:00:00. > :00:00.The stakes have been raised and tempers are beginning to fray
:00:07. > :00:08.as the Brexit negotiations begin and Brussels is accused
:00:09. > :00:13.Tonight on The View, just how difficult is this two year
:00:14. > :00:37.A massive divorce bill, strained dinner conversations,
:00:38. > :00:41.accusation and counter accusation - the discussions over Brexit
:00:42. > :00:45.are shaping up to be an ill-tempered two-year marathon.
:00:46. > :00:49.I'll be asking the SDLP's Mark Durkan, a keen Europhile,
:00:50. > :00:52.and DUP Brexiteer Gavin Robinson for their thoughts.
:00:53. > :00:55.Also tonight: The View goes to the movies.
:00:56. > :00:58.With the release of The Journey, we look at some of the best
:00:59. > :01:11.How can we even contemplate doing that?
:01:12. > :01:14.Waiting in the wings, hot-foot from the premiere of the new film,
:01:15. > :01:16.I'll be joined by Timothy Spall and Colm Meaney.
:01:17. > :01:18.Making a starry return to Commentators' Corner,
:01:19. > :01:25.Deirdre Heenan and Newton Emerson are back in harness.
:01:26. > :01:28.The guidelines have been agreed and a divorce
:01:29. > :01:30.bill is being drawn up, but as the Brexit negotiations
:01:31. > :01:32.move up a gear, so too have the recriminations.
:01:33. > :01:36.Nigel Farage has accused Brussels of "stoking Irish nationalism",
:01:37. > :01:40.while Theresa May has accused the EU of meddling in the general election.
:01:41. > :01:43.Add in the complete absence of an Executive at Stormont,
:01:44. > :01:45.and questions about the lack of input from this part
:01:46. > :01:51.With me now are Gavin Robinson of the DUP and, in our Foyle studio,
:01:52. > :02:00.Gavin Robinson, do you share Nigel Farage's view that the EU
:02:01. > :02:02.is prepared to stoke Irish nationalism to make life
:02:03. > :02:12.as difficult as possible for the UK in future Brexit negotiations?
:02:13. > :02:19.I've never taken Nigel Farage's bleed on Brexit or anything else. It
:02:20. > :02:24.is clear that there are those who are trying to associate the decision
:02:25. > :02:27.that the United Kingdom has taken to leave the European Union to fuel
:02:28. > :02:34.some sort of aspirin few that Ireland could unify with the Irish
:02:35. > :02:38.Republic. That will not happen with this process. For all of the fears
:02:39. > :02:43.and concerns that people may legitimately have about leaving the
:02:44. > :02:48.EU, any unification would be a disaster for this province. So when
:02:49. > :02:51.Nigel Farage talks about the situation being delivered and
:02:52. > :02:57.contemptible, you don't agree with them? The Irish nationalists who
:02:58. > :03:03.believe this is a pathway to a united Ireland are over egging the
:03:04. > :03:08.pudding. He is saying that? 20 of them. Whether it was the Assembly
:03:09. > :03:11.election this year were the referendum last year, plenty of
:03:12. > :03:15.nationalists and republicans have sought to destabilise politics in
:03:16. > :03:22.Northern Ireland, they suggest they are on the up under border poll is
:03:23. > :03:26.imminent. Have heard that. You will question people about it. It is not
:03:27. > :03:33.a likely prospect. Take this time last year, not only you have
:03:34. > :03:37.European officials, Enda Kenny and Theresa May saying we would not be
:03:38. > :03:44.able to deal with issues around the border. Nobody is saying that now.
:03:45. > :03:47.While there is a lot of megaphone diplomacy from Brussels and Downing
:03:48. > :03:50.Street over the course of the next five week campaign, while some of
:03:51. > :03:54.these issues are coming to the surface, where there is a strong
:03:55. > :03:59.response from Northern Ireland to make sure we can deal with these
:04:00. > :04:04.issues that Brexit will mean we have to face, but we can get into some
:04:05. > :04:10.constitutionally difficult discussion about the unification of
:04:11. > :04:13.Ireland, that's for the best. As an Irish nationalist, producing these
:04:14. > :04:18.Brexit the goosy agents are a road map to a united Ireland? The Brexit
:04:19. > :04:24.because Haitians themselves aren't. There are taken place because there
:04:25. > :04:27.was a referendum, a result we disagreed with and the people of the
:04:28. > :04:33.north disagreed with, the North voted a different way from other
:04:34. > :04:37.parts of the UK along with Scotland. If anything has still to Irish
:04:38. > :04:40.nationalism it is the fact that people perceive that Brexit course
:04:41. > :04:43.with little regard to the consequences for the Good Friday
:04:44. > :04:48.Agreement, for the potential impact on the agreement and its workings.
