:00:30. > :00:37.On The View tonight. You see your culture being undermind and
:00:37. > :00:43.gradually eroded, that causes great anger, sense of alienation,
:00:43. > :00:51.bitterness. I think that really is what has burst out onto the streets
:00:51. > :00:54.now. Frustrated and isolated, where will the Loyalist community find
:00:54. > :00:59.political leadership. And are we hearing mixed messages on
:00:59. > :01:04.continuing the street protests. I will put those questions to Sinn
:01:04. > :01:08.Fein, the dup and alliance. And the fallout from the Finucane review,
:01:08. > :01:18.our professors are back with their views. You can follow the programme
:01:18. > :01:22.on Twitter,@ BBC The View. We've had ten days of angry protest,
:01:22. > :01:29.threats and violence, all since the decision was made by Belfast City
:01:29. > :01:32.Council to stop the flag flying over City Hall on all but a handful
:01:32. > :01:35.of designated days. Was it the cause or a symptom of a deeper
:01:35. > :01:42.malaise? The View asked our Political Correspondent, Martina
:01:42. > :01:47.Purdy, to take a look at the underlying mood in loyalism. Not
:01:47. > :01:50.much peace and goodwill in Belfast this Christmas, which has seen some
:01:50. > :02:00.of the worst Loyalist rioting for years. So why are loyalists so
:02:00. > :02:01.
:02:01. > :02:04.angry? For what they say this is a betrayal of the Councilors in the
:02:04. > :02:08.City Hall. They feel they are being told that they, their children and
:02:08. > :02:13.their culture are no longer welcome in this city. They feel the
:02:13. > :02:19.Christmas present the City Hall gave them was that of rejection.
:02:19. > :02:23.Not the future envisaged by these Loyalist leaders in 1998 having
:02:23. > :02:27.signed the Good Friday agreement. So why did it go wrong? Sinn Fein
:02:28. > :02:29.are acting outside the spirit of the Good Friday agreement. For a
:02:29. > :02:35.call for reconciliation at Westminster in September, October
:02:35. > :02:39.time and then remove a flag - where is the reconciliation in that?
:02:39. > :02:43.Loyalists have a list of grievances suggesting the flag was the final
:02:43. > :02:48.straw. People wanted to remove royal from the royal Victoria
:02:48. > :02:52.Hospital. People refused or tried to disrupt the home coming parade
:02:52. > :02:58.for people fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. People are really
:02:58. > :03:02.concerned that they called a child's play park of a Republican
:03:02. > :03:07.caught with a weapon that killed ten Protestants. I could go on and
:03:07. > :03:11.on. The shank hill Road the heart of loyalism and it's one of the
:03:11. > :03:15.most deprived areas of the United Kingdom, yet barely half the people
:03:15. > :03:20.in this district bothered to vote at the last council election.
:03:20. > :03:24.Perhaps they no longer see much point in voting as the strength in
:03:24. > :03:29.numbers they once enjoyed has diminished Things have been going
:03:29. > :03:34.wrong, from their perspective, for a long time. In their heady days,
:03:34. > :03:36.in the 60s and 70s, they felt they were in charge and the belief they
:03:36. > :03:40.had brought down the executive. Anything like that hasn't happened
:03:40. > :03:44.for a long time. The ratchet they feel is moving in One Direction and
:03:44. > :03:48.One Direction only and they're not really gaining much from it.
