:00:00. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to a new season of The View.
:00:21. > :00:28.On The View tonight - Washington's watching... We hear live from one of
:00:28. > :00:32.the US's top political advisers on why Northern Ireland is still very
:00:32. > :00:36.much on the White House agenda. We'll ask the DUP's Jonathan Bell
:00:36. > :00:39.and Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly if Richard Haass can succeed where
:00:39. > :00:41.others have failed? And after a difficult summer, are
:00:41. > :00:51.attitudes hardening within republicanism, or do unionists need
:00:51. > :00:55.to be a bit more understanding? The DUP is putting down its old
:00:55. > :00:58.hardline, altering Unionist marker, and Sinn Fein feels obliged,
:00:58. > :01:01.hardline, altering Unionist marker, naturally enough, to assert its
:01:02. > :01:03.position. And back in Commentators' Corner,
:01:03. > :01:06.we'll hear the views of Professor And back in Commentators' Corner,
:01:06. > :01:13.Heenan and Professor Wilford. Plus we've added a new summer
:01:13. > :01:18.signing to our team. Mark Carruthers on The View, he knows nothing and! I
:01:18. > :01:23.am the man that has the inside track! Listen to me and!
:01:23. > :01:28.And you can, of course, follow the programme on Twitter.
:01:28. > :01:36.term, but they're hardly new subjects on the timetable. The three
:01:36. > :01:39.classics - flags, parades and 'the past' are still the hot topics and
:01:39. > :01:42.the US diplomat Richard Haass has made it clear they're top of his
:01:42. > :01:44.talks agenda which began earlier this week. But what precisely led
:01:44. > :01:48.talks agenda which began earlier the US to feel it has to give us a
:01:48. > :01:51.helping hand once again? I'm joined live from our studio in Washington
:01:51. > :02:00.by the former presidential adviser, Nancy Soderberg.
:02:00. > :02:04.Thank you for joining us, how surprised are you that 15 years
:02:04. > :02:08.after the signing of the Good Friday agreement, Northern Ireland needs
:02:08. > :02:15.another senior US figure to come and broker a deal with the local
:02:16. > :02:17.parties? I think it is unfortunate that more progress hasn't been made,
:02:17. > :02:22.parties? I think it is unfortunate but you have to step back and
:02:22. > :02:24.realise how far the parties have come in the 15 years since the Good
:02:24. > :02:26.Friday agreement. I was in Northern come in the 15 years since the Good
:02:26. > :02:32.Ireland in June and it was a vastly come in the 15 years since the Good
:02:32. > :02:37.improved progress they have made. All across the history of this
:02:37. > :02:40.conflict, the parties have sometimes needed an outside boys that could
:02:40. > :02:46.listen to both sides and help to bridge the gap. -- outside boys.
:02:46. > :02:51.Richard Haass is a very distinguished diplomat, I have no
:02:51. > :02:57.doubt he will do a fantastic job and listen to both sides and try to find
:02:57. > :03:01.a way forward. They just have to. To be arguing about these issues 15
:03:01. > :03:05.years on does not help, as you programme said to go, the economy
:03:05. > :03:09.they should be having a normal life, getting jobs, investing,
:03:09. > :03:15.moving forward and putting these things aside. There is a real
:03:15. > :03:19.commitment from the Obama Administration, also, the vice
:03:19. > :03:21.president as well, to do whatever we can. It is important to remember
:03:21. > :03:25.that Dr Haass is a private citizen can. It is important to remember
:03:25. > :03:33.and he was invited by the two parties, the two top leaders to
:03:33. > :03:37.come, and he has come here, so it has not been driven by the White
:03:37. > :03:41.House. I accept that, but it is still clear that the White House is
:03:41. > :03:45.concerned about how things unfolded here in the last 12 months. Do you
:03:45. > :03:48.think there was one thing that led President Obama to the conclusion
:03:48. > :03:55.that Northern Ireland needed to be back on his list of things to fix?