:04:49. > :04:52.People were completely insensitive to the clear which is of the
:04:53. > :04:55.majority of people in Northern Ireland and that insensitivity came
:04:56. > :05:00.not just from the British government but also from the DUP. That is one
:05:01. > :05:05.of the things that have led to the discolouration of politics here over
:05:06. > :05:10.the past year. Now this situation is top of the agenda. Somehow or other
:05:11. > :05:17.Irish politicians or diplomats have this really high up. And rightly so.
:05:18. > :05:21.It is a point I have consistently made. On the day of the referendum
:05:22. > :05:26.result they called for the Taoiseach to set up an All-Ireland dialogue in
:05:27. > :05:33.relation to Brexit to take account of all the different sectoral
:05:34. > :05:37.interests and its impact on the Good Friday Agreement. I argued in
:05:38. > :05:42.Parliament that the privacy of the consent precept of the Good Friday
:05:43. > :05:47.Agreement had to be protected in terms of a united Ireland. We had to
:05:48. > :05:50.make sure that any referendum on a united Ireland would not be subject
:05:51. > :05:54.to the kind of uncertainties and confusions that played into the
:05:55. > :05:58.Scottish referendum by people saying, well, just because the
:05:59. > :06:02.referendum is making a decision about the constitutional status,
:06:03. > :06:05.that does not take care of the question of European Union
:06:06. > :06:08.membership. The Supreme Court decision earlier this year was one
:06:09. > :06:15.where people were saying the Supreme Court is saying the decision on
:06:16. > :06:20.Constitutional status is separate to the European Union membership, which
:06:21. > :06:22.is why the Brexit did not reach the Good Friday Agreement consent
:06:23. > :06:32.principle is as far as the Supreme Court was concerned. The Taoiseach
:06:33. > :06:36.was right and showed good guardianship of the agreement in
:06:37. > :06:39.making sure that there was no ambiguity about this. This is
:06:40. > :06:42.something that the British government should have been
:06:43. > :06:49.clarifying, and finally did when David Davis wrote to me when he was
:06:50. > :06:53.asked that the Brexit Secretary. This clarification from big European
:06:54. > :06:57.Council is simply a technicality in the margins which is just said to
:06:58. > :07:02.one side. It is not the opening of a serious conversation about Irish
:07:03. > :07:08.unity, is there but you're saying? It is not a mere technicality. We
:07:09. > :07:16.are protecting a precept of the Good Friday Agreement. Whatever about the
:07:17. > :07:19.referendum result for Brexit, there an overwhelming referendum result
:07:20. > :07:23.for the Good Friday Agreement in Ireland. The point about this being
:07:24. > :07:27.reflected in the EU position is to make it clear that Northern Ireland
:07:28. > :07:33.it is one part of the UK there can be join the EU in future without an
:07:34. > :07:37.Article 49 negotiation. That is not true of the UK as a whole or
:07:38. > :07:41.Scotland. That different shows that Northern Ireland is in a different
:07:42. > :07:46.position from the rest of the UK. We are different because of citizenship
:07:47. > :07:51.in the future, being able to be EU citizens because of the virtue of
:07:52. > :07:55.being Irish citizens. Those two key differences provide a basis for us
:07:56. > :08:03.having a different approach under Brexit, what people might call
:08:04. > :08:10.special status. Do you accept that? It is quite a nuanced position
:08:11. > :08:14.there. It is not necessarily the case that this clarification from
:08:15. > :08:19.the European Council is a building block towards the outcome of a
:08:20. > :08:24.united Ireland. Do you accept that? I don't think it is, that's not what
:08:25. > :08:27.I was saying either. The point is that Irish nationalists are even
:08:28. > :08:32.saying that. That wasn't the point I was making at the start of that
:08:33. > :08:36.interview. It was well summed up by this point in Northern Ireland and
:08:37. > :08:39.the Republic of Ireland were to join together we would be part of the
