:00:00. > :00:24.And that's it for now. Good night. Hello and welcome to The View.
:00:25. > :00:28.Tonight: The controversy that won't go away, as the row over OTRs takes
:00:29. > :00:39.another twist. What about those coping with the fallout? I want my
:00:40. > :00:45.day in court. I want to look the person that murdered my father the
:00:46. > :00:48.eye. I'll be asking politicians why a
:00:49. > :00:51.judge-led inquiry isn't enough for a Westminster committee. And where
:00:52. > :00:53.does the political row leave victims and survivors?
:00:54. > :00:56.Also tonight: A century after the suffragettes, men still rule the
:00:57. > :00:59.political roost. Is it time for parties to discriminate in favour of
:01:00. > :01:03.women? I'll be joined by MPs Naomi Long and Michelle Gildernew.
:01:04. > :01:06.And with their views on all of that and more, in Commentators' Corner
:01:07. > :01:09.tonight are Paul McFadden and Alex Kane.
:01:10. > :01:16.And, as ever, you can join the debate on Twitter - that's
:01:17. > :01:20.@BBCtheview. Tonight there's another twist in the
:01:21. > :01:24.row over letters sent to suspected On The Run republicans. The Ulster
:01:25. > :01:28.Unionist MLA Danny Kinahan has claimed that an individual in
:01:29. > :01:31.Northern Ireland is using an On The Run letter which, as in the John
:01:32. > :01:36.Downey case, has been sent by mistake. The letters issue has
:01:37. > :01:38.divided victims and comes after the Policing Board, the Government, the
:01:39. > :01:41.Northern Ireland Select Committee and now the Justice Committee have
:01:42. > :01:53.all announced they are investigating the affair. Stephen Walker reports.
:01:54. > :01:59.Over 200 of these letters are in circulation. Some came from the
:02:00. > :02:07.Northern Ireland office, others by Downing Street. # by Tony Blair's
:02:08. > :02:16.chief of staff. John Downey was sent one in error. Now there is fear is
:02:17. > :02:21.this is not an isolated case. Danny Kinahan was a friend of one of those
:02:22. > :02:26.killed in the Hyde Park bomb. He claims another letter has been
:02:27. > :02:32.sent by mistake. There may be at least one letter that has been
:02:33. > :02:41.issued wrongly in northern Ireland. It may be that that letter has been
:02:42. > :02:47.used to stop prosecution or in defence of someone in a criminal
:02:48. > :02:55.court in Northern Ireland. Do we know every case of every letter?
:02:56. > :03:05.Does the Justice Minister Noel? -- does the Justice Minister Noel?
:03:06. > :03:14.Are there live cases where people are trying to rely on a OTR letter?
:03:15. > :03:18.I do not know. I want nothing to do with the scheme. Is it possible that
:03:19. > :03:24.someone going through the system at the moment may be relying on a OTR
:03:25. > :03:29.letter? It is possible, but ask the Northern Ireland office, do not ask
:03:30. > :03:34.the Department of Justice. Ulster Unionist Party now tabled questions
:03:35. > :03:37.on this issue. A spokesperson for the Director of Public Prosecutions
:03:38. > :03:42.said it would not be appropriate to comment because they are On The Run
:03:43. > :03:52.scheme is now subject to a public inquiry.
:03:53. > :03:59.The letters row has divided the victims and created tensions in
:04:00. > :04:08.victims groups. Last week there was a resignation
:04:09. > :04:24.from the victim 's forum. If you are innocent why are you On
:04:25. > :04:32.The Run? I know I have not done anything wrong. Therefore I do not
:04:33. > :04:39.need a letter. It is ironic that we have had talks of dirty deals and
:04:40. > :04:55.dirty peace. The letters row has shone the
:04:56. > :05:03.spotlight. What happened is in the past and I
:05:04. > :05:08.do not believe there will be prosecutions for a number of
:05:09. > :05:11.reasons. Mainly pragmatic and legalistic reasons. That does not
:05:12. > :05:17.take away from the pain that people are suffering. I cannot say that
:05:18. > :05:27.enough. I do not want to trivialise that pain. But I do not believe it
:05:28. > :05:33.will happen. It is time that society mature enough to embrace that word
:05:34. > :05:43.sorry and to clear the decks completely once and for all.