:03:55. > :04:00.First of all, they asked, they had the sense to know that they needed
:04:00. > :04:04.help with these bridges. He has always been interested in Northern
:04:04. > :04:08.Ireland, he made it clear from well before his presidency that he would
:04:08. > :04:12.be there as and when the parties needed it. The vice president is
:04:12. > :04:16.Irish, he feels like he needs to try to do what he can. Democrats,
:04:16. > :04:22.Republicans, America is committed to to do what he can. Democrats,
:04:22. > :04:27.helping our friends both in Dublin, in Belfast and in the UK, in London.
:04:28. > :04:34.We want to help to try to figure out the best way we can pray a role. --
:04:34. > :04:38.play a role. When the US broke with tradition in the 1990s and decided
:04:38. > :04:42.to get involved, the two sides had trouble talking to each other, trust
:04:42. > :04:46.had broken down so far that both sides would come to us and say, can
:04:46. > :04:50.you guarantee the other side can do this? I would say no, but they made
:04:50. > :04:55.a commitment to the US government that we do not expect them to break,
:04:55. > :05:02.so that was a way to talk to each other to the trusted, honest broker
:05:02. > :05:05.of the United States. One would hope that they would be further along,
:05:05. > :05:09.the reality is, they need assistance and had the sense to do it. I
:05:09. > :05:13.commend the leadership in Northern Ireland for recognising that they
:05:13. > :05:17.needed some help and having the political guts to ask for it. It is
:05:17. > :05:21.not easy to ask for help and I commend them for doing that, and I
:05:21. > :05:28.have no doubt that these talks will help to get past the current
:05:28. > :05:32.impasse. It must be difficult for you that Northern Ireland has forced
:05:32. > :05:35.its way back onto the political agenda in Washington. Are you not
:05:35. > :05:39.disappointed that local politicians have failed to move beyond where
:05:39. > :05:45.they currently are? They are still stuck on problems from 15 years ago.
:05:45. > :05:50.Yes, I had not been there in a while, and I was frankly surprised
:05:50. > :05:55.that some of these issues are still causing problems. On the other hand,
:05:55. > :05:58.you have to step back and look at how far the parties have come.
:05:58. > :06:04.Nobody thinks this is a reversible. Nobody expect to go back to the days
:06:04. > :06:08.of the troubles were many people are you replying. -- were many people
:06:08. > :06:18.were dying. It is time to go on and you replying. -- were many people
:06:18. > :06:22.get these issues resolved, so that you can get investment so young
:06:22. > :06:25.people have jobs and you can begin to expand the economy and economic
:06:25. > :06:30.opportunity. The more people that have jobs and a prosperous life, the
:06:30. > :06:33.less we will worry about these issues. I assume that you know
:06:33. > :06:38.less we will worry about these Richard Haass pretty well, as a
:06:38. > :06:41.private citizen and as a former US diplomat, what you think you brings
:06:41. > :06:46.to the task in hand in Northern Ireland? He is the best America has
:06:46. > :06:50.two offer, a seasoned diplomat. He Ireland? He is the best America has
:06:50. > :06:56.has been in the White House, he has been in the State Department, he now
:06:56. > :06:58.has been in the White House, he has runs a foreign policy organisation
:06:58. > :07:01.and he was a special envoy under President Bush. He has a deep
:07:01. > :07:06.understanding of these issues. I cannot think of a more talented and
:07:06. > :07:10.appropriate individual to be here, leading these talks. He, I have no
:07:10. > :07:15.doubt, will do the job he has been asked to do, which is to try to find
:07:15. > :07:20.common ground for moving these things for words, putting them
:07:20. > :07:23.aside, so that all sides can work on peace and prosperity, and it is time
:07:23. > :07:25.aside, so that all sides can work on to do that. But nobody should
:07:25. > :07:27.aside, so that all sides can work on underestimate how difficult some of
:07:27. > :07:31.these issues are. Passions are still underestimate how difficult some of
:07:31. > :07:40.strong, the pastors to leak big ghost in the room. -- the past is
:07:40. > :07:45.still a ghost in the room. Maybe, for two decades ago, these issues
:07:45. > :07:49.are just yesterday, they still miss their loved ones, it is not easy. I
:07:49. > :07:53.am impressed that they had the courage to ask for help and that we
:07:53. > :07:58.have somebody as talented as Richard Haass to lead this. Very interesting
:07:58. > :08:03.have somebody as talented as Richard to hear your thoughts tonight. Thank
:08:03. > :08:04.you for joining us tonight live from Washington.