:08:40. > :08:44.European Union. It was fairly summarised by Sam McBride at the
:08:45. > :08:49.weekend, the political editor of the newsletter, he said of course would
:08:50. > :08:52.happen. It would be the same as when he is Germany and West Germany came
:08:53. > :08:58.together. You wouldn't expect one to be a member and whatnot. It is a
:08:59. > :09:03.falsehood point, not something I am hung up on whatsoever. The
:09:04. > :09:07.difficulty and all of this is that the beginning of the brains of
:09:08. > :09:12.negotiations have been very ill tempered. There isn't much of a sign
:09:13. > :09:17.that things will come down in the months and years ahead, and we don't
:09:18. > :09:21.have a voice at the table. There is no executive here, nobody in
:09:22. > :09:24.particular what could have individual speaking on behalf of the
:09:25. > :09:29.people of Northern Ireland. And up until the dissolution of parliament
:09:30. > :09:32.we had Sammy Wilson on the Brexit committee, Mark was the other
:09:33. > :09:36.Northern Ireland voice on that committee. Mark was disingenuous
:09:37. > :09:39.when he said the British government weren't taking the issues around
:09:40. > :09:47.Northern Ireland seriously because any time there was a statement in
:09:48. > :09:49.Westminster Northern Ireland was top of the agenda. They recognise a
:09:50. > :09:52.geographical position and our relationship with the Irish
:09:53. > :09:57.Republic. But no voice. And that is a huge difficulty. We want to see a
:09:58. > :10:00.return to Stormont, we want to have a voice and work with people in
:10:01. > :10:04.Northern Ireland who collectively can put their children to the
:10:05. > :10:11.wheeled ants show that where there are issues of common cause that we
:10:12. > :10:15.can put a unified argument to the United Kingdom government and to the
:10:16. > :10:21.European Commission. Nobody wants to see this as a failure. Nobody wants
:10:22. > :10:26.to see the UK leaving the European Union to be a disaster. We want to
:10:27. > :10:32.see it succeed, see Northern Ireland take full advantage of it, but where
:10:33. > :10:34.we have issues, the border connections, trade connections,
:10:35. > :10:42.family connections, we need to work together to Major Sharia get the
:10:43. > :10:48.best deal. Sammy Wilson thinks there are opportunities, Mark Durkan seems
:10:49. > :10:52.to be against that. Saami will not go to it being either a total
:10:53. > :10:57.success were a total disaster. With a return to Stormont, with a unified
:10:58. > :11:08.message, and going and arguing for those conditions, we should do that.
:11:09. > :11:12.Needn't think that Brexit really presents us with opportunities, you
:11:13. > :11:17.don't think it is a good idea? I don't think Brexit is a good idea
:11:18. > :11:24.but I know that it is going to happen, barring some amazing twist
:11:25. > :11:28.on circumstances. I recognise that Brexit poses problems for the Good
:11:29. > :11:31.Friday Agreement, but more positively I recognise that the Good
:11:32. > :11:34.Friday Agreement offers us a lot of answers to the problems and risks
:11:35. > :11:40.that come from Brexit, particularly on this island. Kenji and people
:11:41. > :11:44.like Sammy Wilson agree on what those possibilities are? Maybe it is
:11:45. > :11:50.hard and circumstances were people have been in denial over some of the
:11:51. > :11:53.problem that Brexit to create, and the DUP sender could be no
:11:54. > :11:58.differentiation of the Northern Irish position from anywhere else in
:11:59. > :12:02.the UK, whereas there is a clear basis for differentiation. We can
:12:03. > :12:07.use that to our advantage. The Good Friday Agreement gives us a
:12:08. > :12:14.distinctive focus in relation to devolution and the plastic gambit of
:12:15. > :12:19.strand two. The European Union 27 said at the weekend, that they want
:12:20. > :12:24.to respect bilateral agreements and all of its strands. He also said
:12:25. > :12:28.they want to be flexible enough and imaginative in relation to Ireland.