:05:44. > :05:49.This man was shot and killed by the Army in 1971. His Dr thinks those
:05:50. > :05:54.responsible must be pursued. I want my day in court. I want to
:05:55. > :06:04.look the person that murdered my father in the eye and as them why
:06:05. > :06:09.and as a man was murdered. -- and ask them why an innocent man was
:06:10. > :06:22.murdered. Has the fallout from the John Downey
:06:23. > :06:27.case change things? The difficulty has been the heat and
:06:28. > :06:35.the noise around these discussions. For victims reading shock headlines
:06:36. > :06:42.about amnesties is highly irresponsible. That's not what they
:06:43. > :06:47.are at all. This road has done more than divide opinion. There have been
:06:48. > :06:52.threats of resignation. A series of inquiries. Our political blame game
:06:53. > :06:56.about who knew what and when. The letters may be all about our past,
:06:57. > :07:00.but their content is dominating the present.
:07:01. > :07:02.I'm joined in the studio by the Victims' Commissioner, Kathryn
:07:03. > :07:08.Stone, and the Ulster Unionist MLA, Tom Elliott - and from London by the
:07:09. > :07:11.DUP's Ian Paisley. Your party colleague Danny Kinahan
:07:12. > :07:20.has raised this issue of another error involving these OTR letters.
:07:21. > :07:24.How concerned are you? Everyday is bringing something new in this
:07:25. > :07:31.debate. It is important that we get to the bottom of it. It is important
:07:32. > :07:41.that we every opportunity to try to speak to the Public prosecution
:07:42. > :07:46.service. And indeed the secretary for the Department of Justice. The
:07:47. > :07:51.UK Government have a lot to answer in this and we need to hear from
:07:52. > :08:03.them. Whatever inquiries are required must take place. It is key
:08:04. > :08:08.that the Secretary of State apologises to the victims. It is the
:08:09. > :08:14.victims that have been at the wrong end of this situation. She must
:08:15. > :08:22.apologise to the victims on behalf of the UK Government. You are a
:08:23. > :08:27.member of the Justice Committee. What kind of investigation do you
:08:28. > :08:40.want to have in your committee? We want to talk to people locally to
:08:41. > :08:46.see what involvement was. Why not leave it to the Select Committee or
:08:47. > :08:50.the judge let inquiry? We want to take evidence from these people
:08:51. > :08:54.locally, particularly the Minister of Justice and his permanent
:08:55. > :09:01.secretary. But he does not know anything about it.
:09:02. > :09:08.We need to hear from them. There may be information that is helpful to
:09:09. > :09:12.the victims. Ian Paisley, your party says it is
:09:13. > :09:16.happy with the judge let inquiry, but your Select Committee at
:09:17. > :09:22.Westminster says it needs to have its own investigation. It is not a
:09:23. > :09:28.question of either or. On Saturday of last week the party leader said
:09:29. > :09:31.that he wanted all of these inquiries including a Select
:09:32. > :09:36.Committee inquiry. I welcome the fact that we have managed to achieve
:09:37. > :09:44.a judge let inquiry and a Select Committee inquiry. I understand the
:09:45. > :09:48.Policing Board is also conducting this. We are getting the spotlight
:09:49. > :09:56.being shared into every single book and cranny so as we can get truth
:09:57. > :10:16.and transparency. If you get those things you will have made process --
:10:17. > :10:22.progress. This judge let inquiry will report
:10:23. > :10:29.before May. Our inquiry will be longer. Because it is not enough. It
:10:30. > :10:34.is not what Peter Robinson asked for. That is not true. Let us put
:10:35. > :10:42.this in the context of British politics. The investigation into the
:10:43. > :10:48.murder of Stephen Lawrence has taken 18 years to get a judge let inquiry.
