:00:00. > :00:00.The political world in shock after the murder
:00:00. > :00:11.Tonight on The View, we hear the thoughts of two local MPs
:00:12. > :00:35.on the killing that took place on the streets of her constituency.
:00:36. > :00:37.Tonight, tributes from Westminster and around the world
:00:38. > :00:42.have been pouring in for the 41-year old Labour MP
:00:43. > :00:45.for Batley and Spen, who was shot and stabbed this afternoon.
:00:46. > :00:48.A mother of two young children, Jo Cox was elected to Westminster
:00:49. > :00:59.Nothing made me pride on the 8th of May two be sent to this place with
:01:00. > :01:04.an increased Labour majority, proving again nonconformity in my
:01:05. > :01:05.neck of the woods is what we do best.
:01:06. > :01:08.We'll hear the thoughts of two of her Westminister colleagues -
:01:09. > :01:10.the DUP's Nigel Dodds and the SDLP's Margaret Ritchie.
:01:11. > :01:14.Plus, as we enter the marching season, a senior member
:01:15. > :01:17.of the Orange Order asks is it time to re-examine plans brought forward
:01:18. > :01:21.by the DUP and Sinn Fein to reform parading?
:01:22. > :01:28.If memory serves me correctly it was the Orange institution that rejected
:01:29. > :01:34.it at that stage, so that was I would view a bit of an all-new goal
:01:35. > :01:35.-- an own-goal. And with their thoughts
:01:36. > :01:37.on all of the above, Chris Donnelly and Dawn Purvis
:01:38. > :01:39.are in Commentators' Corner. David Cameron called
:01:40. > :01:43.her "a great star - "a great campaigning MP with
:01:44. > :01:45.huge compassion and a big heart". Jeremy Corbyn called her
:01:46. > :01:47."a much-loved colleague, "who died listening
:01:48. > :01:49.to and representing the people Today's murder of Jo Cox has
:01:50. > :01:56.shaken the Westminster village to its foundations,
:01:57. > :01:58.but the shock and hurt The US Secretary of State,
:01:59. > :02:02.John Kerry, called her death "an assault on everybody who cares
:02:03. > :02:07.about and has faith in democracy". The deputy leader of the DUP,
:02:08. > :02:10.Nigel Dodds, is with me now, along with the former
:02:11. > :02:12.SDLP leader Margaret Ritchie and our Political Editor
:02:13. > :02:18.Mark Devenport. Good evening to you all, thank you
:02:19. > :02:24.for joining us on the programme tonight. Nigel Dodds, it is a
:02:25. > :02:29.dreadful shock, an MP murdered on the streets of Britain. It is
:02:30. > :02:34.actually shocking event and one of those days which really casts a very
:02:35. > :02:40.long shadow, and one where people will remember where they were when
:02:41. > :02:44.they have the news, and I was carrying out constituency advice
:02:45. > :02:49.surgery myself, meeting people, just as I'm sure Jo was earlier today,
:02:50. > :02:55.going about her business as a constituency MP and for this to
:02:56. > :03:00.happen is truly horrific and words fail you, especially when you see
:03:01. > :03:05.the reaction or her husband and the thought of her two young girls left
:03:06. > :03:10.without a mother. It's truly heart-rending and awful, and you
:03:11. > :03:16.know, those of us in Northern Ireland who have experienced some of
:03:17. > :03:19.that kind of situation, where attacks happen on public
:03:20. > :03:23.representatives, we know too well the heart and feelings people must
:03:24. > :03:26.be going through in her constituency, so our hearts go out
:03:27. > :03:31.to her family most of all and to the Labour Party and all colleagues at
:03:32. > :03:36.this time, early very difficult. Margaret Ritchie, you did not know
:03:37. > :03:41.her well but did to top two in the tearooms and the corridors, it seems
:03:42. > :03:49.in a short period of time she made remarkable impression on people. --
:03:50. > :03:54.to talk to. First of all, I want to express my sympathy is on my own
:03:55. > :04:00.behalf and from the SDLP for Jo's husband, her children, her
:04:01. > :04:06.constituents and the wider Labour movement, we in the S deal be a