:12:29. > :12:32.Strand two is the gambit whereby we can bring forward a room flexibility
:12:33. > :12:37.and imagination. For Strand two to operate we need an executive in the
:12:38. > :12:44.North. We need Strand want to be operating a Strand two will operate
:12:45. > :12:49.as well. We need to get the executive established. We need to
:12:50. > :12:54.use Strand two to say that in sector after sector, has a cannon Strand
:12:55. > :12:57.two, want the island to be treated as a single market. We want the
:12:58. > :13:02.North to be treated on a lean to basis with the South as far as EU
:13:03. > :13:03.programmes are concerned and I think the EU would be as supportive in
:13:04. > :13:14.that regard. Gavin Robinson, do you like any of
:13:15. > :13:19.that? It's as an extension of the special status that has until now
:13:20. > :13:23.been ill-defined. We're not going to leave one it in single market of the
:13:24. > :13:26.European Union to join one with the Irish Republic when trade with the
:13:27. > :13:32.Irish Republic is a quarter of what we do the rest of Great Britain. So
:13:33. > :13:37.what more can -- Mark Durkan has just outlined you don't shout? We
:13:38. > :13:43.did say from the weekend that there were going to be considerations
:13:44. > :13:47.given to how good pass from the UK to the Republic of Ireland as one
:13:48. > :13:52.example. And that is the sort of discussion which is important. But
:13:53. > :14:00.also need to get over some of those hurdles people have raised as
:14:01. > :14:03.customs barriers and the like. OK, to be polite about it coming he's
:14:04. > :14:09.just thrown back in your face, Mark Durkan. Doesn't sound like he agrees
:14:10. > :14:13.with what you just said? He obviously hasn't listen to what I
:14:14. > :14:17.just said. If he just doesn't closely, he would find it isn't very
:14:18. > :14:21.different from what Arlene Foster along with Martin McGuinness and
:14:22. > :14:25.Theresa May said last summer, saying we want to take care of the single
:14:26. > :14:29.market in electricity on the island. There are many areas we want to say
:14:30. > :14:35.woman to see the island treated as a single market. There are areas of
:14:36. > :14:41.cooperation and joint in fermentation, the EU will respect
:14:42. > :14:45.that. The means of maintaining sectors such as agriculture, why
:14:46. > :14:47.shouldn't we do it? Thank you both very much indeed.
:14:48. > :14:50.When Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness went into government
:14:51. > :14:52.together a decade ago, it was a partnership that few had
:14:53. > :14:56.The film that imagines how the two men broke the ice and ultimately
:14:57. > :14:59.became friends had its local premiere in Belfast tonight.
:15:00. > :15:02.The Journey is a fictional account of their first meeting by the Bangor
:15:03. > :15:04.writer Colin Bateman and it stars Timothy Spall and Colm Meaney.
:15:05. > :15:07.I'll be talking to both men in just a moment.
:15:08. > :15:09.But first, here's Stephen Walker on the challenge of making a good
:15:10. > :15:36.Over the years, we've witnessed many films about the Troubles that are
:15:37. > :15:42.taken real life events and dramatise them, like Bloody Sunday and the
:15:43. > :15:45.hunger strike. It seems like Northern Ireland and the box office
:15:46. > :15:52.go hand-in-hand, but what makes a good film about this place? Ian
:15:53. > :15:55.McAvennie is one of our best-known actors and starred in many movies
:15:56. > :16:03.about Northern Ireland. -- Ian McElhinney. I don't think you quite
:16:04. > :16:10.know who I am. To be honest times I think, that I don't want to watch is
:16:11. > :16:14.any more. It's not benefiting me to watch this. The irony as I might be
:16:15. > :16:20.part of the making of it, because at the end of the day I have to make my
:16:21. > :16:23.living. But there would be times when I would feel disenchanted about
:16:24. > :16:34.watching yet another piece about here. Ian McElhinney's latest film
:16:35. > :16:45.is The Journey,. That's the first time you've said we. I think, in
:16:46. > :16:52.mathematical terms, the higher at the the movie, quite possibly. I
:16:53. > :16:59.think the movies that work best that I made about here are the smaller
:17:00. > :17:02.films like the hunger, which focused on smaller interactions, more
:17:03. > :17:08.intimate stories, rather than the big, blockbuster thrillers. The
:17:09. > :17:11.Troubles presented film makers with real-life drama, but which once
:17:12. > :17:20.worked as a piece of cinema, and which productions should have stayed
:17:21. > :17:28.on the cutting room floor? There are films that we would laugh at. Like
:17:29. > :17:31.Brad Pitt with a bad accent in The Devil's Own, which made from
:17:32. > :17:36.Northern Ireland to Boston. Which did very well over there, but
:17:37. > :17:40.luckily both sides are ready just laughed at it. It was the same with