:03:48. > :03:53.Loyalists complain not of the union being in danger, but of their
:03:53. > :03:57.cultural identity being eroded. That is felt most acutely in areas
:03:57. > :04:02.where jobs are scarce, health is poor and hope seems lost. Middle
:04:02. > :04:06.class people say, look, it's only a flag, get a life. Buff when you
:04:06. > :04:13.live a life which is very restricted, job opportunities are
:04:13. > :04:16.nil, education is poor, schools are substandard, health is poor,
:04:16. > :04:19.there's addiction and alcohol problems, then, your culture
:04:19. > :04:25.becomes very important to you. Because there isn't a huge amount
:04:25. > :04:30.else in your life to really give you a sense of purpose, a sense of
:04:30. > :04:39.achievement, a sense of identity, when you see your culture being
:04:39. > :04:44.undermined and gradually eroded, that causes great discomfort, anger,
:04:44. > :04:48.sense of alienation, bitterness. That's what burst onto the streets
:04:48. > :04:51.now as the flag became the centre of a power struggle waged by
:04:51. > :04:56.Unionist parties against Alliance. Unionist leaders have told
:04:56. > :05:01.loyalists to keep it peaceful or stop. Don't they realise they're
:05:01. > :05:06.damaging their own job prospects? Yes, they do. But when you're angry
:05:06. > :05:12.sometimes you're irrational. Loyalists have lost their voice at
:05:12. > :05:17.Stormont and blame the DUP and Sinn Fein for failing to tackle social
:05:17. > :05:22.deprivation. They also blame Sinn Fein, hungry for change, for
:05:22. > :05:29.thinking only of themselves alone. Sinn Fein have taken advantage of a
:05:29. > :05:33.difficult situation. They have been mischievious if not malicious in
:05:33. > :05:37.some of the things they have said. I think that they need to face up
:05:37. > :05:41.to their responsibilities, which I think they have singularly failed
:05:41. > :05:45.to do in this situation, passing blame, shifting it around, trying
:05:45. > :05:49.to look as if they're the innocent party, when in fact, they are up to
:05:49. > :05:53.their necks in some of the political manoeuvring that's going
:05:53. > :05:56.on. Sinn Fein said, speaking as a politician here, they said they
:05:56. > :06:01.wanted to befriend the Loyalist people. They shot themselves in the
:06:01. > :06:05.foot. Some say a rapidly changing world, a changing union, needs
:06:06. > :06:10.better management from leaders. The solution may lie in the kind of
:06:10. > :06:17.dialogue and engagement that led to the Good Friday agreement. For me,
:06:17. > :06:20.this is a revolution to other people with a small "r". To move to
:06:20. > :06:25.the next level is how we look at the constitutional issues around
:06:26. > :06:29.all of it. The PUP is coming forward with a paper and say a
:06:29. > :06:33.Unionist, Loyalist think-tank would be a good starting point. In the
:06:34. > :06:41.meantime, loyalists say the protests wonts go away. ( -- won't
:06:41. > :06:44.go away. I'm joined now by Sinn Fein's Gerry
:06:44. > :06:49.Kelly, the Alliance Party leader, David Ford, and Edwin Poots from
:06:49. > :06:53.the DUP. We heard there from grassroots loyalists and they're
:06:53. > :06:56.clearly convinced that Sinn Fein's agenda has led to this whole
:06:56. > :07:00.situation on the ground. In fact, they have a point, don't they?
:07:00. > :07:03.agenda is very open and straightforward. We believe in
:07:03. > :07:06.equality. Equality should damage no-one. Equality is about everyone,
:07:06. > :07:11.not just one section of the community. I think we need to put
:07:11. > :07:14.this in context. I understand and this week has been about
:07:14. > :07:20.Britishness. But it's about Irishness as well. If you look into
:07:20. > :07:26.the City Hall at this moment, as we sit here, 90% of all the artefacts
:07:26. > :07:30.are about colonialism or British identity, all of that. But this is
:07:30. > :07:35.about bringing down the Union Flag. You have to put it into context in
:07:35. > :07:38.fairness. I'm telling what the reality in City Hall is. We've
:07:38. > :07:44.heard that the flag is taken down from the City Hall. My view is that
:07:44. > :07:48.it should have been taken down. But this was a compromise. The flag is
:07:48. > :07:51.still up in the City Hall on designated days. Maybe you failed
:07:51. > :07:55.to prepare the way as far as grassroots loyalism was concerned,
:07:55. > :08:00.maybe you didn't make the point and have a long enough lead in for
:08:00. > :08:05.people to understand the subtleties that you say actually are relevant.