:04:07. > :04:14.sister party and Jo sat down in the trenches -- we in the SDLP are a
:04:15. > :04:18.sister party. And Jo and myself sat in the benches. It is very
:04:19. > :04:23.difficult, something that has an unspeakable tragedy for them, but it
:04:24. > :04:28.is something that everybody in public life faces, that element of
:04:29. > :04:35.risk, whether you are an MP, a public servant like a teacher or
:04:36. > :04:39.doctor, nurse or care assistant, that is always that element of risk,
:04:40. > :04:43.but I suppose for us, constituency offices, are staff at the front in
:04:44. > :04:50.for us when we are in Westminster because they are dealing with
:04:51. > :04:52.constituents on our behalf and then we are meeting them in those
:04:53. > :04:59.situations, and always, people come to us as the final Avenue, seeking a
:05:00. > :05:05.solution to a problem, and we are very happy to help them. Nigel, it
:05:06. > :05:10.brings into sharp focus that notion of democratic accountability,
:05:11. > :05:13.because they expect MPs to be accessible to us as members of the
:05:14. > :05:19.public, and you want to be as accessible, meet constituents, hear
:05:20. > :05:23.their concerns and help them. Yes. And when something like this
:05:24. > :05:28.happens, serious questions are asked. How do you think that balance
:05:29. > :05:33.needs to be struck? It is a difficult balance and recently the
:05:34. > :05:39.House of Commons sent out advice to MPs saying you should take
:05:40. > :05:43.precautions, only do surgery is by appointment, make sure you know who
:05:44. > :05:50.is likely to come and see you, but we know, Margate, and all -- we
:05:51. > :05:56.know, Margate, all parties, knows it is difficult to stick to that. We go
:05:57. > :06:00.into public life, nobody forces us into public life, most politicians
:06:01. > :06:04.of all parties go in out of your conviction to help people. Sometimes
:06:05. > :06:09.we get that press but most politicians I have come across,
:06:10. > :06:12.Republican, nationalist, Unionist, are in it because they believe in
:06:13. > :06:17.what they believe in and want to serve people, but you've got to
:06:18. > :06:22.battle personal security against accessibility. Most people I find
:06:23. > :06:29.error on the side of accessibility, because they believe they are out
:06:30. > :06:34.there to serve people. -- err. And the day we lose that accessibility
:06:35. > :06:38.will be a bad day for democracy in which the terrorists and evil people
:06:39. > :06:42.triumph, so we have to try as much as possible to keep the door open to
:06:43. > :06:48.constituents. Mark Devenport, a profound shock for the Westminster
:06:49. > :06:52.political village, but extends way beyond that? Absolutely, listening
:06:53. > :06:56.to the tributes paid to Jo Cox, obviously a very popular young MP
:06:57. > :07:01.around Westminster. My colleague James Landale. About the moment
:07:02. > :07:05.around the Westminster village when people stopped and could not believe
:07:06. > :07:09.what they were hearing. Certainly, when listening to radio reports
:07:10. > :07:13.earlier today, the Labour MP she worked for as an assistant, and a
:07:14. > :07:19.Conservative MP she worked with on the issue of Syrian refugees, spoke
:07:20. > :07:22.about her in very warm terms, then suddenly, the radio broadcast went
:07:23. > :07:26.over to that police news conference announcing her death and you could
:07:27. > :07:30.hear visible emotion amongst colleagues that they could not
:07:31. > :07:34.believe what they were hearing. Obviously, it will be up to the
:07:35. > :07:40.detectives on the case to work out what motivation if any her assailant
:07:41. > :07:43.had, but this comes at a time when that has been quite a bit of an
:07:44. > :07:47.article rhetoric on both sides of the referendum debate and we see
:07:48. > :07:53.unprecedented reaction to what has gone on, both the Remain and Leave
:07:54. > :07:57.campaigns officially suspending their campaigns and tonight, whilst