:17:41. > :17:46.Mickey Rourke, with an even worse accent. Mickey Rourke is a terrorist
:17:47. > :17:54.who killed for a cause he believed in. Now, he wants out. It was just
:17:55. > :18:01.so far removed from the reality we know. I said no! Server every really
:18:02. > :18:07.bad one or get one, there are ones that are very worthy. For example,
:18:08. > :18:13.Byker Titanic town, with Julie Walters. Hidden Agenda was one of
:18:14. > :18:16.the first to even suggest there might be collusion between
:18:17. > :18:26.paramilitaries and the security forces. But have we had our Phil of
:18:27. > :18:30.Troubles bones. There is a time when the price becomes too much to pay
:18:31. > :18:38.for the cause. What difference does it make if a British soldier kills a
:18:39. > :18:40.child, it is still a dead child! They are not necessarily about
:18:41. > :18:45.violence in society, because there is a lot of normality and our world,
:18:46. > :18:52.but it is not necessarily reflected on-screen. I'm going to have a baby,
:18:53. > :19:03.which means those two dirty, useless things, have to go. No, not our
:19:04. > :19:08.chickens! I don't think you can have enough. The Vietnam War, I think,
:19:09. > :19:15.some of the best movies about that in a more didn't come out until 2030
:19:16. > :19:20.years after it finished. That's I think it's a golden time for a bus
:19:21. > :19:26.to be telling stories about our country. Bronagh Taggart starred in
:19:27. > :19:31.the BBC series The Fall. She's also made a film set in which is a family
:19:32. > :19:36.drama with a boxing background. She says Troubles films are only part of
:19:37. > :19:40.the story. I think a lot of people know the very political films that
:19:41. > :19:43.come out of Northern Ireland, there are quite high profile and people
:19:44. > :19:49.there for November. But I don't think they're the only ones that are
:19:50. > :19:55.telling their stories there at the minute are telling faced mix of
:19:56. > :19:58.political and personal. I think it will simply be like that in Northern
:19:59. > :20:06.Ireland. Northern Ireland is now a much used location for filming, and
:20:07. > :20:08.financial support from bodies like 3rd Northern Ireland screen has
:20:09. > :20:14.made this part of the world attracted to production companies.
:20:15. > :20:19.There are new tales to be told when it comes to capturing the story of
:20:20. > :20:25.Northern Ireland on film, our troubled past is never too far away.
:20:26. > :20:32.People don't understand what happens after. Liam Neeson ending that
:20:33. > :20:37.report by Stephen Walker, and I am pleased to say Tim baseball and Colm
:20:38. > :20:42.Meaney join me now. They give a join us on the programme. Do you except
:20:43. > :20:50.the film is a piece that is likely to be viewed differently here to
:20:51. > :20:53.just about anywhere else? I think the audience here is much more
:20:54. > :20:58.knowledgeable about the events that took place and much more familiar
:20:59. > :21:10.with them and the two central characters. I think when we were
:21:11. > :21:17.making the film, which was the end to tears and 15, less than a year
:21:18. > :21:25.and a half ago, but the world has changed so much. -- was the end of
:21:26. > :21:28.2015. You had Brexit, President Trump, the Assembly stand-off here,
:21:29. > :21:34.we sold the film has been an inspirational story about two guys
:21:35. > :21:39.who come from polar opposite positions and managed to come to an
:21:40. > :21:43.agreement. We saw this as, I suppose, a done deal here, and it
:21:44. > :21:51.would be an inspirational story for other conflicts around the world. So
:21:52. > :21:55.now we find ourselves here today seeing a film that is very much
:21:56. > :22:03.relevant to hear again. So I don't know that it's... I hope the film
:22:04. > :22:07.has a universal appeal and relevance. As a reaction different
:22:08. > :22:19.here then you have picked up elsewhere? It's only really, apart
:22:20. > :22:22.from Venice, which was a wonderfully well-received place, it's obviously
:22:23. > :22:30.got to be different here because of its immediacy. The thing about this
:22:31. > :22:34.story is that you people watching it are the experts, as I said in a
:22:35. > :22:38.press conference the other day. I was temporary very mindful of and
:22:39. > :22:42.concerned that if I took this on, I wasn't going to step on anybody's
:22:43. > :22:47.sensibilities here. But the thing that pushed me across that worry was
:22:48. > :22:53.that when I thought about it objectively, the film, as Colm says,
:22:54. > :23:01.is a massive beacon for conflict resolution. It's realisation, a take
:23:02. > :23:07.on a possibility, we're not reporting it to be a real story,
:23:08. > :23:15.it's based on a possibility, it is a massively positive story about two
:23:16. > :23:18.absolutely opposing ideologies on something that I did think was ever
:23:19. > :23:22.going to be resolved, and they did it. You met the Paisley family