:08:05. > :08:10.Here's actually what happened: What happened was the DUP put out 40,000
:08:10. > :08:14.leaflets to make sure that everybody knew. If you're talking
:08:14. > :08:18.about preparation, they prepared loyalism that they took the Jeanie
:08:18. > :08:22.out of the bottle, created an atmosphere where there was violence
:08:22. > :08:26.and they have to take responsibility for that. Has the
:08:26. > :08:30.DUP prepared the way forts changes that are going to take place in the
:08:30. > :08:33.society if there's to be genuine equality? The changes that we need
:08:33. > :08:38.to see is further investment into Loyalist communities. We need to
:08:38. > :08:43.tackle problems that exist there. We know, for example, that
:08:43. > :08:47.educational output in Loyalist communities spbtd as good as in
:08:47. > :08:51.working class republican areas. What's my department going to do
:08:51. > :08:55.about it? How do we work together to make sure we get the right
:08:55. > :08:58.parenting schools ipbtd deuced. Those are the things that will make
:08:58. > :09:01.a difference. Are loyalists on the street at the moment demonstrating
:09:01. > :09:04.about bad schools and poor health care? Or are they demonstrating
:09:04. > :09:09.because the Union Flag has been removed and because their
:09:09. > :09:13.politicians tell them that their Britishness is being chipped away
:09:13. > :09:17.at? They're demonstrating because there was a bad decision taken at
:09:17. > :09:22.the City Hall. You have to concede it was a democratic decision.
:09:22. > :09:26.was. It was a bad decision. It was a despicable decision, disgraceful
:09:26. > :09:33.decision, and ill-timed decision. It was read completely wrongly by
:09:33. > :09:36.Sinn Fein and the SDLP and the Alliance Party. People across
:09:36. > :09:39.Northern Ireland, from both middle class and working class backgrounds,
:09:39. > :09:42.are absolutely furious about the flag. So there's tens of thousands
:09:42. > :09:45.of people who are not on the streets protesting, bau they're
:09:45. > :09:49.angry at how this has been handleded. There are a lot of
:09:49. > :09:53.people not on the streets protesting, but are furious that
:09:53. > :09:58.people are and they can't get home, or into hospitals and Ogogo about
:09:58. > :10:03.their daily business. We have urged people not to disrupt others and
:10:03. > :10:08.engage in vie lents behaviour. I've condemned violent behaviour every
:10:08. > :10:12.time I come on the TV. I condemn all the actions against every other
:10:12. > :10:15.political representative. I've listened to Alliance members who
:10:15. > :10:19.have attacked the DUP and didn't pass remarks about the violence
:10:19. > :10:23.against DUP members. Can you explain why the enterprise minister,
:10:23. > :10:26.your colleague in the Executive, asked people to move beyond
:10:26. > :10:31.protests. It's time to take it off the streets and move forward.
:10:31. > :10:34.Protesters should listen to the voice of traders. At the same time,
:10:34. > :10:38.this evening, William Humphrey, one of your well known MLAs in Stormont
:10:38. > :10:42.is taking part in a protest in north Belfast. That's fairly easy
:10:42. > :10:47.to explain. We've been asked for a number of occasions by police if we
:10:47. > :10:53.can intervene in this and see if we actually ensure that if people are
:10:53. > :10:57.going to insift in protest that it's done peacefully. He's stepped
:10:58. > :11:01.up to the mark. He's taking part in the protest. Arlene Foster asked
:11:01. > :11:04.them to stop protesting. He's working with the community to
:11:04. > :11:09.ensure the protest doesn't get out of hand. We don't want protests
:11:09. > :11:13.getting out of hand. We don't want violence or disruption. We used the
:11:13. > :11:16.words tonight, he's supporting the protest. Well... Solidarity with
:11:16. > :11:21.the protest. I have solidarity with the protesters. Have you been out
:11:21. > :11:24.on the protest? I support the right of people to protest. I support the
:11:24. > :11:28.right of people to say that it was wrong to take that flag down,
:11:28. > :11:32.because it was wrong. It's manifest live wrong. Was Arlene Foster wrong
:11:32. > :11:36.in asking people to stop protesting? Arlene Foster is right
:11:36. > :11:41.to support the business community. We don't want protests which
:11:41. > :11:44.disrupt the business community nor cause violence. We will work with
:11:44. > :11:48.local Loyalist to ensure it's not the case. She said "It's time to
:11:48. > :11:52.move beyond protest. Time to take it off the streets." William
:11:52. > :11:55.Humphrey is working with people on the ground - On the street.
