:00:25. > :00:31.Tonight, with the Police Ombudsman set to take legal action against the
:00:32. > :00:35.Chief Constable, a former ombudsman tells us she has serious concerns
:00:36. > :00:40.over the breakdown in relations between her successor and the PSNI.
:00:41. > :00:46.Parades are back on the agenda. We hear from the Orange order and Sinn
:00:47. > :00:50.Fein. Also, as the SDLP picks up the pieces after one of its worst ever
:00:51. > :00:55.elections, we hear questions raised in the party about the wider. They
:00:56. > :01:04.lost seats and vaults, so what should happen next four Alasdair
:01:05. > :01:10.McDonnell and the SDLP? And we have more discussion in commentators'
:01:11. > :01:21.First a very public breakdown in relations between the Police
:01:22. > :01:29.Ombudsman and the Chief Constable. Matt Baggott's refusal to hand out
:01:30. > :01:39.material relating to investigations of 60 murders. Michael Maguire
:01:40. > :01:48.claims he is breaking the law by not cooperating. At this afternoon's
:01:49. > :01:53.meeting, the Deputy Chief Constable Alastair Finlay defended the actions
:01:54. > :01:56.of the PSNI. It is about our responsibilities in terms of
:01:57. > :02:01.information we hold and our obligation to ensure we are
:02:02. > :02:07.discharging those in accordance with human rights law and data protection
:02:08. > :02:10.to ensure there is a lawful purpose. We are asking the Police Ombudsman
:02:11. > :02:14.to explain the details of the powers they are operating under and the
:02:15. > :02:19.necessity and the requirement for the information. We do not want to
:02:20. > :02:28.cherry pick and obstruct certain parts. We want to make sure we don't
:02:29. > :02:35.act without powers. There is a way to do this and both organisations
:02:36. > :02:45.have left the door open to do that and I hope we can move is an
:02:46. > :02:54.significantly. Alastair Finlay there. Jeffrey Donaldson, this is
:02:55. > :02:59.difficult for the DUP, isn't it? You have heard what he said that he
:03:00. > :03:04.doesn't think the police are refusing to hand it over. Some of
:03:05. > :03:08.this information is highly sensitive and involves the details of
:03:09. > :03:15.individuals who may have been informers. In the past, when the
:03:16. > :03:23.identity of informers has become known, they have in place at risk
:03:24. > :03:26.and in some cases murdered. The police have laws and human rights
:03:27. > :03:31.requirements they must meet and it is important they get this right. At
:03:32. > :03:35.the same time, we want an agreement between the ombudsman and the police
:03:36. > :03:41.on how this is handled and we want to see progress. It is a challenge
:03:42. > :03:49.for your party because you have supported the work of Special Branch
:03:50. > :03:56.in the past but one of the murders under the spotlight is the murder of
:03:57. > :04:07.an RUC officer and another. I have been involved for several years. We
:04:08. > :04:12.are not shying away from these issues at all. It puts everyone in a
:04:13. > :04:12.are not shying away from these difficult position, not just the
:04:13. > :04:23.DUP. We must get to the bottom of difficult position, not just the
:04:24. > :04:24.this and also recognise that the police cannot play
:04:25. > :04:51.this and also recognise that the the ombudsman is looking for. There
:04:52. > :04:56.are protocols and memorandums. It is very curious that the Police
:04:57. > :05:02.Ombudsman has now been in existence for 14 years. When I first became
:05:03. > :05:04.the Police for 14 years. When I first became
:05:05. > :05:06.suggested I should not look at Special Branch but we overcame that
:05:07. > :05:11.and I always have Special Branch but we overcame that
:05:12. > :05:15.information of all kinds. We did a Special Branch but we overcame that
:05:16. > :05:20.paramilitaries. There was no compromise. The reality is the Chief
:05:21. > :05:24.Constable is under a duty to pass the information over.