:23:23. > :23:29.today, what was their view on the project? I met Ian Paisley Junior
:23:30. > :23:37.and Baroness Paisley, and Ian has Robert Lee said today -- has
:23:38. > :23:40.publicly said today that he thinks it's positive thing. Baroness
:23:41. > :23:48.Paisley doesn't want to see it because of her massive memory of Ian
:23:49. > :23:51.and it's still raw, but she suggested that she was quite pleased
:23:52. > :23:57.that it was happening. I was very, very pleased to meet her and meet
:23:58. > :24:03.both of them today, because, as a human being to another human being,
:24:04. > :24:06.I was very concerned, this is a cherished memory and cherish love
:24:07. > :24:11.for her, so I was pleased to meet her and had a very nice time with
:24:12. > :24:16.her, actually. It is fascinating, many people watching this programme
:24:17. > :24:19.tonight will have known my to mimic -- no-one Martin McGuinness or Ian
:24:20. > :24:23.Paisley and will have liked them or dislike them very much indeed. Ian
:24:24. > :24:28.Paisley is now a historical figure because he died some years ago. But
:24:29. > :24:32.when you make the film, Martin McGuinness was alive and well. He is
:24:33. > :24:39.no longer with us, so he is also a historical figure. I mean, you met
:24:40. > :24:44.him once, you him a bit? And four try, yeah, it is the case that he is
:24:45. > :24:51.now a historical figure. -- unfortunately, yeah, it is the case.
:24:52. > :24:54.His death is such a tragedy. He was too young, he had an awful lot to
:24:55. > :25:01.offer and I think he's sorely missed. Today, in the political
:25:02. > :25:12.arena. And, of course, a personal loss to his family. From our point
:25:13. > :25:16.of view, our personal point of view, I would love Martin to have seen the
:25:17. > :25:22.film and heard some of his right, humorous comment about it. I'm sure
:25:23. > :25:27.he was given me a few pointers and last about it. To what extent was
:25:28. > :25:31.that an issue for both of you when you are making the film? Did you
:25:32. > :25:38.think about Martin McGuinness seeing the film when you outreach eating
:25:39. > :25:42.it? Divac Russia mind, did you -- did that cross your mind, did you
:25:43. > :25:47.think about it? The script was beautifully written by Colin
:25:48. > :25:53.Bateman, and that is what we were going to shoot, so I knew that.
:25:54. > :25:59.There wasn't any issue of shipping it or honing it to please either
:26:00. > :26:04.constituency. I think ten would agree that both Martin and his
:26:05. > :26:11.family and the Paisley family never asked for or demanded any editorial
:26:12. > :26:18.input or otherwise. Timothy, what about the challenge of drinks unlike
:26:19. > :26:21.Ian Paisley on the big screen? -- of portraying Ian Paisley on the big
:26:22. > :26:27.screen. You don't come from this part of the world, he was a larger
:26:28. > :26:31.than life character, you don't look particularly like him, but you do in
:26:32. > :26:38.the film. But you don't want that portrayal to lapse into caricature.
:26:39. > :26:45.So how did you approach it? Obviously, I was more than acutely
:26:46. > :26:50.aware of this position here and also you'd have to be blind not to notice
:26:51. > :26:54.he was a man of huge idiosyncrasy and huge charisma. Whether you agree
:26:55. > :27:07.with him or not. I don't think that was in dispute. I've played several
:27:08. > :27:10.people, people who were still alive or recent historical figures, and I
:27:11. > :27:14.was of the same thing - my job is to look at what they are,
:27:15. > :27:19.take on board what they are physically and idiosyncratically,
:27:20. > :27:23.but fundamentally my job is to make an emotional connection via my
:27:24. > :27:29.imagination and research. And I would often go way, way back in the
:27:30. > :27:32.good people -- pictures of people when they were children before had
:27:33. > :27:36.the layers and tapestry of sophistication to try and to tap
:27:37. > :27:40.into things, right down to ground level, to see what make people take
:27:41. > :27:45.and make an emotional connection as well as an intellectual one. An
:27:46. > :27:51.absolutely empathise. I dropped my own prejudices about anything and
:27:52. > :27:55.see it from their point of view. What about the key issue which many
:27:56. > :27:58.people have seen the film have talked about, the fact there's is a
:27:59. > :28:02.remarkable story for stop the journey these people take in reality
:28:03. > :28:07.was remarkable and frankly unbelievable and unpredictable, but
:28:08. > :28:11.it happened. Many people say that in itself would have been a fascinating
:28:12. > :28:15.film. But what Colin Bateman and Nick can have done is take that and
:28:16. > :28:18.whereupon it another layer of action. Does that help or hinder the
:28:19. > :28:30.telling of a remarkable story? I think it really helps. We know
:28:31. > :28:35.they came from these very disparate positions and came to an agreement.
