started building the apartments and

:24:26. > :24:30.the college bar high-dose, the office blocks, all of this stuff --

:24:30. > :24:37.the college behind us. It is a chance for us to start afresh.

:24:37. > :24:41.Someone said that this was the best blank page the Church has had in

:24:41. > :24:48.Ireland. It is true for community as well. We can try to live out the

:24:48. > :24:57.Belfast we have always dreamt of with a fresh start. Now with me now

:24:57. > :25:01.in commentators corner... You have been helping to convince some of

:25:01. > :25:07.the meetings to try and find a solution to the protests. How hope

:25:07. > :25:13.for la you? We have just had a very helpful discussion -- how hopeful

:25:13. > :25:17.are you? I am not sure after that discussion that we will come out of

:25:18. > :25:25.the wilderness. I am hopeful and hear his wife. Working with people

:25:25. > :25:30.in East Belfast over the past week -- here is why. I feel people do

:25:30. > :25:34.want to find a solution to the problems. Do they want an end to

:25:34. > :25:38.the protests? I think they are two different issues. People believe

:25:38. > :25:41.they have the right to peaceful protest. The issue now is that the

:25:41. > :25:45.protests are giving rise to violence and in my opinion for that

:25:45. > :25:50.reason we need to revisit the protests and the protests need to

:25:50. > :25:54.come to an end. They need to come to an end without creating a vacuum.

:25:54. > :25:59.The vacuum needs to be felled by a political process and a good

:25:59. > :26:03.community process that addresses the issues of social inequality

:26:03. > :26:07.that Stewart referred to. You are an independent member of the

:26:07. > :26:12.policing board. There have been claims from loyalists about prevent

:26:12. > :26:16.to them by the police. What is your view on that? We had a briefing

:26:16. > :26:20.today from the Chief Constable and just to summarise I think

:26:20. > :26:25.personally the police were caught in the middle with this. They are

:26:25. > :26:30.policing a very difficult situation. I think they need to be given some

:26:30. > :26:34.grace but we can never accept bad policing and unprofessional

:26:34. > :26:39.policing. Over the past 40 days, the police have got a lot of things

:26:39. > :26:42.right, but at their own admission, they have got something's wrong.

:26:42. > :26:46.But they were willing to engage with community workers in East

:26:46. > :26:51.Belfast this week and hold their hands up and tried to map out a way

:26:51. > :26:57.forward. I think that is healthy and good. How is almost playing out

:26:58. > :27:01.in County Derry? I think people by and large would share the fears of

:27:01. > :27:05.people in the business community and many people in other walks of

:27:05. > :27:10.life in Northern Ireland about the damage this issue is doing to the

:27:10. > :27:16.economy and prospects for jobs. Nigel Dodds mentioned tonight that

:27:16. > :27:20.the real issue was the economy and jobs. An interesting phrase. Debbie

:27:20. > :27:26.is saying that she is optimistic. My difficulty is that I am not

:27:26. > :27:29.entirely sure what the problem is. There was a phrase in the Irish

:27:29. > :27:32.Times this week, a dangerous incoherence on the streets of

:27:32. > :27:41.Belfast and a sweat in Northern Ireland. I do not know whether

:27:41. > :27:44.there the problem is about flags or alienation and chipping away of

:27:44. > :27:49.identity. Deprivation, jobs. I am not entirely sure what the problem

:27:49. > :27:56.is. There is confusion. I do not know for example what the people in

:27:56. > :28:03.the task force are going to say to people. You are going to get your

:28:03. > :28:07.flag up, you are going to get this or that. Or will we try and arrive

:28:07. > :28:13.at a shared future in which all of the people of Northern Ireland can

:28:13. > :28:17.live together. Social media has played an enormous part in the

:28:17. > :28:24.protests and enabled people to find out where they are are happening.

:28:24. > :28:27.The tweet of the week. Young people living in the most disadvantaged of

:28:27. > :28:33.our communities are becoming embroiled and criminalised by

:28:33. > :28:36.disturbances on our streets. Why did you pick that? Because in

:28:36. > :28:42.saying we have the right to peaceful protest, we have to accept

:28:42. > :28:48.the consequences. Over the past 40 days, numerous young people have

:28:48. > :28:53.become caught up in the violence because they think it is sexy and

:28:53. > :28:58.fun. Probably only for that reason a lot of them have got involved.

:28:58. > :29:02.But they are being criminalised. 10, 11, 12 year olds are on the streets.

:29:02. > :29:06.If we are really committed to a share future, if we are really

:29:06. > :29:10.committed to rebuilding our communities, we have to be

:29:10. > :29:20.committed to giving our young people a future. Your tweet

:29:20. > :29:22.

:29:22. > :29:25.thankfully is a bit more light- hearted. A bit of light in the

:29:25. > :29:29.gloom. A veteran republican, he gloom. A veteran republican, he

:29:29. > :29:35.celebrated his 60th birthday yesterday and he tweeted... They

:29:35. > :29:39.have got the flags mixed up. It's the thought that counts. A bit of

:29:39. > :29:44.the thought that counts. A bit of humour in the gloom. What about the

:29:44. > :29:50.week ahead. What will happen? Come we see an end to the protest?

:29:50. > :29:54.Looking ahead, I want to concentrate on the Unionist forum.

:29:54. > :29:58.What will it deliver? Who will it engage with and will it make a

:29:58. > :30:04.difference? I think a lot of people are looking at that. Let us give it

:30:04. > :30:09.a chance. It is the beginning of a process and I think it will engage

:30:09. > :30:13.other political parties including Sinn Fein and the Alliance at some

:30:13. > :30:17.stage. Protestant, Unionist communities, they need to do this

:30:17. > :30:23.on their own at this stage. How are you looking ahead to the next week?

:30:23. > :30:31.I am looking no for the for a ban Sunday lunchtime. The Premiership