:05:25. > :05:31.responsibility is then on the Police Ombudsman to take such measures that
:05:32. > :05:35.are necessary to protect the life of any informant. The Police Ombudsman
:05:36. > :05:39.will be acutely aware of any of those responsibilities. It is
:05:40. > :05:44.absolutely explicit that the those responsibilities. It is
:05:45. > :05:45.have a duty to hand over information. Parliament has made it
:05:46. > :05:48.will clear. When it is said that information. Parliament has made it
:05:49. > :05:52.that they cannot play information. Parliament has made it
:05:53. > :06:00.Nobody intends to do that. information. Parliament has made it
:06:01. > :06:05.Police Ombudsman has been handling information. Parliament has made it
:06:06. > :06:10.years. There have been no leak is and no threats or anything. The
:06:11. > :06:16.situation with Denis Donaldson is one of their cases in which the
:06:17. > :06:21.police are refusing to hand information to the police on this --
:06:22. > :06:28.Police Ombudsman. The law says he information to the police on this --
:06:29. > :06:37.under an obligation. He says they must look at this and work through
:06:38. > :06:46.it. The PSNI has said it has dealt with each case individually. The
:06:47. > :06:52.Police Ombudsman has 100 outstanding requests whether police are refusing
:06:53. > :06:57.to give information. That does not sound like handing over information
:06:58. > :07:01.as required by law. She knows what she's talking about, she is a former
:07:02. > :07:05.Police Ombudsman. She says there is no room for doubt or manoeuvre. The
:07:06. > :07:14.police constable is required to handle this information over. The
:07:15. > :07:17.police act 1998 says one thing but there is something else called
:07:18. > :07:24.national security and that must be a consideration. Indeed it has been in
:07:25. > :07:31.the past. You don't think that the Police Ombudsman can be adjusted
:07:32. > :07:37.with this information? That's not what I said. But that is why there
:07:38. > :07:42.might be a delay in the police responding. They have obligations
:07:43. > :07:46.they must meet under the human rights act and data protection and
:07:47. > :07:51.under national security. There are protocols in place to deal with
:07:52. > :07:57.this. I don't think it is simply a case of the police refusing to hand
:07:58. > :08:01.this over. We are hopeful this can be resolved. It is not just a
:08:02. > :08:05.question of what happened in the past. We must bear in mind that out
:08:06. > :08:09.there at the moment there are informers inside organisations that
:08:10. > :08:15.are actively engaging in terrorist activity in Northern Ireland. If
:08:16. > :08:19.they are watching to see how all of this is handled, it has potential
:08:20. > :08:26.consequences not just for the past but for the future. Michael Maguire
:08:27. > :08:32.has the same security clearance as senior members of the PSNI. That is
:08:33. > :08:37.not the issue. The Police Ombudsman has the same legal responsibility to
:08:38. > :08:47.conduct criminal investigations as the police. The Police Ombudsman
:08:48. > :08:51.does have responsibilities regarding national security but the fact
:08:52. > :08:55.remains they have a right to that information to enable them to
:08:56. > :09:00.conduct investigations. Without information investigations cannot be
:09:01. > :09:04.completed. One would wonder that by refusing to provide information on
:09:05. > :09:06.the police are obstructing these very sensitive and important
:09:07. > :09:13.investigations. I can't understand how this has happened. Do you
:09:14. > :09:23.believe that this could be about protecting police officers and their
:09:24. > :09:29.actions in the past? I do not know. Does it worry you that it might be
:09:30. > :09:32.an issue? The conclusion that could be drawn by those who wish to go
:09:33. > :09:37.there could be that this is a cover-up. But I do not know why the
:09:38. > :09:47.Chief Constable is doing this. I don't understand why he is not doing
:09:48. > :09:51.what has been done in the past. This is not a new matter. These matters
:09:52. > :09:58.have been debated at length and discussed at length. There are
:09:59. > :10:04.officers, retired officers, who would prefer this material doesn't
:10:05. > :10:12.come out. Could it be a cover-up? I do not know because I don't know
:10:13. > :10:15.specifics. It is possibly ineptitude as much as anything.