:10:49. > :10:54.It took my party 48 hours to get a judge led inquiry. That shows that
:10:55. > :11:04.my party is making progress on this issue. We will use every institution
:11:05. > :11:12.to our advantage and to the advantage of all. Today we had the
:11:13. > :11:18.announcement of a public inquiry into the killing of Stephen
:11:19. > :11:22.Lawrence. That is not what Peter Robinson got. That tells us that
:11:23. > :11:30.when the Prime Minister wants to have a public inquiry he will
:11:31. > :11:37.announce it. You should stop dancing on the head of this particular
:11:38. > :11:43.needle. You are hurting the victims. Unionism is coming onto a single
:11:44. > :11:46.page. Even my old adverse of these are congratulating myself it
:11:47. > :11:52.committee for doing this. I welcome that. This is now moving to
:11:53. > :11:59.searching for truth and transparency. The Secretary of State
:12:00. > :12:09.will make it clear tonight that this scheme is now over. The note given
:12:10. > :12:17.is gone. What those On The Run or Mac have in their pocket is add
:12:18. > :12:25.beaten docket. They cannot count on those letters any more. We are
:12:26. > :12:28.coming after them. We thought there were five outstanding cases and we
:12:29. > :12:31.heard today there are six. Every time we think we know what's
:12:32. > :12:39.happening, something emerges to we didn't know the full story. You're
:12:40. > :12:42.making my case, that's why we need this enquiry. Our enquiry is dealing
:12:43. > :12:47.with 12 terms of reference, which will go into things in the past,
:12:48. > :12:51.things current, things we believe that will occur in the future and
:12:52. > :12:54.why we need to look at those issues. Tom is right, this is a changing
:12:55. > :12:58.feast because we've started to uncover and look under the stones.
:12:59. > :13:05.What is calling out is not at all pretty. How do you know that the
:13:06. > :13:11.letters aren't worth the paper they are written on? Last week when I
:13:12. > :13:15.asked the attorney general in the house, had this established case
:13:16. > :13:22.law? He made it clear he didn't believe it had because it was an
:13:23. > :13:28.error in procedure. That is what had occurred in the Downey case. What we
:13:29. > :13:32.now have is no longer promised notes given, but an indication that the
:13:33. > :13:35.promise given has been broken. That changes the goalposts considerably.
:13:36. > :13:39.It means the lawyers and the courts will have to take that into
:13:40. > :13:46.consideration. The government has said the scheme is over. I will come
:13:47. > :13:51.back to you in a second. I will hear from Katherine Stone in a second.
:13:52. > :13:54.Ian Paisley Jr says he's glad that you've agreed with him and are on
:13:55. > :13:59.the same page as him tonight. Is that where you are, because you've
:14:00. > :14:03.said you think the DUP has been entirely outmanoeuvred by the select
:14:04. > :14:09.committee at Westminster, you can't have it both ways? I think Peter
:14:10. > :14:13.Robinson has been outmanoeuvred. I'm glad the select committee has taken
:14:14. > :14:16.on a much more in-depth investigation. It will hopefully be
:14:17. > :14:22.able to bring up much more than the judge-led enquiry can, because
:14:23. > :14:26.obviously it is seen it isn't enough. Lawrence Robinson, whilst
:14:27. > :14:30.you didn't go so far as to say that, he was clear this morning that he
:14:31. > :14:34.thought his enquiry would be much deeper, more in-depth and would get
:14:35. > :14:38.more information and have that opportunity... I want to see as much
:14:39. > :14:43.information as possible, out of that, that's why I'm pleased the
:14:44. > :14:47.select committee has taken that on. Ian Paisley Jr says he believes the
:14:48. > :14:52.government has now confirmed that the scheme is over. Is that your
:14:53. > :14:56.understanding, do you welcome that? I welcome it if the scheme is over.