:28:36. > :28:40.We don't know how or why they did it. They may not even know how or
:28:41. > :28:44.why it happened. There was some kind of personal connection happen
:28:45. > :28:48.between these two people that help them. They somehow started to see
:28:49. > :28:53.each other on the human level that obviously helped them move forward
:28:54. > :28:59.in the political arena. We can only speculate as to how that happens and
:29:00. > :29:04.we very much... We are happy to admit that this is a speculation, a
:29:05. > :29:09.fiction. We have created what possibly could've been the way they
:29:10. > :29:14.came together. That is basically all we can do. We don't in any way claim
:29:15. > :29:25.it is a documentary or it is factually what happens. It is simply
:29:26. > :29:29.our homage to what happened. What might have happened. Exactly.
:29:30. > :29:33.Looking at some kids coming out of the show and this afternoon. What
:29:34. > :29:38.they were sent to the person interviewing them is that, I didn't
:29:39. > :29:43.know that's what happened. The reality is, it isn't what happened,
:29:44. > :29:47.if you're taking it from a purely factual point of view. What is the
:29:48. > :29:52.line between fact and fiction on a case like this? Take the basic
:29:53. > :29:56.premise of the movie being 90 minutes. This is 500 years of
:29:57. > :30:01.trouble and a massive amount of things that have happened. To
:30:02. > :30:08.truncate all of the aspects, you can do that, they recently did a
:30:09. > :30:12.six-hour documentary about OJ Simpson. That was a documentary.
:30:13. > :30:21.This is a theatrical concede that pays homage to elements of the
:30:22. > :30:27.truth. It is a very skilful vehicle of bringing, with an element of
:30:28. > :30:31.truth, a story together where these two intractable, implacable
:30:32. > :30:41.characters get the chance and truth to voice an opinion which tries to
:30:42. > :30:48.encapsulate this painful period of Irish history. We have to accept it
:30:49. > :30:55.as a movie, not a documentary. Michael Sheen reprise the role of
:30:56. > :31:01.three times as Tony Blair. Would you do these characters again? It has
:31:02. > :31:05.been speculated that which appeared on stage. The work is always on the
:31:06. > :31:10.page, it depends on the script. If it is great work, who knows? Will
:31:11. > :31:13.believe it open-ended like that. Thank you both. Good to see you.
:31:14. > :31:17.Let's hear now what our refreshed team in Commentators' Corner
:31:18. > :31:20.Back for the next six weeks are Deirdre Heenan
:31:21. > :31:32.Let's rewind to the top of the programme and talk about that Brexit
:31:33. > :31:36.negotiation. Stalking Irish nationalism, the view of Nigel
:31:37. > :31:41.Farage, is that a valid point or nonsense? We have to realise that
:31:42. > :31:45.European negotiations always this fraught. There is nothing
:31:46. > :31:50.particularly unusual about this. When you consider the five years
:31:51. > :31:56.that Britain negotiated its rebate, that quickly escalated to refusing
:31:57. > :32:00.to pay, boycotting the commission, the EU at one point said that the
:32:01. > :32:03.whole think could collapse if Mrs Thatcher wanted her billion pounds
:32:04. > :32:11.back. At the last minute it was suddenly fixed. When you look back
:32:12. > :32:16.about coverage you see that we are in as proper situation as we are in
:32:17. > :32:20.now. It is not an unusual situation and we shouldn't get paranoid about
:32:21. > :32:24.people trying to break a beach other's countries. It has been bad
:32:25. > :32:28.tempered so far and there is no reason to believe that things will
:32:29. > :32:35.get much easier. No, they will get easier. Will they get tougher? I do.