:07:58. > :08:03.we are proceeding, talking about the whole issue of security, we are not
:08:04. > :08:07.talking about European matters, and also the BBC's question time
:08:08. > :08:11.programme, they have been stopped for tonight, which is highly
:08:12. > :08:14.unusual, but a sign of the gravity of the situation and the fight
:08:15. > :08:21.obviously be campaigns are both suspended so guests are not
:08:22. > :08:23.available to talk about those matters. -- and the fact. We have to
:08:24. > :08:28.continue with political functions but do not want to be disrespected
:08:29. > :08:32.to the family of Jo Cox. And people watching this will be aware that
:08:33. > :08:37.prominent political figures, public figures in Northern Ireland, have
:08:38. > :08:44.been all too aware of the risks that they have been under, I suppose, in
:08:45. > :08:47.public life for many years? For a considerable amount of time, sadly,
:08:48. > :08:53.and hopefully we are moving out of those days, but maybe there will
:08:54. > :08:57.always be risks, as both Nigel and Margaret have said, in terms of MPs
:08:58. > :09:02.having to be assessable to the public, not knowing who will the
:09:03. > :09:06.door next, but looking at the list of MPs murdered, going back a long
:09:07. > :09:14.way, sadly obviously those who have been murdered in relation to
:09:15. > :09:22.Northern Ireland by the IRA, the INLA, a very long one. And if you
:09:23. > :09:25.look around Stormont come under our clerks they are clerks therefore
:09:26. > :09:33.former speaker killed by Republicans, and two senators, one
:09:34. > :09:38.of them killed by the official IRA and one killed by loyalists. This
:09:39. > :09:42.has been around in Northern Ireland politics for a long time. The peace
:09:43. > :09:47.process has helped but threats of various kinds of their online, or
:09:48. > :09:52.potentially in the constituency offices, and we saw with Naomi Long,
:09:53. > :09:56.as those still exists and have to be dealt with and that is no perfect
:09:57. > :10:03.way of ensuring security for somebody who is a public figure. And
:10:04. > :10:06.of course Republican levels -- Republican political figures
:10:07. > :10:12.targeted by loyalists? Yes, most of the MPs targeted were being targeted
:10:13. > :10:18.by Republicans, but here, we did see the likes of Gerry Adams being shot,
:10:19. > :10:24.and Benedict McCarthy, attacks going in differing directions. And Senator
:10:25. > :10:30.Paddy Wilson was targeted by loyalists. The likes of Nigel Dodds
:10:31. > :10:37.has had direct experience of what it is like. Nigel, I don't want to open
:10:38. > :10:40.difficult issues for you, but this must have struck a cord with you on
:10:41. > :10:47.a very personal level, your family, today? Yes, I was seeing to somebody
:10:48. > :10:54.the other day that it is 20 years ago, which is hard to believe that
:10:55. > :10:58.it is that long, the attack on me in the Royal that the hospital when I
:10:59. > :11:05.was visiting my young boy. -- Royal Victoria Hospital. A long time past
:11:06. > :11:08.and many colleagues in my party and the SDLP and the republican
:11:09. > :11:14.community and elsewhere have all had targeting and attacks on them and
:11:15. > :11:21.people have almost become used to the possibility of letter bombs at
:11:22. > :11:24.one stage and all of that, so yes, I think Northern Ireland politicians
:11:25. > :11:28.relate to this very, very strongly and that's why we feel so much for
:11:29. > :11:32.the family, because we know what it is like to go through this kind of
:11:33. > :11:38.terrible thing, but I think Marcus Wright, hopefully we are coming out
:11:39. > :11:41.of those days, but another terrible threat, the threat that people face
:11:42. > :11:48.from people who may be individually arranged for the new threat of
:11:49. > :11:51.Islamist terrorism, which everybody seems exposed to. Margaret, do you
:11:52. > :11:58.think that today's tragic events will change anything in Westminster?