:14:57. > :15:01.I'm calling for the Secretary of State to say that the scheme is
:15:02. > :15:05.over, but most importantly to apologise to victims. The letters
:15:06. > :15:13.that are out need to be rescinded. Ian Paisley Jr has said the
:15:14. > :15:16.government has confirmed that. If they have rescinded the letters, I
:15:17. > :15:21.fully welcome mat and support it. We will have to see precisely what it
:15:22. > :15:26.means. In the midst of all the political squabbling we've seen in
:15:27. > :15:32.the past ten days, the victims find themselves caught in the crossfire.
:15:33. > :15:38.How are they feeling tonight? I think that people I've spoken to
:15:39. > :15:42.have expressed anger. They've expressed feelings of betrayal,
:15:43. > :15:47.revulsion. I think listening to the conversation and listening to a
:15:48. > :15:50.number of conversations between politicians and others in recent
:15:51. > :15:58.days, people are very confused will stop we hear about enquiries,
:15:59. > :16:02.judge-led reviews, we hear about investigations, all sorts of things
:16:03. > :16:07.are happening that lead people very confused. And who do they trust and
:16:08. > :16:10.who do they believe? You have accused the Secretary of State of
:16:11. > :16:14.addressing the concerns of victims too late over this particular issue.
:16:15. > :16:18.What do you make of what we've just heard from Ian Paisley Jr, that his
:16:19. > :16:24.understanding is the government has confirmed the scheme is over, what
:16:25. > :16:31.will that mean to victims? We have to wait to hear specifically what
:16:32. > :16:33.that means. It is open to interpretation. The scheme being
:16:34. > :16:35.over doesn't necessarily mean that the letters have been rescinded. It
:16:36. > :16:39.might just mean that no further consideration will be given to
:16:40. > :16:45.outstanding cases. We need to wait to hear what is going to be said.
:16:46. > :16:51.What this demonstrates is so many victims have been denied access to
:16:52. > :16:55.justice over the years, across the peace in Northern Ireland. What this
:16:56. > :16:59.demonstrates is the victims who feel they've been denied even the
:17:00. > :17:03.opportunity to access justice. That is what is so shocking for people.
:17:04. > :17:09.It's an experience that is common across all communities. What was
:17:10. > :17:13.really refreshing was to hear people today, at the Victims Forum, talking
:17:14. > :17:19.about their sense of loss, their Barisic mint, their injury, their
:17:20. > :17:24.psychological injury and they have a shared, lived experience of those
:17:25. > :17:28.things. What they want is truth justice, they want an
:17:29. > :17:34.acknowledgement. Some people want reparation, some people want their
:17:35. > :17:39.day in court. We have to make these processes start from what victims
:17:40. > :17:45.want. Let's go back to Ian Paisley. Can you clarify that for us. You've
:17:46. > :17:49.said that the Secretary of State has said that the letters don't stand,
:17:50. > :17:54.there will be no more cases was the phrase you used. Can you clarify it
:17:55. > :17:58.for us? Does that mean that the letters that have been sent out,
:17:59. > :18:02.almost 200 of them, will be rescinded, or does it simply means
:18:03. > :18:09.there will be no new cases, or that any cases that are still being dealt
:18:10. > :18:11.with in the system won't be pursued? I understand that the Secretary of
:18:12. > :18:15.State was telling an audience in Belfast that the scheme is over.