:32:36. > :32:41.It will be very fraught. It is interesting that Nigel Farage can
:32:42. > :32:46.talk about stoking nationalism for one's political ends when he has
:32:47. > :32:50.been stoking English nationalism to get his political end. I think
:32:51. > :32:56.people were genuinely surprised that Irish concerns are right up there.
:32:57. > :33:00.And they are. Right at the top of the agenda along side the right of
:33:01. > :33:05.EU citizens living in Britain. That is interesting. It hasn't been
:33:06. > :33:10.metric. The rhetoric so far is from Theresa May saying no return to the
:33:11. > :33:14.hard borders, but we have no idea what that means. The US saying that
:33:15. > :33:21.Northern Ireland isn't just a region of the UK, it is a place set apart.
:33:22. > :33:26.How did that find its way to the top of the agenda? It is not because of
:33:27. > :33:30.pressure applied by the nonexistent Northern Ireland executive, for
:33:31. > :33:34.example. It is entirely due to the Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, who talked
:33:35. > :33:42.about reunification under the German model. This has very clearly been an
:33:43. > :33:46.arrangement negotiated at national government level. I don't think it
:33:47. > :33:50.makes a vast difference, especially as we couldn't agree with each other
:33:51. > :33:54.anyway. It is interesting to hear the subject of special starter spot
:33:55. > :33:58.back into this debate. That could mean anything. There are so many
:33:59. > :34:03.precedents around being on the edge of Europe, it is a wide-open term.
:34:04. > :34:08.We should be able to find enough ambiguity and that to get an answer
:34:09. > :34:11.that unionist live with. Spectral special status means different
:34:12. > :34:19.things to different people. It can mean what you wanted to mean. You
:34:20. > :34:22.might say there is an incentive for one and European state to join
:34:23. > :34:28.another one, but that depends who you want to read it. It can mean
:34:29. > :34:32.anything. It is interesting that they have decided that this is a
:34:33. > :34:36.national priority and I think the Taoiseach has managed to get some
:34:37. > :34:42.leverage there. We need to talk about the election. Their headline
:34:43. > :34:46.news this week is John Finucane joining Sinn Fein and standing for
:34:47. > :34:52.the party in north Belfast. Would you surprised? Yes, that does
:34:53. > :34:58.surprise, it came out of the blue for most people. It is a move to
:34:59. > :35:03.attract the middle-class vote, which is the swing vote in the North
:35:04. > :35:11.Belfast constituency, around four John Finucane grew up. He said that
:35:12. > :35:15.he wants to reach out to unionists and Protestants. There is an
:35:16. > :35:18.opportunity for him to do that as a different kind of candidate. He
:35:19. > :35:25.hasn't had an opportunity to appear in the media yet. I would be
:35:26. > :35:30.interested personally in hearing his answers to questions about IRA
:35:31. > :35:37.commemoration is that of course much controversy this week, for example.
:35:38. > :35:42.Representing Northern Ireland on the big screen, we heard from our two
:35:43. > :35:44.guests, the main actors in The Journey. There have been good films
:35:45. > :35:50.bad films made about Northern Ireland. Most films avoid films
:35:51. > :35:55.about Northern Ireland like the plague, because it is trying to get
:35:56. > :35:59.the nuances in, the 500 years in 90 minutes. It tends to be cliched,
:36:00. > :36:05.simplistic and people tend to avoid them. Not easy to do. At least we
:36:06. > :36:06.are moving from Paramount -- paramilitaries to politics in the
:36:07. > :36:08.movies. That's it from The View
:36:09. > :36:10.for this week. Join me for Sunday Politics at
:36:11. > :36:13.11.35am here on BBC One when we'll hear from the Green Party,
:36:14. > :36:15.the TUV and People Before Profit. But before we go, Hilary Clinton
:36:16. > :36:18.blamed the Russians for meddling in her political fortunes,
:36:19. > :36:29.but could their next target be Can I just say, the election here is
:36:30. > :36:35.completely pointless. The Russians will hack it. They hacked the
:36:36. > :36:41.American elections. Vladimir Putin is in Moscow talking to the lads in
:36:42. > :36:54.the KGB, saying who do you fancy Forsyth dying? I like Jim Wells a
:36:55. > :36:59.lot. He is not running, but we have the same approach the gay marriage.
:37:00. > :37:02.What about East Antrim? I like Sammy Wilson, he has a pass, he looks like
:37:03. > :37:04.a Soviet worker from