:08:05. > :08:07.you for joining us tonight live from Nancy Soderberg, thank-you. Well, Dr
:08:07. > :08:10.Haass's arrival followed a long, hot summer of protests and violence
:08:10. > :08:13.here. And there were two other events which caught the headlines.
:08:13. > :08:15.Peter Robinson's letter from America which seemed to sound the death
:08:15. > :08:18.Peter Robinson's letter from America knell for the Peace Centre at the
:08:18. > :08:20.Maze Long Kesh site, and the controversial IRA commemoration in
:08:20. > :08:23.Castlederg. Our Political Correspondent investigates some of
:08:23. > :08:36.the challenges currently facing 21st century republicanism.
:08:36. > :08:42.August in Castlederg in County Tyrone, Sinn Fein remember the IRA
:08:42. > :08:47.dead, in particular, to members killed by their own bomb on their
:08:47. > :08:52.way to the town. Angry union is backed by some victims demanded that
:08:52. > :08:56.the event be abandoned or banned. Instead, a message came permission
:08:56. > :09:07.same politician, once at the forefront of the IRA. No MP,
:09:07. > :09:14.counsellor, paramilitary, spokesperson, no mighty how loud
:09:14. > :09:17.they shout will prevent me or any other Republican or comrades who
:09:17. > :09:23.gave their lives in the struggle for Irish freedom and equality! Unionism
:09:23. > :09:30.was on the lips of Gerry Kelly, but some claim that Sinn Fein's mind was
:09:30. > :09:34.elsewhere. His speech was published in the local newspaper which was put
:09:34. > :09:38.through the doors of people in north and west Belfast, a long way from
:09:38. > :09:43.Castlederg, where he said would he was doing and said, we will not
:09:43. > :09:48.forget these people that died and so on and so forth. There will be more
:09:48. > :09:59.actions like this. Dissidents have captured a lot of the support on the
:09:59. > :10:04.ground in places like County Tyrone. This IRA commemoration took place in
:10:04. > :10:09.County Tyrone this month on a Sunday morning. Sinn Fein remembered three
:10:09. > :10:19.IRA men killed by the SAS 25 years ago, just a few hours later, there
:10:19. > :10:25.was a second commemoration. This much larger event was organised, not
:10:25. > :10:29.by Sinn Fein, but by the families of the IRA dead, along with the County
:10:29. > :10:33.Tyrone National braids Association, a nonparty event with no
:10:34. > :10:43.high-profile Sinn Fein said the members president. -- present. No
:10:43. > :10:46.Republicans at the commemoration wanted to appear on camera, but
:10:46. > :10:51.privately, some claimed that they wanted to appear on camera, but
:10:51. > :10:54.believed that Sinn Fein had gone to Castlederg to try and claw back
:10:54. > :11:01.grassroots support, claiming that the party was now too close to the
:11:01. > :11:06.DUP and pursuing a failed strategy. Sinn Fein has no problems here with
:11:06. > :11:10.their reputation, no problems regarding Republican credentials,
:11:10. > :11:15.none whatsoever. And you are reading it wrongly if you go down that path.