:10:16. > :10:24.specifics. It is possibly ineptitude as much There are 16 murders. --
:10:25. > :10:30.60. The volume is huge. I think we should ask the Chief Constable why
:10:31. > :10:36.are you doing this? If the Police Ombudsman can't get information then
:10:37. > :10:46.it can't carry out its function. It is information which is required and
:10:47. > :10:57.can statutorily demand of the Chief Constable. These are not cases which
:10:58. > :11:07.only date back to the RUC. We know that one of the case regards the
:11:08. > :11:20.murder of PSNI member Peadar Heffron. Well, let's talk about
:11:21. > :11:33.Colleen McMurray's husband, who was married to a police officer. Some of
:11:34. > :11:37.the victims are police officers. If that is one possible explanation
:11:38. > :11:42.then that is a shocking conclusion. Have you never countenance to that
:11:43. > :11:48.is a possibility? You cannot rule anything out but let me be
:11:49. > :11:53.absolutely clear there is no evidence to suggest wrongdoing on
:11:54. > :11:57.the part of police officers. Until he gets information, he cannot form
:11:58. > :12:03.a view. That is why he wants the information. Well, the Police
:12:04. > :12:08.Ombudsman has had the Colleen McMurray Case for ten years and we
:12:09. > :12:10.had an initial report rejected by the families because we don't feel
:12:11. > :12:15.it went far enough in looking at these issues. I don't think the
:12:16. > :12:21.question is police trying to protect police officers, I think it is about
:12:22. > :12:30.national security and the modus operandi of police and
:12:31. > :12:34.counterterrorism. Michael Maguire says that you can't have a situation
:12:35. > :12:37.where those under investigation determined that information given to
:12:38. > :12:44.those undertaking of the investigating. That is a key
:12:45. > :12:49.principle of justice. I am not disagreeing with it. I am saying
:12:50. > :12:54.that I don't think the reason for this delay is because the police are
:12:55. > :12:59.refusing to hand information over, I am saying that there are obligations
:13:00. > :13:05.they must meet, legal obligations, before they can determine how to
:13:06. > :13:11.deal with this. This is not new, we have had national security, data
:13:12. > :13:18.protection, Freedom of information, police legislation. For some reason,
:13:19. > :13:23.in the past month, police have provided information. They have a
:13:24. > :13:31.legal duty to do so. There is no difference between the powers of the
:13:32. > :13:41.two and from Dominic -- the two institutions. It is two weeks since
:13:42. > :13:45.the European Council elections and for many SDLP activists it has been
:13:46. > :13:48.difficult, as they came to terms with some of their worst
:13:49. > :13:52.difficult, as they came to terms results. They had hoped to wind 80
:13:53. > :13:54.council seats but got 66 seats and they got their worst result in
:13:55. > :13:59.Europe. We have been talking to some they got their worst result in
:14:00. > :14:10.people in the party and we have heard that questions have been asked
:14:11. > :14:13.about the leadership. We are very pleased with the result, it is not
:14:14. > :14:22.as good as we would have liked, however. With the election is over,
:14:23. > :14:29.the STL and are keen to promote a tale of two cities. -- SDLP. Here,
:14:30. > :14:35.one of their councillors has become Mayor and in Belfast, Nichola Mallon
:14:36. > :14:38.has become first citizen. They say this illustrates they have a strong
:14:39. > :14:42.electoral future and it shows they believe in the promotion of women.
:14:43. > :14:49.Away from the smiles, there believe in the promotion of women.
:14:50. > :14:57.activist, there are concerns about losing votes, losing seats and
:14:58. > :15:00.future elections. Once the city and the Parliamentary seat of foil was a
:15:01. > :15:05.political fortress held by John Hume, but after last month's local
:15:06. > :15:07.elections, the battle ground for nationalism has changed. On the
:15:08. > :15:13.basis of the council poll for nationalism has changed. On the
:15:14. > :15:21.first time in Londonderry, Sinn Fein got more votes than than the SDLP.
:15:22. > :15:26.They may have out polled the SDLP in terms of Londonderry city alone, in
:15:27. > :15:31.terms of the amalgamated council due to start next year, but it would
:15:32. > :15:35.appear on the face of it, it is early yet, but it probably suggest
:15:36. > :15:48.that there is a change in nationalist politics. This was
:15:49. > :15:53.Alasdair McDonnell's first problem is why test as party leader. Back in
:15:54. > :16:00.November, he set self target saying he would like 80 seats and would
:16:01. > :16:07.regard fewer than 70 as a loss. The party ended up with 66 seats. One of
:16:08. > :16:13.the electoral casualties was Brenda Stevenson, the niece of John Hume
:16:14. > :16:22.she stood for one council but fail to get it. She will serve as Mayor
:16:23. > :16:26.for the old council -- failed. Alasdair McDonnell set this target
:16:27. > :16:31.and he said it would be a loss if that was under 70 and you are stop
:16:32. > :16:38.yes, we are moving forward, we have an election next year. We are trying
:16:39. > :16:47.to build the party and move forward. Is Alex met the right leader? He
:16:48. > :16:51.is. Clare Hanna is one of a growing number of women councillors. She
:16:52. > :17:01.thinks the SDLP must leave the executive in order to stand out --
:17:02. > :17:10.Executive. Seven years on, no racial equality, and SDLP has not
:17:11. > :17:16.successfully put forward a coherent alternative. Is that the fault of
:17:17. > :17:21.the leader? There is a problem with our message. I think we need to fix
:17:22. > :17:30.the message. Is it just the message? I am not going to get into
:17:31. > :17:35.who should not be at the top of the party. We all need to work together.