:11:59. > :12:03.Will it alter the way in which you do your job when you go to London or
:12:04. > :12:07.indeed when you are at home in your constituency, trying to talk to
:12:08. > :12:13.people? We always must remember we are elected to serve and deliver a
:12:14. > :12:18.service to constituents, and by the very nature of that, we will make
:12:19. > :12:21.her accessible to the public. But I would imagine that Westminster will
:12:22. > :12:26.provide us with further advice within the next number of days about
:12:27. > :12:32.how we should deal with our own personal security, high we should
:12:33. > :12:37.deal with staff security, because we have staff at Westminster and at
:12:38. > :12:41.constituency offices. But you can balance that risk against the needs
:12:42. > :12:46.and requirements of your constituents. And of the wider
:12:47. > :12:52.constituency. Representing rural constituency I am required to go the
:12:53. > :12:58.and breadth on the northern end down to Warrenpoint and from Newcastle
:12:59. > :13:02.down to Banbridge. A very heavy constituency, which cannot be dealt
:13:03. > :13:07.solely by constituency office work. It needs be at weekends being out in
:13:08. > :13:14.the constituency, which I am very happy and want to do. OK. It is an
:13:15. > :13:19.unimaginably difficult day for the family of Jo Cox and friends and
:13:20. > :13:21.thank you very much indeed. And we can never forget her in this
:13:22. > :13:28.particular instance, nor her husband or her children. Hear, hear. Thank
:13:29. > :13:30.you for joining us tonight. Now, a leading Orangeman
:13:31. > :13:32.has told this programme that the Orange Order's rejection
:13:33. > :13:35.of plans to reform parading Darryl Hewitt, who's
:13:36. > :13:38.the Portadown District Master, said the plans brought forward
:13:39. > :13:41.by the DUP and Sinn Fein in 2010 to find a political
:13:42. > :13:46.consensus on parading? Our Political Correspondent
:13:47. > :13:57.Stephen Walker's been finding out. We are we we are and we have to move
:13:58. > :14:01.on, we have to move forward. We need a new beginning for parading, the
:14:02. > :14:05.current system is in is not sustainable. I still think we still
:14:06. > :14:15.can resolve the issue. The issue is dialogue. Back in 2010, it looked
:14:16. > :14:20.like the whole issue of parading was going to be resolved. The DUP and
:14:21. > :14:26.Sinn Fein agreed proposals, including abolishing the Parades
:14:27. > :14:29.Commission and introducing a new arbitration and mediation service,
:14:30. > :14:33.along with a code of conduct for marchers and residents, but the
:14:34. > :14:40.plans did not get the support of the Orange Order. Now some think it is
:14:41. > :14:44.time to revisit the 2010 plan. All additions did bring up the agreement
:14:45. > :14:48.five or six years ago and I think if memory serves me correctly it was
:14:49. > :14:53.the Orange institution that rejected it at that stage, so that was I
:14:54. > :14:58.would view a bit of an own-goal but we are aware we are and have to move
:14:59. > :15:02.on, we cannot look backwards but have to move forward. But on
:15:03. > :15:06.reflection was that a mistake by the Orange Order? It was slightly
:15:07. > :15:10.mishandled by the institution but I was not involved, I cannot member of
:15:11. > :15:16.grand Lodge but was disappointed that it was rejected. If the Orange
:15:17. > :15:20.and other royal orders are key so I residents groups. The preferred
:15:21. > :15:24.option is always accommodation but in the absence of agreement you will
:15:25. > :15:31.always need some sort of independent adjudicator. And I think that there
:15:32. > :15:36.was work being done on that over the past number of viewers and I think
:15:37. > :15:50.that probably needs to be taken forward.
