:00:00. > :00:35.for Casement - has the GAA done enough for residents living in the
:00:36. > :00:40.shadow of its planned new stadium? Perhaps there are things we could
:00:41. > :00:43.have done better. We ask the Sports Minister, Caral Ni
:00:44. > :00:47.Chuilin, for her view on the way forward.
:00:48. > :00:51.Also on the programme: Ross Kemp's Extreme World documentary showed the
:00:52. > :00:54.worst of last year's long hot summer - so what sort of impact do images
:00:55. > :00:56.like these have outside Northern Ireland?
:00:57. > :00:59.And here to share their thoughts on all of that and more are our
:01:00. > :01:04.commentators, Professors Deirdre Heenan and Rick Wilford.
:01:05. > :01:13.And you can, of course, let us know what you think on Twitter.
:01:14. > :01:16.A leading GAA official has told The View the organisation could have
:01:17. > :01:23.done more to engage with residents opposed to the building of its new
:01:24. > :01:25.?75 million stadium in West Belfast. Although it's already received
:01:26. > :01:28.planning permission, residents are considering legal action which could
:01:29. > :01:46.threaten the project - as Gareth Gordon has been finding out.
:01:47. > :01:51.The sounds of summer will be no more in this Casement Park. Empty now
:01:52. > :02:02.except for the work men stripping everything worth saving. But soon
:02:03. > :02:07.Casement Park will be reborn. ?75 million worth of brand-new stadium.
:02:08. > :02:18.They, modern stop I good thing surely. It depends on who you ask?
:02:19. > :02:24.It is an imaginable what this will look like. This man will live in the
:02:25. > :02:30.shadow of the new stadium when it is built. The politicians are in
:02:31. > :02:37.agreement that this is the right thing to do. We have been sacrificed
:02:38. > :02:45.for the greater good, so to speak. You will be a way of the phrase, not
:02:46. > :02:51.in my backyard this is assuming rights issue.
:02:52. > :02:57.This is a justice issue. We need to have our rights upheld. Casement
:02:58. > :03:04.Park is surrounded on three sides by housing. It is OK in its current low
:03:05. > :03:15.rise estate, but perhaps not so when it re-emerges as a towering 38,000
:03:16. > :03:25.seat stadium. You do not care at all. We have not been told that this
:03:26. > :03:35.is happening stop this person has invited the planning minister to
:03:36. > :03:49.visit her home. We are not a statistic. This is our life. As yet
:03:50. > :03:57.we have had no answer. We are so angry about all that.
:03:58. > :04:02.Concerns here centre on this gateway at the rear of the ground. As far as
:04:03. > :04:08.I know they plan to extend this gateway. Initially when we went to
:04:09. > :04:13.the consultation meetings we were told that the exit would only be
:04:14. > :04:16.used for emergency evacuation and that has not turned out to be the
:04:17. > :04:23.case. There will be people exiting here. Also because there is a waste
:04:24. > :04:27.compound within the corner people will be driving waste disposal
:04:28. > :04:34.lorries to take away skips off whatever. There will be maintenance
:04:35. > :04:38.vehicles. And if concerts go ahead we will be told that the lorries
:04:39. > :04:45.that will be coming to set up will be using this as access. At night
:04:46. > :04:50.there are ten or 12 cars parked. It is a narrow street. There are young
:04:51. > :04:54.children. We just feel that our health and safety will be
:04:55. > :04:59.compromise. Mark Durkin says he understands the
:05:00. > :05:09.fears. So do his party representatives. We stand with the
:05:10. > :05:17.citizens. We want to take this issue forward. There are issues that are
:05:18. > :05:23.still outstanding. The people who have the greatest responsibility are
:05:24. > :05:34.the GAA. It is beer project. Bat-macro it is their project we put
:05:35. > :05:42.that to the GAA official. There are things you could always do
:05:43. > :05:48.better. We could have done better in terms of engagement with the
:05:49. > :05:56.residents. But the GAA have been transparent and open. We have not
:05:57. > :06:01.$300. We have had a three-week consultation process. We went above
:06:02. > :06:07.and beyond what we had to do because it was the right thing to do. It is
:06:08. > :06:13.a matter of deep regret that we have members of the GAA live locally who
:06:14. > :06:19.are opposed to this. I can assure them that GAA will do its best to
:06:20. > :06:23.alleviate their concerns. What would you have done
:06:24. > :06:28.differently? We would have spread the net wider. We would have ensured
:06:29. > :06:40.there were updates directly from the GAA. That makes other alleviate that
:06:41. > :06:43.some of the misinformation. Not only are they admitting they got some
:06:44. > :06:48.things wrong, I understand the GAA is currently rethinking its in tyre
:06:49. > :07:03.strategy where it might offer to buy some of their residence houses. --
:07:04. > :07:10.rethinking its entire strategy. I do not think we could continue
:07:11. > :07:15.living here. Earlier I spoke to Caral Ni Chuilin.