:18:16. > :18:20.That means that the promissory note given is broken. That is what any
:18:21. > :18:24.court will have to consider when ever a future case comes before
:18:25. > :18:28.them, because judges will ultimately have to interpret this. That is why
:18:29. > :18:32.I welcome the fact that the Secretary of State has made it clear
:18:33. > :18:34.the scheme is over. That's why I believe these terrorists have in
:18:35. > :18:40.their pockets no longer a promissory note, no longer the letter but a
:18:41. > :18:45.beaten docket. I welcome what was said by Catherine this evening. I
:18:46. > :18:48.also think a protocol needs to be established that means dealing with
:18:49. > :18:52.the past does one thing, it puts victims first. When I became a
:18:53. > :18:56.minister in 2007, the first action I took was to trouble the funding
:18:57. > :19:00.given to victims and victims groups, to put in place a capital scheme to
:19:01. > :19:04.help victims. Then my colleagues addressed the issue of trying to
:19:05. > :19:11.amend the definition of a victim. That momentum has been lost because
:19:12. > :19:17.of things like this On The Run scheme. We must put them front and
:19:18. > :19:21.centre again. Your party leader read out a letter, his predecessor, your
:19:22. > :19:25.father, had written to Tony Blair seeking clarification that no
:19:26. > :19:29.concessions were being made to OTRs at the time. Does your father feel
:19:30. > :19:33.let down by the way the Blair government handled this issue?
:19:34. > :19:40.Everybody knows my father is very capable of speaking for himself.
:19:41. > :19:45.I've no doubt that we believe that lies have clearly been told. That is
:19:46. > :19:49.why we are so exercised about this. It was delicate enough trying to get
:19:50. > :19:55.a negotiation process in place and then trying to get an outcome, let
:19:56. > :19:59.alone sworn enemies to ultimately share power. This has damaged that
:20:00. > :20:04.and we must try to rebuild it for the benefit of our people. A
:20:05. > :20:10.sentence from each of you. Where are we tonight, it seems that things are
:20:11. > :20:14.moving on apace? They are, but we will hear more revelations. Over the
:20:15. > :20:20.next weeks and months, we will hear more revelations about this. People
:20:21. > :20:24.will be shocked by what they hear. What does that mean? I think people
:20:25. > :20:28.will hear more information coming out that they weren't aware of. That
:20:29. > :20:32.is the difficulty. We've heard so much in this last week that people
:20:33. > :20:37.weren't aware of, within our community, the political world and
:20:38. > :20:41.the victims' world. The final foot from you. All politicians seem to
:20:42. > :20:46.agree on one thing, and it's that victims are at the centre of this.
:20:47. > :20:50.Victims would like to see some actions to support the words that
:20:51. > :20:53.have been spoken. This might be a career limiting move, but when
:20:54. > :20:57.politicians are taking chunks out of each other on the television, it
:20:58. > :21:01.might be worthwhile thinking about the impact of those shouting and
:21:02. > :21:04.squawking at each other and just think about the impact of that on
:21:05. > :21:09.victims and what that is doing to them. Thank you all very much. Now,
:21:10. > :21:13.is it getting tougher for women to get involved in politics? It's more
:21:14. > :21:16.than 100 years since women in Britain and Ireland took to the
:21:17. > :21:19.streets in their thousands to demand the right to vote. This Saturday is
:21:20. > :21:22.International Women's Day, and one of its aims is to increase the
:21:23. > :21:25.number of women participating in political life. But recently
:21:26. > :21:30.concerns have been expressed about women leaving politics. Four Tory
:21:31. > :21:34.and seven Labour women MPs have said they'll be standing down at the next
:21:35. > :21:37.election. The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has
:21:38. > :21:44.expressed his alarm at the apparent trend. Can I say I echo entirely
:21:45. > :21:48.what the minister has said. This House is losing far too many
:21:49. > :21:51.outstanding members and far too many outstanding female members. Joining
:21:52. > :21:54.me are two women who are swimming against the tide, the Sinn Fein MP
:21:55. > :21:57.and former Stormont Minister, Michelle Gildernew, and hot off the
:21:58. > :22:07.plane from London, the Alliance MP, Naomi Long. Welcome to you both. How
:22:08. > :22:11.tough is it? It's not an easy job, despite what people say. But I don't
:22:12. > :22:14.think it's more net # difficult necessarily for women to get the
:22:15. > :22:17.opportunity to do the job. I think there are things that could be
:22:18. > :22:22.changed to improve the conditions, not just for women but all people
:22:23. > :22:25.involved in politics. For me, the key thing is to try to get more
:22:26. > :22:28.women feeling it's something they can do. I think it's important we
:22:29. > :22:32.give women the opportunity and encouragement to step forward to
:22:33. > :22:37.make their contribution. Despite the claims from the parties here and
:22:38. > :22:40.across the water that they want more women involved in front line
:22:41. > :22:49.politics, it doesn't seem to be working. Why not? I would argue it
:22:50. > :22:54.is working. At Westminster hour representation is 100% female. Our
:22:55. > :22:58.biggest issue, we don't sit on our laurels on this, our biggest issue
:22:59. > :23:03.in Alliance is getting more women to come forward. Women do
:23:04. > :23:06.proportionately better at selection but for internal party posts and
:23:07. > :23:10.also for public representation than men. The issue is we can't get
:23:11. > :23:14.enough women who are willing to come forward. But they often don't hear
:23:15. > :23:17.that positive message because it's drowned out by the negatives.