:11:15. > :11:20.Sinn Fein is losing support in County Tyrone. We have got three
:11:20. > :11:24.MPs, we have seven MLAs, we are the largest party in the district
:11:24. > :11:26.councils in County Tyrone and Sinn Fein is losing support in County
:11:26. > :11:31.councils in County Tyrone and Sinn Tyrone! I don't think so. A former
:11:31. > :11:33.higher rate hunger striker act Tyrone! I don't think so. A former
:11:33. > :11:36.acknowledges the current Sinn Fein electoral strength but claims there
:11:36. > :11:45.are growing pressures over power-sharing and partition. There
:11:45. > :11:49.are a number of reasons for what they are doing. There is a gland is
:11:49. > :11:58.over the shoulder. The DUP was largely responsible for the flags
:11:58. > :12:04.protest. It is putting down the hardline marker and Sinn Fein feels
:12:04. > :12:14.obliged, naturally enough, to assert their position and claimed the
:12:14. > :12:19.legitimacy. Relations have worsened. Loyalists have turned on police in
:12:19. > :12:23.July over a ban in an Orange march and again in August. This was after
:12:23. > :12:28.several thousand Republicans marched through Belfast. The internment
:12:28. > :12:33.march was not organised by Sinn Fein. Some Republicans taunted the
:12:33. > :12:37.party with a song about the Irish trickle. Take it down from the mast,
:12:37. > :12:44.party with a song about the Irish you traitor, they said. -- Irish
:12:44. > :12:51.tricolour. That song was sung as they went past in West Belfast. They
:12:51. > :12:53.are being flown by people who are disenchanted, supporters of
:12:53. > :13:03.dissidents, but certainly not Sinn Fein. It was given as one reason why
:13:03. > :13:06.Peter Robinson pooled the plug on the peace Centre. This fractured
:13:06. > :13:10.relationship with Martin McGuinness, already frustrated with
:13:11. > :13:15.the DUP leader's failure to stand shoulder to shoulder with him and
:13:15. > :13:18.condemn violence, from loyalists, just as he had done when Republicans
:13:18. > :13:25.kill the lease officer. It was a theme picked up on IOU newness to
:13:25. > :13:32.has been engaging with Sinn Fein. -- I unionist. The challenges are
:13:32. > :13:37.significant, and for Martin McGuinness to use statements about
:13:37. > :13:40.significant, and for Martin traitors is significant. Understood
:13:40. > :13:41.absolutely by the republican movement but completely ignored by
:13:41. > :13:49.the Unionist side. I do send some movement but completely ignored by
:13:49. > :13:53.form of frustration from the Republicans that when they look to
:13:53. > :14:01.leadership from the DUP and the Unionist side, they do not see it
:14:02. > :14:08.coming. It is into this atmosphere that Richard Haass has walked. Some
:14:08. > :14:11.say his success will depend on these leaders solving each other's
:14:11. > :14:19.problems rather than looking over their own shoulders. Gerry Kelly
:14:20. > :14:26.joins me now, along with Jonathan Bell. Gerry Kelly, first of all, it
:14:27. > :14:30.has been a very difficult summer. Not many people would disagree. How
:14:30. > :14:38.concerned are you at the current stand-off between Sinn Fein and the
:14:38. > :14:43.DUP on some of these key issues? I suppose if you put it in the context
:14:43. > :14:47.of the talks with Richard Haass, what happened was there was reneging
:14:47. > :14:50.on an agreement which has been standing for a considerable period
:14:50. > :14:58.of time. It is not first time. There was an agreement which would deal
:14:58. > :15:03.with the three main sports areas, and that was reneged on full I
:15:03. > :15:09.suppose it would have to be said that there is a worry we might come
:15:09. > :15:13.to an agreement, but the tots have not been followed through. That is
:15:13. > :15:17.some of the things that have been said to me. Perhaps you will get an
:15:17. > :15:25.agreement, perhaps you want. That is the reason, as was said earlier,
:15:25. > :15:31.while the Richard Haass part of it is important. We will come onto him
:15:31. > :15:33.in a moment. Is it your view the DUP simply does not understand some of
:15:33. > :15:39.the difficulties you face in Sinn Fein, has not taken the time to work
:15:39. > :15:43.it out, or is deliberately misunderstanding those concerns? You
:15:43. > :15:49.would have to ask. What is your hunch? My view is they are carrying
:15:49. > :15:54.out actions which from an outside point of view is not understandable.