:07:16. > :07:36.I asked F the GAA could have done a better job. -- I asked her if the
:07:37. > :07:43.GAA could have done a better job. Maybe in hindsight he could have
:07:44. > :07:51.done things differently. I am more than happy with the consultation the
:07:52. > :08:02.GAA dead. We need to build from here on in on what we could do better. As
:08:03. > :08:15.long as the concerns are reasonable we need to try and meet some of
:08:16. > :08:19.those concerns stop. It is always good to hold your hands
:08:20. > :08:25.up if you can't do things differently. How can we make sure
:08:26. > :08:42.that people will get round the table to get issues resolved? I am glad
:08:43. > :08:56.that there is an attempt to meet and discuss the concerns. What more
:08:57. > :09:04.light can you shed on that meeting that? Clearly the residents are not
:09:05. > :09:17.happy. And meeting has been brokered. When will it happen? I
:09:18. > :09:22.think the meeting will happen soon. I think it will be open enough that
:09:23. > :09:34.people will talk about the concerns they have. Should the development
:09:35. > :09:42.continue at this stage? Should the pause button be pressed? I have not
:09:43. > :09:56.heard the residents say that they do not want the GAA facility not to be
:09:57. > :10:06.in West Belfast. I have a Government commitment that I am determined to
:10:07. > :10:16.meet. At the moment we have an eyesore. Now this respect to the
:10:17. > :10:23.GAA. It needs an upgrade. We are investing a lot of money into an
:10:24. > :10:30.area that has not seen investment. We are in providing employment.
:10:31. > :10:36.There is loads of things that we can do. I am not seeing if this does not
:10:37. > :10:58.happen it is the fault of the resident. Is it possible that this
:10:59. > :11:08.will not happen? It will happen. I still have to go ahead with the
:11:09. > :11:11.stadium. Are you saying there is no point in the residents consulting
:11:12. > :11:17.gives you will spend the money anyway? Is there a serious
:11:18. > :11:22.conversation going to be had between yourselves and the GAA to change the
:11:23. > :11:26.plans as they are currently drawn up in terms of this deal of the
:11:27. > :11:40.building and in terms of the numbers involved? Planning permission was
:11:41. > :11:48.granted in December. I think the GAA and the residents will get round the
:11:49. > :11:58.table to discuss a resolution. I do not think we will steal this down
:11:59. > :12:05.stop. Have you spoken to your colleague about this? Mark and I
:12:06. > :12:17.were at Casement Park the day the planning permission was announced.
:12:18. > :12:22.The residents are very angry. That is for everyone to see. The minister
:12:23. > :12:27.has put down conditions, that is being looked at by the design team.
:12:28. > :12:32.There are still opportunities, where people are reasonable, and people
:12:33. > :12:39.are asking for things to be done in a reasonable way to get resolution.
:12:40. > :12:44.The residents spoke about concerns on axis, health and, loss of light
:12:45. > :12:49.in their homes, it is the scale of the project that worries them. The
:12:50. > :12:53.GAA said there might only be half a dozen occasions in the year where
:12:54. > :12:58.the stadium is full, so why is a stadium with the capacity of 38,000
:12:59. > :13:05.seats being built when Ravenhill and Windsor Park are being developed
:13:06. > :13:08.with the capacity of 18,000 each? Ravenhill, because of the nature of
:13:09. > :13:16.the league, more games are probably played there, so with the solidity
:13:17. > :13:19.is being divided, the capacity has increased. There is a field of
:13:20. > :13:26.dreams aspect, build it and they will come. Is this a good way to
:13:27. > :13:31.spend public money? Surely there must be a robust business case.