:23:18. > :23:21.Politics is bruising, difficult and it will only change as more and for
:23:22. > :23:24.women join and change the culture. But we need to encourage women who
:23:25. > :23:29.want to change society to believe that politics is the way to do that.
:23:30. > :23:42.I want to see talented people, male and female, see politics as a way
:23:43. > :23:44.forward. Unfortunately, the way some of our politics, particularly in
:23:45. > :23:45.Northern Ireland but not exclusively, isn't particularly
:23:46. > :23:47.conducive to encourage people to come forward. Michelle, you don't
:23:48. > :23:50.take your Westminster seat but you do travel back and forward to London
:23:51. > :23:53.on a regular basis. You were a minister at Stormont and before that
:23:54. > :24:00.you check the health committee. How tough has it been for you? I think I
:24:01. > :24:03.found a huge difference between... When I was elected was before my
:24:04. > :24:07.family were born and before I was married. During the 14 years I was
:24:08. > :24:12.in the assembly I've had three children. I found a huge difference
:24:13. > :24:15.between how I was able to get on before and afterwards. Now I
:24:16. > :24:19.wouldn't change them for the world and wouldn't be without them, but it
:24:20. > :24:26.is a lot more, located. You often do a days work before and work because
:24:27. > :24:31.at the end of the day, our most important job is as a mother. That's
:24:32. > :24:34.the role I enjoy, I enjoy both my roles, but the role of a mother does
:24:35. > :24:36.throw up some difficult complications. One of them is travel
:24:37. > :24:42.and one of them as early mornings and another is late nights. It's
:24:43. > :24:47.getting that worklife balance. It's difficult. You can get a phone call
:24:48. > :24:51.to say your child has been sick at school. That's the same for women no
:24:52. > :24:57.matter what role in life they are involved in. It's also the same for
:24:58. > :25:01.men. Whether being a female or male politician, that challenge is
:25:02. > :25:04.exactly the same. There are quite a few male MPs who find life at
:25:05. > :25:08.Westminster pretty unappealing to. There are quite a few women who are
:25:09. > :25:12.outstanding and they are also men who said they are not standing. I
:25:13. > :25:16.agree, politics is difficult no matter what your agenda is. When I
:25:17. > :25:20.first moved into the assembly it was an absolute bearpit. Some of the
:25:21. > :25:26.other women were among the most unkind to other women. It is
:25:27. > :25:30.definitely not easy. If we are not dealing with a level playing field,
:25:31. > :25:35.so we take a professional in social workers. The vast majority of social
:25:36. > :25:39.workers are women, but the vast majority of social workers' managers
:25:40. > :25:43.are men. Because women have to take time out of work, both for maternity
:25:44. > :25:46.leave and are having their babies, for those phone calls that come in
:25:47. > :25:51.the middle of the day to say your child is sick. Is it time for
:25:52. > :25:56.positive discrimination? I believe it is, I believe we need quotas. I
:25:57. > :26:00.want a society where we don't need quotas but at the moment, and don't
:26:01. > :26:07.forget Sinn Fein has the highest proportion of female politicians of
:26:08. > :26:15.any party on this island, we have quotas, 50-50 representation. We do
:26:16. > :26:19.strive. Sometimes it is difficult to get women to put themselves forward.