:11:55. > :11:59.because there was a protest on the streets. He has been involved with
:11:59. > :12:03.the local policing community to ensure... Should he not have been
:12:03. > :12:07.there saying, go home, take your protest off the streets? If William
:12:07. > :12:11.was there helping to ensure that protest was carried out peacefully,
:12:11. > :12:15.in conjunction with what the police have been talking to him about, in
:12:15. > :12:21.that communities, then he's acting responsibly. We shouldn't criticise
:12:21. > :12:26.him for that. Is that a mixed message? It's a very mixed message.
:12:26. > :12:31.First he says that Alliance has condemned some threats and not on
:12:31. > :12:35.DUP members. That is not true. I condemned every threat. I referred
:12:35. > :12:39.to the threats made against Peter Robinson and Edwin himself. I'm not
:12:39. > :12:43.accepting that we're not being balanced. The decision was a
:12:43. > :12:48.balanced decision. There was a proposals, as it's well known, for
:12:48. > :12:52.Nationalists to remove the flag completely. The Alliance compromise
:12:52. > :12:56.was to go for designated days. That applies to the majority of councils
:12:56. > :13:01.across the water. Then we get to the situation that unionists having
:13:01. > :13:06.distributed the leaflets to whip up concerns, then appear on the
:13:06. > :13:11.streets with demonstrations. We get these weezle words about trying to
:13:11. > :13:19.calm the situation down. A couple of nights ago, there was a protest
:13:19. > :13:22.meeting in a welders club in Dee Street which warped half a mile to
:13:22. > :13:26.Naomi Long's constituency office. They were entitled to have a
:13:26. > :13:31.meeting off the ground. But Unionist politicians, Councilors
:13:31. > :13:34.and MLAs from both parties walked with the protest aup to the office.
:13:34. > :13:37.Then illegally they blocked the road, disrupted the business of
:13:37. > :13:47.small shops, cafes whatever in that vicinity. That is damaging the
:13:47. > :13:51.
:13:51. > :13:56.It is a mixed message. I spent 15 minutes outside Naomi
:13:56. > :14:00.Long's office and it was calm and people moved off quickly.
:14:00. > :14:05.The night before a petrol bomb was thrown at a police car and there
:14:05. > :14:10.was a young officer in the car? That's where people are intervening
:14:10. > :14:15.and taking risks intervening. OK, would it not be better if in
:14:15. > :14:18.fact Peter Robinson's statement of last Thursday calling for the
:14:18. > :14:23.protest to be suspended was acted pong. You have got a -- upon? You
:14:23. > :14:27.have got a platform to say, "We under understand your pain, but the
:14:27. > :14:32.protests aren't helping anybody." People want to protest. We are
:14:32. > :14:36.saying don't disrupt what other people are doing. The reality is
:14:36. > :14:42.every protest is disrupting people going about their business. It is
:14:42. > :14:45.It is it is disrupting the city centre. Look at the stats of what
:14:45. > :14:50.has been lost in business. It is not valid to say, "Don't disrupt."
:14:50. > :14:55.If people are on the streets, it is disrupting business.