:13:32. > :13:41.There must be a justification for 38,000 seat. There is a robust
:13:42. > :13:46.case. This was agreed before I came into my post. There will be at least
:13:47. > :13:50.five championship games per year. The locals are concerned that maybe
:13:51. > :13:54.this business case which they have not been allowed to see at this
:13:55. > :13:57.stage, involves a lot of concerts, with a bigger capacity that would
:13:58. > :14:01.have a great bearing on the quality of their lives in and around the
:14:02. > :14:06.development. That is what they think as part of the plan, but they
:14:07. > :14:10.haven't been formally told that. I am investing as the Minister for
:14:11. > :14:14.sport and sports facilities, the sports facilities and the governing
:14:15. > :14:20.bodies need to make sure they have a good return for public money. I am
:14:21. > :14:25.developing a stadium for sport, not for comments. It has been made clear
:14:26. > :14:28.that this is primarily for the playing of GAA sports, but he would
:14:29. > :14:33.not rule out the possibility that there might be concerts. Do you
:14:34. > :14:38.think there could be significant numbers of concerts there are? I'm
:14:39. > :14:42.not convinced at this stage it would be significant numbers of concerts,
:14:43. > :14:47.but whatever happens, it is primarily for sporting activities,
:14:48. > :14:54.it will not be more than 38,000. Your party is in a predicament, it
:14:55. > :14:58.holds five out of six of the Stormont seat, it has a Westminster
:14:59. > :15:01.seat, there is an argument that Sinn Fein has failed its constituents in
:15:02. > :15:05.the way that this project has been handled, because a lot of them are
:15:06. > :15:11.unhappy about the development and its current format, and they feel
:15:12. > :15:15.let down. And I regret that, but I have heard from other constituents
:15:16. > :15:20.in west Belfast to going to the banks and credit unions to get a
:15:21. > :15:23.loan to send their family to America and Australia. It is a balancing
:15:24. > :15:27.act, they do not want that to happen any more, they want employment
:15:28. > :15:34.opportunities for their family in that area, in their area, and that
:15:35. > :15:37.is right they are entitled to. Do you think this will be resolved in
:15:38. > :15:44.the near future and it can develop with everyone's backing, because at
:15:45. > :15:46.the moment, there could be a judicial review sought by the by the
:15:47. > :15:52.residents, that would hold it up, would you be concerned about that?
:15:53. > :15:57.It could, and I would be concerned, and it is important that we get this
:15:58. > :16:04.resolved in a reasonable and practical way and move ahead as best
:16:05. > :16:11.as possible. So you are confident that things could start in the
:16:12. > :16:16.spring as planned? Yes, it could be done early in spring. The Sports
:16:17. > :16:19.Minister, Caral Ni Chuilin, speaking to me earlier. Now, rioting,
:16:20. > :16:22.protests and violence on our streets. Unfortunately we're used to
:16:23. > :16:25.seeing it on our TV screens here, but this week those pictures
:16:26. > :16:28.travelled much further afield. The actor turned journalist Ross Kemp
:16:29. > :16:31.visited Northern Ireland last July at the height of the parades season,
:16:32. > :16:35.and his Extreme World programme was broadcast on Tuesday night. But what
:16:36. > :16:38.sort of message did it send out? And have we the right to complain if it
:16:39. > :16:42.simply highlighted the problems that continue to spill onto our streets?
:16:43. > :16:45.I'm joined in the studio by the East Belfast MP, Naomi Long, and from
:16:46. > :16:53.London by the Independent's Travel Editor, Simon Calder, who spends a
:16:54. > :16:55.lot of time here. Welcome to the programme, Simon,
:16:56. > :17:02.firstly, what did you make of this programme? I really enjoyed it as a
:17:03. > :17:07.piece of television, Ross Kemp is very likeable, I enjoyed his
:17:08. > :17:13.commentary on it, but I felt that I was watching something from maybe 20
:17:14. > :17:16.years ago, and what worries me is that, while people who are regular
:17:17. > :17:20.visitors, and I'm lucky enough to be one, they will think, gosh they must
:17:21. > :17:26.have worked very hard to get quite so much grim looking footage. I'm
:17:27. > :17:30.concerned that perhaps people in Britain will be looking at those and
:17:31. > :17:36.thinking, Ho, they are still at it, good this week, and just some of the
:17:37. > :17:38.lines in the commentary were very misleading. He says there is
:17:39. > :17:43.evidence everywhere of the continuing conflict, about how much
:17:44. > :17:49.worse things are getting, but there is not. I go to holidays on Northern
:17:50. > :17:54.Ireland, and if there was evidence of continuing conflict, then I
:17:55. > :17:59.wouldn't go on holidays there. Not a fairer reflection of life here,
:18:00. > :18:07.you're saying? Well, you need to look at the title, it is containing
:18:08. > :18:11.the word extreme in the title, he came to Northern Ireland and found
:18:12. > :18:16.extremist quite successfully. I do not think anyone that knows Northern
:18:17. > :18:21.Ireland will pay much attention to it. It was full of some mysteries, I
:18:22. > :18:25.felt, it was never explained, for example, that the taxi driver who
:18:26. > :18:30.was driving into the piece was and explaining the years of conflict was
:18:31. > :18:38.somebody who does taxi Tours. -- driving him to the peace wall.