:26:20. > :26:30.In which case quotas are an irrelevance. What's the point in
:26:31. > :26:36.having a quota? You have got to diagnose the problem before you find
:26:37. > :26:42.the solution. We cannot encourage enough women to come in. We have to
:26:43. > :26:53.diagnose our own problem. We are trying to do that. Trying to present
:26:54. > :27:13.role models. Also, deal with the cultural issues. There are different
:27:14. > :27:19.challenges. Those should be seen as parental responsibility, not woman's
:27:20. > :27:41.responsibility. We need to look at things like shared parental leave.
:27:42. > :27:47.We need to look at things. Politics is more successful when women have a
:27:48. > :27:57.role. Why is it so bad in Northern Ireland? In the Welsh Assembly 47%,
:27:58. > :28:08.Scotland 33%, House of Commons 20%, the assembly 14%. Why is it so bad?
:28:09. > :28:14.It is partly to do with the confrontational nature of our
:28:15. > :28:24.politics. Some of the challenges we face may not exist in other areas.
:28:25. > :28:32.It can be difficult for families, the work life balance. Sometimes you
:28:33. > :28:42.get to the point where you ask if it is worth it. Until there is a level
:28:43. > :28:53.playing field in society we will need positive discrimination. Thank
:28:54. > :29:06.you both very much. W from Paul McFadden and Alex Kane.
:29:07. > :29:11.-- let as here from. What are your thoughts on what Ian
:29:12. > :29:17.Paisley told us? We have not had confirmation. The Secretary of State
:29:18. > :29:22.said the scheme is over. Does that mean that 187 people will be told to
:29:23. > :29:27.tailor their letters. I do not think that'll happen. Peter Hain said on a
:29:28. > :29:37.number of occasions last week that a deal had been struck with Sinn Fein.
:29:38. > :29:46.If that deal is now and void, it will be Sinn Fein are threatening to
:29:47. > :29:55.resign. Oddly enough the DUP are complaining. But now Sinn Fein may
:29:56. > :30:02.decide to resign. Presumably if it is over and the letters are no
:30:03. > :30:06.longer of any value there will be a huge reaction to that from
:30:07. > :30:18.Republicans? There will be hell to pay if that is the case. It is also
:30:19. > :30:32.a deal that involves another Government. I would love to know
:30:33. > :30:43.what this means in terms of the status of the letters. I would not
:30:44. > :30:49.be so sure that Ian Paisley is correct. Tom Elliott says there is
:30:50. > :30:52.more to come. He said there is a lot more that people will be astonished
:30:53. > :31:00.with whenever it find its way into the public domain. There will be a
:31:01. > :31:19.lot more. That is the hallmark of this process since 1988. -- 1998. If
:31:20. > :31:35.one side of the deal is killed off, Sinn Fein will be arcing at the
:31:36. > :31:44.moon. I feel sympathy for the police service. They were caught in the
:31:45. > :31:51.middle. It is a symptom of political failure.
:31:52. > :32:42.A few tweets on the big showdown in City Hall.
:32:43. > :32:50.right hand is doing. Thank you both very much indeed. Join me for the
:32:51. > :32:51.Sunday Politics on Sunday. Now we leave you with highlights of
:32:52. > :33:21.the showdown at City Hall. me to a tire myself in my Linfield
:33:22. > :33:24.scarf for this occasion. I am wondering if it is appropriate for a
:33:25. > :33:31.member to be wearing a football scarf. There is no provision for me
:33:32. > :33:35.to influence members on what they can or cannot wear in the council
:33:36. > :33:45.chamber. You should resume your seats. The chair has given the
:33:46. > :33:59.ruling. I am ordering you to resume your seat. Do not obstruct me. He
:34:00. > :34:02.dear you address me? Where are we?