:14:55. > :14:59.Quite a number of protests have caused no disruption, what so ever,
:14:59. > :15:02.David. We are saying don't be blocking roads, don't be causing
:15:02. > :15:07.violence and we are there to support the police if we can to
:15:07. > :15:12.ensure that is not the case. Is it time to take the protests off
:15:12. > :15:15.the streets? Is it time for people to stop? They have made their point,
:15:16. > :15:24.stop? The street is the roads and that's blocking the roads. If
:15:24. > :15:28.people want to stand on footpaths and protest, that's legitimate.
:15:28. > :15:32.assembly Commission met today and there was annoyance on the part of
:15:32. > :15:39.parties that did turn up at the meeting today which didn't go
:15:39. > :15:44.anywhere because, of course, Sinn Fein, and the the Alliance Party
:15:44. > :15:48.and the SDLP did not turn up. Would you not have sent a representative
:15:48. > :15:55.along? We are trying to sort out the situation and the very thing is
:15:55. > :15:59.we would not go to the commission. The other parties are on the
:15:59. > :16:02.commission? The commission is set- up in a way that the majority vote
:16:02. > :16:05.could put something true. It runs against the rest of the running of
:16:05. > :16:09.the assembly. It is not the proper way to do it. If they want to bring
:16:09. > :16:12.something and want to do it properly, bring it into the
:16:12. > :16:17.assembly and let's have the debate and let's go through and it and
:16:17. > :16:20.come to a resolution. And you are happy to have that
:16:20. > :16:28.debate? I am quite happy to talk about anything and where we need to
:16:28. > :16:33.go which is your original question, we do need to talk, we do not need
:16:33. > :16:36.to be playing stroke politics on each other. Trying to put up the
:16:36. > :16:39.shift the flag argument into Stormont is the wrong way to do
:16:39. > :16:43.this. Trying to put up the flag more often in Stormont when there
:16:43. > :16:53.was an agreement on that which was also a compromise, is the wrong way
:16:53. > :16:54.
:16:54. > :17:04.to go about this. If we're going to try and... It is a funny democracy.
:17:04. > :17:05.
:17:05. > :17:09.With due respect to the DU P, in any council the nationalist were in
:17:09. > :17:14.charge of, they gave due shout. Because of the make-up of places
:17:14. > :17:22.like Lisburn and new tonne abbey and because of the make-up, you use
:17:22. > :17:29.the majority and continually used. Let's Try and see how we might
:17:29. > :17:31.resolve the flags issue. David Ford, how does your representative on the
:17:31. > :17:37.assembly commission not turning up help move that difficult situation?
:17:37. > :17:47.You said about the commission not meeting today. Two days ago in the
:17:47. > :17:55.heightened charged atmosphere, Judith Judith Cocrane declined to
:17:55. > :18:01.go to a meeting. It wean and it was -- it was refused by the DUP
:18:01. > :18:08.representative. It was Around a consultation. On that basis, I
:18:08. > :18:13.suggested to Judith, she didn't go. She didn't go... Your Your mantra
:18:13. > :18:15.has been, "Let's talk about it.". Which is why yesterday Judith
:18:15. > :18:20.approached the other four party representatives on the commission
:18:20. > :18:24.and suggested a an informal meeting without the staff and the speaker,
:18:24. > :18:29.but as a way of seeking to deal with the relationships issues and
:18:29. > :18:34.see what the commission could do. Gerry is right, it can proceed by
:18:34. > :18:39.majority vote. On the basis the unionists agreed to meet Judith,
:18:39. > :18:48.but without the nationalist being present. Judith had a meeting with
:18:48. > :18:52.the two nationalist representatives trying to see the way to build back.
:18:52. > :18:55.How do we dig our way out of this? We have death threats against
:18:55. > :18:59.representatives from several political parties. We have seen
:18:59. > :19:02.Property attacked and we have seen individuals attacked. We have seen
:19:02. > :19:06.people prevented from going about their legal business. How do we
:19:06. > :19:13.actually stop that? Park it and say we will deal with it after
:19:13. > :19:23.Christmas and allow people festive cheer? Well, we can do without
:19:23. > :19:25.