:15:51. > :15:53.So is it time to act? They've got enormous mandates, particularly in
:15:54. > :15:58.the DUP, to do almost whatever they want, certainly anything that seemed
:15:59. > :16:06.to be at all reasonable. If they don't do it now, I think you can
:16:07. > :16:11.question are ever going to do it. I think the critical thing here is not
:16:12. > :16:15.Sinn Fein and the DUP sitting down and agreeing a new beginning for
:16:16. > :16:21.parading, it is about getting the key stakeholders, the Orange order,
:16:22. > :16:26.the residents, those with an interest. So it is critical of those
:16:27. > :16:30.discussions and the debate continues. So what is the Orange
:16:31. > :16:45.Order's official view? A spokesman told this
:16:46. > :16:51.programme: it is clear that local solutions have had some effect in
:16:52. > :17:02.reducing tension. This is what the Parades Commission had to say.
:17:03. > :17:09.So so what would a new deal on parading look like? If the Parades
:17:10. > :17:14.Commission were abolished, there would have to be fresh ideas on
:17:15. > :17:18.arbitration and mediation, and a new set of guidelines and a code of
:17:19. > :17:23.conduct for marching and residents. And all the plans would have to be
:17:24. > :17:27.endorsed by the political parties, community groups and the loyal
:17:28. > :17:33.orders. Sinn Fein say much has changed since the 2010 proposals
:17:34. > :17:39.were tabled. Things have improved. There is a better atmosphere for
:17:40. > :17:46.dealing with these things, up in the Assembly as well, so let's hope we
:17:47. > :17:52.can move forward on that basis. But some of it is very basic. In
:17:53. > :17:56.Londonderry dialogue is seen as key, which has led to an accommodation
:17:57. > :18:01.between residents, businesses and the apprentice boys. You've got to
:18:02. > :18:05.listen to the other side, what they say and understand what they are
:18:06. > :18:10.about. This is what we did in Derry and what needs to be done in the
:18:11. > :18:16.north of Ireland across all parading issues. And he believes time is now
:18:17. > :18:20.short. I think this is a great opportunity for the First Minister
:18:21. > :18:23.and Deputy First Minister, they've had a clear window without
:18:24. > :18:28.elections, and I would advise them to grasp this issue, let's create a
:18:29. > :18:34.formula which mirrors the Derrey model but has its own framework for
:18:35. > :18:37.local issues. Arlene Foster and Martin McGuinness have much
:18:38. > :18:41.unfinished business. Striking a deal on parading that carries the support
:18:42. > :18:43.of residents and the loyal orders could enhance their claim that a
:18:44. > :18:51.fresh that really has begun. And with me in the studio
:18:52. > :18:54.is Peter Osborne, the former chair
:18:55. > :18:56.of the Parades Commission, who now heads up the
:18:57. > :19:03.Community Relations Council. You were appointed chair of the
:19:04. > :19:08.Commission in 2011, one year after the Orange order stock those DUP/
:19:09. > :19:14.Sinn Fein plans. Are they no worth revisiting? Whenever I talk to
:19:15. > :19:18.people over the last year or two certainly, I think there is a
:19:19. > :19:25.growing consensus around some of these things. I would look at the
:19:26. > :19:29.2013, 2014, Stormont house agreement, I think the parties were
:19:30. > :19:32.saying these issues have to be devolved, they were saying there
:19:33. > :19:37.needs to be a body that looks at making decisions around parades, a
:19:38. > :19:42.body looking at mediation. They talk about criteria, the code of conduct.
:19:43. > :19:47.So I think the nuances and the messages and the mood music in the
:19:48. > :19:52.report are quite positive, because I think there is a consensus growing
:19:53. > :19:58.around that, within communities, within political parties. The issue
:19:59. > :20:03.is of course how we get there. Some of the later developments are to
:20:04. > :20:07.some extent, some people might say, aspirational, but there is a bit of
:20:08. > :20:10.detail in that 2010 deal about some of the nitty-gritty, some of the
:20:11. > :20:15.more difficult issues. Which has clearly been agreed in the past by
:20:16. > :20:17.them, which if you resurrected it now would actually potentially take
:20:18. > :20:32.you forward in leaps and bounds. There
:20:33. > :20:34.are lots of details about the 2010 proposals, some are mirrored in the
:20:35. > :20:36.2013 proposals, some in the discussions we saw from that report.