:15:54. > :15:59.We are political parties in power together. We are power-sharing. They
:15:59. > :16:02.need to agree everything. They come to an agreement. Sinn Fein has not
:16:03. > :16:09.pulled out of any of these agreements. It is the Unionists. To
:16:09. > :16:19.be frank, this was already gone well before. It did not help. It became
:16:19. > :16:23.the excuse. What Gerry Kelly has to get is the logic that we will never
:16:23. > :16:31.in the DUP a load of victims to be treated on the same level like the
:16:31. > :16:37.people who make the victims victims. The man you shot in the face is the
:16:37. > :16:44.victim, you are the terrorists. In Cassell Dirk -- in this place, what
:16:44. > :16:46.victim, you are the terrorists. In happened was a grotesque and
:16:46. > :16:53.offensive glorification of terrorism. It sparked the death
:16:53. > :16:58.knell. It was a glorification of terrorism. It was an attempt to make
:16:58. > :17:03.the terrorists the same as the victim makers. Why not ignoring? Why
:17:03. > :17:07.the terrorists the same as the give it so much consideration and
:17:07. > :17:12.why publicly allow yourselves to be seen to be so annoyed by it? Why
:17:12. > :17:18.don't you just get it -- let it get on with it. We will never allow
:17:18. > :17:24.history to be rewritten, terrorists to be put on the same moral plane as
:17:24. > :17:28.their innocent victims. That will not happen under the DUP's watch.
:17:29. > :17:33.You are sitting in government with people who you regard as a terrorist
:17:33. > :17:38.organisation. You are sitting beside one tonight. That is a fact. Gerry
:17:38. > :17:42.was a terrorist. We were very clear one tonight. That is a fact. Gerry
:17:42. > :17:48.that the weapons had to be given up and democratic mandate given up. The
:17:48. > :17:56.real difference tonight is the union has never been stronger. The Belfast
:17:56. > :17:58.Telegraph poll showed us today 97% of people wish to be part of the
:17:58. > :18:03.United Kingdom. It is a huge of people wish to be part of the
:18:03. > :18:08.majority of the Catholic population. My fellow citizens want to be part
:18:08. > :18:11.of the United Kingdom. It is not really what we are talking about. We
:18:11. > :18:15.of the United Kingdom. It is not are talking about the Republican
:18:15. > :18:20.strategy. Gerry has led the position. 97% of Northern Ireland
:18:20. > :18:29.wants to be part of the United Kingdom. How do you respond to what
:18:29. > :18:34.Jonathan Bell had to say? He said they would not allow the victim
:18:34. > :18:36.maker to be the same as the victim. I was asked a number of months ago
:18:36. > :18:41.maker to be the same as the victim. before it happened to go there. I
:18:41. > :18:48.have gone to commemorations and I am proud to go there. I remember
:18:48. > :18:54.comrades who fell in that conflict. Whatever it is seen as, the facts
:18:54. > :19:01.are I do this on a regular basis across Ireland in commemorations
:19:01. > :19:06.which occur throughout the year. In terms of this cliche, this slogan
:19:06. > :19:13.about the victim makers. Were the paratroopers in Vic -- where the
:19:13. > :19:19.paratroopers in Derry victim makers? Where the people who murdered
:19:19. > :19:25.innocent Catholics victim makers? It is this nonsense of trying to
:19:25. > :19:31.defend. There was a conflict, there is a series of combat pants. I am
:19:31. > :19:34.not trying for equivalence. I am remembering to young men who gave up
:19:34. > :19:42.their lives for what they believed in. It is not that I don't
:19:42. > :19:44.understand. I want to move on. It is not that I don't understand their
:19:44. > :19:51.anger, but they need to understand that people suffered on the
:19:51. > :19:59.Republican side and they have no notion of that. I want to ask you,
:19:59. > :20:02.why did we not see Peter Robinson standing side-by-side with Martin
:20:02. > :20:07.McGuinness over the summer condemning loyalist violence? I saw