:17:36. > :17:39.Changing the perceptions of the party is not new. Last year on this
:17:40. > :17:44.programme, we revealed that confidential report which concluded
:17:45. > :17:49.that the party was resting on its laurels, was too complacent and too
:17:50. > :17:55.stuck in the past, but one MLA suggested that party fortunes were
:17:56. > :17:59.about to improve. Alex outward will wind that election and it is time we
:18:00. > :18:06.had someone in Europe -- Alex Attwood. However, he failed to
:18:07. > :18:11.become an MEP and that resulted in the worst ever European election
:18:12. > :18:15.result for the SDLP. Over the last few days, I have had conversations
:18:16. > :18:19.with the key figures in the party and we have discussed the problems.
:18:20. > :18:24.No one was prepared to comment publicly, although one candidate to
:18:25. > :18:28.me that he thought the party's days were numbered. What became clear in
:18:29. > :18:34.all of these conversations was that there was one being, Alasdair
:18:35. > :18:40.McDonnell's leadership. There is no disguising the fact that it was not
:18:41. > :18:43.a good election for the SDLP. Many other personalities have lost their
:18:44. > :18:49.leadership because of performances like that, so what happens in turn
:18:50. > :18:54.late is probably a good question, are there are behind-the-scenes that
:18:55. > :18:59.Alasdair McDonnell may be put in the position where he is asked to vacate
:19:00. > :19:03.the leadership? Is there an mood in the party for a leadership
:19:04. > :19:08.challenge? There is a mood to keep us going forward. There are no
:19:09. > :19:16.discussions of that nature. With this be a distraction? I am not
:19:17. > :19:22.focused on it. To some observers, the changes in nationalist politics
:19:23. > :19:26.are now irreversible. You could say that you are looking at a slow
:19:27. > :19:37.decline. Some people have said that in the past will stop does the party
:19:38. > :19:41.have a role to play? I think it does. The next 12 months are
:19:42. > :19:45.crucial, so far Alasdair McDonnell's critics are not prepared
:19:46. > :19:49.to be named. Some observers suggest that the party knew what kind of
:19:50. > :19:56.leader he was when they are elected him. What you ask for is what you
:19:57. > :20:01.get, he is a formidable organiser and he has steadied the ship. Next
:20:02. > :20:12.May, voters will get another opportunity to decide. The Parades
:20:13. > :20:15.Commission has ruled against Orangemen completing their march
:20:16. > :20:20.past Ardoyne in north Belfast. Loyalists have camped out in protest
:20:21. > :20:25.since the route was first blocked last year. Policing the dispute has
:20:26. > :20:32.cost ?9 million. Some loyalist had hoped that recent talks would lead
:20:33. > :20:37.to them getting the go-ahead for apparatus Saturday but this was not
:20:38. > :20:40.the case. With the deadlock set to continue, what is the plan for what
:20:41. > :20:47.could be another difficult marching season? Joining me now is Mervyn
:20:48. > :20:53.Gibson and Alex Maskey. Thank you for joining us. Talks were going on
:20:54. > :20:58.right up until the weekend to try and break this impasse and we were
:20:59. > :21:02.hearing that Loyalists were expressing some optimism that they
:21:03. > :21:08.would get the march, or what went wrong? There was optimism that there
:21:09. > :21:14.would be an opportunity for a new start with parading. Try and clear
:21:15. > :21:23.the decks before July 12 stop that sadly was not the case. Was it
:21:24. > :21:29.wishful thinking? I think the orders did all that they were asked to do.