:20:37. > :20:39.For example, some big-ticket issues, can this issue be devolved? I think
:20:40. > :20:48.everybody is saying, yes like, let's devolve it. Can the Assembly hall to
:20:49. > :20:57.account a body like the Parades Commission? I think they can, very
:20:58. > :21:01.robustly. -- hold to account. We want this openness and transparency
:21:02. > :21:08.in this discussion. The point about 2010, 2013 and 2014 is hugely
:21:09. > :21:12.important, because this is about dialogue, this is about people being
:21:13. > :21:18.motivated to find agreement, but building relationships, about
:21:19. > :21:23.showing leadership. So local ownership of the process is
:21:24. > :21:27.important. Yes, if you look back 1015 years, there would have been
:21:28. > :21:31.places on the tip of a time when it came to disputes around parading. We
:21:32. > :21:36.don't think about those places now because of local agreements that
:21:37. > :21:39.have been facilitated or decisions taken that people have accepted as
:21:40. > :21:43.fair and balanced. What that comes down to at the end of the day is, do
:21:44. > :21:46.local people have the motivation to reach an agreement which might mean
:21:47. > :21:52.compromise, have they got relationships and trust, is their
:21:53. > :21:57.agreement to drive forward and initiative or get the backs of
:21:58. > :22:01.people participating in one. Londonderry has shown what can be
:22:02. > :22:05.done, but he is quite right to say there is not a model, but there are
:22:06. > :22:10.principles that are really important and have been shown to work time and
:22:11. > :22:15.time and time again. Is this to do with just a wider political maturity
:22:16. > :22:19.that has taken place, we now have the template of what has happened in
:22:20. > :22:26.the North West, we seem year after that it can work and will work, so
:22:27. > :22:29.that's an example to other places to follow that lead, but also
:22:30. > :22:34.politicians on the ground and at Stormont are in a better place than
:22:35. > :22:39.six years ago? Is that what you're saying? I think Derry Londonderry
:22:40. > :22:43.has shown what can happen when there is a generous majority and a
:22:44. > :22:48.reciprocation from a generous minority. It is in everybody's
:22:49. > :22:53.interests to make things work, and they are doing incredibly well. You
:22:54. > :22:57.get a sense there is a different political field to things, but also
:22:58. > :23:01.a lot of this is common sense. Whenever you have a dispute around
:23:02. > :23:05.parading or anything else, we cannot walk alone, we cannot resolve these
:23:06. > :23:10.issues on one side of the community alone. If we're going to resolve the
:23:11. > :23:13.issues at a local issue -- Neville, people have to be mindful what
:23:14. > :23:19.people on the other side of the believe. -- at a local level. Then
:23:20. > :23:23.you can progress to a resolution that meets the needs of both sides
:23:24. > :23:28.of the community. That's what they've done in Derry Londonderry.
:23:29. > :23:31.We understand the Portadown district has offered to talk to local
:23:32. > :23:37.residents. Is that the kind of meeting you think should take place?
:23:38. > :23:46.The Portadown dispute has been going over many years now, and all of the
:23:47. > :23:50.utmost respect everybody involved -- for everybody. The conversations
:23:51. > :23:56.I've had with people the show, and if that review the Commission did 23
:23:57. > :24:00.years ago showed an overwhelming majority of people in Portadown want
:24:01. > :24:07.to move on from this. -- two or years ago. But there was a
:24:08. > :24:11.reluctance to talk to local residents. One of the things I would
:24:12. > :24:17.say is that sometimes the tactics have got in the way of the tactics.
:24:18. > :24:21.I think one of the things the distributor think about is as they
:24:22. > :24:26.apply and try to walk down the road every Sunday, which they still do,
:24:27. > :24:30.every single Sunday, they parade to the bridge, the police stopped them.