:18:39. > :18:42.Another thing which I was watching, I wonder if the police service work,
:18:43. > :18:52.he did not have a seat belt on the back of the taxi! Leaving aside the
:18:53. > :18:56.health and the issues, do you think it was damaging to Northern Ireland?
:18:57. > :19:02.If you were watching that across the water and you did not know this
:19:03. > :19:05.place, what would you make of it? I think it was damaging in terms of
:19:06. > :19:09.the perception for people that do not know Northern Ireland, the
:19:10. > :19:13.question is, is it reflected of Northern Ireland of today, and no,
:19:14. > :19:20.it is not. It did reflect that it was like last summer in those places
:19:21. > :19:24.where he was, and if you hold up a mirror and you do not like what you
:19:25. > :19:29.see, it is not the fault of the mirror. We provide that footage for
:19:30. > :19:36.people to see. These were real events, he did not make it up. No,
:19:37. > :19:41.he did not invent it, it was sensational, what happened last
:19:42. > :19:44.summer was quite serious. It was striking, his sense of shock, that
:19:45. > :19:48.these things were happening in Northern Ireland and they did not
:19:49. > :19:51.make national news. It was particularly striking when the bomb
:19:52. > :19:56.squad came to disarm the device. He said of this was happening in any
:19:57. > :20:01.city in Great Britain, this would be national news, but here, it is just
:20:02. > :20:05.another day. That betrays the sense of frustration that I have had for a
:20:06. > :20:08.long time, that there is a sense of violence that is acceptable in
:20:09. > :20:11.Northern Ireland, that we work around it and we put up with that,
:20:12. > :20:15.but it should not be acceptable, and it is only when you see the shock
:20:16. > :20:19.from someone like Ross Kemp who is useful to extreme things, that we
:20:20. > :20:25.see how much work still needs to be done to fix this. Whether this may
:20:26. > :20:30.be a small group and whether or not they are representative of broader
:20:31. > :20:35.society, seven months on, the stand-off continues, and those
:20:36. > :20:39.people have not gone away. Absolutely, and what is more
:20:40. > :20:44.worrying, even though it is a small and I would argue, on representative
:20:45. > :20:46.group of people in the programme, they are to some degree dictating
:20:47. > :20:50.the pace of political change in Northern Ireland. It seems they are
:20:51. > :20:53.the people that directs, particularly in unionism, how
:20:54. > :20:59.quickly we can move, how much agreement and progress can be made.