:19:25. > :19:32.provocation. The Alliance Party's representative referred to some
:19:32. > :19:37.people as "rebel.". Some of the protesters have been. But it set
:19:37. > :19:43.the wrong context, if you talk about people inflaming things, the
:19:43. > :19:45.Alliance Party were one of the people to do that. We need to be
:19:45. > :19:48.dem demonstrating to the community that we take seriously their Points
:19:48. > :19:53.of View so when you have a consultation, that 90% of the
:19:53. > :19:57.people say we are happy with the way it is and you ignore that.
:19:57. > :20:00.Wouldn't you call for people who are involved in protests and
:20:00. > :20:05.organising more protests over the weekend and look at the social
:20:05. > :20:09.media, would you not urge them to press the pause button as Arlene
:20:09. > :20:12.Foster and Peter Robinson have done? I would discourage from
:20:12. > :20:15.engaging in anything that causes harm or hardship to any other
:20:15. > :20:21.individual if they want to make some form of legitimate protest
:20:21. > :20:26.about the flag, I will not deny them that right because that would
:20:26. > :20:36.be fascism. Gerry Kelly? We need a period of
:20:36. > :20:36.
:20:36. > :20:40.kal: of cam. Of calm. Unionist will not sorted this out -- sort this
:20:40. > :20:46.out on their own. It needs to be about more than Britishness. It
:20:46. > :20:51.needs to be Irishness as well. David Ford? We are going to need
:20:51. > :20:53.the party leaders to come together to build relationships which have
:20:53. > :20:58.been badly shattered over the last week or so.
:20:58. > :21:01.Thank you very much for joining us. We will hear the thoughts of our
:21:01. > :21:04.commentators in a moment, but there is nothing new, of course, in
:21:04. > :21:07.loyalists taking to the streets when they they believe they are
:21:07. > :21:17.under pressure. Still, things have changed from the days when they
:21:17. > :21:24.
:21:24. > :21:34.could bring down political We will endeavour to provide just
:21:34. > :22:08.
:22:08. > :22:18.Government in Ulster have been Certainly at one stage I think
:22:18. > :22:26.
:22:26. > :22:31.Now, let's take the temperature off today's political waters with our
:22:31. > :22:36.commentators. We welcome back the professors. Welcome back to both
:22:36. > :22:42.you. Have things actually changed as far as loyalist street protests
:22:42. > :22:45.are concerned since the 70s and 80s? Yes and no, we have stable
:22:45. > :22:53.political institutions so the context is different, but the
:22:53. > :22:59.simmering, discontent which is sparked by the flag issue, I think,
:22:59. > :23:02.is symptomatic of powerless. This may sound romantic, but it is a
:23:02. > :23:09.signal of, "We need help here." We need leadership and one of the
:23:09. > :23:13.things that I think is dismaying about the conversation we have had
:23:13. > :23:22.three the three politicians, there is no meeting of minds and you used
:23:22. > :23:27.the phrase, "Mixed message." And I think that is sowing further
:23:27. > :23:32.confusion. The pause button needs to be hit, but who will take this
:23:32. > :23:38.issue forward? There is no joint statement. If there is a time of
:23:38. > :23:42.leadership it is for the deputy and First Minister to jointly press the
:23:42. > :23:47.pause button and not move it to the assembly commission.
:23:47. > :23:50.Did the strength of feeling surprise you? No no not really. We
:23:50. > :23:57.noticed this after the Good Friday Agreement, there was a feeling it
:23:57. > :24:00.was a win, win for all communities. It became clear that loyalist
:24:00. > :24:03.communities felt they were left behind. There are socio economic
:24:03. > :24:06.problems and they have been pointed out, under achievement in terms of
:24:06. > :24:10.education particularly around young young males, we know those things,
:24:10. > :24:15.do, I don't think it is surprising, but I think this is a time when we
:24:15. > :24:19.needed leadership from the unionist community, they should have said
:24:19. > :24:26."this is a compromise. It is how you sell this issue. They should
:24:26. > :24:30.say, "The Good Friday good agreement, we need to work together
:24:30. > :24:33.for everyone in Northern Ireland." It is dismaying when we hear
:24:33. > :24:38.politicians talking about our community, your community. If this
:24:38. > :24:46.is about a shared future, we are taking a view to say Northern
:24:46. > :24:53.Ireland has huge potential, but socio economic issues have got to
:24:53. > :24:57.be addressed. The report into Pat Finucane, were
:24:57. > :25:02.surprised at the level of collusion detailed in that report?