:24:31. > :24:34.While they are doing that, and on the other hand saying we want to
:24:35. > :24:38.talk, sometimes one tactic actually gets in the way of another. I think
:24:39. > :24:42.the Portadown district should think about suspending this parades for a
:24:43. > :24:48.period of time while they look at what options are around. I'm not
:24:49. > :24:51.sure they will see whether there are options until they start to look
:24:52. > :24:57.differently at the weekly parade. So if they were to do that and suspend
:24:58. > :25:03.or call of their weekly parade, the offer for talks might be more warmly
:25:04. > :25:07.received by people who live locally? Locally I think people will say this
:25:08. > :25:11.issues is in the past and they are not good to be visited, but the
:25:12. > :25:14.district will not know the options until they look differently at the
:25:15. > :25:19.weekly parade, because I think it gets in the way, to look for a
:25:20. > :25:23.weekly parade were also saying we want to see options for moving this
:25:24. > :25:28.thing forward. At the launch of the people's Park last year, the
:25:29. > :25:31.messages coming from unionists, nationalists, Republicans alike, was
:25:32. > :25:38.that Portadown is looking to the future, and we are now looking
:25:39. > :25:42.beyond 2016. One last thing, what would underpin any movement on
:25:43. > :25:48.parades is the Commission on flags, identity and culture. And allowing
:25:49. > :25:52.them to get on with the job in hand. Has anyone in Stormont been in touch
:25:53. > :25:55.with you in the community relations Council in terms of identifying
:25:56. > :26:00.targets, building on the work we've already done to move that process
:26:01. > :26:04.forward? There's a lot of work the council is doing specifically on
:26:05. > :26:10.that Commission they have not, I'm not aware of that. And that
:26:11. > :26:14.something you regret? No, I think they've applied for people to be
:26:15. > :26:18.part of the Commission. I'm not so worried about a couple of months
:26:19. > :26:22.delay in appointing those people, my issue is I think that Commission has
:26:23. > :26:26.a great opportunity to take us forward into different places and
:26:27. > :26:29.when cultural identity. I think our society is so rich in culture on
:26:30. > :26:35.both sides of the community, is about getting the best out of both
:26:36. > :26:40.main traditions and the other communities coming in. And new
:26:41. > :26:46.intercultural Northern Ireland. My concern is I don't think it is an 18
:26:47. > :26:50.month project, but a two, three year project. But if they do it right,
:26:51. > :26:51.it's a huge opportunity to take us forward for a new perspective on
:26:52. > :26:53.these issues. And that prospect of a possible
:26:54. > :26:57.resolution on parades will no doubt elicit some strong views
:26:58. > :27:06.in commentators corner Welcome to you both. Let's talk
:27:07. > :27:12.about parades. Is there do you think, having seen that report, a
:27:13. > :27:17.chink of light that seemingly intractable problems might at last
:27:18. > :27:22.be sold? I think what we've seen over the last number of years is
:27:23. > :27:27.that the parade has become less -- less of an issue. The Sting has been
:27:28. > :27:32.taken out of parades, there have been quiet conversations taking
:27:33. > :27:37.place between the loyal orders and residents' groups, and that always
:27:38. > :27:41.did it to happen, and I think when the Orange order allowed talks at a
:27:42. > :27:47.local level, that facilitated the local lodges in making that work. I
:27:48. > :27:52.also think that progressive elements, and there is a difference
:27:53. > :28:00.in Belfast and Derry and other lodges West, so there is I think
:28:01. > :28:04.more pressure coming from more urban centres to try and resolve all of
:28:05. > :28:09.these issues. And I do think the statement and a report earlier
:28:10. > :28:17.provides hope for that. Chris, are you optimistic? Well he said the
:28:18. > :28:24.rejecting the deal at St Andrews was an own goal. In relation to
:28:25. > :28:30.Drumcree, it's a case that the match is over, the teams have left the
:28:31. > :28:34.pitch. It's a problem that's solved, and I think the better atmosphere
:28:35. > :28:38.surrounding parades, other than the Crumlin Road won over the past
:28:39. > :28:43.decade, has been perhaps because there has been a recognition across
:28:44. > :28:48.society that we are moving forward. Revisiting those issues, like
:28:49. > :28:53.Portadown, would endanger us in a sense, the hostilities that existed
:28:54. > :28:59.for a good decade in the early part of the century created problems in
:29:00. > :29:04.parades and a lot of areas that have now fizzled out. And parades are
:29:05. > :29:09.taking part -- placed more normally. The match is probably over for one
:29:10. > :29:16.side, but probably not the other. I think the terms of the plate will
:29:17. > :29:20.change, because of this field is unfinished business. -- the play.