:21:30. > :21:34.They went into talks, face-to-face talks, they went in with an attitude
:21:35. > :21:38.to try and resolve the issue, but they faced in tolerance, people did
:21:39. > :21:43.not want the parade going back up that road and sadly, the Parades
:21:44. > :21:49.Commission has allowed that. I am sure you will say it is not as
:21:50. > :21:53.simple as that, but there were talks, Loyalists did go in and talk
:21:54. > :21:56.to people that previously they were uncomfortable about talking to, what
:21:57. > :22:02.was the purpose of that process then? Is important that people come
:22:03. > :22:09.together and have dialogue to try and resolve the problem. Those
:22:10. > :22:17.issues have been resolved before. We can cite other places, like Derry,
:22:18. > :22:28.weather has been dialogue -- where that has been genuine. I am not a
:22:29. > :22:41.requiem involved in those talks. What is clear -- directly involved.
:22:42. > :22:42.requiem involved in those talks. This is about those who want the
:22:43. > :22:48.march having respect for the communities. They need to talk to
:22:49. > :22:52.those people. We have had a new Parades Commission,
:22:53. > :22:53.those people. We have had a new week we have had a toxic environment
:22:54. > :22:54.created by people like week we have had a toxic environment
:22:55. > :23:04.there have been people week we have had a toxic environment
:23:05. > :23:06.have been protesting every week, some very senior members of the
:23:07. > :23:14.Orange Order some very senior members of the
:23:15. > :23:19.way to encourage the community. You are saying that Mervyn Gibson is
:23:20. > :23:28.contributing to a toxic situation? We have met and talked about this, I
:23:29. > :23:32.do believe that senior figures including Mervyn Gibson need to be
:23:33. > :23:36.do believe that senior figures the one hand, you cannot say you
:23:37. > :23:41.respect the community and then join our rally every week, using
:23:42. > :23:51.offensive language. How do you respond to that? You want to create
:23:52. > :23:55.an environment where you get your parade, Alex Maskey says you are
:23:56. > :24:00.doing the reverse of that, because you still have not got it stop there
:24:01. > :24:05.have been peaceful protest, there have been done attacks and paint
:24:06. > :24:11.bomb attacks, but they have come from Ardoyne. We have had a peaceful
:24:12. > :24:17.protest and were has got us, it has got us nowhere. I am not advocating
:24:18. > :24:20.violence, but the community say that violence pays.
:24:21. > :24:24.violence, but the community say that rewarded by banning the parade. It
:24:25. > :24:28.is not about the parade, it is about keeping people off the main road
:24:29. > :24:35.because of what they stand for. That is absolutely what I believe. It is
:24:36. > :24:40.not about banning this parade, it is the same parade from last year. The
:24:41. > :24:45.Parades Commission upheld the determination they made last year.
:24:46. > :24:48.This was an attempt to have another parade and when we talk about what
:24:49. > :24:54.has been happening on the ground, the reality is, they keep making
:24:55. > :24:57.this point, if you keep having a dialogue, we are fortunate the
:24:58. > :25:04.dialogue is going on despite the toxic environment. There is still a
:25:05. > :25:07.dialogue going on. The point I am making, Mervyn Gibson cannot ignore
:25:08. > :25:13.the fact that there have been up to 200 breaches of the law in and
:25:14. > :25:17.around the area of the camp protest. That is a figure, if you
:25:18. > :25:23.ask the PSNI, they will give you that figure. There is a large number
:25:24. > :25:38.of breaches of the law which has been happening there by people like
:25:39. > :25:53.Mervyn Gibson. How do you respond to that? 200 breaches... It has been
:25:54. > :25:58.peaceful. Breaches of the law could involve a band playing. We are not
:25:59. > :26:09.talking about violence. We have kept it peaceful. We are talking about
:26:10. > :26:15.intolerance. We are only asking for six minutes of tolerance. I was in
:26:16. > :26:19.Londonderry and we walked up with six policemen, Republicans there are
:26:20. > :26:28.tolerated the parade. It is as simple as that. Is the camp at
:26:29. > :26:32.Twaddell Avenue not upping the ante which makes it more difficult for
:26:33. > :26:37.Republicans to concede the ground you want them to concede? It is the
:26:38. > :26:46.civil rights camp. We have not called for a big numbers. We are not