:21:00. > :21:02.The group does not need to be hugely representative to have a
:21:03. > :21:06.disproportionate impact, I do think the visuals in the programme and the
:21:07. > :21:09.impact it will have on people that are not familiar with the situation
:21:10. > :21:14.will also have a disproportionate impact. I can only look at this from
:21:15. > :21:18.someone that has travelled abroad myself, and I remember being in
:21:19. > :21:21.Bolivia in South America and was trouble in the city where we were
:21:22. > :21:28.meant to go to, and I was born in bread in trouble here as a young
:21:29. > :21:33.person, and I did not go to that city, because I did not know what to
:21:34. > :21:38.expect. But we have to do with the issues rather than castigate the
:21:39. > :21:43.programme makers. What Ross Kemp was portraying on the programme flies in
:21:44. > :21:46.the face of the work done by the tourism board to promote Northern
:21:47. > :21:52.Ireland. What Naomi Long is saying, would it dissuade people from
:21:53. > :21:56.actually coming here? They're well, I'm afraid, be a certain proportion
:21:57. > :21:59.of the population who might be thinking, Northern Ireland, yes, not
:22:00. > :22:05.heard much from their recently, and why don't we give it a go? Something
:22:06. > :22:10.I am very aware of is that compared with pretty much every other region
:22:11. > :22:15.in Europe, Northern Ireland gets far less tourism than it should do,
:22:16. > :22:19.given the enormous range of attractions, everything from Titanic
:22:20. > :22:26.Belfast to the County Antrim coast, marvellous things to do, and far few
:22:27. > :22:30.people going to see it. And of course, people are gradually
:22:31. > :22:33.realising, there is a lot going on, and there we were talking about
:22:34. > :22:40.Bolivia, whether our lots of places in Bolivia that you would happily go
:22:41. > :22:43.to, and in the tourism mainstream in Northern Ireland, and I'm lucky
:22:44. > :22:50.enough to go on holiday frequency in Northern Ireland, you simply do not
:22:51. > :22:54.see any signs of sectarianism policy particularly want to go to the Falls
:22:55. > :23:00.Road on the Shankill Road which is a very interesting political
:23:01. > :23:03.education. It does concern me. There are things in the programme, it was
:23:04. > :23:08.trying to up the tension by blurring out pretty much everything, even the
:23:09. > :23:14.rental car that he was driving around in had the number plate
:23:15. > :23:18.blurred out. There were lines were I thought, what is all this about? He
:23:19. > :23:22.was talking about Derry/ Londonderry, walking around here,
:23:23. > :23:28.you could be in the South of France and I thought, crikey, that is not
:23:29. > :23:34.the County Derry I remember! Do you think he was stretching it? ! Yes,
:23:35. > :23:38.but a good, entertaining programme, and that is the worrying thing. It
:23:39. > :23:42.would be good if Northern Ireland can confront those things and say,
:23:43. > :23:46.yes, these things did happen, and yes, it was made all the more
:23:47. > :23:52.exciting for the viewers of sky one, but we cannot escape the fact that
:23:53. > :23:57.these events took place, even though there wasn't a tourist for five
:23:58. > :24:03.miles. And I hope that perhaps is things can improve as a result of
:24:04. > :24:12.it. Finally, Simon, subtitles necessary or not? Oh, no, I thought,
:24:13. > :24:18.what am I watching here, this is not Bolivia expect then I realised it
:24:19. > :24:22.was Belfast. Politics in Northern Ireland, they look impenetrable to a
:24:23. > :24:25.lot of people from outside, did this simply prompt a lot of people to
:24:26. > :24:28.shrug their shoulders and say, pagan on all their houses, I do not have
:24:29. > :24:32.the first notion of what is happening politically in Northern
:24:33. > :24:37.Ireland and I do not care, I do not want to try to work it out? That
:24:38. > :24:41.might be true for MPs in Westminster and a lot of people in Northern
:24:42. > :24:43.Ireland to feel the same way watching those programmes. The
:24:44. > :24:48.resistance of despair of history repeating itself and people are wary
:24:49. > :24:54.of that. It is also true with Simon says, there are many, many positive
:24:55. > :24:58.things of Northern Ireland, we want to grow tourism and sent Belfast as
:24:59. > :25:03.it best. We do not want one programme to cover all of that. If
:25:04. > :25:07.you want to do that to its full potential, we have to deal with
:25:08. > :25:12.underlying issues and instability is because they are a drag on society
:25:13. > :25:18.and they stop us moving forward and create economic uncertainty and
:25:19. > :25:25.political uncertainty. When you are offended by the subtitles? I was not
:25:26. > :25:29.offended, but I did not think they were really needed, but I think
:25:30. > :25:36.sometimes people get over sensitive. I was fine with it, but then, I am
:25:37. > :25:43.from Belfast! Thank you. Letters hear what our commentators make of
:25:44. > :25:49.the discussions tonight. They are quiet springs, as ever! Good evening
:25:50. > :25:56.to you both. Let's talk about casement park, firstly. Is it
:25:57. > :26:01.awkward for the GAA and the Minister that the local residents are
:26:02. > :26:05.unhappy? It is awkward to have a row in their own backyard, but it is
:26:06. > :26:08.understandable that people are sensitive about something being
:26:09. > :26:12.built in the vicinity of their own homes and creating uncertainty, but
:26:13. > :26:14.it is unfortunate that many people have written tirelessly on this
:26:15. > :26:19.project and have seen through a vision and a blueprint and have
:26:20. > :26:22.taken it through Northern Ireland bureaucracy, which is quite an
:26:23. > :26:26.achievement in itself, and then to he had been torpedoed by a group of
:26:27. > :26:31.residents... They should be listened to, but it is important that the GAA
:26:32. > :26:34.would be flexible and buy up some of those homes, but it would be a shame
:26:35. > :26:40.if the project did not go ahead when we have gotten this far. What about
:26:41. > :26:43.the politics of it, it was an SDLP person that gave the planning
:26:44. > :26:47.permission and it was a Sinn Fein minister on the programme tonight
:26:48. > :26:55.drawing criticism from residents, it is quite an interesting situation?