:20:07. > :20:15.him standing beside Martin McGuinness, today, leading the
:20:15. > :20:20.executive, pointing out that we had 41% extra investment as part of the
:20:20. > :20:25.United Kingdom. The trouble is when your MP for North Belfast was hit on
:20:25. > :20:30.the head by a brick, why was he not standing shoulder to shoulder
:20:30. > :20:36.condemning it? Any form of violence has been wrong. But let us state the
:20:36. > :20:41.facts. Gerry talks about the Roman Catholics being killed. Your IRA
:20:41. > :20:49.killed more Catholics than loyalist. You are missing the point
:20:49. > :20:56.because you are denying that there is any possibility of being able to
:20:56. > :21:02.use your terms of being victim makers on your side. Let me ask you
:21:02. > :21:06.a question about the violence of the summer. Today, we saw a report that
:21:06. > :21:16.retail revenue fell by £55 million partly due to the flags dispute. It
:21:16. > :21:20.has cost traders £15 million. Today, the chief constable told the
:21:20. > :21:27.Department of Justice that the loyalist protest is costing £50,000
:21:27. > :21:29.per day. The DUP want to see cultural respect and tolerance. At
:21:29. > :21:34.that cost? There are other figures. cultural respect and tolerance. At
:21:34. > :21:39.Let us talk about the whole economic picture. The PMI figures that show
:21:39. > :21:47.Let us talk about the whole economic significant economic success. Hang
:21:47. > :21:55.on. Loyalist violence over the summer... I said the violence was
:21:55. > :22:01.wrong. What I said to you is, take the house price index, the fact we
:22:01. > :22:06.have the lowest unemployment in the United Kingdom, lower than the
:22:06. > :22:10.European Union, half what it is in the Republic of Ireland. And you say
:22:10. > :22:16.it doesn't matter? An extra £55,000 per day? We have an increase of
:22:16. > :22:23.foreign investment. Are you seriously sitting there telling
:22:23. > :22:27.me... The Mac are you saying the BBC are not looking at the facts? I am
:22:27. > :22:34.looking at the fact that I want you to and so the question. 80% of the
:22:34. > :22:40.foreign investment... So you're not going to land to Ansa the question?
:22:40. > :22:44.People taken off the claimant count. Why do you not want to talk about
:22:44. > :22:50.those? Because I want to ask you about the cost of loyalist violence
:22:50. > :22:52.to the economy of Northern Ireland and they might be interested that
:22:52. > :22:57.you are not and soaring the question. Do you not think it is at
:22:57. > :23:03.all important that the CBI says that this has got -- this has cost £55
:23:03. > :23:07.million from the flag protest is? What is your message to them if they
:23:07. > :23:13.want to march on Belfast and affect trade? The union flag of the United
:23:13. > :23:23.Kingdom should be flown with dignity and with respect. It was a serious
:23:23. > :23:29.mistake... If you call that dignity and respect... 60% of all the death
:23:29. > :23:37.was caused by Jerry and his comrades, 30% by loyalists, and 10%
:23:37. > :23:40.the state. What about the Richard Haass talks, is there any
:23:40. > :23:44.possibility that they can move the debate forward? We have ended up
:23:44. > :23:48.talking about the past rather than the present. Not even about the
:23:48. > :23:52.talking about the past rather than future at all. Can Richard Haass
:23:52. > :23:57.sort this out in three months? Diane to the questions you ask the. It is
:23:57. > :24:01.Jonathan that does not want to answer the questions. -- you're
:24:01. > :24:07.asked of me. I hope we can make progress. Sinn Fein has come in with
:24:07. > :24:13.a resolution format. Sometimes you need these talks to have an outsider
:24:13. > :24:18.to assist. In the end, we are the ones in partnership with the other
:24:18. > :24:23.parties. There is an executive and we need to come up with the answers.