:26:47. > :26:50.talking about thousands of people. You have heard his explanation, you
:26:51. > :26:54.have heard him say that six minutes would sort this out. This was an
:26:55. > :26:58.application for a parade that would take place early on a Saturday
:26:59. > :27:01.morning, it would have dealt with the issue and we would not be
:27:02. > :27:08.sitting here talking about it tonight. Would that not have been
:27:09. > :27:12.worthwhile? The people do not have respect, if they still do not have
:27:13. > :27:24.respect, we will still be sitting here in 100 years. We have had
:27:25. > :27:35.Orange marches banned 100 years ago the close there was inflammatory
:27:36. > :27:46.speech and offences behaviour. There is nobody in the parade in Derry
:27:47. > :27:57.outside the chapel which people in your parade insist on. It is the
:27:58. > :28:04.core disrespect of a community when you cannot even pass the chapel
:28:05. > :28:13.bothered going to the toilet at the gates. How do you think we are going
:28:14. > :28:25.to get over the problem? He is talking about an isolated incident
:28:26. > :28:31.which we dealt with. Tell me how you're going to sort it out. We have
:28:32. > :28:42.sorted out the problems with the bands, the flags, the music, the
:28:43. > :28:47.crowds. The problem is intolerance. A lot of people will hope that it is
:28:48. > :28:52.resolved sooner rather than later. Let's hear what our commentators
:28:53. > :29:03.make of what we've been discussing. Join me at Alex Kane and pull
:29:04. > :29:09.McFadden. Pull McFadden. Let's talk about the conflict between the Chief
:29:10. > :29:17.Constable and the Police Ombudsman. I have some sympathy with Nuala
:29:18. > :29:22.O'Loan's point of view. If the Police Ombudsman is cleared at the
:29:23. > :29:26.highest levels of security, which he is, then national security is not an
:29:27. > :29:31.issue because you can make the call himself and decide whether the
:29:32. > :29:42.information is or isn't. But this situation looks like secrecy. It is
:29:43. > :29:49.a mixed message. I think the PSNI are making it difficult for
:29:50. > :29:58.themselves. These are requests for information in serious cases by the
:29:59. > :30:00.Police Ombudsman. It is not a Freedom of information request or
:30:01. > :30:12.making the information known to members of the public or even the
:30:13. > :30:21.Policing Board for --. Nuala O'Loan was adamant that the Police
:30:22. > :30:25.Ombudsman has the law on his side. May be a new Chief Constable will
:30:26. > :30:29.change the landscape. Well he will be asked the same question. But it
:30:30. > :30:35.looks like the Chief Constable is deliberately withholding
:30:36. > :30:49.information. There was no point having a Police Ombudsman if you do
:30:50. > :30:52.not trust him. To see the police reacting in such a way to an
:30:53. > :30:59.investigation by the police at ombudsman, it should check
:31:00. > :31:04.confidence. It will be on the agenda until it is resolved. What about
:31:05. > :31:09.parades, a speedy and peaceful resolution. It has been ten months
:31:10. > :31:16.but do you think something can be done before the 12th parade? No. The
:31:17. > :31:19.Parades Commission exists because the parties couldn't come up with
:31:20. > :31:24.anything else. This is Street politics. The parties of the
:31:25. > :31:35.executive cannot agree a shared future. How can they expect anyone
:31:36. > :31:47.at street level to do so then? It is red in tooth and claw. With respect
:31:48. > :31:51.to the Reverend Gibson, I think the camp is a
:31:52. > :31:57.to the Reverend Gibson, I think the Order. He says it is a civil rights
:31:58. > :32:04.camp. Well, it has had 200 reaches of the law associated with it. If
:32:05. > :32:11.camp. Well, it has had 200 reaches had something similar leading up to
:32:12. > :32:17.the agreement I don't think we would have had an agreement at all. I
:32:18. > :32:26.won't ask you about STL P. You are from Derry, is Mark Durkan's
:32:27. > :32:38.Westminster seat under threat? I think the SDLP can't afford to be
:32:39. > :32:55.complacent. Is Alasdair McDonnell's leadership in question? Well,
:32:56. > :33:03.opposition is the place for them. The pause was significant. Thank you
:33:04. > :33:11.both very much indeed. We never get tired of politics here at The View
:33:12. > :33:51.but it looked like the Stormont was taking its toll today.
:33:52. > :33:57.That's it from us all here on The View for this week.