:26:56. > :27:07.It is a family squabble within a wider political family. Whether it
:27:08. > :27:20.will play out electorally I doubt. The immediate impact is on very few
:27:21. > :27:30.residents. It is unfortunate. It is going to be a jewel in the crown for
:27:31. > :27:35.GAA. That may come unstuck because there will be a legal challenge. Let
:27:36. > :27:45.us move on to the Ross Kemp documentary. Was it an unfair
:27:46. > :27:53.representation? The clue was in the title. He came here to be
:27:54. > :27:58.sensationalist. This was not staged. This is happening. It is damaging.
:27:59. > :28:03.But it is compelling to see that this is how we argued in other
:28:04. > :28:08.regions of the UK. The fact that we had to have subtitles as an
:28:09. > :28:17.indicator of how Northern Ireland is viewed in other parts of the UK. Of
:28:18. > :28:22.course there was no context and there was no subtleties. This does
:28:23. > :28:30.not reflect life in Northern Ireland. It will not be used by the
:28:31. > :28:38.tourist board in Northern Ireland. It was interesting when he smiled at
:28:39. > :28:53.the end and said it cost ?25 million to police the riots, as if we have
:28:54. > :29:00.not got that ourselves. Simon Calder was right. It will detail some
:29:01. > :29:10.people from coming over. But it will be short term. But can the 12th
:29:11. > :29:16.again this year we are likely to see similar events. It is a chronic
:29:17. > :29:21.issue. What needs to be addressed are the underlying causes. It does
:29:22. > :29:32.not do as any good. It was tabloid television. That is what it was
:29:33. > :29:42.meant to be. People will have a passing interest. It only had 2000
:29:43. > :29:57.hits on YouTube. It has not gone viral. Nobody likes to have their
:29:58. > :29:58.dirty linen in public. There were some interesting comments on social
:29:59. > :30:24.media. stretching credibility. That was a
:30:25. > :30:54.positive spin on things. grip would feel. Maybe that is what
:30:55. > :31:02.we need. Banging heads together. Diplomatic banging of heads
:31:03. > :31:11.together. The British Government and the Irish Government should be more
:31:12. > :31:20.hands-on. It is time for that. If our own political leaders are not
:31:21. > :31:29.providing leadership. The Battle of Wills between the
:31:30. > :31:39.education Minister and the TUV reader. That was intriguing? It
:31:40. > :32:03.touches on issues of protocol. What Jim Allister don't was he went and.
:32:04. > :32:10.That was how they used to act. The ombudsman found in favour, saying
:32:11. > :32:23.the response should have been more direct and more prompt. It is
:32:24. > :32:33.indicative of the antipathy. It seems very childish. Is this
:32:34. > :32:41.really a we to behave when you are an elected representative? Jim
:32:42. > :32:47.Allister will not change the way things are done. And John O'Dowd
:32:48. > :32:53.says there is no apology. Interesting nonetheless. Thank you.
:32:54. > :32:57.That is all for now. That's it from The View for this week. I'll be back
:32:58. > :33:01.with live coverage of Gerry Adams' speech to the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis on
:33:02. > :33:05.Saturday night at eight o'clock on BBC Two - and Sunday Politics is at
:33:06. > :33:45.11.35 here on BBC One. For now, though, bye bye.
:33:46. > :33:53.be apologising. He refuses to engage with me I letter. It should have
:33:54. > :33:59.been dealt with in a more mature fashion.