:24:23. > :24:26.We have shown in the past we are prepared to move forward and
:24:26. > :24:31.appeared to listen and appeared to compromise. We need to live there,
:24:31. > :24:37.-- leave it there, we are out of time. Thank you very much. Let's
:24:37. > :24:43.find out what the regular faces make of what is happening at the new
:24:43. > :24:49.political term. We welcome Rick Wilford and Deirdre Heenan. Good
:24:49. > :24:55.evening. Let's talk about Jonathan Bell and Gerry Kelly's debate.
:24:55. > :25:01.Whether we like it or not it was more about the past than the
:25:01. > :25:06.present. Yes, one feels as though one is not moving on and the
:25:06. > :25:10.paradoxes the talks are beginning, they will last for three months, and
:25:10. > :25:16.one hopes there will be like the end of the tunnel. You mentioned about
:25:16. > :25:20.the weather here. The political weather looks extremely thundery and
:25:20. > :25:24.overcast. It is very difficult to envisage any significant movement on
:25:24. > :25:25.overcast. It is very difficult to all three issues that Richard Haass
:25:25. > :25:30.and his team are looking at. They all three issues that Richard Haass
:25:30. > :25:33.may be able to make some progress on parades but on the flags and the
:25:33. > :25:40.past, that will not be resolved soon. What is interesting is Gerry
:25:40. > :25:43.Kelly and Jonathan Bell are suggesting the other does not
:25:43. > :25:48.understand them. It is the blame game, and people sitting at home
:25:48. > :25:51.will be utterly dismayed. Richard Haass is here to talk about the
:25:51. > :25:56.future, the thorny issues we cannot deal with, and all we talk about is
:25:56. > :26:03.the past. You are to blame, I am to blame, the past. We wanted a clear
:26:03. > :26:06.statement to say that the loyalist violence is utterly unacceptable and
:26:06. > :26:10.any future violence is utterly unacceptable and we did not get
:26:10. > :26:15.that. We did not get any clarification on that issue. We were
:26:15. > :26:21.looking to point the finger of blame. People are utterly turned off
:26:21. > :26:26.by that conversation. Jonathan Bell says very clearly all violence is
:26:26. > :26:28.wrong, but also there is a wider context. You cannot lead people up
:26:28. > :26:32.wrong, but also there is a wider to the top of the hill, leave them
:26:32. > :26:34.standing there and not expect the violence is not going to happen, and
:26:34. > :26:37.the amount of money spent is violence is not going to happen, and
:26:37. > :26:47.something we simply cannot afford at any level. -- spent on policing. We
:26:47. > :26:51.cannot afford that type of protest. Where use a prize we did not see the
:26:51. > :26:53.deputy minister and the first Minister standing shoulder to
:26:53. > :26:57.deputy minister and the first shoulder? It was quite telling. I
:26:57. > :27:06.suspect what is happening in the DUP is some schadenfreude in relation to
:27:06. > :27:09.the fact that Sinn Fein mainstream republicanism is looking over its
:27:09. > :27:12.shoulder at not just the dissidents prepared to use violence but also
:27:12. > :27:18.those who are more intellectual, who would argue that Sinn Fein has
:27:18. > :27:20.brought Republicans together. There is that debate about who are the
:27:20. > :27:24.brought Republicans together. There true keepers of the Republican
:27:24. > :27:29.flame? They need to be careful about what they wish for because one of
:27:29. > :27:32.the things Sinn Fein has going for it at the moment is the leadership,
:27:32. > :27:38.which has street credibility. I suspect that the dissident
:27:38. > :27:42.republican tale is not wagging the Sinn Fein dog as much as the
:27:42. > :27:48.protesters of the flags are wagging the tale of the DUP dog. A word on