:29:21. > :29:33.Let's talk about the other issue, the murder of Jo Cox. When we expect
:29:34. > :29:37.our MPs to be available to members of the public, they can be
:29:38. > :29:42.vulnerable. Yes, and I think cynicism can carry -- characterise
:29:43. > :29:48.discussions about politicians. That can cloud people's recognition that
:29:49. > :29:53.the overwhelming number of politics -- politicians I think are motivated
:29:54. > :29:57.by a desire to serve for the public good. Nigel Dodds made the point,
:29:58. > :30:07.Unionists, Republicans, right across the spectrum, if we look at Jo Cox,
:30:08. > :30:10.her background, she served as a policy for Oxfam, she was a
:30:11. > :30:15.passionate advocate for Syrian civilians. And for the people of
:30:16. > :30:19.Palestine. So clearly she was motivated by the common good. Her
:30:20. > :30:21.husband we did very well when he said, she had a zest for life that
:30:22. > :30:32.would exhaust most people. And the murder was condemned across
:30:33. > :30:37.the board, which we reflected, but also locally by the First Minister,
:30:38. > :30:42.Deputy First Minister and the leaders of the Ulster Unionist Party
:30:43. > :30:48.and the SDLP. Yes, an attack on our democracy when one of ministers is
:30:49. > :30:52.attacked and no doubt Jo made her stamp in Parliament and in her
:30:53. > :30:56.constituency in one short year in public life, but will certainly be
:30:57. > :31:00.remembered for the moves she has made, she has been praised for her
:31:01. > :31:05.work on bringing Syrian refugees to the UK, so she certainly left her
:31:06. > :31:15.mark. We are looking on screen at some of the tweets from various
:31:16. > :31:22.political figures. And also one from the Alliance Party. She talks about
:31:23. > :31:27.heartbreaking news. Reflecting I think the shock that has been felt.
:31:28. > :31:33.As I said within the Westminster bubble and way beyond it. Yes, and
:31:34. > :31:36.the point was made earlier in what I thought was a very good discussion
:31:37. > :31:41.with Nigel Dodds and Margaret Ritchie. We have come from that
:31:42. > :31:48.background and know what it is like in terms of politicians being
:31:49. > :31:53.targeted. We are moving forward, but this is a stark reminder of a dark
:31:54. > :31:57.time. Doran, you were that elected representative, that public figure,
:31:58. > :32:03.high marks that this way on your mind? -- is Dawn Purvis, you were
:32:04. > :32:07.that elected representative. You are vulnerable but have to be aware of
:32:08. > :32:11.your own security but also remain open and accessible and if you are
:32:12. > :32:15.in public life your door has to be open, you are there to serve the
:32:16. > :32:21.public and the public come in all shapes and sizes, people who are
:32:22. > :32:25.very articulate and well versed in what they want help with and others
:32:26. > :32:26.who are far more vulnerable but your door remains open for them all.
:32:27. > :32:27.Thank you both very much indeed. That's it from The View
:32:28. > :32:29.for this week. Join me for Sunday Politics
:32:30. > :32:33.at 11.35, here on BBC One.