:25:02. > :25:10.systematic collusion that was taking place, I think, was, I think
:25:10. > :25:18.alarming really. I don't think though that this is going to meet
:25:18. > :25:22.meet what the Finucanes want is an inquiry, I don't think that's left
:25:22. > :25:26.that's going to happen. What this demonstrate the security forces
:25:26. > :25:32.were not just turning a blind eye, they were actually actively
:25:32. > :25:37.encouraging, you know, murder. I think that is, it casts a really
:25:37. > :25:44.dark stain, I think, on a whole period of our recent history during,
:25:44. > :25:49.you know, what we styleted Troubles. -- strile -- style the Troubles.
:25:49. > :25:56.Should will be be prosecutions? What it really demonstrates, we
:25:56. > :26:04.have to deal with our past. There are tensions and they are
:26:04. > :26:08.resurfacing with coroners reports and it will be a drip, drip effect.
:26:08. > :26:13.We have had some way of drawing a line under the past. It may not be
:26:13. > :26:18.that you look at individual cases, it maybe that orsz that
:26:18. > :26:22.organisations have to be investigated. It is the elephant in
:26:22. > :26:26.the room and it will come back and haunt us and our politicians have
:26:26. > :26:30.to say, "We have to find a system to buy into dealing with the past
:26:30. > :26:34.and give victims a voice." We cannot have this hierarchy of
:26:34. > :26:38.victims and a feeling that all the reports are all about States
:26:38. > :26:41.sponsored collusion. There is a feeling, going back to the earlier
:26:41. > :26:45.point that other victims are being ignored and those, that context has
:26:45. > :26:51.got to be addressed if we are going to move forward and have a shared
:26:51. > :26:56.future. A final word. The alternative is a
:26:56. > :27:00.path will continue to structure the future. As we are not dealing with
:27:00. > :27:03.the past, this will be a running sore in Northern Ireland.
:27:03. > :27:06.Census figures. Any surprises? is interesting because it is the
:27:06. > :27:12.first time we have had a question about identity and what the census
:27:12. > :27:18.shows us is that the danger of equating religion with with
:27:18. > :27:23.identity and the surprise is 21% of the population say they are
:27:23. > :27:25.comfortable with Northern Irish only. 21% of the population are
:27:25. > :27:29.comfortable with the devolved settlement and that is interesting
:27:29. > :27:34.and the politician will be interrogating the figures and
:27:34. > :27:38.saying "well, who are those people?" It is not as simple are as
:27:38. > :27:47.you are in one camp or the other? This issue of Northern Irish is
:27:47. > :27:51.important. It is clearly embedded within the
:27:51. > :27:55.census, there is a majority for the Union. You know, Northern Ireland's
:27:55. > :28:04.place in the Union. That is why it is so important for the politician
:28:04. > :28:10.to lead us out of that concern. The result over in England and Wales
:28:10. > :28:15.because what it demonstrated is how much plural and diverse England and
:28:15. > :28:18.Wales is becoming. In a way, you know, that feeds into insecurity
:28:18. > :28:22.amongst loyalists here because is the Union is in flux, but the
:28:22. > :28:26.British have a genius for dealing with that change. We don't seem to
:28:26. > :28:32.be able to move forward to a situation where we can celebrate
:28:32. > :28:37.that kind of change. While the Union, all about us in terms of its
:28:37. > :28:43.demographics is changing. We have got to leave it there.