:27:48. > :27:50.Nancy Soderberg quickly, she said she was surprised that these issues
:27:50. > :27:52.had not been resolved and Richard she was surprised that these issues
:27:52. > :27:58.Haass is the best America Avenue to offer. I was struck by her opening
:27:58. > :28:00.remark when she said she was offer. I was struck by her opening
:28:00. > :28:04.disappointed that more progress had not been made. She said we just have
:28:04. > :28:07.disappointed that more progress had to move on. She said the US would
:28:07. > :28:14.act as an honest broker. What an act to follow. He is the best America
:28:14. > :28:21.can offer. He is coming in as an honest broker. We are in an arm
:28:21. > :28:25.wrestle and we are stuck. We will tell us to release the arm wrestle
:28:26. > :28:29.and we will move on. I was alarmed when he said he will look at
:28:29. > :28:36.housing, education and the economy. What a task. He has two things, the
:28:36. > :28:43.investment conference, because he can tell the politicians they are
:28:43. > :28:48.investment conference, because he damaging opportunities, and the
:28:48. > :28:53.other is the public. Let us have a quick word about social media. We
:28:53. > :28:58.had the news that the health minister had spent £100,000 on legal
:28:58. > :29:09.challenges to adoption by same-sex couples. Here is a tweet from Martin
:29:09. > :29:18.McAuley. He says... He says he cannot wait until Jim Wells is the
:29:18. > :29:21.health minister. It is notable that the power of social media is being
:29:21. > :29:25.harnessed. It was described as a global village. You can sit in your
:29:25. > :29:29.harnessed. It was described as a house and join the conversation.
:29:29. > :29:32.Some people use it to be witty but there is a serious conversation
:29:32. > :29:35.going on the opposition is appearing through social media. We have to
:29:35. > :29:42.leave it there. We will be back later. That is the view. Here are
:29:42. > :29:49.the thoughts of our new resident philosopher. The man who claims to
:29:49. > :29:52.have the Stormont inside track. How are you doing? I got a new job. I
:29:52. > :29:53.have the Stormont inside track. How wanted to do something where I could
:29:53. > :29:59.help ring future to the people of wanted to do something where I could
:29:59. > :30:05.Northern Ireland, bring them all together. That did not work out so I
:30:05. > :30:12.ended up here. He knows nothing. I have being tried track -- inside
:30:12. > :30:17.track. I have it sorted out. I will thought them and protect them. I
:30:17. > :30:23.will stop violent people coming by like Congregationalists from
:30:23. > :30:28.Ballymun head. What do you reckon? Green or orange. Cannot make my mind
:30:28. > :30:43.up. You are barred! What are you doing here? You know him, he is the
:30:43. > :30:47.new MLA for South Belfast. Nobody in south Belfast voted for him. That is
:30:47. > :30:54.Stormont for you. What a summer we have had. Look at Richard Haass. The
:30:54. > :30:58.American fellow. He came over here to tell us to wind our necks in. Has
:30:58. > :31:03.only been here three days and already his head is melting. He
:31:03. > :31:04.wants a wee holiday. The good people of Ulster have organised something
:31:04. > :31:07.wants a wee holiday. The good people for him. A weekend break in a
:31:07. > :31:13.caravan. If he thinks politicians for him. A weekend break in a
:31:13. > :31:21.are bad wait till he has to -- have to listen to the sash. Things to do.
:31:21. > :31:26.This paper is not going to read itself. We will have another insider
:31:27. > :31:32.take on the programme next time. That is it for tonight, and will be
:31:32. > :31:34.continuing the debate on twitter. Join us on there. I will be here on
:31:35. > :31:36.Sunday. Goodbye.